[20:35] TAMMY RODGERS WESTERN NYS USA GREEN.FUZZER@GMAIL.COM [20:35] anita, ahobden@hotmail.com, ontario canada [20:35] NancyR, Victoria BC Canada nmr.01@telus.net [20:35] Nick From Boston Bar BC Canada fuzzypeach293@hotmail.com [20:35] Angie in West Tennessee, USA angieandrd@yahoo.com [20:35] CarolPA western Pennsylvania jlauffer@adelphia.net [20:35] nicole st jean montreal quebec [20:36] patricia south alabama nelsonwr_f@direcway.com [20:36] I THOUGHT WE WOULD START WITH A FEW MINUTES ON THE SHUTTLE [20:36] :) [20:37] WE HAVE ANGIE, NICK AND WHO ELSE IS TRYING THE SHUTTLE? [20:37] i do both [20:38] me, said quietly [20:38] WHY QUIETLY CAROL? [20:38] lol [20:38] <<<< holding up carols hand lol [20:38] know the shuttle but know nothing about needle tat [20:39] OKAY SHUTTLE TATTERS i HOPE YOU HAVE TWO COLORS OF THREAD [20:39] yuppers [20:39] ONE COLOR ON A SHUTTLE AND ONE ON A BALL OR A SECOND SHUTTLE [20:39] patricia asked what is needed for class before you arrived [20:40] PATRICIA DIDN'T YOU GET THE NOTE i SENT OUT? [20:40] needle is what I am working at, no I didn't recieve the note. [20:41] DID ANYONE UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE THE DOUBLE STITCH FOR SHUTTLE FROM ANY OF THE SITES i SUGGESTED? [20:41] I did not received any e mail from you tammy, need by e mail adress [20:41] yup i did!! [20:41] I did-- somewhat [20:41] OKAY PATRICIA I WILL MKAE SURE YOU DO YOU TO NICOLE I WILL PULL YOUR ADDIES FROM THE LOG [20:41] GOOD [20:42] yes [20:42] yes [20:42] NOW TAKE THE TWO COLORS THREAD AND TIE THEM TOGETHER WITH A BIG OLD UGLY KNOT AT THE END [20:43] NOW USE THAT BUK= BIG UGLY KNOT AS YOUR PINCH POINT [20:43] AND WRAP THE BALL THREAD UP OVER YOUR NON-DOMINATE HAND (LEFT) [20:44] hi kate [20:44] Hello all! [20:44] hi kate :) [20:44] NOW TO MAKE THE KNOT YOU WILL [20:44] sign in [20:44] PASS THE SHUTTLE UNDER THE BALL THREAD [20:45] THEN BACK OVER AND THROUGH THE LOOP OVER THE BACK OF YOUR RIGHT HAND [20:45] Kate Huttar, Dallas, Texas, USA katelingo@huttar.net [20:45] NOW PULL THE EXCESS THREAD UP WITH YOUR SHUTTLE HAND [20:45] AND SLIGHTLY LOOSEN THE TENSION ON THE BALL THREAD. [20:46] WHEN YOU DID THIS YOU SHOULD SEE THAT THE FIRST HALF OF THE DS HAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE THREAD COLOR [20:46] OF YOUR SHUTTLE [20:46] TO THE THREAD COLOR OF YOUR BALL [20:46] IF IT DIDN'T YOUR DS DID NOT FLIP [20:47] i AM GOING TO GO ON TO THE SECOND HALF OF THE DS [20:47] ? [20:47] YES NANCY [20:48] thought you might ask "questions?" [20:48] i'M HOPING THAT THEY ARE READING RIGHT NOW AND HOLDING HANDS IN PLACE BECAUSE IT FLIPPED [20:48] okok [20:48] :-) [20:48] < will shut up [20:48] NOW START THE SECOND HALF OF THE STITCH [20:49] BY PASSING THE SHUTTLE OVER THE BALL THREAD. [20:49] AND THEN UNDER [20:49] AS YOU PULL UP THE EXCESS THREAD, [20:50] THE KNOT WILL AGAIN "JUMP" TO THE BALL THREAD. ONCE AGAIN THE KNOT TRANSFER [20:50] YOU HAVE COMPLETED A STITCH OF CHAINING [20:50] IF THAT HAS ALL HAPPENED THAN YOU HAVE DONE THE WHOLE DOUBLE STITCH!!!! [20:50] hOW DID WE DO? QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? [20:51] they still playing [20:51] :) [20:51] did ok!! [20:51] i THINK SO. [20:51] I've managed to complete 5 [20:51] GREAT NICK [20:51] i kinda messed it up though [20:51] go fuzzle and carol!!! [20:51] fANTASTIC CAROL [20:52] NICK WE ALL DO THAT IS AWAY OF LIFE [20:52] HOW DID YOU MESS UP LET US HELP [20:52] that is the way of my kitchen [20:52] messed up [20:52] always forget which way i started [20:52] lol mine to [20:52] or at least when i cook [20:53] you cook? [20:53] kids are used to my setting off the smoke detector :( [20:53] i CHEAT DH COOKS KIDS CLEAN UP :-) [20:53] ok i got mine now [20:53] GREAT ANGIE [20:54] go angie go! [20:54] i cook..... not good but i cook lmao [20:54] NOW IF WE MAKE A NUMBER OF DS LIKE CAROL DID [20:54] AND DECIDED WE WANT A RING WE CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH JUST A LITTLE MODIFICATION [20:54] fuzzle keep trying [20:54] AND END UP WITH A SCMR [20:55] THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE LET THAT SHUTTLE THREAD [20:55] DIP DOWN AND SNAG ON OUR PINKIE FINGER OF OUR NON-DOMINATE (LEFT) HAND [20:56] AND THEN WE GO AND CONTINUE TO MAKE DS JUST AS WE HAVE BEEN [20:56] AND WE IGNORE THAT LOOP OF SHUTTLE THREAD CAUGHT AROUND OUR PINKIE [20:57] SO mAYBE WE WANT TO HAVE 8 DS IN OR RING SO THAT IS HOW MANY DS WE MAKE [20:57] NOW TO MAKE THIS INTO A SCMR WE LET THAT LOOP OFF OUR PINKIE FINGER [20:57] AND SLIDE OUR SHUTTLE THROUGH IT [20:57] LOOKS LIKE A MESS DOESN'T IT [20:58] WELL IF WE SLIDE OUR LEFT FINGERS UP SO THEY CAN KIND OF HOLD THOSE DS [20:58] AND WE GENTLY START PULLING ON THAT SHUTTLE WE WILL SEE THAT THE LOOP [20:58] STARTS TO DISAPEAR [20:59] AND WHEN IT IS GONE THE CHAIN WILL START TO ARCH [20:59] AND THEN IT CURVES MORE AND BOOM IT IS A RING [20:59] ok this is the first time i did this with 2 colors.... are you supposed to see the shuttle thread a bit at the base of the ring? [20:59] hi tatter :) [20:59] Wow, Tammy, you make it sound so simple. [21:00] YES ANITA i'M AFFRAID YOU WILL BUT WITH 2 COLORS IT IS EASIER TO LEARN [21:00] I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT KATE [21:00] ok then i am doing it right lol [21:00] had me wondering for a sec [21:00] YEAH!! done three DS!! [21:00] SHHH DON'T TELL BUT MOST PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU TO TIE A NOT WITH YOU SHUTTLE THRED AND BALL THREAD [21:01] good job! [21:01] AT THE BASE OF THE SCMR [21:01] YEAH NICKIE!! [21:01] BUT I ALWAYS FOR GET THAT OVERHAND KNOT SO YOU PLAY AND DECIDE WHAT YOU LIKE [21:01] never did that when i did them in patterns.... why would you? [21:02] THEY SAY IT HOLD IT IN PLACE BETTER. [21:02] ok.... never had a prob with that myself anyway [21:02] OKAY SHUTTLE TATTERS PLAY WITH YOUR SHUTTLES AND THREAD A WHILE [21:02] I'M GOING TO PLAY WITH THE NEEDLE TATTERS [21:03] ready [21:03] GREAT! [21:03] tatter, do you know how to set your name? [21:03] there is a white box in the lower right corner.. type name in there and hit enter [21:03] NICOLE WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR SUPPLIES SINCE YOU DIDN'T GET MY NOTE? [21:04] no, I don't [21:04] thanks [21:04] knitting needle [21:05] hi cathy :) [21:05] OKAY WELL WE CAN LEARN THE STEPS TO FORM THE DS ON A KNITTING NEEDLE BUT [21:05] Hi Nancy [21:05] AS FAR AS PULLING IT OFF ON TO THREAD WE WON'T BE ABLE TO [21:05] BUT THAT IS OKAY BECAUSE THAT IS THE EASY PART PULLING IT OFF :-) [21:06] IT JUST DAWNED ON ME i SHOULD HAVE HAD YOU CHECKING THE SITE WHILE i WAS [21:06] HELPING THE SHUTTLERS I DON'T KNOW WHERE MY HEAD WAS. [21:07] head was busy [21:07] np lol [21:07] lol [21:07] http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/ndl_knot.html [21:07] IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT YOU WILL SEE A MOVIE OF THE [21:07] NEEDLE KNOT BEING MADE [21:07] i will [21:07] AND THEN WE CAN WALK THROUGH IT [21:08] CATHY ARE YOU HERE FOR NEEDLE OR SHUTTLE OR BOTH? [21:09] Hi, Here for needle tatting [21:09] Tammy I dont mind if I am the only on with the needle tat to wait till next course [21:09] NO THAT IS OKAY CATHY DID YOU GET THE CLASS NOTES [21:09] I'm a shuttle tatter, but am here for the needle tatting info! [21:10] IF NOT PLEASE PUT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS DOWN SO I CAN BE SURE TO INCLUDE YOU FOR THE NEXT TIME [21:10] I want to learn both. [21:10] yes, I didn't get a chance to check out the site yet [21:11] I want to learn both also [21:11] OKAY WE ARE GOING TO START THE NEEDLE THE SAME AS THE SHUTTLE WITH A BIG UGLY KNOT [21:11] BETWEEN TWO COLORS OF THREAD [21:11] THE FIRST PIECE OF THREAD IS ABOUT A YARD LONG AND IS GOING THROUGH THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE [21:12] THE SECOND THREAD IS HOOKED TO A BALL OF THREAD [21:13] WE ARE USING THIS BIG UGLY KNOT SO WE GET USE TO MAKING OUR KNOTS CLOSE [21:13] TO THE ITEM BEFORE IT [21:13] hi TatPat :) [21:13] OR SHOULD i SAY THE ELEMENT [21:13] hi pat [21:14] Hi, Sorry I'm Late, forgot about the day change. [21:14] SO HOLD THAT BIG UGLY KNOT ABOUT 2 - 3" FROMTHE END OF THE NEEDLE [21:14] IN YOUR RIGHT HAND [21:15] oooohhhhh just noticed something..... if you pass your shuttle DOWN when closing the SCMR you dont see hardly any of the shuttle thread! [21:15] hmmmm exparamenting is good for something.... even if my spelling isnt lol [21:15] SPELLING NEVER COUNTS IN CLASS [21:15] LOL [21:16] lol good thing for me [21:16] THIS IS THE WAY I MAKE THE NEEDLE-TATTING KNOT. [21:16] wb patricia [21:16] IF YOU LOOKED CLOSELY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MOVIE [21:16] YOU SEE THAT I HAVE WRAPPED THE THREAD AROUND MY [21:16] NON-DOMINANT RING FINGER ONE TIME [21:16] AS A PAST CROCHETER THIS HELPS ME WITH MY TENSION. [21:17] SOME PEOPLE DO NOT DO THIS WRAP SOME DO MORE THEN JUST ONE WRAP. [21:17] PLAY WITH THIS AND SEE WHAT IS MOST COMFORTABLE TO YOU. [21:17] TO MAKE THE FIRST HALF OF THE KNOT YOU WILL SEE [21:17] THAT I BRING MY NON-DOMINANT INDEX FINGER FROM [21:17] THE BACKSIDE OF THE THREAD CATCHING IT SO THAT [21:17] IT LOOPS AROUND MY FINGER THIS ALLOWS THE THREAD [21:18] TO CROSS OVER ITSELF. I THEN SLIDE THE NEEDLE [21:18] UNDER THE LOOP FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP [21:18] ON THE PALM SIDE OF MY FINGER. [21:18] (NOTE THAT THIS IS TO THE NON-DOMINANT SIDE OF THE THREADS CROSSING OVER.) [21:18] AS I SLIDE THE LOOP ON THE NEEDLE, [21:18] I SLIDE IT OFF MY FINGER IN ONE MOTION. IT SOUNDS HARDER THEN IT IS. [21:19] HOPEFULLY FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE THIS WILL [21:19] MAKE MORE SENSE TO YOU THEN. i'M AFRAID THAT IT MIGHT NOT RIGHT NOW [21:19] FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE KNOT [21:20] I BRING MY NON-DOMINANT INDEX FINGER [21:22] HMMM THAT WAS RUDE NOW WASN'T IT [21:22] tammy is now a ghost? [21:22] FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK CATCHING THE THREAD [21:22] i'M I SHOWING UP AT ALL? [21:25] wb [21:26] wb :) [21:26] wb [21:26] i think I'M HERE [21:26] wb!! [21:26] ERRRR AND I'M ON DSL!!!!!!! [21:26] Glad you're back. [21:26] dsl isn't perfect either [21:26] DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I LEFT OFF? [21:27] from the front to the back catching the thread [21:27] I NOW BEND MY FINGER DOWN SO THAT [21:27] THE TIP OF MY FINGER IS TOWARD MY PALM [21:27] AND I CAN SEE THE BACKSIDE OF MY FINGER. [21:27] I SLIDE THE NEEDLE UNDER THE LOOP [21:27] FROM THE TOP DOWN ON THE BACKSIDE OF MY FINGER. [21:28] AGAIN, I AM TAKING THE LOOP OFF MY FINGER [21:28] AT THE SAME TIME IT IS GOING ON TO THE NEEDLE. [21:28] AGAIN THIS SOUNDS HARDER THEN IT IS. [21:28] NOW IF THAT IS ALL DONE A WHOLE DS [21:29] HAS BEEN MADE AND IS STILL ON THE NEEDLE WHERE WE WANT IT [21:29] WE WOULD DO AS MANY DS AS IS NEEDED FOR THE CHAIN SLIDING EACH UP TIGHT TO THE ONE BEFORE IT [21:30] ONCE ALL ARE ON THE NEEDLE WE WILL SLIDE THEM OFF THE NEEDLE BY HOLDING ON THE DS WITH [21:30] OUR FINGERS OF ONE HAND WHILE GENTLY PULLING THEN NEEDLE THROUGH WITH THE OTHER HAND [21:31] REMEMBER EVERYONE ALL CHAINS DO HAVE A CURVE TO THEM UNLESS WE INTENTIONALLY [21:31] WANT TO LEAVE THEM LOOSE TO BE STRAIGHTER TO BE CORRECT THE DO CURVE [21:31] NOW FOR THE SCMR WE WOULD DO THE EXACT SAME THING [21:31] EXCEPT [21:32] INSTEAD OF HOLDING A BIG UGLY KNOT AGAINST THE NEEDLE TO START WITH [21:32] WE ARE HOLDING IN THIS CASE THE CHAIN WE JUST FINISHED [21:32] TIGHT AGAINS THE NEEDLE [21:33] OUR FIRST DS WILL PULL UP TO THAT AS CLOSE AS WE CAN [21:33] CONTINUE MAKING ALL THE DS WE WANT FOR OUR SCMR AGAIN LETS DO 8 [21:33] NOW WITH NEEDLE YOU HAVE NOTICED I'M SURE [21:34] THAT I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WRAPING ANY THREAD LOOP AROUND THE PINKIT [21:34] THAT IS BECAUSE AS YOU SLIDE THE DS OFF THE NEEDLE AND THE THREAD STARTS TO GO THROUGH [21:34] THE DS YOU WILL SEE A LOOP FORMING ALL ON ITS OWN [21:34] SLIDE THE NEEDLE THROUGH THE LOOP [21:35] AND GENTLY CONTINUE TO PULL THE THREAD THOUGH THE STITCHES [21:35] AND JUST LIKE WITH THE SHUTTLE TATTERS YOU WILL SEE THE LOOP GROWING SMALLER [21:36] AND THE CHAIN CURVING AND CLOSING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN BOOM ITS A SCMR [21:36] QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? [21:37] NO NANCY I WON'T TELL YOU THE WORDS I SAID WHEN I WAS KNOCKED OFF LINE [21:37] Do you knot the thread at the end of the chain and SCMR? [21:37] :) [21:38] FOR SOME REASON IT IS STRONGLY SUGGESTED THAT AT THE END OF THE SCMR AN OVERHAND KNOT BE MADE [21:38] (before starting the next chain or whatever) [21:38] AGAIN I NORMALLY DON'T DO IT [21:38] ok, I guess you did already say that. [21:38] :) [21:38] I ONLY DO IT IF I NEED TO FOR POSITIONING MY THREADS FOR THE NEXT ELEMENT [21:39] I just did it without and seemed to be fine. :) [21:39] am hoping fuzzle is tatting and not thrown off the net [21:39] breathe buddy.. breathe! [21:39] lol [21:39] I also have a question about thread and needle size. [21:39] But I can ask later, if that would be better. [21:39] NO ASK NOW [21:40] oohhh i working really hard!! [21:40] whew! [21:40] was worried [21:40] Well, I have just started needle tatting and am using the needle and thread size as recommended, [21:40] tammy is there a trick to closing a ring when you work with thread with a metalic filiment in it? [21:40] but the finished product looks really clunky or chunky or loose. [21:41] How do you know what size needle to use, or am I just doing something wrong? [21:41] KATE WHAT I DO IS USE THE NEEDLE AS CLOSE TO THE THREAD SIZE AS I CAN [21:41] YOU AREN'T SUPPOSE TO USE A NEEDLE SMALLER THAN THE SIZE OF THE THREAD OR YOU CAN SNAP THE EYE [21:42] OF THE NEEDLE WHEN YOU PULL IT THROUGH BUT THIS IS THE ONE DRAW BACK OF NEEDLE TATTING [21:42] IF YOU DON'T GET A REALLY GOOD MATCH YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE A LOOSENESS THERE [21:43] ok, that helps. [21:43] ANITA I LOVE THE LOOK OF METALIC FILIMENT BUT THE ONLY THING I KNOW OF IS TO TAT LOOSER AND OR [21:43] USE A THREAD CONDITIONER ON IT SUCH AS THREAD HEAVEN [21:44] that is one reason I was determined to learn shuttle tatting.. puffy ring syndrome [21:44] IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE THRED IN ANY WAY BUT IT DOES ALLOW IT TO SLIDE [21:44] never heard of a thread conditioner [21:44] Good night folks, I'll try harder to get my days straight next week. [21:44] hmmmmm will have to see if i can find that otherwise i am assuming i can get it online? [21:44] QUILTERS US IT A LOT YOU WOULD FIND IT IN THE NOTIONS SECTION IN A PLACE LIKE JOANNS [21:44] night pat [21:45] SHOULD BE ABLE TOO [21:45] NIGHT PAT [21:45] i use bees wax for my quilting.... is it the same type of thing or is it a liquid? [21:46] ITS EVEN BETTER THAN BEES WAX BUT IT IS A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE [21:46] NO IT ISN'T A LIQUID IT COMES IN A TINY BLUE PLASTIC BOX [21:47] Bye everyone. Time to wash dishes. :) [21:47] cool.... will have to look for that tomorow [21:47] I SWORE BY THE BEES WAX FOR YEARS. [21:47] bye kate [21:47] BYE KATE [21:47] gnite kate [21:47] WELL WITH ME GETTING KICKED OFF WE WENT LATE WHICH I DON'T MIND AT ALL. [21:48] IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN HELP WITH BEFORE WE CALL IT A NIGHT? [21:48] this was cool.... thank you so much for the class tammy it was great! [21:48] i should go too..... hubby just gove home [21:48] night all [21:48] nothing yet!! [21:48] fuzzle has ordered the tatter's bible :) isn't that great? [21:48] I'M GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT. I LIKE TO GIVE BACK WHAT GEORGIA AND SO MANY GAVE TO ME. [21:48] Thank you Tammy...I'll be working on the SCMR this week [21:48] thanks Tammy i will look at the movie and do a lot of practice lol lol [21:49] OKAY PLAN ON A COUPLE OF PATTERNS FOR NEXT WEEK [21:49] Thank You Tammy!! see you next week!! [21:49] NIGHT FRIENDS [21:49] good night all have a nice week [21:49] class was great nite [21:49] gnite all :) Session Close: Wed Oct 05 21:49:34 2005