The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Visible contents as of 12 Dec 2011 20:36 UTC-06:00 (125 KB) Page 1 of 3 - From 0 to 51276 - Newest posts at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER cleared the room 2 days ago Cynthia joined the chat 7 hours ago Cynthia: Hmmmm I seem to be early...LOL I'll be back in a bit GinaS joined the chat 7 hours ago GinaS joined the chat 7 hours ago GinaS: hi cynthia dagmar joined the chat 7 hours ago dagmar: hi girls GinaS: hi dagmar dagmar: back in 20 minutes Char joined the chat 7 hours ago GinaS: hi char Char: Hi GinaS GinaS: oh just Gina :) GinaS: I put the S on because there are a couple of other Gina's Char: OK, I'm so new to this computer classroom stuff AKTATTER joined the chat 7 hours ago GinaS: oh its all very casual AKTATTER: Hello all GinaS: hi georgia Char: Hi Georgia Chari joined the chat 7 hours ago Chari: Hi All! What's on the menu for Tatting today? GinaS: hi chari AKTATTER: just sent the invite around so maybe some others will join us. It is a busy day today for shopped and shipper alike Chari: That's good for business!!! Cynthia joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk1repfig74pg33reprintpg75.pdf http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk2fig50pg29reprintpg117.pdf Cynthia: Wow I load the dishwasher and everyone shows up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AKTATTER: http://www.enfys.me.uk/crotat-history-tutorial.htm AKTATTER: and we have a free book today http://www.4shared.com/document/6HeRMah7/How_to_Crotat.html Cynthia: Hi Gina, Dagmar, Char, Chari and of course Georgia! GinaS: georgia, do you know what book or pattern this lattice work comes from? http://tatsakoolchallenge.blogspot.com/2009/02/heart-no-9.html Chari: Hi Cynthia! How's things in OK? I'll be coming through your territory on Jan 5th. Going to the Cotton Bowl!!! AKTATTER: Char did you figure out how to find the lessons? AKTATTER: the lesson log for Dec. 12 of course will not be posted until after the last class today Cynthia: ooohhh that sounds fun...silly question where is the cotton bowl played...I'm a hockey fan...and I know the Cotton Bowl is Football AKTATTER: No I don't recognize it specifically alothough Mark Myers has used it several times and it has been in vintage patterns too but it is so generic hard to say rings are all 1 -1 - 1- 1 mp I suspect Cynthia: Hi Sue aka SK... Chari: This year it has been moved to the NEW Cowboy Stadium in Arlington...between Dallas and Ft.Worth! This will be my 8th Bowl game following the K-State Wildcats! skfuller joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: say, we must be thinking about a superbowl sunday pattern too, I don't know if waly will be well enough to do one for us skfuller: Hi Cyn , Georgia, Gina, Dagmar, and Chari AKTATTER: Dec. 12, 2011 afternoon session Chari: You mean this group tats during the SuperBowl? AKTATTER: is there a question for the q& A session? skfuller: Opps missed you Char - Hi Cynthia: of course we tat during the SuperBowl... picotsnkeys joined the chat 6 hours ago picotsnkeys: Hi Sue, Cynthia, Chari, AK, Char, Dagmar, and Gina! picotsnkeys: whew! dusamae joined the chat 6 hours ago dusamae: Hi all luvtatat joined the chat 6 hours ago luvtatat: hello all! GinaS: hi sk, melanie, dusamae, luvtatat Cynthia: If Wally isn't up to it we will have to get our act together and do one for her for a change...LOL Cynthia: Hi Mel AKTATTER: yes it is her birthday too Char: Hi all Winkerbill joined the chat 6 hours ago luvtatat: k Winkerbill: hi everyone! luvtatat: hi AKTATTER: welcome everyone skfuller: Wally's birthday on Superbowl day skfuller: ? GinaS: hi stephanie :) skfuller: ??????? AKTATTER: usually or close to it Winkerbill: hi Gina GinaS: good to see you picotsnkeys: wow, I pause to read what came first and everyone comes in Winkerbill: when is Superbowl day? Winkerbill: (tells you how 'addicted' to sports I am, I guess..." ;-) Charlene joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: Feb 5 2012 Charlene: Hello, All Charlene: Sorry I am late! Cynthia: I had to look it up... GinaS: hi charlene Cynthia: The only question I have about tatting is how to do the latice that Gina was referring to earlier...I know I can figure it out...just being lazy or inquisitive.... Charlene: Hi, Gina~ AKTATTER: Feb. 5 2012 Winkerbill: Gina that lattice work came from Martha Ess' 'Tat's Amore' book. Looked hard, so I haven't tried it yet. AKTATTER: ok the hard part idm aking the picots all the samesize AKTATTER: row 1 ring 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 clim b out mock picot Charlene: Use a picot gauge dagmar: hi to all AKTATTER: it must be precise length as the other picots Cynthia: okay that makes more sense than the way I was figuring...don't ask it was a bad way so I didn't try it... GinaS: hi dagmar AKTATTER: split ring 1 - 1 / 1 - 1 climb out mock picot picotsnkeys: pay attention to closing the rings correctly along with using a picot gauge AKTATTER: at the endof row luvtatat: k Cynthia: Hi Bernice/RVer AKTATTER: split ring 1 - / 1 - 1 - 1 climb out AKTATTER: got it?? Cynthia: that makes way more sense to me now probably having what my kids call "old gray brain"... AKTATTER: it is fast to do GinaS: thank you georgia! AKTATTER: did everyone print off the free book? http://www.4shared.com/document/6HeRMah7/How_to_Crotat.html Cynthia: I had an idea for a table topper.... Cynthia: sure did it is great...I'd heard of cro tat but didn't give it a try as not sure how to make it work...a different hook to start with! LOL Mary_ND joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: Hi Mary Mary_ND: Sorry, I'm late - Mary Baumler, mbaumler@gmail.com, Fargo ND Winkerbill: Somewhere I have a complete set of crotat hooks for thread.....tried several times but had an awful time trying to pull the hook back through the wrapped stitches. Probably wrapped them way too tightly.' Judy joined the chat 6 hours ago RVer joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: so I'm not the only one...LOL Wink that was the problem with the regular crochet hook Char: k RVer: Hey y'all. Winkerbill: the cro tat hooks are straight - sort of like a tatting needle. dagmar: k AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/crotat.html Cynthia: I could not get the hook back thru....I see that now as I have a pic.... Winkerbill: and sometimes I have a little trouble getting the wrapped stuff off of the tatting needle, too. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/crotat2.html Charlene: Charlene Richardson, charle1948@comcast.net, Lancaster, PA luvtatat: Jean Krieger, luvtatat@yahoo.com, Youngstown, NY GinaS: oh is it sign in time? GinaS: Gina Shillitani gshillitani@yahoo.com Tampa, FL USA shuGina Shillitani gshillitani@yahoo.com Tampa, FL USA shuttle Charlene: Oh, I'm shuttle AKTATTER: the crotat hook is also called a bullion hook and the diameter of the shank remains the same from end to hook luvtatat: I'm shuttle too GinaS: that's weird, thsat' the second time that has done that to me GinaS: Gina Shillitani gshillitani@yahoo.com Tampa, FL USA shuGina Shillitani gshillitani@yahoo.com Tampa, FL USA shuttle AKTATTER: only Lacis still sells them in USA that I know of Annie's Attice used to and they used tohaev book but very little anymore GinaS: Gina Shillitani gshillitani@yahoo.com Tampa, FL USA shuttle Charlene: LOL It's two-timing you, Gina! dusamae: Cathy Morgan, dusamae@yahoo.com, Englewood, TN USA GinaS: see that last time it didn't do it GinaS: chatzy has issues picotsnkeys: I found my crotat hook at the Lace Museum in Sunnyvale....but I doubt they restocked AKTATTER: if you know a tatter whomight like to be here and may have forgotten the time please use the invite button on the left to send them anin vitation to join us Winkerbill: I bought mine when a store was trying to get rid of the set. Got 3 'thread' hooks and a small how-to booklet. Haven't seen them in 3 years - since we moved from GA to NC. THey're SOMEWHERE around here, either in the house in a box somewhere or still in storage. GinaS: I have some bullion hooks that would work also GinaS: same thing, shaft is same as hook picotsnkeys: lol.....I know that routine, Steph AKTATTER: any questions? GinaS: oh and brittany wooden hooks work too skfuller: whenever working to pull a crochet hook through small places it help0s it you lift up on the crochet hook slightly (with the tip pointing down) this makes the opening kinda like the shape of a ring so thte hook tip slides through easier - I know a lot of crocheters do this automatically but if you don't it may help- AKTATTER check out these snowflakes http://csipke-csoda.blogspot.com/2011/12/14-motivum-elso-sajat-tervezesu- hopihe.html GinaS: I got the bullion hooks at MDSW but I'm sure you could find them online GinaS: they're yarn sized though AKTATTER: http://csipke-csoda.blogspot.com/2011/12/14-motivum-elso-sajat-tervezesu-hopihe.html AKTATTER: Helen Free says there is a place in the uk also skfuller: keep the pressure towards the top as you pull hook through Charlene: Beautiful snowflakes, Georgia! RVer: beautiful snowflakes Esther joined the chat 6 hours ago Esther: Hello Winkerbill: Those are pretty snowflakes. What language was that? Chari: Chari Miller, Great Bend, KS charim@ruraltel.net Needle and Shuttle dusamae: those are beautiful dagmar: are beautiful and well-crafted skfuller: sk Fuller ( skfuller: S mariaalcantara joined the chat 6 hours ago Mary_ND: classy!! luvtatat: k mariaalcantara: Hi tatters! AKTATTER: also visit Liv Oyen Strind's page http://nupereller.no/ Winkerbill: hi Maria! dagmar: hi maria smark69106 joined the chat 6 hours ago skfuller: Awesome snowflakes Charlene: Hello, Maria AKTATTER: she uses huge cord and yarns and a shuttle to make large pieces uitilitarian, too Judy: The texture of things you put up Georgia makes it look like its a stretchable yarn and not a firm tatting thead RVer: Hello Maria skfuller: skfuller sktattingdesigner Loveland CO USA shuttle Char: Hi Patty S GinaS: hi maria and smark GinaS: brb mariaalcantara: G the cro-tat e book is very intresting...I was looking at how to do it... Charlene: WOW! Not sure I could handle those large threads, although I have done a little bit of it AKTATTER here she made a floor mat http://nupereller.no/files/gimgs/1_resize-of-skomatte-i-hamp.jpg mariaalcantara: did we had sign? smark69106: Patty Markley Medical Lake WA smark69106@aol.com shuttle AKTATTER and here shows the shuttle she uses http://nupereller.no/files/gimgs/1_resize-of-botenal-i.jpg mariaalcantara: Maria Alcantara;famalcan@prodi?gy.net.mx;Mexico City: both styles AKTATTER: seh also tat is fine thread Winkerbill: Wow! I was wondering how she could tat with such huge thread! AKTATTER: not yet we are chatting 3 more minutes Winkerbill: What a gigantic shuttle. AKTATTER: she also tats in fine thread Charlene: Sorry. When you signed in, I thought we were supposed to! AKTATTER: anne bruvold has a video on tatting with thick thread Winkerbill: What sort of thread would one use to tat something as big as that floor mat? AKTATTER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBXHqRKuyxg AKTATTER: it is ok Cynthia: I did a big butterfly with 1/4 inch nylon rope...no pics of it anymore skfuller: jute? Chari: What kind of cord is that and where do you find the large shuttles? luvtatat: k dagmar: Georgia this technique is very interesting. I had never seen before mariaalcantara: G: until when you will give clases this year? AKTATTER: and for beginners please see this page of bead placements AKTATTER: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninettacaruso/6289552896/ smark69106: Just got back in town I was up in Anchorage for a couple of days and down in Texas for two weeks have missed my tatting class Charlene: I have used large nylon rope like for water skiing to teach newbies. AKTATTER: today is the last class of the year Maria AKTATTER: we begin again on Jan. 16, 2012 skfuller: jute or sissal is available in lots of sizes in many hardware stores Cynthia: I rolled the rope into a hank and just used that as a shuttle AKTATTER: Dagmar the Japanese tatters have down thick thread tatting for many years but it is not as popular in the US AKTATTER: crochet tatting is very old technique Charlene: So did I, Cynthia mariaalcantara: Great!!! because I will travel to Orlando...and I was sadddddd skfuller: memories of macrame Cyn in my old gray matter GinaS: back GinaS: I live near orlando maria AKTATTER: if you cannot get the bead placement photo to print then email it to yourself and then you can save or print it Cynthia: yep it reminded me of that too.... AKTATTER: ok shall we start? AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN smark69106 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA Winkerbill: Stephanie W in westerrn North Carolina USA Charlene: Charlene Richardson, charle1948@comcast.net, Lancaster, PA Shuttle mariaalcantara: Gina send me your address please....I will be 8 days at Orlando and then we will walk a little thru the zone!!!! smark69106: Patty Markley Medical Lake WA smark69106@aol.com shuttle Chari: Chari Miller, Great Bend, KS charim@ruraltel.net Needle and Shuttle RVer: Mary Anne O'Bryant maryanneobryant@gmail.co?m summerfield NC USA Char: Char Post Falls ID chamb74@hotmail.com mariaalcantara: Maria Alcantara;famalcan@prodi?gy.net.mx;Mexico City: both styles MaryR joined the chat 6 hours ago GinaS joined the chat 6 hours ago smark69106: Hi Char glad you could join the class skfuller: skfuller tattingdesigner@comcast.?net Loveland CO USA shuttle MaryR: Mary Robinson, PeachtreeCottage@comcast?.net, Georgia, USA, Shuttle picotsnkeys: Melanie Cervi aka picotsnkeys @ yahoo.com in Los Gatos, CA USA (Shuttle and some needle) AKTATTER: tHANK YOU ALL FOR STOPPING BY TODAY. i KNOW HOW BUSY THIS TIME OF YEAR CAN BE Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA tattingaway@gmail.com or brasthatfit@yahoo.com shuttle, fingers, and barely needle GinaS: *grumble grumble grumble* GinaS: Gina Shillitani gshillitani@yahoo.com Tampa, FL USA shuttle AKTATTER: BUT WE ALL WANT TO MAKE TIME FOR TATTING! Char: Hi Patty S, it been interesting dusamae: Cathy Morgan, dusamae@yahoo.com, Englewood, TN USA luvtatat: Jean Krieger, luvtatat@yahoo.com, Youngstown, NY Shuttle Esther: Esther, Israel. fliglman@bezeqint.net, Shuttlel AKTATTER: LETS BEGIN WITH THE LIEBERT PATTERNS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk1repfig74pg33reprintpg75.pdf GinaS: I live in tampa, maria Judy: anderson-judith@att.net Judy Los Angeles CA USA needle GinaS: will you be near there? dagmar: Dagmar d4pezzuto@gmail.com Campinas SP Brasil / shutlle AKTATTER: THE MEW MODEL WAS PREPARED BYOUROWN cATHY mORGAN AKTATTER: TAKE A BOW CATHY! Winkerbill: I wish I could find instructions for starting that needle lace ring in the center....it looks like a tatted ring....but somehow a little bit different. Charlene: I've done this pattern from the Liebert book many times. But not with this center, of course. dusamae: *bow* mariaalcantara: We can see you, I think we will drive to Sarasota...so.....we can go thru Tampa... AKTATTER: THIS MOTIF IS A LOT LIKE A COUPLE OF OTHERS I NTHE BOOK BUT IT HAS A CENTER WHICH LENDS ITSELF EASILY TO CREATIVE DESIGN Mary_ND: Mary Baumler, mbaumler@gmail.com, Fargo ND, USA Shuttle picotsnkeys: love the centers of those on the second page RVer: Thanks, Cathy. AKTATTER: THE PICOTS ARE AN EVEN NUMBER AND TWO OF THEM ARE JOINED TOGETHER WHEN MAKING THE CENER AKTATTER: CATHY CHOSE TO MAKE A CROCHET CENTER AKTATTER: elbk1reprintfig74pg33ori?gpg75reprintcathymorganc?rochetgcenter.jpg Winkerbill: I really like this medallion. Charlene: It's a beautiful piece when done. Cynthia joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk1reprintfig74pg33origpg75reprintcathymorgancrochetgcenter.jpg GinaS: my email won't let me send to your address maria mariaalcantara: Gina I will try thru mine....after class AKTATTER: to me the center looks like a swirling 8 pt star Charlene: I've done this in #10 Cebelia and it shows so well. GinaS: now it went through go figure AKTATTER: the diagram was provided by jane eborall GinaS: anyway I sent you my phone number AKTATTER: the small rings are r 3 + 2 - 2 - 3 Winkerbill: Wonder what it would look like if you used a tatted center with LONG picots....then twisted them before joining the next round's rings to them.... dagmar: This center is in crochet. Tatting NOT KNOW HIM AKTATTER: and the large rings are 4 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 4 AKTATTER: that make nine picots mariaalcantara: Gina I szend you a test mail... AKTATTER: that is ok dagmar you can decorate the center any way you like Charlene: Like the white sample with the rose center. Only no rose AKTATTER: the large rings join to each other by 2 repeat 2 picots on each side Charlene: I love the rose! Winkerbill: the white one with the rose center is one my my favorites. AKTATTER: i added a double red line on one ring to help you seethat as the diagram was not perfect luvtatat: k AKTATTER: THERE ARE 5 FREE STANDING PICOTS ON THE LARGE RING GinaS: você não sabe como crochê, dagmar? Cynthia: the double join would make it a firmer join wouldn't it AKTATTER: AND THE CHAINS JOIN OVER THE JOIN BETWEEN TWO LARGE RINGS mariaalcantara: G: does = means you have a double picot there? AKTATTER: THOSE NEEDLE WEAVING SAMPLESWERE DONE BY CLASS TATTERS A LONG TIME AGAO Chari: k dagmar: I do a lot CROCHE GINA AKTATTER: BUT THE EFFECT IS LOVELY ESPECIALLY YHE ROSE AKTATTER: AND WOULDN' T ONE OF CARMIN BARRON'S 5 THREAD CLUNY ROSES LOOK GOO D THERE? picotsnkeys: that's what I was thinking, AK Cynthia: the pink one looks a bt like a tally/cluny but with the ourer part the widest Char: k Cynthia: and that too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AKTATTER: THE RED LINE MEAN THAT THERE ARE TWO PICOTS AND THEY ARE JOINED THE BLACK LINES MADE IT LOOK JUST LIKE ONE PICOT WAS JOINED nstitcher joined the chat 6 hours ago GinaS: Stephanie disse: "Gostaria de saber o que olharia como se você usou um centro tatuado com picots LONGO .... então torceu-los antes de se juntar anéis a próxima rodada para eles ...." Charlene joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: any QUESTIONS? picotsnkeys: Hi Nina Charlene: Sorry. Got dumped nstitcher: hi GinaS: hi nina AKTATTER: THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR WORK WITH US CATHY nstitcher: nina richardson denver co myneedlenews@gmail.com or nstitcher@gmail.com shuttle dusamae: your welcome Charlene: Hi, Nina!! mariaalcantara: do we have to do the double picot joint all thru the circle? AKTATTER: OK LET'S LOOK AT THE EDGING WITH MIGNONETTE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk2fig50pg29reprintpg117.pdf AKTATTER http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmylIEBERT/elbk2reprintfig50pg29lacisreprintpg117sunela.jpg Judy: Are the two picots (red pair) set up so that its not so crowded between the rings? AKTATTER: take a close look a the photo AKTATTER http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk2reprintfig50pg29lacisreprintpg117sunela.jpg AKTATTER: i think that the two picots joined allows the bottom join to stabilize the shape AKTATTER: and the upper join is used as a place to anchor the hains as they go around, just my guess to AKTATTER: in the edging patern the double red line also means two picost are joined AKTATTER: here i think that both joins make the outer edge more stable AKTATTER: andnotice in the original photo Judy: Ok, AKTATTER: that the inner ring thesmall one AKTATTER: does not join tothe outer ring AKTATTER: which would have made the outer edge very floppy AKTATTER: the sample in this edging was proviDED BY SUNELAT THOMAS AKTATTER: SUNELA THOMAS GinaS: are you talking about the onion ring? skfuller: k Charlene: Beautiful job! AKTATTER: DOES EVERYONE KNOW THE TERM HEADER FOR LACE?? Mary_ND: k AKTATTER: YES i WAS GINA luvtatat: k GinaS: that' picotsnkeys: k Mary_ND: no Judy: new term for me AKTATTER: THE HEADER IS THAT PORTION OF THE LACE THAT WILL BE ATTACHED TO THE CLOTH GinaS: that's what you use to atatasch the lace to something else Winkerbill: is that the part you sew on? Chari: k Winkerbill: ....never mind....you already answered that one. GinaS: attach Winkerbill: ;-) AKTATTER: SO IN THIS EDGING THE HEADER EQUALS THE TWO LINES OF OPPOSING RINGS AKTATTER: THIS IS A FAMILIAR CONSTRUCTION TO US ALL picotsnkeys: kinda like hen and chicks? AKTATTER: YES ACTUALLY IT IS CALL "EGGS" IF THERE AER NO PICOTS ON THE RINGS LOL dagmar: K mariaalcantara: no!!!!! Judy: groan! AKTATTER: SO THE HEADER IT RING1 3 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 CLR Char: k AKTATTER: YEP Winkerbill: hmmmm....so which DOES come first....the chicken or the egg? Winkerbill: (wicked grin) AKTATTER: AN LINEO F HEN AND CHICKS WITH THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS HEN AND CHICKS ON EGGS mariaalcantara: ??????? AKTATTER: A LINE OF HEN ANDCHICCKS WITH EGSS ON A DOUBLE LINE OF EGGS IS CALLED THE BROODER HEN & CHICKS LOL nstitcher: I'm a little confused... does this work from one edge to the other on the shorter side for the length needed? picotsnkeys: lol AKTATTER: WHICH COME FIRST ? WHY THE RING OF COURSE!! Winkerbill: my brother-in-law would LOVE all this chickens and eggs talk. ;-) AKTATTER: OK SORRY MEL I DIGRESSED nstitcher: actually the tatter came first for the hens and chicks AKTATTER: THE LINE OF PROGRESSION IS FROM LEFT TO RIGHT AKTATTER: SO RING A 3 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 CLR LAEV BAR SPACE RW AKTATTER: WORK THIS SIDE IN RODS IF DESIRED AKTATTER: RING B 3 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 CLR LEAVE BARE SPACE RW AKTATTER: RING C 3 + 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 CLR LEAVE BARE SPACE RW AKTATTER: RING D 3 + 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 3 CLR LEAVE BARE SPACE RW AKTATTER: SO TAT THE HEADER FOR THELENGTH DESIRED AKTATTER: ok? dusamae: k picotsnkeys: ah....so we're working this in 2 steps? Charlene: Yep Mary_ND: k picotsnkeys: sorry I'm a bit dense today.... AKTATTER: 4 STEPS ALTOGETHER AKTATTER: BUT OF COURSE YOU CAN CLIMB OUT OF A B RING INTO THE SECOND STEP AKTATTER: THE SECOND STEP IS ALL TINY RINGS WHICH ATTACH TO THE MIDDLE PICOT OF THE B RINGS Winkerbill: so these onion rings are really RINGS, you don't attach a chain thread on the last row of rings....it's another ring around the ring? nstitcher: so it is more like 4 rows tatted... Winkerbill: and only the one shuttle thread? AKTATTER: ONE SHUTTLE AKTATTER: R 2 + 2 CLR LEAVE BARE THREAD SPACE AND REPEAT ACROSS AKTATTER: REPEAT THE WHOLE ROW ONCE Winkerbill: How do you keep from having your onion rings pucker and not lie flat? I think I might be closing the outer ring too tightly....but no matter how loose i make it, they still seem to want to pucker. mariaalcantara: 3 rows will be required.......?? what you think G.. Judy: How do you judge how long to make the thread spaces? Winkerbill: Same thing when I make a catherine wheel....it wants to cup. AKTATTER: 4 ROWS AKTATTER: TEHHFOURTH ROW HAS TINY RINGS ATTACHED TO THE PREIVOUS MIGNONETTE ROW Winkerbill: Short of getting a sumo wrestler to pull it back out and loosen it, how do I make it behave? AKTATTER: AND THETINY RINGS ALTERNATE WITH THE ONION RINGS picotsnkeys: Steph- I had that problem using a really soft thread.... mariaalcantara: ok.. AKTATTER: THE INNER RING OF THE ONION IS r 5 - 5 CLR DO NOT RW AKTATTER: ROTATE THE WORK IN THE HAD AND BEGIN SECOND RING AKTATTER: HERE IS A TIP STEPH TO KEEP THE RING FORM PUCKERING Winkerbill: hehehe....on the one hand I was quite proud of myself for FINALLY mastering the Catherine wheel join. On the OTHER hand, I was going nutty trying to make the round thing lie flat. dagmar: K AKTATTER: OH I SHUDDER TO SAY THIS BUT HERE GOES AKTATTER: LEAVE SOME GAPSOSIS IN THE THREAD AKTATTER: JUST A LITTLE BIT THEN START THE SECOND RING GinaS: *gasp* Winkerbill: :)) AKTATTER: I KNOW GINA I KNOW Winkerbill: can't believe Georgia would SAY such a thing! AKTATTER: BUT I READ THAT IN AN OLD GERMAN BOOK AND IT DOES SEEM TO WORK Winkerbill: hehehee....I'll try it. Winkerbill: gapsosis....is that an old German term, then? ;-) Char: k picotsnkeys: it does work.....and if you're sewing it all onto a fabric, you can sew it to get rid of some of the gap AKTATTER: OK THE OUTER RING IS R 6 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 6 Judy: k AKTATTER: THE SECOND OUER RING JOINS TO THE FIRST AKTATTER: R 6 + 2 + 3 - 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - 6 AKTATTER: AGAIN TWO PICOTS ON EACH SIDE ARE JOINED AKTATTER: NOTICE THAT THE SAMPLE DIFFERS FROM THE ORIGINAL A LITTLE AKTATTER: IN THAT THE BARE THREAD SPACE IS A DIFFERENT LENGTH AKTATTER: JUST KEEP THE SAME LENGTH ON EACH "ROW" ARE YOU WILL BE FINE Judy: I'm startled by the large stitch count of the outer ring compared to the inner one 5 -5 10 stitches, vs 27 or so.. AKTATTER: OK QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: I READ ONCE THAT THE OUTER RING NEEDS TO ME 2-3 TIMES THE # OF DS THAN THE INNER RING mariaalcantara: no questions...only tatt the examples...jejejje picotsnkeys: that's the way the math works out....hehe AKTATTER: IF TOO FEW DS THEN YOU BULD A PUCKER INTO THE WORK nstitcher: didn't oler threads shrink too,,, hence the need for 'gaposisis? AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO SUNELA THOMAS FOR THE MODEL AND JANE EBORALL FOR THE DIAGRAM picotsnkeys: threads that aren't twisted as tight as some will shrink also AKTATTER: THAT IS POSSIBLE picotsnkeys: thank you Sunela and Jane!!! AKTATTER: TRUE ALSO AKTATTER: OK LETS; GO TO HELEN FREE'S AKA "ENFYS" CROTAT HISTORY PAGE Winkerbill: just tried leaving a tiny gap - used a 'spare' shuttle with sisze 80 thread on it.... Judy: Yes, thanks Sunela and Jane... Ready AKTATTER: http://www.enfys.me.uk/crotat-history-tutorial.htm mariaalcantara: that page is great!!!! Winkerbill: and leaving the little bitty gap DOES help keep the outer ring from getting all messed up. Winkerbill: ;-) AKTATTER: OH I M GLAD THAT WORKED FOR YOU dusamae: k AKTATTER: NEARLY A DECADE AGO THE ONLINE TATTING CLASS DID A STUDY OF CROCHET TATTING AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/crotat.html dagmar: K AKTATTER: AT THAT TIME THE RINGS WERE CROTAT AND THE CHAINS WERE ALL CROCHET AKTATTER: IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/crotat2.html AKTATTER: YOU CAN SEE THE DRAWING SHOWS CROCHET STITCH ONTHE FAR RIGHT AND THE CRO TAT TO THE LEFT OF IT GinaS: crotat looks loose like needle tatting to me picotsnkeys: it would be difficult for me to tell if a sample was needle tatted or crotatted....any tips? AKTATTER: YES IT DOES HAVE THAT LOOK AKTATTER: ENFYS TELLS US A BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF CORCHET TATTING AND DESCRIBES THE HOOKS TOO AKTATTER: AND THEN HELEN HAS GIVEN ALL OF US HER COMPLETE BOOK ON "HOW TO cROTAT" AKTATTER: MANY THANK TO HER FOR THAT AKTATTER: http://www.4shared.com/document/6HeRMah7/How_to_Crotat.html Judy: Looks like my afghan hook would work, if using yarn. ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Visible contents as of 12 Dec 2011 20:36 UTC-06:00 (126 KB) Page 2 of 3 - From 51297 to 102460 - Newest posts at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER: TO MY EYES THERE IS NEVER A QUESTION BUT HOW I MAKE THAT DIFFERENTIATION I AM NOT SURE, JUST TIME AND EXPERIENCE? RVer: Judy, I think it would. dagmar: K Winkerbill: hmmmm....I have several afghan hooks....somewhere...hav?en't seen THEM since we moved 3 years ago, EITHER. Moving to a much smaller place with very litlte storage area is a mess! AKTATTER: HERE IS A MODERN SITE WITH VIDEOS http://www.freepatterns.com/content/content.html?content_cat_id=337&type_id=S mariaalcantara: a tinitian hook will do it too.... Winkerbill: You can't find ANYTHING.... picotsnkeys: mmmmm I'm going to have to play with this during the break from classes ;) GinaS: brittany hooks and maybe other wood hooks work also Winkerbill: I wonder.... if I could cro-tat a scarf..... AKTATTER: THERE IS ONE MASTER CROTATT WHO DEVELOPED A TATTED CHAIN AKTATTER: CROTATTER GinaS: and they sell bullion hooks that would work as well RVer: Steph, I live in an RV - it's unbelievable how hard it can be to find things - only so many places to look. AKTATTER: YOU CAN STUDY ONT HE CHAIN HERE http://www.reocities.com/mountainhome1999/ Winkerbill: I needle-tatted HALF a scarf....ran out of 'extra' yarn and have to wait until I finish my 2nd sock ....been years since I worked on the sock.... Winkerbill: before I have the rest of the yarn to finish the scarf. Winkerbill: ;-) Winkerbill: shows how much I knit.... Winkerbill: ;-) AKTATTER: IF YOU HAVE PRINTED THE BOOK PLEAS TURN TO PG 11 skfuller: Her chains look like a crochet slip stitch Char: k skfuller: in American terms AKTATTER: THE BOW AND THE SNOWFLAKE ON THAT PAGE ARE DONE BY MAKING "STRINGS" AS ENFYS TERMED IT Mary_ND: k AKTATTER: THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SELF CLOSING MOCK RING Judy: k AKTATTER: NEXT TRN TO PAEG 14 AKTATTER: WOW MY TYPING IS AWFUL TODAY SORRY AKTATTER: PLEASE TURN TO PAGE 14 AKTATTER: THIS IS A TRICK I HAD NOT SEEN BEFORE GinaS: what book are we talking about AKTATTER: SINCETHIS IS "FAT FLUFFY" TYPE THREAD IT HAS A LOT OF GIVE picotsnkeys: the How to Crotat pdf AKTATTER: WHICH MAKES IT EASY TO HIDE THE ENDS AFTER THE PIECE IS COMPLETE SO IN THET ECHNIQUE AKTATTER: THE TECHNIQUE SHE BEGINSW A RING INONE COLOR AND THEN INTRODUCES A SECOND COLOR AKTATTER: AND THEN REMOVES IT LATER FROM ACTION picotsnkeys: I really like that look! AKTATTER: WHAT DOYOU THINK OF THAT? AKTATTER: http://www.4shared.com/document/6HeRMah7/How_to_Crotat.html skfuller: I like it bet we could do it in tatting Cynthia: neat idea picotsnkeys: I've already added it to my "design elements scrapbook" AKTATTER: THEN LOOK AT THE FINISHED FLOWER AT THE TOP OF PAGE 15 AKTATTER: YOU ARE SEE THE THE GREEN THREAD AKTATTER: IS SIMPLY CARRIED FROM RING TO RING ON THE BACK skfuller: Great Mel! AKTATTER: BROUGHT INTO ACTION THEN RETIRED FROM ACTION AKTATTER: OVER AND OVER AKTATTER: UNIQUE WAY TO ADD COLOR AND TEXTURE picotsnkeys: I see snowflakes with not just beads, but bling metalic thread added in AKTATTER: QUESTIONS?? AKTATTER: WELL SUE I HOPE YOU WILL TRY IT I THINK I WILL TOO picotsnkeys: anybody got an extra day or two I can add to my week before Christmas....so much to tat!!!! Carmín joined the chat 5 hours ago picotsnkeys: Hi Carmin! Carmín: hello everybady AKTATTER: PLEASE SEE THE VIDEOS ON http://www.reocities.com/mountainhome1999/cro-tatextrapage.htm FOR TH E TATTED CHAIN IN CRO TATTING BY MARY mariaalcantara: Carmin...legas a tiempo skfuller: If I ever get ahead in the Tatting Designers I will! AKTATTER: WELCOME CARMIN! WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU TODAY Cynthia: I could use an extra week.... Carmín: thanks Judy: Wow, I like that effect. She says its sort of like a picot join. Anybody ever try that effect in "straight" tatting? AKTATTER: OK THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE FOR TODAY AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? picotsnkeys: didn't work so hot, but then my skill has improved a lot since then AKTATTER: THIS INFO REPEATS TONIGHT AT 8:30PM ET NEW YORK TIME picotsnkeys: just a huge thank you to all and especially AK AKTATTER: WITH THE 30 MIN QUESTIONS AND ANSWER TIME BEFORE CLASS skfuller: I just almost lost a week -stomach problems and sinus since lst Tuesday night after class skfuller: finally feeling right today! Cynthia: thank you Georgia and Carmin Judy: Thanks. Interesting day. Bye picotsnkeys: glad you're better Sue!! AKTATTER: CYNTHIS YOU HAVE LESSON THREE THIS WEEK GinaS: I have an OT question Cynthia: yes Mary_ND: Thanks Georgia AKTATTER: AND YOU BEGIGN AGAIN THE FIRST THURSDAY IN JANUARY? AKTATTER: SUER GINA skfuller: Good thing we're reviewing tomorrow! Cynthia: sorry phone AKTATTER: REGULAR CLASS RESUMES JAN. 16, 2012 GinaS: does anyone know the finca equivalent sizes AKTATTER: HMM LET ME LOOK FOR A CHART Mary_ND: Merry Christmas All - see you in 2012. mariaalcantara: Carmin los ultimos link son sobre crotat RVer: Thanks, Georgia. Winkerbill: um....if I remember correctly, the finca 16 ***might*** be around a size 50 GinaS: to "standad" tatting thread? skfuller: First Tuesday Jan 3rd, but I will check in at reg times the 2 Tuesdays we're off for anyone with questions or just wants jto chat dagmar: THANK YOU FOR ALL CLASSES OF GEORGIA YEAR AND A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR TO ALL Carmín: si, los estoy checando Winkerbill: It's been years and year, though, since I used Finca at all. Winkerbill: All I had was the one ball of size 16 - it was a gorgeous deep pink. ;-) skfuller: Thank you so much Georgia! AKTATTER: DID YOU TRY THEIR CATALOG http://www.presenciaamerica.com/files/Presencia_America_catalog.pdf mariaalcantara: Have a wonderfull time during this great time...Merry Christmas!!! picotsnkeys: off to sew a camel on a tea towel AKTATTER: YOU AREMOST WELCOME DAGMAR Winkerbill: ooh, cute! GinaS: I got a couple of balls at tat days.l... I've tried doing it by eye but I'm just not sure Winkerbill: Never thought about sewing a camel on a towel! AKTATTER: AND THANKS TO THE MANY VOLOUNTEERS AND DESIGNERS WHO KEEP US GOING WITH PATTERNS ALL YEAR LONG picotsnkeys: Merry Christmas to all!! Esther: Thank you Georgia and bye! Winkerbill: Gina if you have some 'extra' finca, tat a small motif - something like a tiny 1-round snowflake. nstitcher: happy holidays to all!! Winkerbill: Then tat the same thing with similar size threads. skfuller: Merry Christmas everyone Winkerbill: What sizes of finca did you get at Tat Days? Carmín joined the chat 5 hours ago RVer: Merry Christmas to all. Winkerbill: brb - gone to get my 'size chart' book ....see if I have the finca 16 in there... mariaalcantara: G where we can buy this thread??? picotsnkeys: ooooo that rings a bell picotsnkeys: the Shuttle/Thread Capacity Chart I have Cynthia: We will be doing lesson 3 if anyone wants to join us on Thursday...then the 22 it will be open chat and then no class until the 12th so we have 3 weeks to tat in January... picotsnkeys: yes!!!! Winkerbill: ok, got my book.... AKTATTER: fINCA? i ONLY SEE IT AT TAT DAYS picotsnkeys: Finca 8 looks like between DMC 10 and 20 Winkerbill: Finca 16 is the only size I've ever tried, and it IS about the same size 12 'size 50" thread. Winkerbill: Isn't a 12 similar to a size 30 thread? mariaalcantara: ohhhhhhh!!!!!!! GinaS: size 3 and 5 I *think* Winkerbill: Pearl cotton sizes are different from crochet/tatting cotton sizes....wish they'd make them all the same or give a comparison on their web sites. picotsnkeys: me too Steph Winkerbill: Gina, I think I'd do the 'small motif" test. I have a small photo album. Winkerbill: all of the motifs in there are the same pattern. Winkerbill: different sizes and brands of threads. Winkerbill: with notes on size, what they are approximately equal to Winkerbill: arranged in order from largest to smallest.... Winkerbill: and if I particularly like or dislike a thread, I make a note of that, too....and 'why.' dagmar: K GinaS: oh okay Winkerbill: Takes me about half an hour to find an approximate thread equivlent size now.... ;-) Cynthia: I did that too Steph...used a baseball card page inserts...with a butterfly and a 20 stitch chain Winkerbill: But SAVE all your test motifs with labels so you don't have to keep figuring it out over and over again. Winkerbill: Baseball card pages....that would be even better than my tiny album. AKTATTER: ok then thanks for stopping by today, merry christmas and happy holidays to everyone Winkerbill: I'm running out of pages in my tiny book. Winkerbill: Thanks Georgia! mariaalcantara: same to you G!!!! an d al ttares here!!! Winkerbill: wE appreciate your hard work! AKTATTER: until tonight then, bye and happy tatting Cynthia: I put name of thread, color and numbers, date, where I got it and if I would get/use it again and why it was terrible AKTATTER: :) mariaalcantara: Hope I can see you next year!!!! GinaS: hugs georgia Winkerbill: I don't bother wtih color numbers most of the time. Carmín joined the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: I use little 3 by 5 cards cut to fit... nstitcher: have a great holiday! Mary_ND left the chat 5 hours ago Winkerbill: just the name of the thread, size, and - only in rare cases of extreme like or dislike - what's good or bad about it. Char: Thanks Everyone Merry Christmas Cynthia: I did the color numbers as it was an easy way to indicate... picotsnkeys: I did my samples on a trip, but never got them into a notebook...they're "in a box" here Carmín: hapy holiday dagmar: BYE TO ALL GinaS: I think I have some of the metallic also Cynthia: yes if it is very bad then (I say or if I love it and want more...more please... Winkerbill: If you're relatively new to tatting, it might be a good idea to re-tat your motifs every ....oh, 5 years or so....I've found that some of my older motifs are looser than my 'today' samples. picotsnkeys: here's the chart from NSAN: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UGvmToyy2dVhgCt9wEzyvonwKci8C5GgvWYw4hNTiOqXFjHRkl78hrfPLbqbPrZMF0g1kl2k8L1QPqYszsp8M4JbZ5Pc_ORih0U/Booklets%20and%20Charts/Shuttle-Thread%20Capacity%20Chart.pdf GinaS: bye dagmar :) Winkerbill: Ah, metallic....harder to use, but wonderful for your comparison chart 'book.' ;-) picotsnkeys: Loopylacer posted it a couple of years ago mariaalcantara: Carmin...ya tienes el libro? si te falta algo. estoy en casa! Chao! Carmín: ya gracias mariaalcantara: See you girls next year!!!!!!!! Carmín: para incluirle algo en la revista Carmín: :P empezar a hacer algo de crotat Winkerbill: ooh, that chart would make an easy comparison chart, too. Compare yardage to figure out thread size. Great idea! mariaalcantara: ok.....hay material interesante... Winkerbill: Have to run. Cynthia: I include the date so I know when I did tat the motif and I still add new when I get a new color...I've noticed size differences when using black and white. Black can be a bit larger...enough to notice for a tatter... mariaalcantara: Bye!!!! Carmín: bye Carmín: FELICES FIESTAS!!!!!!!!!! Cynthia: bye and happy holidays Maria and Carmin picotsnkeys: gracias Cynthia: I'll be back tonight too Winkerbill: I've noticed that too - sometimes the dark colors are slightly different insize, even though the thread is the same 'number.' Winkerbill: Have a wonderful Christmas and holiday season, everyone! Winkerbill: bye! Winkerbill left the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: glad it wasn't just me... GinaS: what would be a good mo0tif? picotsnkeys: have a wonderful and safe holiday season everyone! picotsnkeys left the chat 5 hours ago skfuller: Bye have a wonderful holiday season to all Cynthia: I use a butterfly--the 7ds, 7 p, 7 ds then2 rings of 5 then repeat the ring of 7 and do a chain of 20 sts for the antennae Cynthia: I'll make a diagram...given I can make inkscape work...LOL GinaS: of course you can! Cynthia: LOL I sent Gina a note about could I get help! and she answered as I hit send... Cynthia: nina how is the weather in your area? Had any snow?? Cynthia: brb Sobie needs out and as it is 35 an misty it shouldn't take her long nstitcher: it has been nice the last few days nstitcher: but flurries tonight nstitcher: but sunny tom Cynthia: oh how I long for the weather in the denver area...at least when cold there it wasn't a chill to the bone cold Cynthia: the sun would be out...here it is cloudy damp and cold nstitcher: well we had that last monday nstitcher: high of 9 with wind chill Cynthia: I remember going out in my shirtsleeves at 25 of course I didn't stay too long but it was doable...BRRRRRRRRRRRRR Cynthia: that wind chill would get me into a good coat! Cynthia: bye for now Gina will help me learn inkscape so I can do better diagrams....Hugs GinaS left the chat 5 hours ago Rosemarie joined the chat 2 hours ago Rosemarie: Hello Everyone lamazona joined the chat 2 hours ago lamazona: hello Rosemarie: brb Bernice joined the chat 108 minutes ago Bernice: HI guess I have a little time so will grab a bite to eat yumatatter joined the chat 99 minutes ago yumatatter: hello everyone! no1nct joined the chat 98 minutes ago no1nct: hello all lamazona: hello Bernice: Hi Anita and no1 and Lamaz no1nct: Hi Bernice, my name is Sam AKTATTER joined the chat 97 minutes ago AKTATTER: HELLO ALL AKTATTER: Dec. 12, 2011 evening session of the very last meeting of the year! yumatatter: are you new to class, lamazona? AKTATTER: welcome one and all AKTATTER: this next 30 minutes is an open question and answer session Bernice: Hi Sam lamazona: yes, i'm a new AKTATTER: hello sam and lamazona lamazona: hello AKTATTER: are there any questions? yumatatter: welcome! How long have you been tatting? AKTATTER: eyecandy http://madtatter-madtatter.blogspot.com/2011/10/little-christmas-angel.html?spref=fb&mid=55090 Rosemarie: Hello again, Everyone lamazona: for about 8 months yumatatter: what a neat angel! Bernice: nice angel AKTATTER sent out an invitation 93 minutes ago Rosemarie: Very delicate angel - very pretty. lamazona: it looks like singing. pretty AKTATTER: Sam are you a new tatter, too? no1nct: I have been tatting for about a year no1nct: I followed the beginners class last year AKTATTER: that is super AKTATTER: did you both find the lesson for tonight ok? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2011/2011index.html AKTATTER: then scroll down to Dec. 12 AKTATTER: there are two lessons from the Emmy Liebert book no1nct: OK thanks AKTATTER http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk1repfig74pg33reprintpg75.pdf http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk2fig50pg29reprintpg117.pdf AKTATTER: and a history of crotat http://www.enfys.me.uk/crotat-history-tutorial.htm yumatatter: will we be continuing with Emmy in the new year? no1nct: I am going to follow along. I am sick in bed with a cold and my kids won't leave me alone!!!!! AKTATTER: and Enfys is giving us her crotat turorial book for free http://www.4shared.com/document/6HeRMah7/How_to_Crotat.html GinaS joined the chat 87 minutes ago Cynthia joined the chat 86 minutes ago Cynthia: Hi everyone! AKTATTER: yes we ll keep on this the Liebert and then do some of the Eolonore Endrucks-Leichten-Stern GinaS: hi everyone! AKTATTER: and I think we are getting a copy of Brigitta Holdfelden's book also to shaer GinaS: cynthia, how did you get along? Paule joined the chat 86 minutes ago AKTATTER: we willhave lots to do Paule: allo evryone! AKTATTER: welcome paule cyn and gina lamazona: hello cynthia, gina AKTATTER: oh dear Paule, at least with I can shut the door on my cat when he pesters me too much at class time Rosemarie: Hi, Gina annd Paule AKTATTER: get better Paule: allo everyone again! no1nct: Wow, that is generous. Thanks for the book. Cynthia: Hi JiHyun welcome to the ongoing class Paule: I think my mouse is dying... Bernice: hi paule cyn & gina AKTATTER: JiHyun? GinaS: bernice, did anita show you the square dancer embroidery? lamazona: nice to see you again Rosemarie: Hi Cynthia lamazona: That's my name. Cynthia: lamazona..unless I messed up the spelling of Jihyun's name AKTATTER: check the cord for a crimpped spot AKTATTER: Han gook salaminika? lamazona: Jihyun is right GinaS: some cordless mice take batteries Cynthia: I thought I did pretty good...remembering and the spelling gtoo... lamazona: yes, I am. I'm Korean Paule: Georgia I think I've got my hands on an old tatting book GinaS: mine does AKTATTER: anyang hashimnika AKTATTER: bangap sumnida Bernice: she mentioned it but I am behind with emails GinaS: sometimes the battery needs to be replaced lamazona: ne, Kamsahamnida. Thank you. GinaS: gosh georgia, do you speak everything? AKTATTER: oh Paule which one???? Paule: Star book of Tatting designs Deesigns by Ann Orr copy right 1035 Paule: 1935 AKTATTER: lol not yet Gina but I' still studying Paule: 10 cents! AKTATTER: that'sgreat Paule Paule: do we already have that? lamazona: How do you know about Korean lanquage. I remeber i've got en email in Korean from you when I joined this group. AKTATTER: JiHyun did you watch Jumong on TV? We just finished the fourth year this week so sad to see it end GinaS: I can't even seem to learn ONE extra language AKTATTER: I studied Korean at the University of Alaska in Anchorage for 2 years but I just know a little anymore yumatatter: check your FB, Bernice lamazona: Wow. you saw Korean drama. It ended here very long ago. AKTATTER: Yes for the last two years we rented the four year series AKTATTER: Today I order Dong Yi and Damo to see which might be interesting to watch next lamazona: They are most popular dramas in Korea, too. AKTATTER: good they looked interesting I really enjoy historical stories fiction and dramas as well as documentaries Paule: What is Jumong ? and Dong YI and Damo? GinaS: I think they are korean movies and tv shows paule AKTATTER: i think your book can be freely shared noe Paule I believe it is in public domain lamazona: But hardly i can see dramas on TV, because my son doesn't going to pass me the TV remote controler. AKTATTER: yes they are historical dramas Paule: It already is? Bernice: Cute pattern Gina GinaS: I thought of you two when I saw it :) Cynthia: JiHyun that is kids everywhere!!! and husbands too AKTATTER: if you remember Roots, Centennial Blue and Gray they are long series and well done AKTATTER: I must look to see if it is onlinen Paule Paule: Do you want me to scan the first page and send it to you? AKTATTER: #15 1n3 #19 are in the antique pattern library but not 35 AKTATTER: yes please thanks Paule AKTATTER: Paule #35 was repritned by Dover Paule: On the third page it says: Designed and edited by Anne Orr for the American threaad company Paule: On the same page it says Tatting Book #2 AKTATTER: Classic tatting patterns dover title I think AKTATTER: let me see the cover then I will serach AKTATTER: any tatting questions? AKTATTER: did everyone get the free book printed?? AKTATTER: http://www.4shared.com/document/6HeRMah7/How_to_Crotat.html no1nct: I got it Cynthia: yes and thank you! Paule: I do have Anne Orr's Classic Tatting Patterns by Dover but none of the patterns are the same... no1nct: Does any one have the books by Tina Frauberger? I would love to find these GinaS: I do GinaS: but I don't think they're in public domain no1nct: What are the patterns like? Can you follow them even though in another language. no1nct: Yeah. I don't know what the copyright laws are where they were published. Greengal joined the chat 69 minutes ago GinaS: me? not really but someone with more experience could! I guess if I really spent a lot of time I could make them AKTATTER: as long as there is a photo or a diagram it does not matter what language you speak no1nct: I found a site in Germany where you can by a reprint of 2 books for about 36 euro's. I just don't want to spend that if I won't use it. AKTATTER: Yes I have one of them GinaS: yes that is where I got it GinaS: from germany GinaS: its like following patterns from the emmy liebert books we're doing now no1nct: I wish they had a preview so I could see a couple of pages. Greengal: Hi guys sorry to butt in. Just wanted to pop in and wish you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Hopefully I wll actually getto class next year. Best Wishes All ! no1nct: I downloaded the Liebert books. I do like those. Bernice: Thanks the same to you! AKTATTER: we worked some of her patterns in class already AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/tinafrauberger/bk2/tinafraubergerbk2pg85fig97.html AKTATTER: this one is missing thephotos http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/frauberger1913.html no1nct: Yes I think that is where I first saw her name! Bernice joined the chat 66 minutes ago AKTATTER: the onionring was feautured by Tina Frauberger too AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/onion/onion.html Cynthia: Merry Christmas and Happy new year to you too Greengal AKTATTER: welcome green GinaS: hi greengal :) GinaS: and same to you! yumatatter: k Susan joined the chat 63 minutes ago GinaS: if you can follow the liebert patterns you could follow the frauberger patterns GinaS: hi susan Susan: hi sorry for being late no1nct: Thanks that is helpful. I am going to try a Liebert pattern this weekend GinaS: we haven't even signed in yet susan AKTATTER: email me sam and I will check the list of books I have on disk already GinaS: not late at all AKTATTER: if you know a tatter who is not here but might like to joins us tonight please use the iinvite button on the left and ask thenm to join us yumatatter: sam, use the links on Georgias page for the liebert patterns...the new drawings make the patterns so much easier Susan: k Cynthia: did this thing stall out on me?? Cynthia: whew just got quiet.... GinaS: don't know cynthia Susan sent out an invitation 58 minutes ago lamazona: The doily in Emmy Liebert, join three picots at once? yumatatter: I thought mine was just being slow :D Cynthia: I made sure several people who sometimes join us remembered...I did it by IM..had to look up the emails to do it otherwise... pysankylover@yahoo.com joined the chat 57 minutes ago Cynthia: Maybe chatzy is just slow Cynthia: Hi Nancy.... GinaS: hi nancy yumatatter: Bernice and I have been invited to demonstrate tatting at the Christmas Village at our local state park this sunday night Cynthia: WOO HOO that is awesome! AKTATTER: ok we better get started pysankylover@yahoo.com: hi everyone GinaS: that is so cool bernice and anita! AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN yumatatter: we're excited about it, but afraid it will be cool GinaS: Gina Shillitani gshillitani@yahoo.com Tampa, FL USA shuttle yumatatter: yumatatter aka anita, travelingdancers@inbox.c?om, yuma,az,usa , shuttle AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA pysankylover@yahoo.com: nancy enscoe, pysankylover@yahoo.com, somerset pa, usa, needle lamazona: Lim Jihyun lamazona@naver.com, Seoul, shuttle Susan: Susan Hamel albertadeers@hotmail.com? Taber AB Canada, shuttle and needle tatting Bernice: Bernice Odom bmo1941@gmail.com Yuma, AZ. USA needle Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA tattingaway@gmail or brasthatfit@yahoo.com shuttle, fingers and a bit of needle too Rosemarie: Rosemarie Weber, rweb53@verizon.net, Baltimore, Maryland, USA, Needle and Shuttle AKTATTER: jIhYUN i AM NOT SURE WHICH SPOT YOUARE LOOKING AT ON THE DOILY WHICH PATTERN? AKTATTER: WELCOME NANCY TOO Paule: Paule Primeau Boucherville Québec Canada toujoursvivante@videotro?n.ca GinaS: anita and bernice, you both signed up for TAST and CQJP? Bernice: Yes we did lamazona: i'm sorry. Emmy Leibert fig.37 bk 1 pg2 - reprint pg 18 AKTATTER sent out an invitation 54 minutes ago no1nct: k GinaS: that's great :) do you have blogs? yumatatter: Have you joined the FB page for CQJP, Gina? yumatatter: http://sparemomentstitching.wordpress.com/ AKTATTER: TWO PICOTS yumatatter: not much in it yet GinaS: oh, I don't think so, I'll have to look for that yumatatter: http://timeusebybernice.wordpress.com/ AKTATTER: WELCOME ONE AND ALL TO THE VERY LAST CLASS OF THE YEAR 2011 lamazona: oh, you're right. that's not three, two is right AKTATTER: WE BEGIN O UR 13TH YEAR ONLINE NOW AKTATTER: IT IS HARD TO SEE IN THE ORIGINAL PHOTO TOO skfuller joined the chat 52 minutes ago skfuller: Hi all - can't stay long tonight AKTATTER: TONIGHT WE ARE STUDYING MORE PATTERN FROM THELIBER BOOK yumatatter: hi sue AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk1repfig74pg33reprintpg75.pdf AKTATTER: WELCOME sUE HOPEYOU AREFEELING BETTER TONIGHT AKTATTER: THE SAMPLE WAS PREPARED BY OUT OWN CATHY MORGAN AKTATTER: THIS MOTIF IS SIMILAR TO OTHERES IN THEBOOK BUT GinaS: hi sk AKTATTER: WITH THE OPEN CENTER IT GIVES TATTERS A GREAT SPOT TO DISPLAY THEIR CREATVITY GinaS: mine is http://fiberygoodness.blogspot.com skfuller: Hi Gina and Anita AKTATTER: jIhYUN THIS PATTERN IS TYPICAL OF HOW WE PRESENT TATTING PATTERNS WHICH IORIGINATED IN A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH AKTATTER: WE INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL PHOTO THE NEW MODEL A DIAGRAM AND SOMETIMES WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS IN THE SIMPEST FORM POSSIBLE AKTATTER: THIS MOTIF IS MADE WITH THE CENTER BEING DONE LAST AKTATTER: IT HAS AN EVEN NUMBER OF PICOTS AKTATTER: AND THESE PICOTS ARE JOINED INPAIRS no1nct: k AKTATTER: INCATHY'S VERSION SHE CREATED A CROCHETED CENTER AKTATTER: BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE TWO YOU CAN SEE OTHER TREATMENTS AKTATTER: IT CAN BE TATTED, NEEDLE WEAVING OR ANYTHING AKTATTER: I REALLY ENJOYED THE LOOK OF THE WHITE ONE WITH THE ROSE MYSELF Susan: c yumatatter: I really like the motif AKTATTER: I THINK THAT IT WOUL DBE A GREAT SPOT RO USE THE 5 THREAD CLUNY ROSE PATTERN picotsnkeys joined the chat 47 minutes ago lamazona: many variations. Cynthia: I could see it with a tally/cluny center too Cynthia: Not by me--yet but someone else AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2011/carminbdoubleclunyrose.pdf Susan: i can see it woven in tatting lamazona: the final photo, is it a double cluny? AKTATTER: OK THE TINY RINGS ARE TATTED FIRST r 3 - 2 - 2 - 3 CLR LEAVE BARE SPACE RW Cynthia: Hi Mel picotsnkeys: Hi all SunelaT joined the chat 45 minutes ago AKTATTER: LARGE RING 4 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 4 AKTATTER: THAT MAKES 9 PICOTS CLR RW LEAVE BARE SPACE Lcyoganow joined the chat 45 minutes ago AKTATTER: TINY RINGS JOINE TO EACH OTHER AS DO THE LARGE RINGS BUT Cynthia: I think it is woven Jihyun at least in the picture ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Visible contents as of 12 Dec 2011 20:37 UTC-06:00 (126 KB) Page 3 of 3 - From 102481 to 129590 - Newest posts at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER: WELCOME SUNELA Lcyoganow: hi, Lourdes here AKTATTER: BUT THE LARGE RING JOINS TWO PICOTS ON THE SIDE SunelaT: Hi G, sorry am late AKTATTER: NOTE THE RED DOUBLE LINES AKTATTER: THE DIAGRAM WAS NOT PERFECT SO YOU NEED TO MARK IT TO SHOW TWO PICOTS JOING AKTATTER: THE OUTER ROW OF CHAIN JOINS TO THE JOIN BETWEEN THE LARGE RINGS AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? AKTATTER: THE FINAL PHOTO WHITE WITH 5 PINK ARMS? IS NEEDLE WEAVING AKTATTER: IS EVERYOEN FAMILIAR WITH NEEDLE WEAVING ? lamazona: then should tat out ring first, and then make center? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/weave/needleweavetat.html AKTATTER: YES THE CENTER IS DONE LAST yumatatter: we call it teneriffe lelia joined the chat 42 minutes ago AKTATTER: WELCOME LELIA lelia: hello all, just home AKTATTER: NOW ON THE THE SECOND LIEBERT PATTERN Cynthia: I think so but it has more spokes than the others but it is workable I think lamazona: sorry i'm just stepping out, will be back in 7 minutes. Cynthia: okay,,,see you when you get back AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/emmyliebert/elbk2fig50pg29reprintpg117.pdf SunelaT: K Cynthia: I think it is Tuesday about lunch for Jihyun... picotsnkeys: my "stolen" time is up. See you all later picotsnkeys left the chat 41 minutes ago AKTATTER: THIS PATTERN IS A WIDE EDGING WITH MIGNONETTE Rosemarie: I can't stay any longer. Have a happy holiday, everyone. See you next year. :) yumatatter: looks like you can vary the number of outside rings in order to create the center you want Cynthia: and she has to get her son from school yumatatter: I did that with an ornament I made AKTATTER: YES YOU CAN BE CRETIVE WITH IT ANITA yumatatter: with a similar pattern Cynthia: what I like about tatting....we can create from a basic pattern that we like but it needs some differences added lamazona: i'm back. yumatatter: quick 7 minutes ;) AKTATTER: FREE DOWNLOAD http://www.archive.org/details/cu31924058822986 lamazona: :) AKTATTER: OK THIS EDGING NEW MODEL WAS PREPARED BY OUR OWN SUNELA THOMAS AKTATTER: TAKE A BOW SUNELA lamazona: so, the cluny use needle instead of shuttle. SunelaT: Yup...Tara SunelaT: Meant tada AKTATTER: \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\ SunelaT: This was a good one to TAT.... AKTATTER: CLUNY CAN BE DONW WITH EITHER SHUTTLE OR NEEDLE YES Susan: some times AKTATTER: THIS WIDE EDGING BEGINS WITH A HEADER AKTATTER: THE HEADER IS THAT PART WHICH ATTACHES TO THE CLOTH Susan: or by hand with out either yumatatter: I use the shuttle for clunys AKTATTER: THEHEADER HERE IS THE DOUBLE ROW OF OPPING RINGS AKTATTER: OPPOSING RINGS AKTATTER: THIS IS A FAMILAR PATTERN WE HAVE ALL SEEN AKTATTER: IF YOU LOOK AT THE IDAGRAM AKTATTER: YOU CAN FOLLOW THE HEADER BY STARTING AT RING A AKTATTER: RW AND DO RING B AKTATTER: ING B SIDE YOU MTY DO IN REVERSE ORDER DOUBLE STITCHES AKTATTER: IF YOU WANT THEALL FONRT/BACK SIDE LOOK AKTATTER: THEN RING C JOINS TO RING A RING D JOINS TO RING B AKTATTER: OK SO FAR? Paule: yes lelia: yes, ok - (Sunela is a star!!!) Cynthia: everyone know what frontside/backside tatting is and how we do it? SunelaT: Thanks Lelia AKTATTER: THEN THE NEXT ROW IS THE START OF THE MIGNONETTE AKTATTER: THIS IS ONE SHUTTLE ONLY AND THE TINRY RINGS JOIN TO THE MIDDLE PICOT OF THE B SIDE RINGS AKTATTER: REPEAT THIS MIGNONETTER ROW ONCE SunelaT: I used a picot gauge for doing the mignonette AKTATTER: THE FOURTH ROW HAS THE MIGNONETTE COMBINED WITH ONION RINGS Cynthia: good idea Sunela AKTATTER: THAT IS A GOOD TIP SUNELA AKTATTER: IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE SAME LENGTH BETWEEN THE MIGNONETTER RINGS FOR IT TO LOOK GOOD Paule: You mean do ring A and then AKTATTER: SO THE ROW BEGINS WITH RING A IN THE TINY RINGS AKTATTER: YES PAULE AKTATTER: RW LEAVE BARE THREAD SPACE AKTATTER: THENTAT RING B THE INNER RING AKTATTER: FOLLOW THAT RIGHT AWAY AKTATTER: NO RW AKTATTER: WITH THE OUTER RING AKTATTER: BTW Bernice: k AKTATTER: IF YOU LEAVE A TINY.... (HORROS i SHUDDER) GAP) IT WILL HELP THE OUTER RING CLOSE BETTER AKTATTER: THE RW AND REPEAT THE TINY RING Cynthia: it just takes a tiny soace tho and it usually stays hidden for the onion rings SunelaT: I realized that I should have left a gap after I was done with the onion ring AKTATTER: AGAIN THIS OUTER RING WILL JOIN TO THE PREVIOUSE ONE BY TWO PICOTS Paule: ring A space then ring A again then go to ring B and B again... AKTATTER: NO yumatatter: I'm not very good with either Mignonettes or onion rings Paule: no? AKTATTER: RING A RW RING B INNER RING THEN RING B OUTER RING RW AKTATTER: REPEAT AKTATTER: IT IS HE SPACE BETWEEN THE RINGS THAT COUNTS THEMOST IN MIGNONETTE ANITA AKTATTER: NOTE THAT THE OUTER RING IN ONIONRINGS IS 2-3 TIMES LONGER THAN THE INNER AKTATTER: THIS ONION RING SET IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS THAT WE HAVE DONE AKTATTER: BECAUSE THE INNER RING DID NOT JOIN TO THE OUTER RING AKTATTER: SUNELA WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT WE CHANGE IT AND MAKE THE TWO RINGS JOIN? AKTATTER: THE COLOR SUNELA CHOSE FOR THIS WAS BRILLIANT Paule: oh! you were speaking of the onion rings! And I was speaking of the mignonnettes rings! AKTATTER: AER THERE QUESTIONS ON HOW TO DO THIS ONE? pysankylover@yahoo.com: k AKTATTER: AH OK PAULE SunelaT: I like that idea G Paule: Can we go bsack to the mignonnette? SunelaT: Turquoise blue is one of my favorites. It is size 10. Paule: I am not sure I understand... AKTATTER: I BETTER IT WOULD BE LESS FLOPPY MAYBE NEATER IN THE LONG RUNG AFTER WASHING ETC. Cynthia: I love the blue...and I can see it on a round necked shirt that would give it a definite focal point AKTATTER: THE LAST ROW PAULE? Bernice joined the chat 26 minutes ago Paule: the first AKTATTER: WB BERNICE, NEED VELCRO :) AKTATTER: THE HEADER? Paule: The first little ring A AKTATTER: OK THE FIRST LITTLE RING A IS LOCATED NEXT TO THE NOTRE ONTHELEFT SunelaT: It definitely was less floppy by joining the inner and outer ring. It was a little hard to do the center join though AKTATTER: THE NOTE SAYS = EQUALS TWO PICOTS JOINED AKTATTER: THAT IS THE STARTOF THE ROW AKTATTER: TINY RING 2 + 2 CLR (THIS RINGS JOINS TO THE SPACE BETWEEN TWO RINGS ON THE PREVIOUS ROW) Lcyoganow left this message 25 minutes ago: im taking off now. bye now AKTATTER: BYE FOR NOW Cynthia: Georgia I think the question is in the mignonette rows...it is a bit confusing to me too...3 A rings then it is a bit confusing AKTATTER: OK AFTER TRIG A IS CLOSED RW AND MEASURE OUT THE LENGTH OF BARE THREAD SPACE SAY 1/2" AKTATTER: OK BUTLOOK EACH ROW HAS RING A RING B RING C ETC AKTATTER: THAT IS ONE ROW AKTATTER: THE NEXT ROW STARTS AGAIN WITH RING R BING B RING C Cynthia: each row is done separately then...at least the first 2,,,right? AKTATTER: THERE ARE 4 STEPS IN THIS PATTERN AKTATTER: FIRST IS THE HEADER, TWO LINE OF OPPING RINGS AKTATTER: THEN THERE ARE TWO SEPAREATE LINES OF MIGNONETTE Paule: ok so far AKTATTER: THEN A DOUBLE ROW WITH MIGNONETTE ON THEINSIDE AND THEONION RINGS ON THE OUTSIDE Paule: ah! AKTATTER: OK SO FAR? AKTATTER: AH GOOD Cynthia: got it...trying to read and follow I got lost AKTATTER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONSON THIS ONE AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TOSUELA FOR THE NEW MODEL AND TO JANE FOR THE DIAGRAM AKTATTER: WELCOME MARY pysankylover@yahoo.com: k AKTATTER: LETS TURN NOW TO THE WORK OF HELEN FREE AKA "ENFYS" Cynthia: yes once I got the flow it made sense...Thanks to them and you too SunelaT: You are welcome G AKTATTER: ENFYS SHARE A BIT OF HISTORY OF CROCHET TATTING, CROTAT WITH US SunelaT: I gotta go pick up my daughter from dance. Bye everyone! AKTATTER: http://www.enfys.me.uk/crotat-history-tutorial.htm AKTATTER: BYE SUNELA GinaS: bye suneal :)( thanks! SunelaT left the chat 19 minutes ago AKTATTER: ABOUT A DECADE AGO WE STUDIED CRO TAT IN CLASS ALSO AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/crotat.html AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/crotat2.html AKTATTER: eNFYX GIVE US SOME PHOTOS OF THE HOOK USED, A CROCHET TYPE HOOK ALSO CALLED A BULLION HOOK AKTATTER: IT IS STILL AVAILABLE FROM LACIS.COM AKTATTER: THE BULLION HOOK IS THE SAME DIAMETER SHANK FROM END TO HOOK AKTATTER: ANNIE ATTIC USED TO HAVE THEM HOOKS ABD BOOKS BUT CARRIED LITTLE NOW AKTATTER: http://www.freepatterns.com/content/content.html?content_cat_id=337&type_id=S yumatatter: It looks very similar to needle tatting to me AKTATTER: YES IT IS VERYING SIMILAR TO NEEDLE TATTING EXCEPT FO THE CLOSING OF THE RINGS AKTATTER: PLEAS TURN THE TO FREE BOOK GIVEN TO US BY ENFYS AKTATTER: http://www.4shared.com/document/6HeRMah7/How_to_Crotat.html GinaS: also the wooden hooks usually have the same diameter shank ... like brittany AKTATTER: IF YOU HAVE NOT PRINTED IT YET BRING IT UP ONTHE SCREEN TO FOLLOW ALONG AKTATTER: YOU SEE THE SIMILARITY TO NEEDLE TATTING RIGHT ON THE FRONT COVER AKTATTER: WE ARE FAMILAR WITH THIS TECHNIQUE UP TOA POINT AKTATTER: TEH HOOK BRINGS THE CORE THREAD BACK THORUGH THE RING TO GET IT CLOSED AKTATTER: TURN TO PAGE 11 PLEASE AKTATTER: WHERE ENFYS REFWERS TO MAKING STRINGS Paule: they asked me to pay something to get the file AKTATTER: WE WOULD CALL THAT A SELF CLOSING MOCK RING lelia: use the 'slow' and no pmt needed lelia: took 20 seconds to download AKTATTER: YES DO THE SLOW Paule: thanks AKTATTER: IT IS ONLY A FEW SEECONDS ANYWAY AKTATTER: BUT THE MOST INTRIGUING PART OF THE BOOK I FOUND WAS ON PAGE 14 lelia: this is awesome - i didn't know what it was (before now) AKTATTER: HERE ENFYS HAS INTRODUCED A SECOND COLOR INTO THE RING AKTATTER: IT IS A SEPARATE THREAD HUNG ONWITH A LUGGAGE TAG LOOP AKTATTER: AND ONE END USED TO WRAP THE DS AKTATTER: THIS IS QUITE UNIQUE GinaS: I tried doing that with shuttles AKTATTER: WHEN DONE SHE JUST BRING THE THRAD TO THE BAK OF THE WORK OUT OF ACTION AKTATTER: DID IT WORK GINA?? AKTATTER: NEXT LOOK CLOSELY AT THE 5 RING FLOWER AT THE TOP OFPAGE 15 GinaS: the only way I could think of was to do one color then do the cc like you dosplit rings, don't flip AKTATTER: BETWEEN THE RINGS YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN THREAD GOING FROM RING TO RING GinaS: all that did was make a purple ring with a yellow "hat" Cynthia: interesting idea Gina...we need to play with that some AKTATTER: THERE AREN'T EVEN ANY JOINS THAT i CAN SEE GinaS: I also tried it using two separate threads wrapped around hand GinaS: that was interesting but not right AKTATTER: WHAT IF WE USED THAT SECOND THREAD TO THROW OFF LITLE RINGS, EXTRA PICOTS LONG OR SHORT? AKTATTER: ENFYS DOES NOT ADDRESS THE CHAIN IN THE BOOK BUT THERE IS AN ALL TATTED CHAINPOSSIBLE AKTATTER: MOST CRO TATTERS JUST MAKE A CROCHETED CHAIN BUT MARY IS A MASTERCROTATER AND FIGURED IT OUT AKTATTER: http://www.reocities.com/mountainhome1999/ AKTATTER: THERE ARE TWO VIDEOS WHICH EXPLAIN THE CHAIN GinaS: but I found out you can do two rings at the same time independent of each other AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS? GinaS: not that there would be a huge *need* for that information AKTATTER: SIMILAR TO TWO BOBBINWORK GINA? AKTATTER: A BIT OF EYE CANDY http://madtatter-madtatter.blogspot.com/2011/10/little-christmas-angel.html?spref=fb&mid=55090 GinaS: I've never done two bobbin work AKTATTER: AND PLEASE VISIT Liv Øyen Strind http://nupereller.no/ WHO TATS WITH HUGE THREAD GinaS: so I don't know AKTATTER: ANNE BRUVOLD HAS MADE A VIDEO DEMONSTRATING TATTING WITH THICK THREAD ALSO AKTATTER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBXHqRKuyxg AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/2bobbinshtl/sherong2bobbinshtlhowto.html AKTATTER: HERE ARE A COUPLE OF PRETTY SNOWFLAKES http://csipke-csoda.blogspot.com/2011/12/14-motivum-elso-sajat-tervezesu-hopihe.html AKTATTER: AND OUR NEWER TATTERS WILL WANT TO SAVE THIS PHOTO AKTATTER: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninettacaruso/6289552896/ Paule joined the chat 5 minutes ago GinaS: it would be nice if she shared that pattern or her design process AKTATTER: IT SHOWS SEVERAL BEAD PLACEMENTS IFYOU CANNOT PRINT IT OFF THEN EMAIL THE PHOTO TO YOURSELF AND YOU CAN SAVE IT TO YOUR COMPUTER AKTATTER: SO WE HAVE COME TO THE END OF 12 YEARS ONLINE AKTATTER: THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE Cynthia: three cheers for GEORGIA as without her we wouldn't have this chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lelia: thx so much. i've learned a lot! AKTATTER: I WISH YOU ALL A SAFE AND HAPPY HOLIDAY GinaS: E on sheron's page is what I was trying to do but failed Cynthia: A big THANK YOU to you too Georgia... lelia: Enjoy the holidays ; ) AKTATTER: AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE GENEROUS VOLUNTEERS WHO SHARED THEIR TIME AND TALENT WITH US, CYNTHIA AND GINA FOR THE BEGINNERS CLASS TOO ADN ANNE AND THE SPANISH CLASS HELPERS TOO no1nct: sorry I had to run. Thanks for the class. GinaS: 3 cheers for georgia! no1nct left the chat 2 minutes ago Cynthia: Everyone enjoy the holidays and lets all make the winter a SAFE one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Drive carefully AKTATTER: I'LL SEE YOUBACK HERE SAME TIME SAME PLACE JANUARY 16, 2012 AKTATTER: HAPPY TATTING AND GOOD NIGHT AKTATTER left the chat 119 seconds ago lelia left the chat 112 seconds ago GinaS: me? Cynthia: Thursday is the last beginner class of 2011.... Cynthia: Yes you are an awesome helper too! lamazona: this thursday? GinaS: wow yumatatter: Oops, I missed telling Georgia good night.... was talking to Bernice Goodnight everyone! Have a wonderful, safe holiday! Bernice: Thanks for the class.....Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to ALL! Cynthia: yes Jihyun Thursday in the USA but Friday in Korea if I remember correctly lamazona: Merry Christmas and happy new year to all yumatatter: See those of you in the designer class tomorrow night! ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com