[20:33] TAMMY RODGERS WESTERN NYS USA GREEN.FUZZER@GMAIL.COM [20:34] :) [20:34] Angie in W. Tennessee angieandrd@yahoo.com [20:34] CarolP Western Pennsylvania [20:34] st jean Nicole [20:35] Problem with my computer i must have touch a wrong bottom [20:35] I'M SORRY THE NOTES WERE EXTREMELY LATE [20:35] DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO CHECK THEM? [20:35] yes [20:35] yes [20:35] http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/12oct2005.html [20:36] I read them real fast since I found them right before joining the group [20:36] I HAD TO HAVE TECH SUPPORT PUT THEM UP FOR ME I EMAILED IT TO THEM SO IF YOU COULDN'T SEE THE FILE IT IS THERE [20:36] YOU KNOW ITS BAD WHEN TECH SUPPORT CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE PROBLEM EITHER. [20:36] HOW DID EVERYONE MAKE OUT WITH THE CH AND SCMR FROM LAST WEEK? [20:37] Nick Boston Bar, Canada, fuzzypeach293@hotmail.com [20:37] great! [20:37] I've got the needle down but am having problems with the shuttle [20:38] WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF YOU? [20:38] not to bad i try the needle tat i get it takes a lot of practice [20:38] idid a couple of chains [20:38] I can do it with the shuttle. [20:38] i did pretty good [20:39] OKAY CAROL YOU FIRST WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS? [20:39] i bought a very good book by barbara foster [20:39] Well Is there a right and wrong way to put the bobbin in? [20:40] and should it feed in a certain direction [20:40] I get some flips very easy and some need to be pulled so hard that my double stitches a so tight [20:41] I'M SURE THERE PROBABLY IS but YOU KNOW ME I TRY STUFF AND SEE WHICH I LIKE BEST [20:41] OKAY THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE YOU ARE NOT LETTING YOUR LEFT HAND RELAX ENOUGH [20:41] TO ALLOW THE FLIP TO HAPPEN [20:42] I use an Aero shuttle, and I like the thread to come out the bottom back side. [20:42] since we are on that subject; should the hooks be facing a certain direction, like toward you are away from you? [20:42] are there different size shuttles. This one seems so long. [20:43] iF I HAD SAID I WOULD HAVE WENT TOP BACKSIDE SO IT IS WHAT EACH PERSON LIKES [20:43] Mine is pointing with the hook down and facing to my right,' [20:43] I HAVE THE HOOK FACE WHERE EVER IT WON'T CATCH FOR ME AND MY STYLE ON THAT DAY. [20:44] thanks pat and tammy [20:44] I HAVE FM SO MY STYLE DOES CHANGE EACH TIME I TAT [20:44] AS THE WAY THE PAIN IN THE HANDS FEELS [20:44] i mess up my ds' [20:45] YES CAROL THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT SHUTTLES BUT THE AREO CAN BE FIXED SO THEY ARE SHORTER [20:45] I HAVE PICTURES AT ETATTERS.COM FORUM THAT SHOW THEM [20:45] NICK HOW SO? [20:46] All I could find was a susan bates but I will check the forum to see whats out there [20:46] Thanks for the info [20:46] NICOLE LIKE WITH MOST HOBBIES IT DOES TAKE PRACTICE BUT IT WILL GET EASIER. [20:47] BF'S BOOK HELPED ME ALONG TOO. [20:47] NICK MUST BE UNPICKING A NOT [20:47] ohi just mess up putting one and one (same) togehter [20:47] OOOPSSS [20:47] KNOT [20:47] Handy Hands and Snowgoose sell the Aeros. [20:48] sometimes but i just undo and redo [20:48] OH BUT IN A WHILE NICK THAT WON'T BE A MESS UP THAT IS ACTUALLY A DESIGN ELEMENT :-) [20:48] Also Lacy Susan sells them. [20:48] i'M HOPING EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ MY NOTES ON WHAT A PICOT IS. [20:48] DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? [20:49] yeah was even practising at worky :) [20:49] GREAT! [20:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Tatter [20:49] and didnt get in trouble either ;) [20:50] THATS EVEN BETTER [20:50] HOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU WERE YOU ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A PICOT IS AND HOW IT IS LEFT WITH A SPACE? [20:50] yes [20:50] yes [20:51] yuppers [20:51] One question. How do you judge the sizes of a picot? [20:51] GOOD!!! [20:51] i WAS HOPING FOR THAT ONE! [20:52] FOR ME I USUALLY COMPARE IT TO THE SIZE OF MY DS [20:52] I was playing with a butterfly and it had Small and Large plus regular [20:52] A NORMAL ONE FOR ME THE SPACE IS EQUAL TO 2.5 OR 3 DS [20:52] isnt there a ruler to buy? [20:53] YES NICK YOU CAN GET PICOT GAUGES BUT IF A PATTERN [20:53] DOESN'T TELL YOU TO USE A SET SIZE [20:53] FOR THAT PATTERN ONE HAS TO GUESS AT WHAT THE DESIGNER USES [20:53] SOME PEOPLE LIKE LARGER SOME SMALLER [20:54] if you had 3 sizes and the regular was 2.5 to 3 then the others would be ??? [20:54] MED LENGTH I USUALLY = 4 OR 4.5 [20:54] i just judged [20:55] LARGE = 5.5 OR 6 [20:55] NOW THAT IS me [20:55] Thanks that makes sense [20:55] EVERYONE USES A DIFFERENT WAY BUT I USE THIS BECAUSE [20:55] Some gals will even tatoo two dot on their finger to measure picots. [20:56] IF I COMPARE TO THE THREAD I AM USING THEN IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY [20:56] ADJUST TO THAT THREAD [20:56] A PICOT IN A SIZE 10 AND A PICOT IN A SIZE 50 ARE DIFFERENT SIZE [20:56] I was attach by ..... [20:57] EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BOTH = TO 3 DS [20:57] BUT THEY ARE RIGHT FOR THAT THREAD FOR THAT PROJECT [20:57] (test) [20:57] IN MY OPINION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? [20:58] sure, [20:58] perfect sense [20:58] NOW I DO KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIKE LARGER PICOTS WITH THE SMALLER THREAD [20:58] I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD THIS BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY LIKE [20:59] YOU MIGHT TOO [20:59] IT IS your LACE DO WHAT LOOKS RIGHT FOR YOU [20:59] THE ONLY TIME YOU MUST REALLY BE CONCERNED IS WHEN WE GET TO CONSTRUCTION PICOTS [21:00] Explain construction picots. [21:00] THOSE ARE USED TO JOIN OUR R TO R OR R TO CH AND SO ON [21:00] WHEN WE DO A JOIN WE WANT TO USE THE SIZE THE DESIGNER CALLS FOR [21:00] WHENEVER POSSIBLE [21:01] I usually call them "Joining picots" construction is new to me. [21:01] dNice to know another term for them. [21:01] SOMETIMES A CONSTRUCTION PICOT IS SO TINY THAT IT IS BARELY LARGE [21:02] ENOUGH TO MAKE A JOIN THROUGH. [21:02] GREAT CATCH PATSY! [21:02] YES JOINING PICOTS AND CONSTRUCTION PICOTS ARE THE SAME THINGS [21:02] THESE ARE THE PICOTS THAT ONE HAS TO KEEP IN A PATTERN [21:03] DECREATIVE PICOTS CAN ACTUALLY [21:03] BE COMPLETELY LEFT OUT OF A PIECE IF ONE WANTED TO. [21:03] I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TATTERS NAME BUT SHE USED A BOOKMARK PATTERN [21:04] AND MADE IT LONGER AND IN BLACK WITH NO PICOTS FOR HER MATES COWBOY HATBAND [21:04] IT GAVE IT A MORE MASCULINE LOOK THAT WAY [21:05] OOPS THAT SHOULD HAVE SAID DECREATIVE PICOTS. [21:05] sO IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE HAS THE PICOT IDEA DOWN. [21:06] yuppers i do ;) [21:06] SO NOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO OVER THE DOVE PATTERN OR DO SOME QUESTIONS ITS UP TO YOU. [21:07] Tammy where do I look for the dove pattern [21:07] HTTP://WWW.FRONTIERNET.NET/~TAMMYRODGERS/BIRDY.HTML [21:07] thanks [21:07] YOUR WELCOME [21:08] Go for the dove. [21:08] OKAY [21:08] THIS IS A NICE LITTLE DOVE THAT JOANN STEARNS LET ME POST ON MY SITE MANY YEARS AGO [21:10] OOPS i FORGOT TO ASK DID EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THE CTM? [21:11] yes [21:11] IF NOT YELL AND I WILL RUN THROUGH THAT [21:11] OKAY SO OUR DOVE WE START WITH OUR BDY RING [21:12] 3 DS AND A LONG PICOT WE CAN TELL THIS BY [21:12] ? [21:12] the - [21:12] RIGHT [21:13] THEN WE DO 1 DS AN MED PICOT AGAIN [21:13] IT IS THE HYPEN THAT SHOWS US THIS [21:13] -- [21:14] 1 DS AGAIN AND A REGULAR PICOT - [21:14] NOW WE DO THE 7 DS AND THEN WE WILL START THE TAIL [21:15] -1--1---1--1- [21:16] REG P, 1DS, MED P, 1DS, LONG P, 1DS, MED P, 1 DS [21:16] Tammy, the web url say site can't be found. [21:16] REG DS AND THEN THE 7 THAT GOES UP THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BODY [21:16] WELL THATS ODD. JS [21:17] Can't get the pattern . [21:17] http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/birdy.html [21:17] i JUST WENT TO IT [21:18] HOPEFULLY IT WILL LET YOU IN NOW i DON'T KNOW WHY [21:18] IT WAS BEING NAUGHTY [21:18] OKAY SO WE ARE NOW AT THE SECOND WING [21:19] REG P, 1DS, MED P, 1DS, LONG P, 3DS [21:19] AND NOW YOU WILL CLOSE YOUR SCMR [21:19] REMEMBER THIS IS A SCMR not A CHAIN [21:20] Got it now. [21:20] GOOD. [21:20] NOW WE DO THE HEAD [21:21] AGAIN THIS IS A SCMR [21:21] 7DS, REG P, 7DS [21:21] AND YOUU WILL NOW CLOSE YOUR scmr [21:23] YOUR HEAD AND YOUR BODY ARE KIND OF FLOPPING AROUND [21:23] THE WAY i NORMALLY DO THIS IS I TAKE THE THREAD OFF THE SHUTTLE OR OUT OF THE NEEDLE [21:24] ASSUMING THAT THE SHUTTLE ONLY HAD 24 TO 36" ON IT [21:25] NOW i TAKE A SEWING NEEDLE AND THREAD THAT WITH THE THREAD FROM THE SHUTTLE AND GO DOWN THROUGH THE DS NEXT TO THE [21:25] THREAD THAT IS CONNECTING THE HEAD AND BODY ALL READY [21:26] NOW i CAN TAKE AND TIE THAT THREAD AND THE BALL THREAD TOGETHER AND THEN TRIM SHORT [21:26] DEBENDING HOW YOUR DS ARE THE NEEDLE TATTER MIGHT HAVE BEEN ABLE [21:27] TO USE THE TATTING NEEDLE TO GO DOWN THROUGH THE DS AND NOT SWITCH TO A HAND SEWING NEEDLE. [21:27] OKAY NOW THAT i HAVE GOTTEN EVERYONE LOST GIVE ME YOUR QUESTIONS. [21:29] none here [21:29] tammy at the top of the pattern it states - shuttle only, what does that mean [21:30] THAT IS FOR THOSE THAT ARE DOING TRUE RINGS I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT ? TOO [21:30] can this pattern be made with only one shuttle? [21:30] YES I LEFT A COUPLE THINGS OUT TO SEE IF ?s WOULD BE ASKED [21:30] YES WHEN WE LEARN TRUE RINGS IN CAN BE MADE WITH ONE SHUTTLE OR NEEDLE ONLY [21:31] EITHER WAY NO BALL THREAD [21:31] WHEN WE LEARN THAT WE WILL DO THIS PATTERN AGAIN [21:31] SO EVERYONE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE RING AND THE scmr [21:32] great [21:32] It's been very informative, but, got to go. good night all. [21:32] nite pat [21:32] GOOD NIGHT PATSY [21:33] nite pat [21:33] nite Pat [21:33] I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IF ANYONE MAKES THE DOVE AND GIVES ANY AWAY [21:33] TO PLEASE SAVE ONE THAT YOU MAKE WITH THE SCMR [21:33] SO THAT YOU WILL HAVE IT TO COMPARE WHEN WE DO THE TRUE RING [21:34] Will do [21:34] okokok [21:34] ok [21:34] ok so just to be clear, you use one shuttle for the true ring and 2 shuttles or 1 shuttle and ball thread for the scmr [21:35] THESE LITTLE BIRDS AND SOME OTHER LITTLE THINGS I WANT TO GIVE YOU AS PATTERNS [21:35] ARE NICE TO HAVE AS LITTLE QUICK PATTERNS TO HAVE TO GIVE OUT TO LITTLE ONES WHEN OUT IN PUBLIC [21:35] CORRECT ANGIE [21:35] thanks [21:35] OR ONE NEEDLE [21:36] YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE NEEDLE TATTING TRUE RING AND SCMR IF YOU GO TO MY SITE [21:36] THERE ARE DIAGRAMS THERE [21:37] so you only have to use one needle - period...is that right? [21:37] YES [21:37] FOR THAT LITTLE BIRD [21:38] AND EVEN SOME BUTTERFLIES [21:39] ok, i think i got it now [21:39] LOL NOW THAT WE HAVE ANGIE READY TO CLIMB THROUGH THE SCREEN [21:39] lol [21:39] TO HAVE ME TELL HER HOW TO DO THIS ALL TONIGHT IS THERE ANY MORE /s [21:39] ?S [21:40] i'M SO GLAD IT SEEMS LIKE I HAVE FRIENDS THAT REALLY WANT TO LEARN TO TAT [21:40] not here [21:40] I appreciate everything you are doing for all of us [21:40] roflol [21:40] me [21:40] me too [21:40] to 'any more ?s'" [21:41] NICK YOU HAVE NO ?S [21:41] OH OKAY [21:41] HEHEHE [21:41] NICK YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH I'M GLAD YOUR COMMENT AND MINE CAME IN THE ORDER THEY DID. i NEEDED [21:41] THAT LAUGH [21:41] DIDN'T I ANGIE [21:42] that is so RIGHT [21:42] Gotta go. Goodnight all. :) [21:42] Thanks, Tammy. [21:42] so do we need to have a birdie done by next week [21:42] Nite [21:42] GOOD NIGHT KATE [21:42] eeep!! really!! [21:42] nite kate and carol [21:42] NIGHT CAROL [21:43] i tried to do one tonight but got tangled up..lol...so i'll practice this week [21:43] IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU COULD DO A BIRD FOR NEXT WEEK BUT THAT IS UP TO YOU I WON'T TELL IF YOU DON'T [21:43] okokok [21:43] I GUESS THIS IS GOOD NIGHT. SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. [21:43] byebyebyebye all!!! see you next week!!!! [21:43] nite fuzzle [21:43] thank you TAMMY!!! ;) [21:44] ANY TIME Session Close: Wed Oct 12 21:44:11 2005