The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Jan 12 02:36:59 2010 GMT (156 KB) Page 1 of 4 - Char 1 to 51218 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER from x.x.x.42 cleared the room 7 hours ago AKTATTER from x.x.x.42 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: Welcome to the 11th year of the online tatting class http://www.georgiaseitz.com/ http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/2010index.html AKTATTER: Jan. 11, 2010 afternoon needle tatting session begins in 10 minutes Winkerbill from x.x.x.166 joined the chat 7 hours ago Winkerbill: hi! Elipand from x.x.x.73 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: 5 minutes AKTATTER: Hello Elaine AKTATTER: Hello Steph AKTATTER: welcome back to class! Winkerbill: hi Georgia Elipand: Hi Georgia.Hi everyone. Tatteristic! from x.x.x.39 joined the chat 7 hours ago Winkerbill: thanks....although I'm in the delinquents' corner, at least for this one....not needle tatting, I've got my shuttle Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: that's ok Steph Winkerbill: also armed with a whole POT of hot tea..... Cynthia: Hi Wink, Elipand, and Georgia! Winkerbill: got to keep the fingers warm! Winkerbill: hi Cynthia! Tatteristic!: Hi Everyone! Happy New Year! AKTATTER: welcome Cynthia Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday dear Cynthia, Happy Birthday to you :) Elipand: Hello Cynthia AKTATTER: welcome tat Winkerbill: hi Elaine Cynthia: brb getting the class info...and Georgia I think I have several of the files Winkerbill: hi ....tatteristic AKTATTER: great Cyn Elipand: Hello Cynthia: Thank you AK lovely voice Winkerbill: is it your b-day? Winkerbill: happy birthday! CLAU from x.x.x.18 joined the chat 7 hours ago Cynthia: I' now--as of yesteday--60 and Beth said an over the shuttle tatter....lol CLAU: hi girls CLAU: nice to meet you again!! Elipand: I am so anxious to see the project of today. Winkerbill: hi Clau Winkerbill: hmmm...you look more like 30 to me. :-) AKTATTER: welcome claudia CLAU: hi georgia!! picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: aer there any needle tatting questions? Elipand: Do we have male tatters here- or all of us are ladies AKTATTER: melanie is that you? CLAU: happy birthday cynthia!!! Winkerbill: i think i'm learning a lesson the hard way - NEVER tat with thread that's about the same color as your fingertips. AKTATTER: we have many male tatters in class but not today as yet Winkerbill: Got this dusty rose colored thread, really tiny stuff....and I can't SEE it when I go to make joins Winkerbill: hi Melanie picotsnkeys: Hi everyone. Yes, it's me! AKTATTER: put a pure white cloth behind your hands steph it might help it stand out AKTATTER: good job on the grad test doily, the rings are much improved picotsnkeys: birthday greetings a day late, Cynthia! AKTATTER: have you got it handy? AKTATTER: look at the center round ring picotsnkeys: Thanks for the encouragement Georgia. Yes, I'm staring at it. Winkerbill: ooh, thanks Georgia! Tatting with that tiny thread for Mark Myers wedding lace, I wore lots of black pants....helped me see it better....but didn't think of contrasting the rose colored thread with white! AKTATTER: my photo shows the cloverleaf at 2 o'clock position in awkward position, is that just a chain or is the ring partial covered up? krystledawne26 from x.x.x.188 joined the chat 7 hours ago soluranne from x.x.x.147 joined the chat 7 hours ago Winkerbill: hi Krystle and Anne soluranne from x.x.x.147 changed name to AnneBr 7 hours ago picotsnkeys: I'll go take a look at the photo again. Rosemarie from x.x.x.232 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: a contrasting color work cloth really is an aid to reducing eye strain AnneBr: Hi All! AKTATTER: welcome krystle, anne Rose Rosemarie: Hi everyone Winkerbill: hi rosemarie Elipand: Are you seeing each other or image AKTATTER: this is the needle tatting portion of the online tatting class until the hour picotsnkeys: Hi Anne and Krystle AKTATTER: Eliane, melanie sent her in gras test piece for critique. picotsnkeys: It is just a ring covered up AnneBr: I'll be quiet until ordinary class starts AKTATTER: the graduation piece is available for any needle tatter who feel ready to move to the next step AKTATTER: we share the photos by email or online Elaine Winkerbill: i'll try to be quiet, too....i'll tat til the regular class starts....that should keep me quiet. ;-) AKTATTER: ok good so this time you got all 5 cloverleafs done krystledawne from x.x.x.188 joined the chat 6 hours ago Tatteristic!: :) picotsnkeys: I'm having a bit of a difficulty deciphering the pattern (sheepish grin) Elipand: When you can I would love to receive those photos AKTATTER: and you wondered about the RW in the cloverleaf which has the split ring in it? picotsnkeys: yes, didn't make sense AKTATTER: ah Elaine, this is a test, you only get the directions without a photo without a diagram and you have to figure it out on your own, then scan your work and send to me then you get to find out if you passed! picotsnkeys: in my limited experience, a cloverleaf is done without any reverse work AKTATTER: ok put the center ring before you with the split ring on the side farthest from you AKTATTER: you have just closed the split ring with sh1 picotsnkeys: and since I don't own a scanner, Georgia has to squint at my photos Elipand: Ok, when you can would you give the site for the instructions.Thanks in advance AKTATTER: it is now in position to take shuttle one and tat the first side ring AKTATTER: close that ring picotsnkeys: uhhhh shuttle or needle???? Rosemarie: k AKTATTER: then you are ready to take up shutle 2 to throw off the ring on the opposite side, but doing that will make a twist at the bottomk of that ring when closed and it may be awkward to make any possibly needed joins Elipand: K AKTATTER: thus rw make the ring and tat it in reverse half stitch order, to make it look all front side up when done then rw again AKTATTER: which bring you back into position to begin a chain picotsnkeys: so, I wrap the final ring of the cloverleaf with the tail end? Tatteristic!: k AKTATTER: type your emai laddress for me Elaine I will email it now Elipand: irmeezo@inbox.com AKTATTER: yep so be sure you have enough tail for it and any other split rings/chains Mary_(Engineer-ND) from x.x.x.114 joined the chat 6 hours ago Raelara from x.x.x.22 joined the chat 6 hours ago picotsnkeys: if my tension is ok, I may just untat to the round 1 split chain and try again. Becky from x.x.x.149 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: welcome mary and jenni Becky: Hi Becky: Thank you Ak AKTATTER: sorry mel I am so used to saying shuttle 1 and shuttle 2 do this or that Mary_(Engineer-ND): Hi All, - I';; be quiet until shuttle class Raelara: glad to be back!!!! CLAU: hi mary, jenny CLAU: hi becky AKTATTER: hi ya Becky good to see you AKTATTER: me too that was one long break Becky: Good to be back Elipand: I got -thanks. krystledawne: Ok I'm officially here! Chatzy was being weird....then of course once I tell everyone that I'm headed to tatting class, they all need something lol AKTATTER: ok mel I did find an error, that chain you work up tot he last picot should be the next to last picot, but having errors in patterns is something we find frequently so it is good that you were able to spot the error Tatteristic!: k AKTATTER: teach them first aid Krystle and have plenty of cookies onhand to keep everyone quiet so yo can come to class picotsnkeys: ah....that makes sense. I'll try to finish it this week. AKTATTER: now mel was there another question? CLAU from x.x.x.18 changed name to clau 6 hours ago picotsnkeys: yes, round 2. The first join is NOT to the split chain but the NEXT chain???? krystledawne: Cookies...! I should have thought of that Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 6 hours ago Barb: Rats! I couldn't get into Chatzy. clau: hi barb Winkerbill: k Barb: Hi everyone AKTATTER: the split ring brings you out to the next round, when it is closed you chain over and the join then is tot he chain on the right of where you climbed out, not the split chain segment krystledawne: Me either Barb., I had to tell it to send me a password and then it was fine Rosemarie: k AKTATTER: hey bara, try login with full registration after a long absence Raelara: we talking about the pattern for the lesson today? AKTATTER: are there any general needle tatting questions? AKTATTER: this is still needle tatting for 9more minutes picotsnkeys: that makes sense also. Now just to finish, photo, and send to you for comment. AKTATTER: ok question for needle tatters, what does the instruction "switch shuttles" mean to a needle tatter? Winkerbill: i don't think I hold the needle with a death grip, but if I needle tat for ....a couple hours or so....my hand hurts a lot the next day.... Winkerbill: am I holding the needle too tight? Barb: Krysal I had to totally reboot my computer to get on. Had to try several times before Chatzy site would even open up. Elipand from x.x.x.73 joined the chat 6 hours ago Tatteristic!: k AKTATTER: the tension is much improved and the ring size is more regular also, those decorative picotrs can be any ize you want don't be bashful with them krystledawne: That's not cool! Elipand: I got cut and I am back again picotsnkeys: switch shuttles means to use the tail end threaded through the eye of the needle?? Winkerbill: Chatzy let me in just fine, but it didn't remember me....i had to do the full login AKTATTER: the metal of the needle makes my hand sore also, it does give or warm to the touch like wooden shuttles do Barb: I was thinking the smae thing picotsnkeys. Switch to the eye end thread? AKTATTER: that could be so but it maight also mean you need a second needle as in throwing off floating rings Winkerbill: hmmm...i wondered about that....even the shape of my hand holding a needle is different from the shape holding a shuttle.... clau: no idea picotsnkeys: I have to be careful not to hunch my shoulders so my wrist works right. Winkerbill: thanks. AKTATTER: my finest needle is bowed badly Tatteristic!: not sure how to use two needles Barb: Yes like when you do the purl stitch AKTATTER: yes and be sure to shake out your wrists and shoulders frequently too and look up from your work and focus on something far from you to relax your eyes Becky: at least it was not chewed by the puppy clau: purl stitch? Raelara: two needles isn't too hard ... but I still prefer my shuttles Tatteristic!: would you use two needles if you want different colors? Raelara: working on a series of musical tatting AKTATTER: tat is takes a lot of effort to use the two needles but it is worth it, we'll do another lesson on it clau: im with you jenny.. i like shuttles Winkerbill: i do too jenny Barb: I like needles best. Don't really care for shuttle too much. AKTATTER: yes tat you need two threads two needles Becky: do you need 2 of the same size needles to do this Rosemarie: k Gretta from x.x.x.191 joined the chat 6 hours ago krystledawne from x.x.x.188 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: for info on advanced needle tatting please join Roger's group http://needletatting.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=howtomakeadoublepicot&action=display&thread=29 AKTATTER: register for free Roger is master needle tatter Tatteristic!: he has a lot of great info AKTATTER: welcome gretta Mary Jane Brittingham from x.x.x.177 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: welcome majb Barb: clau might be called pearl stitch. I can't remember and for some reason my mail where I have the links is messing up too. Tatteristic!: still going through stuff on his site and learning while I go clau: hi gretta, mary jane picotsnkeys: I think I'll complete this doily and then focus on the TAT stuff Rosemarie from x.x.x.232 joined the chat 6 hours ago Mary_(Engineer-ND) from x.x.x.62 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: me too tat I'm learning more these days than I ever thought clau: ok, barb Mary Jane Brittingham: Hello clau" krystledawne: Mee too Picot! I just pulled out my notebook Rosemarie: Oops - I got lost in the internet AKTATTER: welcome back mary Gretta: Hi all krystledawne: what phase are you on? nstitcher from x.x.x.90 joined the chat 6 hours ago Becky: hi AKTATTER: be sure to type ok or k to let the computer know you are still active in the room picotsnkeys: just sent off the first level....waiting for comments clau: k Tatteristic!: k Raelara: k nstitcher: hi mjb from x.x.x.177 joined the chat 6 hours ago krystledawne: oooh. cool! I'm hoping to get my phase one sent off by the end of the month mjb: I didn't like the long name Mary_(Engineer-ND): Hi - Power Issue - I've got it resolved krystledawne: I want my pin so I can wear it to shuttlebirds lol Tatteristic!: Krystle, phase one of what?? nstitcher: . krystledawne: Tatters Across Time (TAT) krystledawne: it's a shuttle proficiency program Rosemarie: k Tatteristic!: oh, I was thinking about doing that this year. how do you like it? Raelara: ooh Raelara: interesting. never heard of it Raelara: url??? Elipand: k krystledawne: http://tattersacrosstime.org/ AKTATTER: http://www.tattersacrosstime.org/ clau: dont know about that Cynthia: hi I was searching for Georgia's missing files and I know I have 2 the first one and the last one from the list Georgia...I probably also have all the gr8 ones krystledawne: I like it, the mjb: I did the proficiency program., do you get a pin? picotsnkeys: like all curriculae, it's a bit fussy on some parts, but I need all the help I can get! krystledawne: the first phase was hard to finish just because it was kind of boring in parts..... picotsnkeys: Anne got her pin, right? AKTATTER: we have 8 minutes of open chat before the regular online tatting class begins krystledawne: I'm really excited ot do part 2 Barb: k AKTATTER: would you like to see a video? http://www.palmettotatters.org/aboutus.shtml Raelara: wow ... $40 ... not sure I can afford that right now Raelara: It would be cool though krystledawne: yeah, I'm trying to get some Etsy sales so I can afford phase 2 Cynthia: lots of us can't right now but we ca always save our pennies.... krystledawne: I need to dye some more thread picotsnkeys: yes, I had to be disciplined and cook dinner a few times I would rather have eaten in restaurants! Barb: It' too bad they charge for it. We get the lessons here for free. And that's a good price. LOL Raelara: I'm planning on starting a store ... I need to create some inventory first AnneBr: Yes, completed the apprentice stage krystledawne: The cost covers the notebook and materials, as well as the cost of mailing it. when you complete it, it goes to three evaluators. picotsnkeys: same here, just need to carve time to test tat the design ideas I've had! Tatteristic!: sounds like a great way to improve on our skills AnneBr: Haven't started the second yet - but have got the binder with the projects. krystledawne: and the cost of the pin. It's a non profit. Dorcas Ann from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 6 hours ago Mary_(Engineer-ND): I'm also going to be working on TAT - Apprentice Phase I Elipand: What is the web address for the lessons for this group? krystledawne: http://tattersacrosstime.org/ mjb: Hello Dorcas Ann Rosemarie: k Becky: ; picotsnkeys: Hi Dorcas Ann Cynthia: Elipand did you mean the ongoing class? AKTATTER: 5 more minutes Elipand: yes krystledawne: oh sorry krystledawne: lol Mary_(Engineer-ND): I have just started reading and doing the first step AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/2010index.html mjb: Dorcas., did you have more snow this morning krystledawne: Excellent Mary! Dorcas Ann: Hello, MJB and picotnkeys AKTATTER: the main class website is http://www.georgiaseitz.com krystledawne: I am finishing the last project, and I need to go back and do the written examples as well AKTATTER: the beginners class http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/mimi/html/index.html picotsnkeys: mignonette looks so cool, but so hard! Tatteristic!: I love the topics we're going to cover this year! Dorcas Ann: We had a lot of snow about an hour ago but it didn't stick and it has now stopped Elipand: Thanks AKTATTER: welcome dorcas you bargain hunter you! mjb: sure was pretty when it was coming down. Raelara: . Cynthia: I just found it AK...LOL my duaghter refiled everything and I'm still searching for stuff...LOL I know whe just combined it so it made sense to her when she was updating everything...LOL AKTATTER: i am looking forward to the beads esp bugles and sequins we saw so many unusual sequins last year at that fancy website AKTATTER: did anyone view the video? Tatteristic!: Yep, this is going to be fun krystledawne: I don't care for bugles. Sequins will be cool thogh Barb: K Cynthia: the mignonette isn't as hard as you think.... Dorcas Ann: in real life if I want it I buy it then so I don Mary_(Engineer-ND): I'm going to try the Mignonette stitch Practice mentioned in Handkerchief url - on the center ring how many doubles between 11 picots Tatteristic!: what video? Dorcas Ann: don't take a chance it is gone picotsnkeys: will have to wait until after I leave Chatzy or I'll get bumped :( clau: k Winkerbill: k Rosemarie: k mjb: Congrats Georgia., on your award AKTATTER: ok are we ready?? clau: ready Cynthia: sure... Mary_(Engineer-ND): k Tatteristic!: sorry, I found the mention to the video Becky: ' mjb: ready AKTATTER: (OH BLUSH) wasn't that so sweet, thank you :) Winkerbill: yes, congrats! Tatteristic!: yes, but you SOOO deserver it! AKTATTER: WELCOME TO THE 11TH YEAR OF THE ONLINE TATTING CLASS Raelara: you deserve it! AKTATTER: JAN. 11, 2010 clau: cloelo@gmail.com, claludia meza, argentina AKTATTER: THE AFTERNOON SESSION OF THE REGULAR ONLINE CLASS Mary_(Engineer-ND): Congratulations - You definitely deserved it!! AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN Gretta: Gretta Wilhite, Crane Hill, Alabama AnneBr: Congrats! Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson, Stillwater OK USA, brasthatfit@yahoo.com shuttle with some needle clau: congrats georgia !!! Winkerbill: Stephanie W. in western North Carolina USA Dorcas Ann: Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN, USA mjb: Mary Jane Brittingham., Santa Claus., Indiana usa AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA Tatteristic!: Terri Loren, San Diego, California USA, tatteristic@gmail.com krystledawne: Krystle Pyette krystledawne@gmail.com Puyallup WA USA AnneBr: Anne Brvuold, Tromsø, Norway, solurab @ online.no Mary_(Engineer-ND): Mary Baumler, Fargo ND, MaryReneeEng@gmail.com picotsnkeys: Melanie Cervi aka picotsnkeys @ yahoo.com AKTATTER: THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH, IT WAS A LOVELY TREAT :) Rosemarie: Rosemarie Weber, Baltimore, Maryland, USA, rweb53@verizon.net Barb: Barb Grainger Canby Oregon, USA sonsery@aol.com needle mostly some shuttle Elipand: elipand Manchester,TN irmeezo@inbox.com Becky: Becky T. Maine thesportsmanswife@hotmail.com Raelara: Jenni Sherriff San Lorenzo, CA, USA raelara@gmail.com nstitcher: nina richardson, denver co nstitcher@gmail.com AKTATTER: OK PLEASE PRINT UP OR PUT ONSCREEN Jenny from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 6 hours ago Jenny: Hi sorry I'm late clau: not so late jenny AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/jbandmignonette.html Jenny: Jenny Griffin Northampton UK Cynthia: sign in we just got to that... AKTATTER: welcome jenny mjb: k clau: k AKTATTER: FIRST I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT JUDI BANASHEK LIVES! Raelara: , AKTATTER: JUDI IS THE AUTHOR OF AT LEAST THREE BOOKS AKTATTER: IMPECCABLE TATTING AKTATTER: ADVANCED TATTING TECHNIQUES AKTATTER: AND MODERN MIGNONETTE AKTATTER: SHE HAS MOVED TO TEXAS TO BE NEAR KIDS BUT SEND GREETINGS TO ALL OF US AKTATTER: SHE HAS GIVEN PERMISSION FOR HER WORK TO BE USED AS A TEACHING TOOL IN CLASS Barb: k clau: thanks to judi AKTATTER: I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU ACQUIRE ALL OF HER BOOKS, BUT ADV TAT TECH IN PARTICULAR AKTATTER: I HAVE DISPLAY THE COVERS FOR YOU, THE DESIGN IS THE SAME BUT THE COVER COLORS DO CHANGE OVER TIME picotsnkeys: k AKTATTER: MANY THANKS INDEED Mary_(Engineer-ND): How can they be purchased? AKTATTER: JUST EMAIL ME i WOULD BE HAPPY TOMAKE A GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL ORDER Becky: k krystledawne: I see it called Advanced tatting patterns some places......same book? AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK AT THE BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO OF THE MIGNONETTE LACE AKTATTER: YES IT IS THE SAME BOOK AKTATTER: THERE ARE REVIEWS POSTED FOR THESE BOOKS TOO I BELIEVE IN THE REFERENCE LIST nstitcher: k Rosemarie: k Elipand: Question: is there technique in tatting for decreasing (like in decreasing in crochet) as I noticed that the design looked like a doily circle and when you want to turn it into purse it has to be gathered at the top.But in the design I do not see her doing that AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/reviews/reflistindex.html AKTATTER: YES YOU CAN BOTH INCREASE AND DECREASE IN THE MIGNONETTE AKTATTER: TO INCREAS YOU MAKE ADDITIONAL JOINS IN THE SAME BARE THREAD SPACE Raelara: how? AKTATTER: TO DECREASE YOU REDUCE THE JOINS IN THE SAME BARE THREAD SPACE AKTATTER: NOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THE BASIC CONSTRUCTION OF THE MIGNONETTE AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM AKTATTER: CLICK IT TO ENLARGE IT OR PRINT IT OUT AKTATTER: MIGNONETTE CAN BEGIN WITH A LARGE PICOT ON ONE RING TO WHIC picotsnkeys: k AKTATTER: ALL THEOTHER RINGS JOIN nstitcher: where is it found? clau: k AKTATTER: BUT THAT IS NOT VERY STURDY METHOD AKTATTER: WHERE IS WHAT FOUND NSTICHER? Winkerbill: i'm afraid I went a little nutty with mignonette the last few months.....discovered I coudl tat ANYTHING for a small center, then go around and around with mignonette until it was big enough to cover a bun on the back of my head. Barb: k Cynthia: the pattern.... Becky: ' AKTATTER: RIGHT ALL YOU REALLY NEED IS A PLACE TO WHICH TO ATTACH THE FIRST ROUND OF RINGS AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/jbandmignonette.html Tatteristic!: k nstitcher: the diagram to print out... I did print out the hanky edging one, and a basic mignoette stitch on the first page Winkerbill: got bun covers in almost every color of the rainbow plus white...some beaded, some not. ;-) and I was gonna CUT the hair this year. Guess I'm gonna keep it long for a while so I can wear all those bun covers. ;-) AKTATTER: SO THIS EXAMPLE BEGINS WITH A ROUND CENTER RING Teresa from x.x.x.123 joined the chat 6 hours ago Mary_(Engineer-ND): ' clau: k Teresa: i apologize for being so late AKTATTER: THE RING HAS 5 PICOTS AND YOU CREATE A MOCK PICOT FOR A 6TH PICOT AND EXIT THE RING AKTATTER: YOU ARE MOST WELCOME ANY TIME :) AKTATTER: LATE COMERS BE SURE TO SIGN IN AKTATTER: NOTE THE MOCK PICOT IS INDICATED IN RED Teresa: Teresa Isbell (tisbell320@yahoo.com) Lena IL. (shuttle) AKTATTER: THAT MEANS THAT A LENGTH OF BARE THREAD IS LEFT ON BOTH SIDES THE SAME LENGTH OF THE REAL PICOTS Jenny: k AKTATTER: THEN YOU WILL TAT THE SPLIT RING Elipand: k AKTATTER: OH OH SPLIT RING TAKES 2 THREADS WHAT DO WE DO? nstitcher: k krystledawne: one shuttle though, krystledawne: use a really long tail and fingertat? AKTATTER: LEAVE A VERY LONG TAIL krystledawne: or a second shuttle? picotsnkeys: SSSR ala Anne's dragon? mjb: sssr ? AKTATTER: AND FINGER TAT IT OR SURE YOU COULD PUT IT ON A SHUTTLE BUT WHERE;S THE ADVENTURE IN THAT ? LOL Winkerbill: i like to wind a really REALLY long tail on a 2nd shuttle....then if I run low on one shuttle, I can use SH 2 to keep going without a knot. Dorcas Ann: Mary Jane! what have we been doing each day? Raelara: . krystledawne: I thought about that but the SSSR wouldn't git us around properly I don't think AKTATTER: YOU NEED THE TAIL LATER AnneBr: sssr=single shuttle split ring, but here you'd need an ordinary splitring Winkerbill: I fill 2 shuttles CTM when I do that. mjb: Dorcas. SSSR nstitcher: k Tatteristic!: k AKTATTER: OK LEAVE A BARE THREAD SPACE YOUR PATTERN TELLS HOW LONG AKTATTER: TAT ANOTHER RING ATTACHING TO THE PICOT OF THE CENTER RING mjb: You could use the second shuttle like Jane does on her new ITIAS AnneBr: You need the tail for "SR" between rows? mjb: TIAS AKTATTER: LEAVE ANOTHER BARE THREAD SPACE AND REPEAT AROUND krystledawne: yes Anne AKTATTER: RIGHT ANNE clau: it is an ordinary split ring georgia? Cynthia: k AKTATTER: THE AST BARE THREAD SPACE WILL BE JUST HALF THE LENGTH OF THE OTHERS AKTATTER: USE THE TAIL TO MAKE THE OTHER HALF OF THE BARE THREAD SPACE Elipand: k Jenny: Won't the long tail get in a tangle if it is not on a shuttle? AKTATTER: USING THE SHUTTLE BEGIN THE SPLIT IRNG Barb: K picotsnkeys: how clever! Becky: ; AKTATTER: USE THE TAIL TO DO THE WRAPPING ON THE SPLIT RING AKTATTER: WHICH BRINGS YOU INTO THE NEXT ROW AKTATTER: NOW YOU INCREAS Tine Vedder from x.x.x.171 joined the chat 6 hours ago clau: ok AKTATTER: BY ATTACHINGF TWO RINGS IN THE SAME BARE THREAD SPACE AND CONTINUE ARROUND AKTATTER: WELCOME TINE! Tine Vedder: Hello all Elipand: Ok I got it AKTATTER: I HAVEN'T FOUND IT TROUBLE SOME JENNY BUT TRY IT FIRST TO SEE Teresa: k Raelara: . AKTATTER: PATTERN FOR JUDI'S EXAMPLE: Winkerbill: jenny the tail doesn't need to be yards and yards long....unless you're doing something really HUGE Becky: k I have not done split rings for a while forgot how nstitcher: k AKTATTER: BARE THREAD SPACE = 1/8" IN FINE THREAD, LARGE IN LARGER THREAD Tine Vedder: I am late my PC could not find the page Barb: Question about the Diagram??? It shows a circle with a line through the middle of it for the split ring. Is this the normal way to diagram a split ring? AKTATTER: CENTER RING 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 CLOSE RING MOCK PICOT Winkerbill: you could probably make do with a couple yards of "tail" ....and that's probably hugely over-guesstimated. JaneEb from x.x.x.221 joined the chat 6 hours ago Winkerbill: hi Jane! AKTATTER: THAT IS COMMONLY USED FOR A SPLIT RING WHICH IS DIVIED IN HALF Barb: Tine some of us have had the same problem today. I missed most of the needle class because of it. Tine Vedder: Hi Jane AKTATTER: BUT SPLIT RINGS CAN BE OFF CENTER ALSO AND MAY SHOW A SLANTING LINE OR JUST BE MARKED AS SR Barb: A split ring that is divided in half? ? JaneEb: hi all - sorry I'm late!!! Tatteristic!: .. Teresa: hello Jane Tine Vedder: Thanks Barb Barb: oh ok got it. Thanks.. mjb: Hello Jane Raelara: hey Jane!! Rosemarie: Hi Jane AnneBr: Hi Jane! Barb: So if it's off center then you'd do a slanted line. Awesome. I've been wondering about how to draw an off center split ring. Thanks! Cynthia: diagrammed that way it shure is easy to tell which one is the split ring AKTATTER: ROUND 2 SPLIT RING 2 / 2 BARE THREAD SPACE (bts OR FTS) mjb: Jane. Love the TIAS ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Jan 12 02:37:37 2010 GMT (156 KB) Page 2 of 4 - Char 51219 to 102696 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER: GLAD THAT HELPS! Barb: Yes Cyn. I really like that. AKTATTER: JANE YOU ARE A GENIUS WITH THAT TIAS AND I AM GETTING SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT SHOULD BE BUT I KNOW NOTHING!!! picotsnkeys: me too! mjb: I am ready for day 4 JaneEb: Send them to me, Georgia. I SHOULD know the answers - in theory!!! Barb: Thanks Georgia. You just made my day with that line through the split ring thing. I was trying to draw up a diagram and didn't know how to designate the split rings. Wahoo! AKTATTER: RING 2 (JOIN TO NEXT PICOT IN CENTER RING) 2 CLOSE RING BTS AKTATTER: REPEAT AROUND AKTATTER: WOW GLAD TO HELP BARB!!!!\ Tine Vedder: m JaneEb: Day 4 will be Wednesday. I need days when I've got space to keep up with it all myself!! Barb: :) Tine Vedder: Very nice Jane Teresa: ;) nstitcher: what is tias? Raelara: still need to tat day 3 Raelara: just tatted a quarter note, though Teresa: tat it and see Tine Vedder: tat it and see Rosemarie: k Tatteristic!: .. krystledawne: there goes our topic lol........... AKTATTER: EXIT THAT ROUND WITH THE SPLIT RING AND NEXT ROUND JOINS TWO RINGS Barb: k AKTATTER: TO EVERY BTS Tine Vedder: m AKTATTER: NOW FOLLOW THE PATTERNS DS COUNT WHEN IT GIVES IT Barb: what does BTS mean??? AKTATTER: OR YOU CAN REALLY MAKE UP YOUR OWN krystledawne: do we have more patterns available ith mignonette? AKTATTER: BARE THREAD SPACE AKA FREE THREAD SPACE Elipand: k Raelara: it looks so easy when you see it diagrammed ... AKTATTER: THERE ARE REALLY FEW EXCEPT FOR JUDI'S BOOK Tatteristic!: .. AKTATTER: BUT I HAVE LISTEDSOME EXAMPLES Raelara: I will have to work on some mignionette patterns. Easy quick way to tat up stuff to sell clau: k Cynthia: lots more....in Judi's book and also Rita Cochrain's Thistle Do Pin...I know I still have a copy AKTATTER: LET'S LOOK AT http://www.georgiaseitz.com/mignon/mignonreview.html Raelara: antique books often have mignionette patterns in them krystledawne: Hmm. I was thinking a mingonette doily perhaps.....there might be some in Treasure chest... AKTATTER: YOU SE SAUNDRA'S LITTLE BAG? krystledawne: now that I think about it. Winkerbill: i have a few reprints of thread company pattern books that have mignonette patterns in them. picotsnkeys: I have some pearl beads I tried to use for a bun cover. It didn't work......didn't know the beading technique I needed to use. I can't wait to try this with them! AKTATTER: IT HAS MIGNONETTE AND BUGLE BEADS O NTHE BARE THREAD SPACES! AKTATTER: BABY BONNEETS USED IN THE OLD DAYS TOO Winkerbill: discovered you HAVE to block and press anything with mignonette (except the bun covers, which get sort of "blocked" every time I wear one. Tine Vedder: a nice bag Raelara: I may have to try making some of those winker! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/mignon/ginamauve.jpg A BAG BY GINA BRUMMET Teresa: nice, with the bugle beads AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/mignon/ginamauve2.jpg krystledawne: you mean Gina butler? Raelara: wow!!!! Winkerbill: very simple - use a small tatted center that has maybe 24 picots on the outer edge, then the next row start doing mignonette....and on the next row after that, put 2 rings in each of the bare thread spaces from the round before....then keep going and going until it fits your hair. ;-) Barb: Those are awesome! I love that they aren't flat work AKTATTER: GINE BRUMMET THREADS OF A TATTING GODDESS AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/mignon/mignonette.html krystledawne: ok, one of the pics says gin abutler AKTATTER: THIS HANKY WAS FOND BY KATIE AND WE USED IT FOR A LESSON INCLASS nstitcher: when I click on the finished bag, I get taken to a web page that says home.net,,, not a finished bag Barb: Georgia..how do you keep the thread lengths between rings consistant? Do you use a gage or? clau: nice bags!!!! AKTATTER: THERE IS A GINA BUTLER ALSO I HOPE IT DID NOT TYPE IT WRONG AKTATTER: OH THERE IS A GREAT TRICK TO THAT BARB Tine Vedder: m AKTATTER: TAKE A PIEC OF CARDBOARD LIKE A FLOSS WINDER krystledawne: yeah the first bag pic AKTATTER: FROM THE EDGE MEASURE BACK ALONG ONE SIDE THE LENGTH YOU WANT THE BARE THREAD SPACE TO BE Barb: Yea, same thing happened to me nstitcher AKTATTER: MAKE A NOTCH krystledawne: must be a broken link Cynthia: or a closed site AKTATTER: PUT THE RING IN THE NOTCH AND STRETCH THE RING THREAD ACROSS THE WINDER TO THE EDGE OF THE CARDBOARD AKTATTER: USING THAT AS YOUR PINCHINGPOINT BEGIN THE NEW RING Elipand: k AKTATTER: AND BE CAREFUL TO NOT PULL TOO HARD WHEN CLOSING THE RINGS clau: k AKTATTER: YOU WANT THEM ALL TO HAVE THE SAME SIZE HOLE INTHE CENTER Barb: Awesome! Thanks Georgia Cynthia: ta da you are so far thinking AK I used a ruler and measured the first time I did it,,,, Winkerbill: sometimes if I'm being lazy I take a fine-point sharpie and make 2 dots on my finger.....measure the thread space that way. Tatteristic!: Fantastic! Thanks! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/xmas/ AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE FIFTH STOCKING DOWN Winkerbill: 1st dot is where the ring ends, 2nd dot is where the 1st DS in the next ring starts Mary_(Engineer-ND): Sounds like exactly what I need - Fantastic! picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 5 hours ago Teresa: pretty clever Raelara: cool idea winker ... then you don't have to deal with paper/cardboard AKTATTER: LOL CYNTHIA THAT WAS MERELY THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE SPAEKING BTDT AKTATTER: RIGHT STEPH clau: wow, nice work AKTATTER: THAT EDIGING ON THE STOCKING WAS GREAT Raelara: gorgeous Tine Vedder: m vingerhoedjes from x.x.x.247 joined the chat 5 hours ago vingerhoedjes: hello everione Tine Vedder: Hi Marco Barb: Great idea Wink! Rosemarie: k AKTATTER: lAURA BLANTON HAS A MIGNONETTE CENTER POSTED http://laurasmuse.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html Winkerbill: after you make the dots, wash your hands - just to make sure the ink won't rub off on your thread....and you have to work ...um...gently so you don't pull anything too much AKTATTER: WELCOME MARCO GLAD TO SEE YOU vingerhoedjes: first of all happy ne year for all of you!!!!! Tatteristic!: .. Winkerbill: hi Marco! vingerhoedjes: hello aktatter vingerhoedjes: hi winkerbill Cynthia: k Teresa: k vingerhoedjes: just got home from my sports evening Tine Vedder: Marco did you enjoi th e sport JaneEb: Hi Marco Barb: That's so pretty Elipand: k vingerhoedjes: so i just read and look tomorrow for the tatting AKTATTER: THIS MORNING PATTY DOWDEN SENT IN SOME MIGNONETTE SAMPLES AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/pdowdenmignonette.jpg Rosemarie: They're all very pretty vingerhoedjes: nice vingerhoedjes: yes thank you tine Barb: Awesome. Love the colors too. krystledawne: I've seen thoss before.....somewhere AKTATTER from x.x.x.42 joined the chat 5 hours ago AKTATTER: LOOK AT EXAMPLE 1 Barb: Georgia, is there anything different that a needle tatter would do? Or is the procedure the same? picotsnkeys: k AKTATTER: IT IS A 6 RING FLOWER Raelara: seems like it would be pretty much the same Cynthia: same Barb AKTATTER: BARB I MUST CONSIDER THAT A MINUTE Tine Vedder: yes Barb: k AKTATTER: THE MIGNONETTE RINGS JOIN NOT ONLY TO THE PICOTS ON THOSE 6 RINGS BUT ALSO TO THE SIDE JOINS BETWEEN THE RINGS NEAT IDEA Tatteristic!: .. Cynthia: just be sure to leav the spaces long enough. It workd wor me Raelara: I like example 2 ... celtic mignionette Barb: thanks Cyn and vedder AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT 6 THE RINGS ARE LINING UP IN SPOKES! Winkerbill: i thought that one was really cool looking Becky: .' Cynthia: lots of neat ideas to play with on this Rosemarie: k AKTATTER: CHECK OUT SANDRA EICHELBERGER'S MIOGNONETTE EDGING ON A BRIDAL HANKY, HER SIS TER I THNK clau: k AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/sandraehankyfinishedmignonette.jp g Barb: split rings I assume or? Tine Vedder: m Raelara: Yeah, I like these examples AKTATTER: IN PROGRESS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/sandraehankyfinishedmignonetteop en.jpg Winkerbill: ooh, that hanky is lovely! Tatteristic!: It's beautiful! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/sandraehankymignonettecornerrow2.JPG Tine Vedder: not for using Teresa: wow- love the bridal hanky AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/sandraehankymignonettecornerrow3.jpg Becky: just intime for my dau wedding Becky: :) Barb: Georgia do you sell the hanky blanks? I know handy hands does, but if you sold them it would be great if we supported you and your site. :) Elipand: k Tatteristic!: Do you know if Sandra tatted the edging directly to the hankie? AKTATTER: THANKS BARB THAT IS KIND OF YOU AND I WILHAVE SOME SPECIAL HANKY BLANKS THIS SPRING BUT ALL SOLD OUT TODAY Tine Vedder from x.x.x.171 changed name to Tine 5 hours ago vingerhoedjes: y Tine: k Barb: Wonderful! Just be sure to let us know when you get them in. :) Raelara: I still wish there was a list somewhere of things you sell ... I have a hard time thinking of things I want, but If I saw a list I would end up buying quite a lot Teresa: k AKTATTER: IT LOOKS LIKE IN PHOTO 2 THAT IT IS TATTED INTO THE SPOKES OF THE HANKY AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/ptinneymignonette1.jpg Tine: y Cynthia: k so would many of us Raelara Winkerbill: Marco, what does 'vingerhoedjes' mean in English? vingerhoedjes: thimbles Gretta from x.x.x.191 joined the chat 5 hours ago Tine: Marco oei vingerhoedjes: i collect thimbles Winkerbill: oh, cool! AKTATTER: this EAMPLE IS BY GENTLEMAN TATTERT PAT TINNET Tatteristic!: I was trying to figure out how to attach an edging to a burp cloth Barb: I really like the tatted rings in the center. They seem to anchor the rest of it. That is really pretty AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/ptinneymignonette2.jpg AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/ptinneymignonette3.jpg Tine: m AKTATTER: SEW IT ON TAT THAT WAY WHEN THE CLOTH WEARS OUT YOUCAN REUSE THE TATTING ON SOMETHIGN ELSE Tatteristic!: Thanks. That's a great idea. AKTATTER: NUMBER SHOWS THE INCREASING CLAERLY Tine: y Becky: ' Cynthia: k Elipand: I see that Teresa: k mjb: l Raelara: ; AKTATTER: AS FINE AS PAT'S WORK IT THE LAST PHOTO DOES SHOW WHAT HAPPENS picotsnkeys: k Tine: m nstitcher: . AKTATTER: IT THE BARE THREAD SPACE IS NOT EXACTLY ALIKE IN LENGTH vingerhoedjes: were are you from winkerbill? AKTATTER: IF YOU ENJOY THIS LOOK Winkerbill: southern USA AKTATTER: THERE IS A HUGE DOILY AVAILABLE BY SOUTH MAID Barb: Yes, two rings on one loop = increase. Correct? vingerhoedjes: oooo thats far away Cynthia: yes but some need 3 rings Winkerbill: i have a friend in ....hope i spell it right....Enschede Tine: far for walking vingerhoedjes: yes that is correct JaneEb from x.x.x.221 joined the chat 5 hours ago Winkerbill: wb Jane Barb: Cool vingerhoedjes: hello jane JaneEb: Sorry, closed the tab by mistake - blame brain cell number 3 nstitcher: . vingerhoedjes: are you sure its number 3?? haha Becky: ' Tatteristic!: brain cell #3 gets you in a lot of trouble doesn't it? hee hee mjb: thought you went out to play in the snow JaneEb: Ah good point. Maybe number 206!!! Barb: You have three Jane.. Wow.. My one cell gets over worked a lot. LOL AKTATTER: LOL YES ITHINK SO Raelara: lol AKTATTER: RIGHT BARB AKTATTER: BARB ABOUT YOUR EARLY QUESTION, SOMETHING IS TEASING MY MIND ABOUT CLIMBINGOUT WITH THE TATTING NEEDLE, PLEASE EMAIL AFTER I DO SOME EXPERIMENTING Winkerbill: it's not #3 that gets Jane in trouble. #1 and #2 are the ones that think up all the mischief, then they convince #3 to DO it. AKTATTER: OK QUESITONS ABOUTMIGNONETTE? Rosemarie from x.x.x.232 joined the chat 5 hours ago Winkerbill: Poor #3 can't turn away from a dare.... Tine: no Raelara: nope ... just need to try some Barb: Ah ok Georgia. no hurry. I may not get to this technique for a while. Tatteristic!: nope, just need to practice picotsnkeys: with needle tatting, you'd have 2 bare threads per section. Would that be a problem? Raelara: somewhere in the midst of the designing surge I am in Jenny: I have seen old patterns use Josephine rings but is it pasible to do a split jr? AKTATTER: WHY WOULD THERE BE TWO THREADS MEL? krystledawne: you could always dare I say, cut and tie with needle clau: no question right now Elipand: k Becky: can i get the site to do split rings vingerhoedjes: . Winkerbill: oh, last week I was SO upset! It was cold here - REALLY cold....kept looking up places online trying to make myself feel warmer, and discovered it was warmer in Norway and in England and in Alaska (Anchorage) than it was here AnneBr: You'd have to make true rings when needle tatting Barb: Before class today I thought that this technique was pretty but it was intimidating. Now it doesn't seem so hard. :) Thank you Georgia. :) picotsnkeys: The core thread through the eye of the needle and the wrap thread from the ball. I think???? Barb: Thank you AnneBr Teresa: k Winkerbill: it was colder where Georgia lives, though....and colder still in Sweden....so after that I quit looking and felt sorry for the poor cold people in those places. nstitcher: is this good on only bags, and bridal hankies? AKTATTER: JENNY IT IS POSSIBLE BUT IT SEEMS STRANGE THAT YOUR WOULD CLIMB OUT THROUGH A JK RING HAVE YOU SEEN SUCH A PATTERN? Mary_(Engineer-ND): Should have been in Red River Valley - Fargo USA- Winnepeg Canada - it was in deep freeze Tine: Winkerbill I have forgotten your real name picotsnkeys: that makes more sense Anne. AnneBr: It is raining in Tromsø now - rather warm (just above 0C) Jenny: No. I have only seen Josephine rings in old patterns with cut and tie AKTATTER: KRYSTLE PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS A FAMILY ROOM, NO THREE LETTER WORDS HERE PLEASE AKTATTER: LIKE GASP! CUT AND TIE! krystledawne: Lol Barb: nstitcher. I think I've seen it on old clothing too. But not sure picotsnkeys: lol Winkerbill: didn't think to look in ND...figured Alaska would be the coldest I'd get in the US....then couldn't remember any cities except Anchorage. ;-) Cynthia: lots of ways to use them nstitcher...pins, earrings, doilies, scarves, mitts AKTATTER: HMM MEL I THINK YOU WOULD NOT BE USING THE BALL JUST A CUT THREAD HMM I NEED TO PONDER THIS Tat Pat 1 from x.x.x.95 joined the chat 5 hours ago krystledawne: should I gloat about my rainy 48 degree weather? Winkerbill: ummm....Georgia....might we remind you....umm..."tat" is a 3- letter word AnneBr: LOL vingerhoedjes: haha picotsnkeys: lol nstitcher: today in denver we hit 48 degrees Winkerbill: wind chill here one day last week was 13....temp was 22 and VERY windy..... Mary_(Engineer-ND): Yes -- happy it was above 0 AKTATTER: OH RATS! SO IT IS!! ROFL mjb: k clau: jaja Raelara: ROFLOL Cynthia: just for the 3rd brain cell? Barb: Barb holding ears because of the 3 letter word.. oh my!!! LOL Tatteristic!: Sorry to tell you but it's 82 degrees in San Diego right now... Winkerbill: and this is the American south....I don't even OWN clothes warm enough for that sort of weather. Mary_(Engineer-ND): that's fahrenheit not celcius Teresa: yikes! AKTATTER: OK LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS?? AKTATTER: HEY DIDN'T ANYONE SEE THE VIDEO?? http://www.palmettotatters.org/aboutus.shtml Teresa: on the 3 lettered word and Barb holding here ears...;) lol Winkerbill: We got snow on Dec 18, and some of it is STILL here....(normally it's completely gone in a day or two ....three days at the most) Raelara: I think we are about 60 right now Becky: split ring web site to make them Tine: no questions Barb: we have a warm 45 degrees right now. Where's the sun tan lotion. Actually, it's overcast.. Raelara: that sound right Mel??? Mary_(Engineer-ND): How do you hide your tails? AKTATTER: I SAW FROZEN ORANGES IN FL ON THE NEWS TODAY Winkerbill: we're expercting a 'heat wave" later in the week....upper 40s, maybe even up to 50 Barb: I bookmarked the video, will watch it later. clau: basic tatting video g? Winkerbill: i saw the frozen oranges....with icicles hanging between them....too Rosemarie: k AKTATTER: IN THE LAST RING MADE BY USING THE MAGIC LOOPS OR LILY'S WAY OF SEWING IT IN picotsnkeys: yeah, but it's overcast, so feels cold! Tine: we have -4 celcius now Elipand: that will be next week here Winkerbill: wind makes it feel worse, too. AKTATTER: YEP WITH A FEW VARIATIONS OF HANDS ANF MOVEMENTS Tine: k Mary_(Engineer-ND): What's Lily's Way? Barb: Oh no. Those poor farmers who might lose their crops. Barb: Picots are you in the NW too? Winkerbill: in the Christmas Angels & other patterns book (Monica Hahn) i just remembered - there are 3 collars in that book, all 3 of them use mignonette in the collar. They're gorgeous clau: i think i saw it before... i like it picotsnkeys: besides, we've got another "spare the air" day, so no fire in the fireplace :( Raelara: she is about 30 minutes south of me Cynthia: Lily's way is a way of hiding the ends...I'll find the link nstitcher: will this evening class cover this too?> Raelara: yeah ....JOY picotsnkeys: Bay area CA Winkerbill: aren't you two in California? Southern CA? Raelara: HATE spare the air days AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/fall2001/MagicThread.PDF Raelara: northern CA Barb: Awww.. Portland Oregoin area for me Winkerbill: oh....so it gets chilly there.... Raelara: little chilly ... not too bad Tatteristic!: .. Tat Pat 1: TATERISTIC --Are you close to Chula Vista? I have a tatting group that meets here. AKTATTER: LILY picotsnkeys: yeah, for some reason, nobody insulates outside walls to houses here. Can we say DUH Cynthia: http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/lilys_way.html AKTATTER: WAY http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/lilys_way.html Raelara: better go ... I smell a stinky bottom Rosemarie: What are Spare the Air Days? krystledawne: Ok I need to go feed the troops if I am to be allowed to return next week krystledawne: so long! Tatteristic!: Tat Pat, yes but I think you meet on Mon during work, don't you? AKTATTER: OK THIS CLAS REPEATS TONIGHT AT 8PM eT FOR NEEDLE TATTING AND 8:30PM ET FOR THE REGULAR ONLINE TATTING CLASS Barb: Bye Krysaldawne Mary_(Engineer-ND): Thanks for links - I had seen both before just forgot picotsnkeys: Don't know how long it would take for me to get to Chula Vista. I live in San Jose area. Do you know? AKTATTER: THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR STOPPING BY Winkerbill: hehhee...bye jenny Tatteristic!: Tat Pat, we exchanged threads in Dec. Cynthia: AK would the missing links--LOL be better as a pdf or html for you? Raelara: air pollution so bad that they say not to leave the house ... and it's illegal to have fires on those days AKTATTER: THANKS TO JUDI AND ALLTHOSE WHO SHARED THEIR WORK WITH US Rosemarie: Thanks for the class - Bye All AKTATTER: HTML clau: thanks g!! for the class and judi!!! Barb: thank you georgia for the class :) Elipand: Thank you AKTATTER: PDF EATS UP TOO MUCH SERVER SPACE mjb: thank you Georgia nstitcher: thank you picotsnkeys: thanks Georgia. I'll be trying this next after the doily! AKTATTER: BYE FOR NOW AND HAPPY TATTING ALL! Cynthia: Or I could put them in notepad... Tatteristic!: thank you Winkerbill: i'd better go - Tine: Georgia thanks for class clau: bye alll girls!!! AKTATTER: HTML WILL BRING THE PHOTOS WITH IT Winkerbill: thanks for everything Georgia Winkerbill: bye everyone nstitcher: bye AKTATTER: YOU AR EMOST WELCOME Winkerbill from x.x.x.166 left the chat 5 hours ago Tine: By all till next time Teresa: thanx Georgia Gretta: Thanks AnneBr: Thank you, Georgia! Jenny: Bye Georgia and thanks Teresa: bye Becky: Georgia can I get the site for the splitring before you go I have not done this in a while and forgot :( Jenny from x.x.x.14 left the chat 5 hours ago Tat Pat 1: Tatteristic, are you Terri? AKTATTER: split ring shuttle or needle? Cynthia: awesome class again. Tatteristic!: Tat Pat, yes, I just changed my screen name to match my blog Becky: shuttle please AKTATTER: beginners class on thursday 3 and 9 pm et Tatteristic!: Tat Pat, I'll email you again and say Hi AKTATTER from x.x.x.42 joined the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: Becky do you have the link for the beginners? I'm reasonably shute it is in there... Tat Pat 1: OK erri AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/SplitRings.pdf Tat Pat 1: OK Terri AKTATTER: bye now AKTATTER from x.x.x.42 left the chat 5 hours ago Tat Pat 1: Bye for now. Tatteristic!: see you all next week! Mary_(Engineer-ND): Thank you!! Cynthia: lesson 5 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/mimi/html/index.html Cynthia: See everyone next week unless they stop by tonights class. Peace and have a safe week from the over the shuttle tatter (I'm 60) LOL vingerhoedjes: sorry i have to go already vingerhoedjes: by for now AnneBr: 60 years and one day, Cynthia? vingerhoedjes: ee you all soon Barb: Wahoo! A new decade for Cyn.. Barb: I'm 61 and 2 months Barb: lol Barb from x.x.x.12 left the chat 5 hours ago picotsnkeys: I feel 65 today. Spent way too much time on my feet yesterday! AnneBr: Busy days Melanie? picotsnkeys: Hand bell festival. Several hours of standing and ringing. Fun, but I'm really sore. Guess I should walk more??? Barb from x.x.x.141 joined the chat 5 hours ago picotsnkeys: Just found Chula Vista on the map. It's a bit of a poke for me....about 8-9 hours driving. Guess I'll have to wait to visit. AnneBr: Hm - might be hard for the ears too - even though it sounds nice Barb: oops. was just trying to bookmark the site. sorry.. bye again Barb from x.x.x.141 left the chat 5 hours ago AnneBr: Sorry, my eyes are getting smaller - off to bed soon. AnneBr: Bye all! AnneBr from x.x.x.147 left the chat 5 hours ago picotsnkeys: bye Anne...good to see you again vingerhoedjes from x.x.x.247 left the chat 5 hours ago picotsnkeys: I'm off too. See you soon! Mary_(Engineer-ND): bye Mary_(Engineer-ND) from x.x.x.62 left the chat 5 hours ago Denise from x.x.x.95 joined the chat 108 minutes ago Denise: Hello everyone. mariaalcan from x.x.x.199 joined the chat 105 minutes ago mariaalcan: >Heloo evrubody nice starting this great year 2010 mariaalcan: i will be back in a few minutes...se you! AKTATTER from x.x.x.75 joined the chat 99 minutes ago AKTATTER: Jan. 11, 2010 evening session needle tatting Barb from x.x.x.141 joined the chat 97 minutes ago Barb: Hello :) AKTATTER: hello Barb Barb: Hey Georgia! Are we the only ones right now? AKTATTER: yes we are all alone and feeling blue :( Barb: Awww. I'm sorry.. AKTATTER: got a question to keep me thinking? mariaalcan: I am back.... Barb: We might have another lady join us in a few weeks. She has to take her computer in to get it fixed but after that she may join us. Barb: Wahoo! It's a party now. :) AKTATTER: ah welcome Maria, I still need your mailing address for your block AKTATTER: always glad to welcome another tatter mariaalcan: my block???? Barb: Yes, she's a beading friend of mine and I kept telling her how much I enjoy the classes and so she is thinking of trying it soon. AKTATTER: I never keep the addresses I receive in the registratiion for privacy reasons ,just long enough to register them and comply with the regs. so I have to keep asking mariaalcan: here???? AKTATTER: OHHHH I thought you were o nthe volunteer list for the quilt block? mariaalcan: noooo... mariaalcan: i donīt know how to do it AKTATTER: oops I wonder which Maria is was then, gosh, I've forgotten AKTATTER: the block is already done the tatter just decorates it with tatting and embroidery etc. Barb: Maybe ask on NSAN Georgia mariaalcan: donīt worry she will appear.... Barb: Oh really? You've already made the block? Barb: I've been thinking about doing it, but I didn't know if I'd have time to do a block and decorate it too. Barb: Maria, are you new to needle tatting? AKTATTER: ye the blocks are all done mariaalcan: only to be sure....in needle tatting aftera ring and a chain you make a knot??? mariaalcan: i am a shuttle tatter....I am learning or changing tecnics AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/quilt/adoptablock.html Barb: Awesome. AKTATTER: if working from the ball thread after each ring and each chain do the tie, like tying a shoe lace Barb: I knew a little about needle tatting. And then I found this group. And now I'm learning so much and also learning shuttle too. mariaalcan: G is a great teacher!!°!°!!! AKTATTER: i am a traditional shuttle tatter but i learned needle tatting early on Barb: Yes she is. :) AKTATTER: needle tatting allows us to use fat, fluggy textured and metallic fibers which are difficult to use on the shuttle AKTATTER: needle tatting also makes beaded tattating easier AKTATTER: thanks Maria mariaalcan: but if you are tattin with two needles you do it? AKTATTER: maria if the patternn calls for 2 or more threads, then I automaticaly do shuttle tatting AKTATTER: but other experience needle tatters say that it is no harder to do two needles than two shuttles mariaalcan: but what about the tieing them? Barb: I've played with two needles, but so far, all I've done is just make samples of the stitch. I've never finished a project with two needles. Barb: Georgia. I played with doing split rings with two needles and two balls. It was quite interesting. Barb: Do we have a subject tonight? Or are we just asking questions or? AKTATTER: needle tatting is open to questions or pattern help just ask Barb: I was trying to figure out a better way to do split rings than to just keep unthreading all the time. AKTATTER: in needle tatting there is no other choice that I know about Barb: It worked, but it was a little fiddly. I'll try it again. Barb: And make good notes and let you know how it goes. mariaalcan: I prefer shuttles, but reading the needle info ...i understan ? to tie after each element....???? AKTATTER: Roger's NT website has a great expanation of mignonette for NT http://needletatting.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=howtomakeadoublepicot&action=display&thread=30 ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Jan 12 02:37:57 2010 GMT (156 KB) Page 3 of 4 - Char 102697 to 153712 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Barb: I'm fairly new to this but sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. AKTATTER: yes Maria, you slide the ds off the needle, slip the needle thru the loop held back on your hand, then pull out all the slack AKTATTER: it is just like a shuttle tatter would do to make a self closing mock ring Barb: Oh. I thought she was talking about doing the shoe lace trick. AKTATTER: then you rw and make the tie and begin the chain mariaalcan: thanks G....... thing are easier for me with shuttles but ....i have to learn needles too Barb: I like his site. AKTATTER: the tie is the shoe lace trick used in shuttle tatting AKTATTER: http://needletatting.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=howtomakeadoublepicot&action=display&thread=29 AKTATTER: that page shows how to throw the floating ring in needle tatting AKTATTER: if it is all one color then only one needle is needed Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 81 minutes ago AKTATTER: but two color work means two needles Mary_(Engineer-ND) from x.x.x.62 joined the chat 81 minutes ago AKTATTER: welcome cyn you youngster you AKTATTER: hi ya Mary Mary_(Engineer-ND): Hi All, Mary from North Dakota Cynthia: Hi Georgia...I found 4 maybe 5 of the list. --just us little kids playing on the computer... AKTATTER: here is another photo layout of one color floating ring in NT Mary_(Engineer-ND): Georgia, I would be interested in contributing to the quilt block project. Is there something I can do? Cynthia: I can send them as a doc but not html...I can't get them to convert. Would it be easier to just printthem out and mail them? AKTATTER: thanks so much Cyn I will get them posted tomorrow AKTATTER: no send the doc, i'll convert it thanks AKTATTER: why yes you can help Mary! Barb: Link Georgia? AKTATTER: isn't that funnyBarb, Maria, I was looking for a Maria just a moment ago to help out and here is a Mary volunteering! mariaalcan: mary is here!!!!!!!! you find her G. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/float/throw2.html Cynthia: I'll send what I have...If it is too big let me know and I'll send it 1 at a time. The only 2 I don;'t have--at least I haven't found is the heartland valley one... AKTATTER: will lyou emai lme your snail mail address please Barb: I was thinking of doing one for you too Georgia. :) Do I need to send information to you via email or? AKTATTER: Mary your block is #88 on this page http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/quilt/adoptablock.html AKTATTER: email is better then it is private and easily erased from computer Barb: thanks AKTATTER: your block will be #81 on that page Barb thanks so much AKTATTER: Cynthia your 2 blocks are inthe mail Cynthia: thank you Georgia. I'll keep looking for the rest of the info...it should be hiding in my computer or at least in a notebook all printed out... Mary_(Engineer-ND): Great, I'll send you email later with info - also want the books by Judi and maybe a couple others Barb: Thanks. :) There are no numbers on the blocks. How do I tell? And you send it to me? Cynthia: Ineed the prices on Judi's books...then I'll know how many I can afford... AKTATTER: Barb the numbers are tiny column one second block down on left AKTATTER: great if we make a group order it will be a little cheaper for the class :) Barb: oh cool AKTATTER: $15 $20 $12 AKTATTER: imp adv mignon plus postage Liz_ from x.x.x.57 joined the chat 72 minutes ago AKTATTER: Mary your block is column two 5 th blcok down in middle rwo Barb: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/quilt/adoptablock.html AKTATTER: welcome liz mariaalcan: I go with cynthia...I want the 3 G...but my postage will be ?? Liz_: Hello. Happy New Year everyone. Barb: I'm sorry Georgia. I'm not seeing the numbers?? What am I missing? AKTATTER: they are typed across the block very tiny Mary_(Engineer-ND): Georgia, Does someone have 87? I wouldn't mind doing them both and making them similar Mary_(Engineer-ND): The numbers show up as black text on the blocks when I look at them - try zooming the page - (ctrl ) AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/quilt/qblock81.jpg Mary_(Engineer-ND): zooming is two key combination ( ctrl key and plus key) Cynthia: I have pattern notations in lesson 1 I can scan and send....now we are down to just the aribbon2 AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/quilt/qblock88.jpg Cynthia: thank you Mary I had to copy and paste to get the numbers...nice trick to know AKTATTER: cyn you have qblock94.jpg and qblock97.jpg Sherong from x.x.x.234 joined the chat 69 minutes ago jess.S from x.x.x.125 joined the chat 68 minutes ago Mary_(Engineer-ND): also if you want to go smaller it's ctrl key and minus key Barb: thanks :) Cynthia: thanks Cynthia: Georgia those are beautiful! AKTATTER: oh thanks Cynthia: I'll figure out something awesome for those... Liz_: . AKTATTER: Rich and sewed 100 quilt blocks for the fundraiser AKTATTER: it was our first experience at making quilt blocks AKTATTER: we have had a couple of tatters drop out because of health reasons so I still need helpers Denise from x.x.x.95 joined the chat 66 minutes ago mariaalcan: g i donīt like to embroid....sorry AKTATTER: sure I will include 87 for you Mary thanks so much Mary_(Engineer-ND): I'll do some playing around and then have you send me the blocks. mariaalcan: . jess.S: when do the blocks have to be finished? AKTATTER: no problem Maria we are aming for tatting but embroidery is just a great decoration for crazy quilt blocks AKTATTER: Hi ya Jess! June 1, 2010 is the deadline to return to me Cynthia: Some days I need a keeper to help me run the computer....now I know 2 new tricks control plus and control minus ta da AKTATTER: open chat continues 6 more minutes Cynthia: sorry I'll go back to my corner,,,, jess.S: you need helpers for that or something else? Mary_(Engineer-ND): I think I might try tatting with some of my silk ribbon AKTATTER: wow wway to go, I learned cellpadding last week and thought I was a genius!! Sherong: And control 0 puts it back to normal AKTATTER: we still have several blocks that need to be adopted jess if you are interested Liz_: . jess.S: might be.... a self confidence boost would maybe help.... is there a page to find out more info? jess.S: i missed some of the chat Cynthia: wow I don't have to do minuses back! now I'm in trick overload.... Cynthia: Jess it is doing some tatting to add to quilt blocks as a fund raiser Barb: cell padding? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/quilt/adoptablock.html Cynthia: send some quick Barb.... AKTATTER: blocks 76 and 78 need adopting, column 2 second down from top, column 3 on right first block Denise: I don't think I'm ready for that. Mine would be ugly AKTATTER: < table cellpadding="20" > jess.S: well, i am no expert denise, just would like to help :) AKTATTER: that is whta the command is without the spaces after and before < > AKTATTER: 20= the distance Beadweaver from x.x.x.122 joined the chat 60 minutes ago Sherong: Hope showed a way to attach tatting to something that didn't involve sewing at Palmettos. Was going to write directions up but has not so far. Maybe if AK asks her? AKTATTER: welcome bead! Cynthia: Denise you would do good. We are always our own worst critic too! AKTATTER: hi ya denise Beadweaver: hi Barb: Cynthia.. send some what quick??? Liz_: hi AKTATTER: sheron i am glad to see you here, my isp is complaing about the size of the atq booklets i will need to so some downsizing, she suggest coverting from pdf which makes huge files to html which is smller in size what do you think? AKTATTER: sure i will ask her Denise: I haven't yet tried to attach any tatting to anything. It just sits in a little book protector. Cynthia: padding for my cell I'm on computer wow overload I learned 3 things tongith already! AKTATTER: ihave never decorated a quilt block either Denis my first time Sherong: If you can go ahead and see how they look. HTML is just something I have never gotten into Barb: I'm sorry. Georgia. I don't 'get it' . Cynthia: me either Sharon just documents and pdf's Martha Ess from x.x.x.96 joined the chat 57 minutes ago jess.S: georgia, i may be nuts, but i like to challenge myself.... may i have #78? Denise: Are there any photos of finished samples? Beadweaver: k Cynthia: Barb I can use a padded cell for my brain it is in overload form learning new things already tonight Liz_: . AKTATTER: for two color nt http://www.freewebs.com/needletattingtwo_3/2colortatting.htm Barb: ROFL.. ok.. got it hehehe. I"m slow, but I get it eventually. ROFL. AKTATTER: only 3 have come back Denise, we are just sending out the last of the blocks this week Paule from x.x.x.147 joined the chat 56 minutes ago Sherong: Or maybe borrow one of Jane's brain cells. #3 seems to run off as needed. AKTATTER: ok Jess email me your snail mail address #78 is yours Paule: Allo everyone AKTATTER: welcome paule! jess.S: denise- do a google image search, you should come back with something AKTATTER: hi ya Martha Martha Ess: Hi AKTATTER: martha is decorating a block for the project two have you any suggestions for someone doing crazy quilt tatting for the first time, Martha? AKTATTER: ok let;s get started AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN Barb: Oh rats.. the pictures aren't showing up. Barb: on the 2 color tatting AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA Sherong: Sheron Goldin, sherongb@yahoo.com, Columbia, SC AKTATTER: OH DARN TRY THEM AGAIN LATER THEN OR RIGHT CLICK ONTHE ICON MAYBE IT WILL SHOW Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson, Stillwater OK USA, brasthatfit@yahoo.com Martha Ess: I have been admiring crazy quilting on the Pintangle blog Mary_(Engineer-ND): To get ideas for the blocks - do google on "crazy quilts" - I could give some suggestions next week AKTATTER: IF NOT TRY THE WAY BACK MACHINE TOO Paule: Paule Primeau Boucherville Quebec Canada toujoursvivante@videotron.ca Liz_: Elizabeth Hendrix, Shreveport, LA AKTATTER: OH YES THAT IS A LOVELY SITE Denise: Denise barkingquill at gmail dot com Austin, TX USA jess.S: jessica stacy khatarynah@excite.com ingram, texas Sherong: Wayback often is without pictures Martha Ess: Martha Ess, Greensboro NC USA essm@bellsouth.net mariaalcan: Maria Alcantara famalcan@prodigy.net.mx Mexico Beadweaver: Debbie Witenski, NC, Pennsylvania. debbie.witenski@gmail.com--needle Mary_(Engineer-ND): Mary Baumler, Fargo ND USA MaryReneeEng@gmail.com AKTATTER: http://www.pintangle.com/ Martha Ess: This is my first time crazy quilting too AKTATTER: JUST SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE FOR LOTS OF INSPIRATION Sherong: Roger might have directions on his new group, <http://needletatting.proboards.com/index.cgi> AKTATTER: GOOD PLACE TO CHECK AKTATTER: OK THE TOPIC FOR TONIGHT IS MIGNONETTE AND JUDI BANASHEK AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/jbandmignonette.html AKTATTER: PLEAS BRING UP THE PAGE ONSCREENN OR PRINT IT OFF Barb: Oh it's ok. I've hidden the tail before.. I'll look on rogers site. It's a great site too. Liz_: . AKTATTER: THE FIRS GOOD NEWS IS THAT JUDI BANASHEK LIVES! AKTATTER: SHE HAS MOVED DOWN TO TEXAS T OBE NEAR FAMILY AKTATTER: JUDI IS A GREAT TATTERS WITH WONDER FUL BOOKS AKTATTER: YOU CAN SEE THE COVERS ON THE PAGE Cynthia: comes up occasionally for the OkShuttlebug meetings Barb: Barb Grainger sonsery@aol.com Canby, OR USA needle ..some shuttle AKTATTER: BTW WE ARE GOING TO DOA GROUP ORDER FOR THE CLASS SO WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE DISCOUNT AKTATTER: IMPECCABLE TATTING IS $15 AND GREAT INSTRUCTION AL INFO AKTATTER: ADVANCED IS $20 AND IS A TRUE REFERENCE BOOK WITH PATTERNS Beadweaver: hi Barb AKTATTER: MODERN MIGNONETTE FEATURES OUR TOPIC FOR TONIGHT $12 AKTATTER: IF YOU MUST CHOOSE ONE, ADVANCED TATTING IS THE ONE TO SAVE UP FOR Paule: Advanced is the green cover? AKTATTER: JUDI HAS ALSO GRANTED US PERMISSION TOUSE HER WORK IN THE ONLINE TATTING CLASS AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO HER AKTATTER: THE STYLE OF THE COVER IS THE SAME BUT SOMETIMES THE COLOR OF THE COVER VARIES, MINE IS GREEN AKTATTER: NOW SCROLL DOWN AND LOOK AT THE BLACK ANDWHITE PHOTOS Liz_: . AKTATTER: THESE ARE SAMPLES FROM HER BOOK AKTATTER: IT IS VERY BASIC MIGNONETTE BASICALLY ALL RINGS, ONE SHUTTLE WORK AKTATTER: WITH EXCEPTIONS AKTATTER: NOW PLEASE ENLARGE THE DIAGRAM OR PRINT IT OUT AND FOLLOW ALONG AKTATTER: THERE IS MORE THATN ONE WAY TO START THE CENTER OF A MIGNONETTE PIECE mariaalcan: ok AKTATTER: TWO CLASSIC VERSIONS: Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: MAKE ONE LARGE PICOT ONT HE CENTER RING AND JOIN ALL THE OTHER RINGS OF THAT ROUND TO THAT ONE PICOT AKTATTER: THAT METHOD IS NOT THE STURDIEST Sherong: I remember one trick you taught a while back, to get all the bare thread spaces the same size: Take a piece of cardboard and cut a slit in from the edge as far as you want the bare thread to be. AKTATTER: A BETTER METHOD IS SHOWN IN THE DIAGRAM, MAKE A ROUND CENTER RING AND EXIT THRU A MOCK PICOT TO ROUND ONE Cynthia: k AKTATTER: YOU CAN VARY THE NUMBE R OF PICOTS AND THE NUMBER OF DS BETWEEN PICOTS AKTATTER: THE SAMPLES ARE A RING 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 CLOSE RING Sherong: To use put thread in slit, and pull ring against cardboard. Edge of cardboard is where to put the next stitch. Barb: HI Beadweaver. I'm sorry. I was looking at the website and missed your hello.;0 AKTATTER: NOTE THE MOCK PICOT IS MARKED ON THE DIAGRAM AKTATTER: YES THAT IS SUCH A HANDY WAY TO KEEP THE BARE THREAD LENGTH ALL THE SAME AKTATTER: EVERYONE OK WITH MOCK PICOT?? Cynthia: yes AKTATTER: IS ANYONE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE FIRTS TIME? AKTATTER: OK ON THE PATTERN THE NEXT RING IS MARKED WITH A SLASH THRU IT AKTATTER: THAT INDICATES A SPLIT RING Barb: yes AKTATTER: OH OH NOW WE JUST SAID WE ARE WORKING WITH ONE THREAD ONE SHUTTLE? jess.S: first timer :) AKTATTER: SO HOW TO DO THE SPLIT RING WHICH NEEDS 2 THREADS mariaalcan: y Mary_(Engineer-ND): Can you go over it again, please ? Barb: I mean yes to being ok with mock picot LOL Denise: single shuttle split ring makes me cry AKTATTER: JESS WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WITH US PLEAS ASK ANY QUESTIONS Barb: Welcome Jess :) jess.S: thank you!! AKTATTER: BUT IT IS NOT A SSSR DENISE! AKTATTER: LUCKILY FOR US Denise: oh yay AKTATTER: IF WE LEAVE A VERY LONG TAIL Cynthia: Denise l can help you with it. and Questions are always welcome Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: WE CAN USE THE TAIL TO WRAP THAT HALF OD THE SPLIT RING AKTATTER: TA DA! Tat Pat 1 from x.x.x.95 joined the chat 41 minutes ago AKTATTER: SO SPLIT RING STARTS WITH THE SHUTTLE, 2 DS /THEN SWITCH TO THE TAIL AND 2 DS AND CLOSE AKTATTER: WELCOME PATSY! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/jbandmignonette.html Tat Pat 1: Hi, just can't seem to be on time. AKTATTER: WE ARE STUDYING MIGNONETTE TONIGHT Tat Pat 1: I've got it. mariaalcan: g before the split ring dont you required a slpit chai to finish the round? AKTATTER: NOW USING THE CARDBOARD TRICK MEASURE OUT THE RIGHT LENGTH OF BARE THREAD Denise: Hmm I'm not sure I understand how to do double stictch with tail AKTATTER: THEN ARE NO CHAINS IN THIS MIGNONETTE PATTERN JUST BARE THREAD BETWEEN THE RINGS Martha Ess: finger tat with tail Paule: Wait wait wait Paule: Where does this tail come from? AKTATTER: PRETEND THERE IS ASHUTTLE O NTHE TAIL, OR PUT A SHUTTLE ON IT OR JUST FINGER TAT AKTATTER: YES PAULE? AKTATTER: YOU LEAVE A VERY LONG TAIL BEFORE YOU BEGIN THE CENTER RING Denise: oh I see Denise: oh clever. AKTATTER: MEASURE OFF AT LEAST 1 YARD THEN BEGIN THE CENTER RING AKTATTER: AH HA! Paule: How long? mariaalcan: hooooo...your long tail..... Paule: ok jess.S: genious!! AKTATTER: THE NEXT RING JOINS TO THE PICOT OF THE CENTER RING AKTATTER: MEASURE TEH BARE THREAD SPACE AGAIN AKTATTER: AND CONTINEU AROUND AKTATTER: AFTER THE LAST OF THE RINGS IS JOINED TO THE CENTE R RING Barb: k AKTATTER: NOW HERE YOU WILL NEED THE TAIL AGAIN Beadweaver: k Cynthia: k AKTATTER: MEASURE OFF HALF THE SPACE NEEDED FOR THE BARE THREAD SPACE AKTATTER: JUST HALF Barb: jess, be sure to type any letter every now and then or the room will kick you out. It wants to know you are still active. AKTATTER: THEN BRING OVER THE TAIL AND USE IT TO WRAP THE OTHER HALF OF THE SPLIT RING Barb: we usually just type k jess.S: alright barb :) Tat Pat 1: K AKTATTER: ADJUST THE BARE THREAD SPACE OF THE TAIL TO MATCH HALF THE LENGTH NEEDED ALSO Liz_: . AKTATTER: THAT BRINGS US INTO THE NEXTG ROUND Martha Ess: k AKTATTER: AND BY THIS TIME WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT INCREASING THE SIZE AKTATTER: OR WE WILL END UP WITH A SNOOD AKTATTER: OR BONNET Tat Pat 1: PG AKTATTER: OR BOWL AKTATTER: SO TO INCREASE? HOW DO WE DO IT?? AKTATTER: EASY PEASY AKTATTER: WE JOIN TWO RINGS INTO EACH BARE THREAD SPACE INSTEAD OF JUST ONE!!! AKTATTER: CONTINUE AROUND INCREASING AS NEEDED AKTATTER: FOR THE SIZE DESIRED OR AS THE PATTERNS CALLS FOR AKTATTER: YOU ALSO EVEN ADD IN ANOTHER THREAD AND MAKE ROWS OF RING AND CHAINS TO MIX WITH THE MIGNONETTE AKTATTER: NOW WHO KNOWS HOW TO DECREASE THE SIZE OF THE MIGNONETTE RING? Beadweaver: k jess.S: skip one? Denise: Ok this is a silly question I'm sure. But back after the first split ring, which way do you go next? to the right? mariaalcan: . AKTATTER: YES Barb: Skip a space..or make the length of the bare thread shorter? Tat Pat 1: PG AKTATTER: ONE RING INTO THE BARE THREAD SPACE Cynthia: and it isn't a silly question... mariaalcan: only one ring AKTATTER: REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE BTS AND OR REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE RINGS Martha Ess: When it is time for the first SR of the next row, my tail is on the wrong side. Do you reverse work there, or was I going around the wrong way? AKTATTER: YO UGOTIT MARIA AKTATTER: OK NOW WE SEE THE BASICS OF CONTRUCTION AKTATTER: NOW LET'S LOOK AT SOME EXAMPLES Barb: Ahh. BTS = Bare Thread Space. Duh.. I couldn't figure it out earlier Liz_: . Barb: Reduce the size of the rings? not the number of rings? Sherong: SLT Martha AKTATTER: IF THE CENTER RING IS BEFORE ME Paule: Which one? reverse? or wrong way? AKTATTER: AND THE SPLIT RING ON THE SIDE AWAY FROM ME AKTATTER: MY SHUTTLE WILL END UP ONTHE LEFT SIDE AKTATTER: AND MY TAIL ON THE RIGHT SIDE Paule: crucial info that Tat Pat 1: PG AKTATTER: IF I MOVE THE SPLIT RING FROM 12 O'CLOCK POSTION TO 6 O'CLOCK POSITION AKTATTER: THEN THE SHUTTHRE THREAD IS READY TO MOVE TO THE RIGHT AKTATTER: AND THA TAIL DANGLES DOWN ON THE LEFT UNTIL I COME AROND THE CIRCLE AKTATTER: SO I ROTATED THE RING INSTEAD OF RW Beadweaver: k Barb: k Martha Ess: k Paule: rotate instead of reverse AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/turningwork.htmL Liz_: . mariaalcan: great AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/mignon/mignonreview.html Cynthia: that makes a lot of sense AKTATTER: SEE SAUNDRA'S LITTLE MIGNONETTE BAG? AKTATTER: BTW IT ALSO HAS BUGLE BEADS ON THE BARE THRAD SPACE AKTATTER: BAG BY GINA BUTLER http://www.georgiaseitz.com/mignon/ginamauve.jpg AKTATTER: ALL RINGS BUT A LOT OF VARIATION IN THE PATTERN AND THE SIZE OF THE RINGS AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/mignon/mignonette.html AKTATTER: HERE IS MIGNOETTE ONA AHNAKY FROM A OLDER LESSON AKTATTER: VERY LONG BARE SPACES, TOO LONG I THINK Cynthia: if shorter it should work wouldn't it? Barb: The 'Gina's finished mignonette bags' link isn't working. It takes you to a weird site. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/xmas/ Denise: I think I went a little crazy on my bts. Would adding more rings on it help do you think? AKTATTER: SEE THE FITH STOCKING DOWN WHAT A GREAT PIECE THAT WAS Tat Pat 1: I just got to Gina's bag Tat Pat 1: I love the beads on the bare thread. AKTATTER: YES IT SHOULD i HTINK THAT LONG LOOK NEAT BUT IT CAN ALSO LOOK TANGLED IF NOT BLOCK AND STARCHED WELL Liz_: . AKTATTER: IT WAS SO SWEEET WASN'TIT AND WHERE DID SHE GET THAT TINY CLASP FOR THE BAG? Tat Pat 1: the bare threads look so fragil mariaalcan: i love the second one is not this technic but! Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/xmas/ AKTATTER: SCROLL DOWN TO THE THIRD PHOTO FOR A PIECE OF MIGNONETTE Barb: You can get the fram for the purses at some of the beading sites. Beaded bags were all the rage a few eyars ago. jess.S: love the mignonette stocking! AKTATTER: http://laurasmuse.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html AKTATTER: HOPETHAT URL IS OK AKTATTER: LAURA''S HEART AT THE TO PIS GREAT TOO jess.S: url is good here Barb: Some fabric stores carry them in their crafting sections too AKTATTER: PATTY DOWDEN SENT THIS PHOTO IN http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/pdowdenmignonette.jpg Barb: Very nie. I like the pink AKTATTER: LOOK AT #1 AKTATTER: IT HAS 6 RINGS IN THE CENTER JOINED TO GOETHER AKTATTER: NOTE THAT IT HAS TEH MIGNONETTE RINGS JOINED TO PICOTS ON THE MID POINT OF THE RINGS AND AKTATTER: JOINED TO THE JOINS BETWEEN THE RINGS AKTATTER: THEN LOOK AT #6 AKTATTER: THE LITTLE RINGS ARE BULIDING UP INTO SPOKES! Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/sandraehankyfinishedmignonette.jp g AKTATTER: THIS A BRIDAL HANKY BY SNADRA EICHELBERGER Tat Pat 1: PG AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/sandraehankyfinishedmignonette.jpg Barb: Link to some mini purse frames: http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Categories?category=PURSE FRAMES Liz_: . AKTATTER: OOH THAT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PLACE TO SHOP! Barb: well rats.. that took us to a main page instead of a direct page. .don't like it when sites do that. AKTATTER: IN THIS CORNER YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST ROUND OF RING AND CHAIN AKTATTER: THEN THE MIGNONETTE BEGINS Barb: But if you google purse frames or mini purse frames you should be able to find quite a few. Liz_: brb Cynthia: k AKTATTER: THE MIGNONETTE CONTINUES IN THE NEXT ROUND AND THEN MORE RING AND CHAIN AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/sandraehankymignonettecornerrow3.JPG Barb: Oh I see what happened. The word frames didn't get into the link. so just copy paste or try this one Barb: http://www.landofodds.com/servlet/Categories?category=PURSE%20FRAMES Barb: that one works. mariaalcan: i couldent use that mariaalcan: is so preatty AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/ptinneymignonette1.jpg AKTATTER: this is the work of one of the gentleman tatters in class Pat tinney AKTATTER: can you spot wher the tail was hidden? AKTATTER: no guesses?? mariaalcan: noooooo Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: pretty good work then eh? Liz_: . AKTATTER: look above the p in pat Cynthia: lower right??? Denise: . AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/ptinneymignonette2.jpg mariaalcan: in the first ring........ AKTATTER: yep Tat Pat 1: It must be in one of the rings Paule: yes Denise: in the bottom right ring? Paule: yes AKTATTER: the secon done is good to obut it shows how important the regularity in the bare thread space is Barb: I really like the way he starts the motif. It gives it a nice solid base from which to work. Paule: just above the P AKTATTER: this pattern is the one from the diagram except that the rings are 3 3 AKTATTER: right paule AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2010/ptinneymignonette3.jpg Barb: I can tell where the increases are now too. AKTATTER: this one clearly shows how to increase AKTATTER: good barb AKTATTER: ok quesitons on mignonette?? mariaalcan: gentleman are great tatters... AKTATTER: welli hope to see some more examples of it to store in the class notes Beadweaver: k Denise: my bts are all over the place. I think I need to use the cardboard trick AKTATTER: as i mentioned earlier about out qilt block fundraiser Tat Pat 1: PG AKTATTER: a couple of tatters had to withdraw because of health problems Barb: I love that men are tatting too. It's great to see big burley men doing such beautiful work. Liz_: . AKTATTER: so I hvae 6 blocks that still need homes AKTATTER: rember the block are all sewn you just have to decorate themwith tatting and anything else you want AKTATTER: the deadline to returnthem is June 1, 2010 AKTATTER: i am deighted to see you all back here tonight AKTATTER: THE RECESS WAS WAY TOO LONG IFYOU ASK ME LOL jess.S: georgia, i emailed you just now about block #78 AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: OK JESS YOU 'RE IN! mariaalcan: is always a pleasure be in your class G Tat Pat 1: Georgia, Do we no longer sign in? jess.S: no questions, but i really liked this lesson :) Barb: I think you covered it all really good Georgia. Cynthia: recess was way too long for some of us... Liz_: always enjoy it AKTATTER: BTW OUR FRENCH VOLUNTEER HAS BEEN TO SHY TO START THE FRENCHCLASS SO WE STILL NEED SOMEONE TO LEAD IT jess.S: great for my FIRST class AKTATTER: YOU CAME TOO LATE PATSY BUT SIGN IN WHENEVER YOU GET HERE AKTATTER: THANKS BARB Barb: :) AKTATTER: OK THE BEGINNERS CLASS ON THRUSDAY 3 AND 9PM ET jess.S: on a funny side note: my middle name i MIGNON!!! Tat Pat 1: OK. thanks. AKTATTER: SPANISH CLASS WITH WALLY ONTHE WEEKEND Denise: Haha Jess. perfect for the class AKTATTER: MIGNON! WOW WHAT A COINCIDENCE Barb: No way Jess! Good omen. First class, and your middle name. :) AKTATTER: MIGNONETTE ALSO MEANS LILY OF THE VALLEY TOO Beadweaver: k jess.S: yes, i agree barb :) Tat Pat 1: Patsy Goodman, Chula Vista, CA, USA, AKA Queen Tat Pat Barb: Oh really G. That's beautiful. AKTATTER: OK PATSY THANKS LOL AKTATTER: LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS ? Barb: One quick one AKTATTER: WE NEED LOTS OF PATTERNS WITH BEADS FOR THIS YEAR ESP BUGLES AND SEQUINS Liz_: . AKTATTER: AND WE HAVE REQUESTS FORMORE CLUNY AND MORE BLOCK TATTING AKTATTER: SURE BARB Barb: Earlier you said something about reducing the size of the ring to decrease. Barb: Did I read that right? or ?? jess.S: oh, yes i desperately want to learn how to do clunies but can't find much on the net :( mariaalcan: cluny.........i am practicing them AKTATTER: YES LIKE LARGE RINGS IN THE MIDDLE AREA OF THE BAG r 8 8 ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Jan 12 02:38:24 2010 GMT (157 KB) Page 4 of 4 - Char 153713 to 160923 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER: NEXT ROW TAPER RINGS TO 7 7 ETC. Barb: Ah.. ok that makes sense now. Thanks Sherong: Do a search for Mimi Dilman. Lots of Cluny stuff by her AKTATTER: BUT FOR BUILDING WIDTH STICK WITH ADDING RINGS TOTHE BARE HREAD SPACE Cynthia: I think the beginners star spangled sun catchers would work with bugle beads.... AKTATTER: AND IF YOU ENCOUNTER ANY MIGNONETTE PATTERNS PLEASE LET ME KNOW mariaalcan: Wally host one of the best cluny tatter..Elis du Sud Cynthia: simple but pretty... Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: WE WIL HAVE A HEART I NMIGNONETTE BY GINA BRUMMET NEXT WEEK AKTATTER: YSE SHE IS SO GOOD AND SO IS OUR OWN WALLY Barb: Oh cool! Liz_: . Cynthia: Georgia did you forget the Thistle do pin by Rita Cochrain? Denise: oh in time for valentines AKTATTER: YES BUT MIMI AND ALWAYS ALLOWED THE USE OF HER PATTERNS IN CLASS SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOKFOR NEW ONES AKTATTER: OH YES! Beadweaver: cynthia are you busy after class? Barb: I'm so happy I took the classes today. I'd see the beautiful mignonette tatting but think it was too hard. But now it doesn't sound hard at all! Cynthia: no Tat Pat 1: PG jess.S: barb, i thought the same thing!! AKTATTER: HTTP://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/rcthistledopin.html Denise: keeping bts even is the hardest part Cynthia: Barb remember every complex patterns starts with just the first half of the ds Beadweaver: would you like to go over that then--or another time? AKTATTER: it isn;t hard at all !!! jess.S: i must go put the heathens 2 bed mariaalcan: G why Wally donīt invite her to this class Martha Ess: got to go Barb: Georgia and her teachers always explain things so well that you go out of class feeling like Super Tatter !! LOL AKTATTER: invite elise?? Cynthia: we can do it now... AKTATTER: bye martha good to see you Barb: Yes Cyn :) AKTATTER: oh and there is a new video posted mariaalcan: yes Beadweaver: I'll get my stuff AKTATTER: http://www.palmettotatters.org/aboutus.shtml jess.S: thank you georgia for such a great class!! AKTATTER: has anyone seen it already? know whose hands those are demonstrating? jess.S: good night all! Cynthia: Bead and Barb will we be here or elsewhere? AKTATTER: thanks for joining us jess mariaalcan: G...i bouth the palemttos cds...and they are great, Cynthia: I suspect I know....she is in this class now AKTATTER: it is the time difference and elise does not feel comfortable with english Barb: That Thistle Pin is gorgeous! AKTATTER: great maria i al glad yo uare finding them useful too AKTATTER: ok this is really the last call for questions? AKTATTER: the log will be posted in a few minutes AKTATTER: ok then thanks for stopping by Beadweaver: `where ever you want Liz_: . AKTATTER: good night and happy tatting all Barb: Cyn. you inviting me? Denise: thanks for the class! AKTATTER from x.x.x.75 left the chat 119 seconds ago Mary_(Engineer-ND): Thank you - Really enjoyed the classes. Mary_(Engineer-ND) from x.x.x.62 left the chat 106 seconds ago Denise: good night all Cynthia: sure. Barb Cynthia: Here is fine with me Barb: Ok well, if we do yahoo messenger then Georgia won't have to erase a lot of stuff. But either is fine with me :) mariaalcan: good night for all! Cynthia: sorry I was grabbing my pattern and the thread Barb: night maria and denise and you ladies who are leaving Beadweaver: I have yahoo messenger too Cynthia: Bead are you on yahoo? or aol? Beadweaver: yahoo Tat Pat 1: Good night all. Barb: did you get the link for the thistle pin? It's darling! http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/rcthistledopin.html ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com