The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Dec 1 02:50:43 2009 GMT (178 KB) Page 1 of 4 - Char 1 to 51232 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER from x.x.x.204 cleared the room 7 hours ago AKTATTER: Nov. 30, 2009 AKTATTER: class begins at the half hour picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 7 hours ago picotsnkeys: Hello....anybody home? picotsnkeys: I guess not....I'll be back soon AnneB from x.x.x.184 joined the chat 7 hours ago AnneB: Hi Melanie! picotsnkeys: Hi Anne picotsnkeys: How are you? AnneB: I'm fine - a bit busy though. You? picotsnkeys: I'm fine too. Well rested after a 5 day break from the "normal chaos" picotsnkeys: It's kind of nice to get back to a routine. AnneB: Ah - I'm "in the chaos" and a bit worried about when to plan for Christmas picotsnkeys: I put my foot down years ago and stated I wouldn't celebrate Christmas until Christmas. picotsnkeys: If folks get their cards before Epiphany, they wonder what happened! AnneB: I have a "cookie-baking-weekend" where I produce 5 Christmas gifts as well as cookies for Christmas - it saves me every year LOL picotsnkeys: LOL AKTATTER: hello all AnneB: Hi Georgia! picotsnkeys: Hi Georgia! AKTATTER: that sounds like a good plan, Anne, but not for me, I am a lousy cook picotsnkeys: Anne- Do you have a recipe for low sugar holiday cookies? AnneB: No - I should have one but don't AKTATTER: I'm going to go check email see if anyone needs help getting here today brb AnneB: My solution is eat less picotsnkeys: I'm a lowsy cook too, the kitchen belongs to my husband! picotsnkeys: my solution also, my kids have friends that are diabetic. Don't want to leave them out this year if I can! AnneB: LOL I don't like to cook, but need to make the Christmas Cookies - as I have been doing for more than 10 years Gretta from x.x.x.137 joined the chat 7 hours ago Gretta: Hi everyone. picotsnkeys: Hi Gretta AnneB: Hi Gretta! AnneB: For Diabetes 2 you'd eat less, for Diabetes 1 you'd need to check your blood sugar levels picotsnkeys: Does anyone know Marion T Leyds? AnneB: No, sorry AKTATTER: I do know the name AKTATTER: I have a new person wanting in brb picotsnkeys: I've adapted one of her patterns in a book, I'd like to ask permission to use it in my Etsy shop Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 7 hours ago picotsnkeys: Hi Barb AKTATTER from x.x.x.204 sent out 1 invitation(s) 7 hours ago Barb: HI Everyone :) AnneB: Maybe her publisher have a contact address? AnneB: Hi Barb! AKTATTER: let me get her address for you picotsnkeys: thank you Georgia Barb: Low Sugar Holiday Cookies.. If you use Splenda you can make any holiday cookie using the same recipe Barb: You just substitute Splenda in the same amound as sugar would be. Barb: It's formulated to measure exactly like sugar. Gretta: don picotsnkeys: Ah....I do have Splenda. My muffins didn't turn out well. Any place I can search for tips on choosing a recipe? Barb: I make Danny cookies with it all the time. So far, I've use regular recipies, just substituted the Splenda instead. Gretta: don't things brown better if it's half splenda and half sugar? Barb: I'm talking about the granulated kind, not the little packets. AKTATTER from x.x.x.204 sent out 1 invitation(s) 7 hours ago Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 7 hours ago Beadweaver from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 7 hours ago Cynthia: Hi everyone Barb: Although you can use the packets, you just have to figure out how many is equal to the sugar. Beadweaver: hello picotsnkeys: Hi Cynthia Barb: They have recipies on the Splenda website. AnneB: Hi Cynthia and Debbie! Yuma Tatter from x.x.x.98 joined the chat 7 hours ago Beadweaver: hi anne Barb: http://www.splenda.com/ Barb: Hi Cynthia picotsnkeys: Hi Debbie Beadweaver: hello Yuma Tatter: Hello everyone! AnneB: Cynthia: I might be late on Thursday as I am to fold paper at the museum in the evening AnneB: Hi Yuma! AKTATTER from x.x.x.204 sent out 1 invitation(s) 7 hours ago AKTATTER: OK LET'S GET STARTED PLEASE, ARE THERE ANY NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS TODAY? AKTATTER: PLEASE VISIT http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/2009index.html TO GET THE TWO NEW PHOTO HOW-2 PAGES JUST ADDED Barb: I think I'm good so far Georgia :) Cynthia: That's okay Anne on Thursday...I was reading the eralier posts AKTATTER: ANYONE NEW HERE TODAY? Beadweaver: for some reason I am still messing up with the split stitch and the reverse AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/JNT/jntbasics.html AKTATTER: THAT IS THE LINK FOR THE JIFFY NEESLE TATTING STYLE Cynthia: For muffins to brown sprinkle a tiny bit of shugar water (1 to 1 stir/boil til disolved) then sprinkle on the muffin...it makes it brwn up nice and you need less than 1/8 tsp. I keep in in a spray bottle AKTATTER: THIS IS THE LINK FOR THE NEEDLE TATTED PEARL TATTING http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/pearltat/pearltat2hands.html Beadweaver: when you do the split stitch, you have the 2 ends. Do you just tie them together AKTATTER: OH ON THE SPLIT CHAIN bEAD? WHERE IS THE TROUBLE AT WHICH SPOT? picotsnkeys: brb for tea AKTATTER: WHEN A SPLIT RING IS CLOSED, THERE WILL BE TWO ENDS, ONE TO THE BALL AND ONE TO THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE Beadweaver: yes AKTATTER: THIS SPLIT RING NEED NOT BE TIED UNLESS AKTATTER: YOU WISH TO CHANGE THE COLOR THAT IS BEING WRAPPED ON THE NEEDLE Barb: ty for the Jiffy link. I looked last week but couldn't find any info on it. Duh! Didn't think to check your site. LOL AKTATTER: THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THE THREAD THROUGH THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE MUST BE LONGER THAN NORMAL Beadweaver: it calls for to close AKTATTER: LOL WELL i JUST POSTED THIS TODAY, THINKING THAT IT WAS NEWS TO MANY LAST WEEK. AKTATTER: LETS LOOK AT THE JIFFY NEEDLE TATTING PAGE FIRST THEN AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/JNT/jntbasics.html AKTATTER: THE PHOTOS READ 1-4 ON THE TOP ROW AND 5-8 ON THE BOTTOM ROW AKTATTER: IF YOU CLICK ON THE PHOTOS YOU WILL SEE THE TEXT THAT EXPLAINS THE ACTION TAKEN meowy from x.x.x.174 joined the chat 7 hours ago Rosemarie from x.x.x.20 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: THE FIRST PHOTOS SHOWS THE UNKNOTTED DOUBLE CORD WHICH HAS BEEN THREADED THROUGH THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE Rosemarie: Hi All AKTATTER: UNKONTTED TAILS AND THE LOOP AND HELD IN THE PALM OF THE RIGHT HAND WHILE DS ARE WRAPPED Barb: Ahh... Love that you can click on the pictures and get a really great closeup AKTATTER: WELCOME ROSEMARIE WE ARE LOOKING AT http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/JNT/jntbasics.html AKTATTER: GLAD THAT IT HELPS BARB AKTATTER: PHOTO 2 SHOWS THE COMPLETED WORK BEING SLID OFF THE TATTING NEEDLE AKTATTER: NOTE THE LEFT HAND HAS ONE FINGER THROUGH THE LOOP AKTATTER: PHOTO 3 SHOWS THE TAILS AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN PULLED THROUGH, AND THE LOOP GETTING SMALLER AS THE SLACK IS REMOVED AKTATTER: PHOTO 4 SHOWS THE TATTING NEEDLE BEIGN BROUGHT THRU THE LOOP AKTATTER: PHOTO 5 SHOWS THE WORK BEING CLOSED INT A RING AKTATTER: NOTE THIS RING DOES NOT HAVE TO BE TIED OFF AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? AKTATTER: PHOTO 6 SHOWS NEW WORK THAT HAS BEEN WRAPPED ON THE NEEDLE Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: NOTE THAT TTHERE IS AFINGER INT HE LOOP STILL AKTATTER: BUT SINCE THIS WILL BE A CHAIN AKTATTER: YOU CAN SEE THAT PHOTO 8 SHOWS THE FINGERS OUT OF THE LOOP AND THE TAILS BEING PULLED THRU AKTATTER: OOPS THAT WAS PHOTO 7 AKTATTER: PHOTO 8 SHOWS THE STRAIGHT CHAIN, NOTE THE CLEAR VIEW OF THE DOUBLE CARRYING CORD WHICH IS SO CHARACTERISTIC OF JIFFY NEEDLE TATTING AKTATTER: AND THAT DOUBLED CARRYING CORD IS ALSO RESPONISBLE FOR THE "PADDED" LOOK OFTEN SEEN IN NEEDLE TATTING Beadweaver: y AKTATTER: FOR THOSE WHO ARE NEW REMEMBER TO TYPE OK OR K OF SOMETHING FREQUENTLY TO PREVENT BEING DUMPED OUT OF THE ROOM picotsnkeys: I do like those pictures! AKTATTER: THIS POINTS OUT AGAIN HOW WE CAN USE FAT FLUFFY TEXTURED OR METALLIC FIBERS TO ADVANTAGE ON THE TATTING NEEDLE Barb: sounds clear AKTATTER: THANKS! AKTATTER: OK LET;S LOOK AT http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/pearltat/pearltat2hands.html Beadweaver: cool! AKTATTER: WE MENTIONED LAST WEEK THAT WHEN DOING PEARL TATTING ON THE TATTING NEEDLE Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: IS IT NOT NECESSARY TO FLOP THE WORK BACK AND FORTH AS IN THE TRADITIONAL SHUTTLE-TATTED METHOD OF MAKING PEARL OR MALTESE CHAIN AKTATTER: INSTEAD WE CAN USE BOTH HAND TO WRAP DS ONTO THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: AND WE CAN USE 2 COLORS FOR THE CHAIN AS WELL AKTATTER: IN THE LEFT COLUMN YOU SEE THE NORMAL NEEDLE TATTING AKTATTER: USING THE LEFT HAND TO WRAP THE DS ONTO THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: FIRST HALF STITCH AND THEN SECOND HALF STITCH AKTATTER: IN THE RIGHT COLUMN YOU SEE THE RIGHT HAND USED TO WRAP THE DS ONTO THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: REMEMBER TO REVERSE THE ORDER OF THE HALF STITCHES (RODS) AKTATTER: SO SECOND HALF STITCH IS WRAPPED FIRST AKTATTER: AND FIRST HLAF STITCH IS WRAPPED SECOND MJB from x.x.x.249 joined the chat 6 hours ago BahmaTerri: k Rosemarie: k AKTATTER: OK ANY QUESTIOHNS ON HOW TO USE THE RIGHT HAND? AKTATTER: WELCOME MJB MJB: welcome to you too. meowy: . BahmaTerri: pictures are very helpful Barb: I tried using the right hand and ..whew.. my hand didn't want to do it. LOL But I'll keep trying. hehehe. BahmaTerri: thanks Beadweaver: I'll have to do it AKTATTER: GLAD TO HEAR IT AKTATTER: ANY OTHER NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS? Barb: So I wound up just making sure that the 2nd thread had the ds on top of the needle. I also tried flipping the needle which worked ok. But if I can train my right hand to do it, I thik it will be much quicker. BahmaTerri: no, not today AKTATTER: OK THEN OPEN CHAT UNTIL THE NEXT CLASS STARTS AT 10 AFTER THE HOUR Barb: ty for the pictures and the links and the hard work you did making the tutorials up for us Georgia. I really apprectiate it. Barb: That's a lot of preparation and work to make a lesson like that. :) Raelara from x.x.x.210 joined the chat 6 hours ago Beadweaver: I agree, thank you G MJB: Hello Raelara Raelara: ji Raelara: hi Rosemarie: Georgia, is there any way that you can hold intermediate classes for needle and shuttle tatters? picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 6 hours ago MJB: hello picotsnkeys meowy: . Yuma Tatter: I had to leave for a while... is there a vast difference between Needle Tatting and Jiffy Needle Tatting? I haven't had time yet to look at the page given above. picotsnkeys: Hi, I'm back. Gotta get the computer cleaned up after a busy weekend Raelara: I would like to know that too, Yuma! AKTATTER: WELL rOSEMARIE, WHAT DID YOU HAVE IN MIND? Rosemarie: I'm still working on practice pieces from the beginners classes. I really don't think that they are enought to carry me over to the advanced classes. Beadweaver: got the right hand, yay! AKTATTER: YES YUMA THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE, PLEASE SEE THE POHTOS AND DorcasAnn from x.x.x.9 joined the chat 6 hours ago Jane Eb from x.x.x.148 joined the chat 6 hours ago Rosemarie: I'm not sure what would be considered intermediate? MJB: Hello Dorcas Ann., glad you could make it. Barb: Yay! Beadweaver.. AKTATTER: WELL HOW ABOUT SOME OF THE EASIER PATTERN S FROM THE REGULAR CLASSES, HAVE YOU CHECKED THE INDICES ON TEH MAIN CLASS PAGE YET? AKTATTER: WELCOME jANE AND DORCAS DorcasAnn: Hello, everyone MJB: hello Jane eb Barb: Hi DorcuasAnn Beadweaver: hi DorcasAnn: Hi, Barb and Mary Jane and AK Rosemarie: I'll try that, and I'll keep on practicing on the beginners pieces, too. Jane Eb: Hi all Barb: Beadweaver. I'm a beadweaver too. What kind of beadwork do you do? Beadweaver: barb, where you able to get Teresa on FB? AKTATTER: AND yUMA, PLEASE READ THE LOG FROM LAST WEEK FOR DETAILED INFO AND LINKS TO REFERENCES ON BOTH STYLES OF NEEDLE TATTING Gretta: Hi Jane wanted to let you know my first bead tatting was with your sunflower and it turned out very well. Thanks for the pattern AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/20091123log.txt Yuma Tatter: ok AKTATTER: ROSEMARIE, CAN YOU DO SPLIT RING SPLIT CHAIN YET? Jane Eb: Well done, Greta - now for MORE beads? AKTATTER: OPEN CHAT FOR 5 MORE MIN Barb: I'm not sure if I got her or not Beadweaver. Don't think I did because there are so many people with the same name?? I'd have to go back to FB and see who is there now. Rosemarie from x.x.x.20 joined the chat 6 hours ago Gretta: Got some - now for more time to tat Beadweaver: thats why I didn't add her yet, there are alot of them Yuma Tatter: I've saved last week's log to read later. Thanks Rosemarie: Stepped away for a second. I can do the split rings and the SSSR, but hte split chain is giving me a fit. Barb: Beadweaver.. do you use seedbeads or? Jenny from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 6 hours ago Jenny: Hi everybody BahmaTerri: also having trouble with split chain Barb: Hi Jenny and Jane MJB: Hi Jenny MJB: I don't like split chain either AKTATTER: WELL THAT IS DEFINITELY THE PLACE TO PRACTICE THEN ROSEMARIE, i HAVE A LITTLE PRACTICE THAT YOU MIGHT LIKE LET ME GET THE L INK Beadweaver: seed and e beads for some, But I have many sizes and colors, I love beads, period. I try anything I would like to have. Rosemarie: I actually go to sleep some nights thinking that htere must be an easier way to do a split chain. MJB: Hey Dorcas., I will write to you after class., my surgery is cancelled. DorcasAnn: what happened? Rosemarie: k Barb: Ahh.. I'm a beadweaver too. :) Been doing seed beads for over 43 years. It's my main art. :) picotsnkeys: k MJB: I have an infection in left eye DorcasAnn: I'm sorry Barb: Ouch MJB Cynthia: not good...can they give you something for it? MJB: Yeah., it doesn't feel very good Raelara: I have played with native american beading, but don't do it often AKTATTER: ROSEMARIE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/av3/valeire.pdf Beadweaver: I was the Jewelry makling editor for Bella onlikne BahmaTerri: k Jenny: . Barb: Raelara, that's awesome. I do contemporary beadwork. What I like about it is ...there are no rules! LOL meowy: . Claudia from x.x.x.177 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: and this one Rosemarie http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/hollyheart.html AKTATTER: OK LET'S GET STARTED PLEASE Claudia: hi everyone!! Beadweaver: I'm not a beginner, but I'm not really exceptional like I would like to be3. AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsų, Norway Barb: No way Beadweaver! Awesome! DorcasAnn: Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN, USA Claudia: claudia meza, cloelo@gmail.com, argentina AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA Rosemarie: Well, I asked for it, and now I have it! Jane Eb: Jane Eborall - somewhere VERY cold in the UK!!! MJB: Mary Jane Brittingham., Santa Claus., Indiana USA AKTATTER: LET ME KNOW OF ANY BROKEN LINKS ON THOSE PAGES ROSEMARIE, PLEASE BahmaTerri: Bahma Terri, San Diego, California Beadweaver: Debbie Witenski, Pennsylvania USA debbie.witenski@gmail.com--needle Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo.com Gretta: Gretta Wilhite, Crane Hill Alabama Jenny: Jenny Griffin also cold in Northampton UK Barb: I wonder if yo uare the one who interviewed me several years ago? LOL.. small world. LOL Rosemarie: They came through OK, Georgia. Thanks. Cynthia: AK they worked for me meowy: stacey staceywrites at gmail.com usa Rosemarie: Rosemarie Weber, Baltimore, Maryland, USA, rweb53@verizon.net picotsnkeys: Melanie Cervi, picotsnkeys in Los Gatos, CA USA picotsnkeys @ yahoo.com Barb: ooops.. didn't know we are signing in already AKTATTER: GREAT CYN, I NEVER KNOW :) BahmaTerri: They worked for me too Raelara: Jenni Sherriff, raelara at gmail dot com, San Lorenzo, CA, USA Yuma Tatter: Yuma Tatter, Yuma AZ Barb: Barb Grainger, Canby, Oregon, USA sonsery@aol.com needle and learning shuttle. AKTATTER: OK FIRST ON OUR LIST IS THE PATTERN OF THE MONTH FOR PAPER LCIPS BY ELLEN LAI! Cynthia: Yum a ....I still giggle.... AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/ellenpclipsnowflake.pdf MJB: I think it is real cute Yuma Tatter: I may change my addy! AKTATTER: CLICK ONT HE LINK TO BRING THE PATTERN UP ONSCREEN IN A NEW WINDOW OR PRINT IT OFF PLEASE BEFORE CLASS IF YOU CAN DorcasAnn: I like the snowflakd Cynthia: no way I like it the way it is...Sorry AK we're being bad Cynthia: brb Raelara: cool pattern AKTATTER: WELL I THINK YUMA IS UNIQUE, IT IS ONE I CAN REMEMBER EASILY Claudia: its lovely this snowflake pattern! Barb: It is sooo cute! AKTATTER: ISN'T IT CUTE? Raelara: I just had someone ask for snowflake earrings for her Mom ... These would be perfect Claudia: i was trying to tat it last night AKTATTER: THIS IS THE PENULTIMATE PAPERCLIP PATTERN IN THE SERIES meowy: oh i think I can make that one haha Barb: I love the name Yuma. AKTATTER: I WILL BE SORRY TO SEE THIS PROJECT END AKTATTER: OK IT HAS 6 RINGS AKTATTER: AND 6 CHAINS MJB: what about January? picotsnkeys: k Raelara: that is why she said penultimate Raelara: second to last AKTATTER: PENULTIMATE BYW MEANS NEXT TO LAST SO WE HAVE ONE MORE IN JANUARY Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: RIGHT MARY JANE DorcasAnn: I don't think I have ever heard that word before Barb: thanks for explaining it. I didn't know what it meant either LOL AKTATTER: THE PICOTS ON THE RINGS ARE DOUBLE PICOTS BahmaTerri: .. Yuma Tatter: k AKTATTER: LOL IT IS A CURE WORD I LIKE THE SOUND OF IT AKTATTER: CUTE AKTATTER: AND THOSE DOUBLE PICOTS ARE BENT OVER A TINY PICOT AKTATTER: THE CHAINS 1 - 5 DO NOT JOIN TO EACH OTHER Claudia: k AKTATTER: BUT THE LAST CHAIN, ER THE ULTIMATE CHAIN :), MAKES A SWIRL JOIN TO ALL OF THEM Raelara: cool Beadweaver: I can do this too, right? with a needle? Raelara: I might try this with three separate picots, instead of the doubled one AnneB: Wait - have to chack up on the swirl join... Barb: swirl join? Claudia: what means swirl?? AKTATTER: YES THAT IS WHERE THE CROCHET HOOK GOES THRU ALL THE PICOTS AT ONE TIME AND THEN THE JOIN IS MADE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html Denise from x.x.x.115 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: I THINK THERE IS A PHOTO ON THAT PAGE picotsnkeys: k Rosemarie: Up, Down, and Shuttle Join on that page, Georgia. AKTATTER: AND LOOK HERE TOO I THINK http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/926flake.html AKTATTER: welcome denise Yuma Tatter: k AKTATTER: ah no photo just description Raelara: description is better than nothing. Denise: hello. sorry I'm late was reading and not looking at time AnneB: From http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/926flake.html: swirl join (put your crochet hook in picots of 5 previous rings and make a regular join) AnneB: Have not tried that yet though Denise: do you put the hook through the front or the backs of the picots? or does it matter? Raelara: I wouldn't think that it would matter, as long as you are consistent. Barb: ??? BahmaTerri: never done a swirl join before. will give it a try AKTATTER: line them up all facing one way so that they fan out Claudia: so it is a regular join, but we joined 5 picots together? Barb: if you put your hook through all the picots.. wouldn't that make it cup up??? Cynthia: what's your question Barb? Beadweaver: k Jenny: It's easier with a proper crochet hook than a little hook on a shuttle Cynthia: I think it could Barb if you pulled it up too tightly AKTATTER: ok Barb IT MAKES THE CENTER WHERE THE JOIN IS VERY SOLID, DENSE Barb: Do you put the crochet hook through all five picots at once? Or are you just saying to use a crochet hook to connect to one picot at a time?? AKTATTER: BUT YOU ADJUST THE TENSION OF THE JOIN LETTING MORE OR LESS SLACK INTO THE THREAD YOU ARE PULLING THROUGH THE PICOTS TO MAKE IT WORK AKTATTER: ALL 5 PICOTS ON THE CROCHET HOOK AT THE SAME TIME Denise: wow I can't wait to try this. Barb: ahh.. ok thanks AKTATTER: THEN PULL THE WORKING THREAD THREAD ALL AT THE SAME TIME TO MAKE A JOIN picotsnkeys: Definately worth experimenting with! Barb: I'll have to try it meowy: . BahmaTerri: sounds very useful Claudia: right Beadweaver: k Yuma Tatter: not sure I'm ready for this yet, but may give it a try Jenny: . AKTATTER: NINA LIBIN USES IT IN HER JEWELRY PATTERNS A LOT Barb: Is it the same for needle and shuttle ?? picotsnkeys: ah! AKTATTER: SAVE THE INFO FOR LATER WHEN YOU COME ADCROSS IT IN A PATTERN , THEN YOU WILL KNOW WHAT TO DO Cynthia: it would be in lesson 2 for the beginners and we're doing joins this week swith lesson 3....I couldn't get the links to work last week...glitch somewhere AKTATTER: OK NEAT THING TO NOTICE ON ELLENS' DARGRAM Yuma Tatter: I save everything...TG for computers AKTATTER: LOOK ATT HE STRAIGHT LINES WHICH INDICATE A PICOT AKTATTER: I SECOND THAT! AKTATTER: ONE LINE = A FREE STANDING PICOT Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: TWO LINES = JOINED PICOT AKTATTER: OK I JUST WANT TO REUN THORUGH THE FIRST RING QUICKLY AKTATTER: NOTE THE SIZES OF THE PICOTS ARE INDICATED BY THE LENGTH OF THE DASHES AKTATTER: RING 1 Beadweaver: k Barb: l Claudia: k BahmaTerri: .. Cynthia: k Rosemarie: k Jenny: k Denise: . AKTATTER: R 3 DS MEDIUM PICOT 3 DS LONG PICOT 1 DS SMALL PICOT 1 DS jOIN TO LONG PICOT 3 MEDIUM PICOT 3 CLOSE RING picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: THE LAST RING JOINS TO THE PAPER CLIP AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SNOEFLAKE? Denise: when you join to the long picot is that just folding the picot down? Cynthia: yes Beadweaver: hoe to join picot meowy: . Raelara: y Cynthia: then join in a normal way AKTATTER: NOTE, THE FIRST INSTINCEIS TO PUT BEADS ON THESE FLAKE BUT BE SURE TO USE TINY SEED BEADS OR THE WEIGHT OF THE BEADS WILL MAKE THE FLAKE FLOP BahmaTerri: what does folding the picot down mean? AKTATTER: YES DENISE GO TOTHE BEND OF THE PICOT AND MAKE THE JOIN THERE, AKTATTER: PULL ON THE LEGS TO ADJUST THE LENGTH AND MAKE IT BEND NICELY OVER THE SMALL PICOT Beadweaver: Oh, I'm having a problem because I'm usin a needle. Cynthia: we'll be going over joins on Thursday...in the beginning class BahmaTerri: ok Beadweaver: right picotsnkeys: k AKTATTER: LOOK HERE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/picots/doublepicot.html AKTATTER: NO PROBLEM BEADE Yuma Tatter: I think I see now in the picture what you mean by folding the picot Cynthia: Bahma Terri to fold the picot down means to bend it over so you cn do the join AKTATTER: COMPLETE WRAPPING THE DS UP TO THE JOIN BahmaTerri: gotcha, thanks. AKTATTER: SLIDE THE DS OFF ONTO THE CARRYING CORE (THE THREAD THRU THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE) BUT DO NOT FORM A RING AKTATTER: MAKE THE JOIN Beadweaver: oh, I take it off the needle after the first part picotsnkeys: now I get it! TY AKTATTER: CONTINUE WRAPING THE DS UNTIL RING IS COMPLETE, SLIDE WORK OFF AND THEN FORM INTO RING Beadweaver: ok AKTATTER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ONTHE FLAKE?? Claudia: no questions AKTATTER: NEXT LET'S LOOK AT SANDREA EICHELBERGER'S TIP OF THE DAY picotsnkeys: k Beadweaver: gonna keep at it AKTATTER: BTW SHE HAS SOME HOMEWORK POSTED ALONG WITH CAROLYN CRAIG ONTHE 2009 INDEX PAGE AKTATTER: GREAT BEAD AKTATTER: http://psychotatter.blogspot.com/2009/09/crazy-tatting-tip-du-jour.html BahmaTerri: k meowy: . AKTATTER: THIS IS A GREAT WAY OF DOING THE MAGIC THREAD TRICK BahmaTerri: I love using floss threader for MTT-works great AKTATTER: OTHER EXAMPLES USING THREAD http://www.georgiaseitz.com/rodgers/carnation.html picotsnkeys: k Jenny: Unfortunately we can't get floss threaders in the UK we have to wait until someone we know takes a trip to Usa AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/fall2001/drakemt.html AKTATTER: I sell tatting supplies Jenny, next time you order I wil tuck in a pack for you. Claudia: the same happens here, jenny, AKTATTER: so the little floss thread are plastic and firm but flexible Cynthia: I tried it and I like it better than the way I had been doing it. I try to make it come out on the back side AKTATTER: YOU INSERT THEM INTO THE DS FOLLOWING THE CORE THREAD AKTATTER: IT ALTERNATES SIDE JUST AS THE DS ALTERNATES SIDES Jane Eb: my only experiences with the MTT were complete disasters - the ends always came out. I'd never use it again. I'd rather use a self threading needle and sew the finishing ends in and tat over the starting ends. AKTATTER: LEAVE IT IN PLACE UNTIL RING/CHAIN IS FINISHED Rosemarie: How many stitches do you usually work the magic thread over? Beadweaver: I use those for threading my needle, the wire ones break for me Cynthia: Do they call floss threaders something different in the UK? They are usually with the toothbrushes here in the US AKTATTER: THEN INSERT THE CUT TAILS INTOTHE LOOP END AND PULL THE UPP UP INTO THE RING AND OUT AnneB: I have just started using MTT and use ordinary thread only thinner AKTATTER: I DO HALF THE LENGTH OF THE RING/CHAIN Jenny: No dental floss here is used alone or with some sort of holder but no one sells floss threaders AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS? AnneB: Verry convenient when using size 80 thread Rosemarie: Thanks Georgia, I have been concerned with the tail end being secure. BahmaTerri: I will never use a wire threader again. If floss threader is too thick, I just use a very small gauge wire. Cynthia: You can make a magic thread or floss threader type thing using 10 LB test fishing line. You knot it together.... Barb: Good idea beadweaver. The wire threaders break on me too. Beadweaver: k Cynthia: You might check with a dentist who does braces ... AKTATTER: SANDRA REFERRED US TO MARILEE ROCKLEY'S PAGE SO LET'S GO THERE NEXT Raelara: might be good for beading too Cynthia: it is Claudia: k AKTATTER: NOW THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO GET BEADS ONTO THE TATTING AKTATTER: http://yarnplayertats.blogspot.com/2008/05/using-floss-threader-to-add-beads-to.html Rosemarie: I've been using thinner gauge pere cotton. It's slippery Barb: Oh good idea Cynthia AKTATTER: THOSE ARE GREAT CLOSE UP PHOTOS MARILEE MADE Beadweaver: cynthia, can u use 4 or 6 lbs. fishing line? I have those for beading AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS METHOD? AKTATTER: FISHING IS ALWAYS GOOD BahmaTerri: .. Beadweaver: ok Cynthia: possibly but I tried the 10 lb as I was told between 8 and 12...I don't see why not just might have to be a bit gentler on pulling AKTATTER: NOW ON MARILEES PAGES DOWN AT THE RIGHT ABOUT MIDWAY THERE WAS A PHOTO OF EARRING AKTATTER: CALLED CARNIVAL EARRING Denise: . picotsnkeys: . Rosemarie: k Jenny: . MJB: k BahmaTerri: wow, great pattern detail on the carnival earrings! AKTATTER: TAKE A LOOK AT THE PATTERN FOR THOSE EARRING AND meowy: . AKTATTER: SCROLL DOWN TO PHOTO 3 ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Dec 1 02:51:16 2009 GMT (179 KB) Page 2 of 4 - Char 51233 to 102434 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Jane Eb from x.x.x.148 left the chat 6 hours ago Beadweaver: I've already printed that one out, ready to try when I knew more. lol Barb: Those carnival earrings are so cute! Dang, now I'll have to find me some of that colorful thread. LOL AKTATTER: NOTE THE LARGE BEAD IS BEING JOINED AKTATTER: THE SHUTTLE THREAD IS DRAWN THRU THE HOLE OF THE BEAD AKTATTER: JOIN IS MADE AKTATTER: AND A LITTLE BIT OF THREAD SHOWS WHEN IT IS DONE Beadweaver: That is so cool! AKTATTER: WE USED TO THINK THAT HAVING A THREAD SHOWING NEXT TOTHE BEAD WAS A BIT TACKY AKTATTER: BUT ITHINK THE METHOD IS USED TO ADVANTAGE HERE BahmaTerri: very cute Yuma Tatter: k Claudia: k AKTATTER: THERE IS NO SPECIAL TIP OR TECHNIQUE WITH THIS NEXT PATTERN, EVEN THE TATTING IS OLD-FASHIONED picotsnkeys: k AKTATTER: BUT I DO HOPE THAT YOU WILL LOOK AT THE CROSS WITH THE ROSE CENTER AKTATTER: UST LOVELY Beadweaver: ahh, that's where the safety pin comes in. Cynthia: tastes change and so does thinking about "problems" from the past... AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS? Barb: k MJB: no Claudia: where is the cross? AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: SCROLL DOWN PASSED THE CARNIVAL EARRINGS Claudia: ok thanks g AKTATTER: OK THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE FOR TODAY Beadweaver: those owls are pretty AKTATTER: THIS IJNFO REPEATS TONIGHT AT 8:30pm ET (NEW YOKR TIME) meowy: that's pretty MJB: thanks Gerogia Denise: Thank you Georgia BahmaTerri: thanks. lots of good info meowy: thanks georgia :) picotsnkeys: I do like her tatting AKTATTER: DON'T FORGET BEGINNERS CLASS ON THURSDAY picotsnkeys: Thanks Georgia DorcasAnn: thank you Rosemarie: Thank you Georgia. Beadweaver: I'll be there Jenny: Thank you Georgia Cynthia: we'll be dong joins then onto lesson 3 AKTATTER: THANKS TO ELLEN SANDRA AND MARILEE FOR SHARING THEIR WOTK ONLINE Beadweaver: thanks Georgia Claudia: thank georgia for your time Cynthia: Thanks Georgia....Awesome as usual AKTATTER: UNTIL LATER THEN HAPPY TATTING ALL meowy: hopefully this week i can actually make it to thursday class, stuff keeps happening every week hehe AKTATTER from x.x.x.204 left the chat 6 hours ago Beadweaver: bye Claudia: and thanks elllen lai and marille of course AnneB: Thanks GEorgia! Cynthia: Anyone want to just chat for a bit? AnneB: Further down I found this pattern: http://yarnplayertats.blogspot.com/2008/12/quickie-snowflake-earrings.html Barb: Thank you Georgia. :) Barb: I can stay for a while Cynthia :) picotsnkeys: I can stay for a few minutes Beadweaver from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 6 hours ago Rosemarie: Pasta Night at the diner - gotta run. Bye All Jenny: Bye all see you next week Jenny from x.x.x.14 left the chat 5 hours ago AnneB: So can I, but I have to check some e-mails and such, will be keeping one eye on the chat though picotsnkeys: Bye Rosemarie and Jenny picotsnkeys: what are you working on Cynthia? I know class takes a huge amount of time...but.... Cynthia: Awesome that so many can stay for a bit and chat Denise: Does anyone have a GR8 shuttle? Cynthia: Trying to get Christmas stuff done so I can have it ready to mail by the 10th...I hate last minute Cynthia: also a lid/ cover for a milk pitcher... Raelara: no, denise, I don't Raelara: never heard of those Denise: I was thinking about ordering one from handy hands. Not sure what kind of wood they have. Guess it doesn't matter too much. My husband asked what I wanted for Christmas and I'm thinking of telling him the Wood GR8 shuttle Cynthia: a doily doesn't quite work... AnneB: Not yet - I am waiting for a double bobin GR8 from HandyHandsTatting Cynthia: Yes I love my gr8 shuttles both the single and double bobbin ones Denise: I'm not ready for double bobbin. Not sure what to do with 2. I can barely make one work ha Raelara: I need a double bobbin shuttle Raelara: but I hate the metal shuttles AnneB: Sooner or later you'll need one, Denise Barb: Cynthia, you are ambitious! :) Barb: Are you tatting it all, or doing other things too? Cynthia: The double bobbin shuttles are very handy...I'm awaiting my order for 2 silent tatters--single and double.. Denise: what are silent tatters? Cynthia: both some tatting some embroidery---not fancy just lazy daisies around the birthdays for 8 calendars Cynthia: Silent Tatters are a bobbin shuttle...it is the name of it. Let me get a link...brb Barb: I can't wait until you get them Cynthia. I am looking forward to hearing how they work for you. Raelara: yeah, what are the silent tatters? Barb: Hmm.. I think it means that they don't make the clicking sound when you pull the thread out?? Not sure though?? Cynthia: http://www.roseground.com/18 they don't make the same sound you get with a clover or other post shuttles Cynthia: I've had to switch to all wood shuttles (hook/pick and screws excepted) due to they feel better in my gimpy hands Denise: they look like the gr8 shuttles Barb: Did you order extra bobbins too? Raelara: I may have to try these. I love my aeros, but the bobbins get loose and then they are hard to tension picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: they are very similar to the gr8 Cynthia: are they true aero's or aero look alikes? Denise: did you get classic or traditional? Raelara: they are true aeros, pretty sure Raelara: at least two of them are for sure picotsnkeys: my computer put me on time out until I rebooted....lol...sorry.... Raelara: but I got some replacement bobbins and those didn't fit as well Cynthia: classic with the hook Yuma Tatter: sorry, guys, got to go.. Thanks... enjoyed the class picotsnkeys: I like my wood shuttle a lot. Then I reach for the clover shuttles I have since they're different colors. It helps me keep track of shuttle 1 and shuttle 2. Cynthia: bye yuma may I share the story? AnneB: Bye Yuma! picotsnkeys: See you soon Yuma Denise: bye yuma Raelara: bye yuma Yuma Tatter: Absolutely! I like the idea... tatting...dancing...... Cynthia: I liked my aero and aero wanna be's but they are too hard on my hands Cynthia: (boo hiss) Raelara: arthritis?? Cynthia: Okay I'll share the story Cynthia: we thought it was but the new doc says it is a ligament and tendon problem not the joints.... Raelara: interesting Cynthia: back to the yum a...story Raelara: I have joint problems too Raelara: no fun picotsnkeys: me too. It took away my music career Cynthia: My daughter Jan is usually very harsh about her own mistakes and gets incredibly grumpy about them...it can last more than a day. It is picotsnkeys: :( Cynthia: related to her brain injury from being hit by a car in 1995 Raelara: no fun Raelara: I am really trying to keep my joints from ending my music Raelara: though violin is very difficult with stiff fingers Cynthia: she looked over my shoulder and said...Yum a tatter who dances...dancing tatting...then broke into giggles that lasted the rest of the day picotsnkeys: oh I love it!!!!!! Cynthia: she still asks and disolves into gigglies if Yum a Tatter is in class.... picotsnkeys: I'll be giggling too! picotsnkeys: May I share that with the bell choir tonight in rehearsal? AnneB: LOL Raelara: lol Denise: haha that great Cynthia: I saw some flashes of an incredibly strong woman see joy in a mistake instead of being angry with herself Cynthia: Of course but you must giggle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! picotsnkeys: that I do well.....better than I tat! Yuma Tatter: couldn't keep from staying online for the story. Our addy of travelingdancers is because we travel full time and square dance, but I like tattingdancer Barb: what a wonderful story. :) Cynthia: the short story on Jan 4th of July 1995 she was hit by a car...We spent 24 days in ICU then 52 more in hospital rehab and a full 2 more years doing therapy twice a week picotsnkeys: k Raelara: better go ... bye all! AnneB: Bye Raelara! picotsnkeys: bye Raelara Barb: I love violin music Raelara Cynthia: We were told she would never....walk, do academics...speak....I won't list everything...She will graduate fromm OKlahoma State University in May!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cynthia: she walks to class Barb: I also love the 'fiddle' music from the Southern States and also love hearing the Celtic violins. Barb: I don't know any of the names of the songs, just love hearing them. LOL Yuma Tatter: What a wonderful story in itself! AnneB: That is great Cynthia! picotsnkeys: Wahhoooooo!!! Cynthia: She wants to be a Social Worker in a hospital and help others who have severe injuries picotsnkeys: We must find a tatting pattern to celebrate! Barb: Such a heartwarming story of a spirit who refuses to take 'no' for an answer! Good for her! And good for you for doing all you do to help her along! picotsnkeys: besides the navigator you have Cynthia: Thanks for the good wishes from everyone. Barb: She will be a wonderful social worker for people with head injuries because she knows what it's like and the patients will be able to relate to her. Cynthia: Jan is an awesome woman now 30 by the calendar but think 17 or 18 in dealing with her own mistakes. picotsnkeys: she has already proven her strength of character she will need Yuma Tatter: really am going this time....bye! picotsnkeys: bye Yuma Cynthia: Her rehab doc said Jan what you want to do you can do...it may take longer or be different but you can Cynthia: Bye and than you Yum a Barb: sometmes having a young mind is a good thing to have. I know my hubby, Danny is only about 12 years old mentally now because of the strokes. And he is a happy 12 year old. Innocently sweet and kind. Cynthia: I will always see it as Yum a not Yuma.... picotsnkeys: strength to you also Barb! picotsnkeys: stokes can be so hard to watch. Barb: And his outlook on life is so untangled and pure. I have to step back and remind myself that not everything is so serious all the time. LOL picotsnkeys: I meant strokes Barb: ty picotsnkeys Cynthia: Jan sets a goal and you have 2 choices help or get run over as she goes for it. Barb: It was 5 1/2 years ago. So we finally settled into a routine of sorts. Some days he's a toddler mentally though.. just depends on the day. Cynthia: My wish for everyone is they never have to deal with a TBI--traumatic Brain injury of any kind picotsnkeys: sounds like my fireball named Stephanie picotsnkeys: I agree about TBI picotsnkeys: ditto for Alzheimers AnneB: So do I Barb: But he is such a sweet spirit now and I learn to just 'let it go' and enjoy life because of his sweet attitude. He wasn't like that before.. he was really a grumpy man. Barb: Stephanie? Cynthia: Losing a person is hard but having the person but not the brain is a damn site harder. Cynthia: Barb I think you are an incredibly strong woman... Barb: You know, that is so true Cynthia. Because they are not the same person. And they are 'there, but not there' picotsnkeys: You've reminded me of my relationship with my Dad after his strokes. He said 'Please" for the first time any of us remembered. We were shocked and giggling! Barb: I feel the same about you Cynthia. Cynthia: Thanks we've been thru hell and just keep going....strong.... Barb: Picots.. yes, Danny says please and thank you all the time now too. He was a 'man's man' type of guy before and was really demanding.. But now he's a sweetie. Cynthia: Melanie too....I bet just a bit different as it was her dad Barb: I feel blessed that he is sweet. Because I know that it could have gone the other way and he could have been combattive like my friend's husband was. picotsnkeys: It was kinda fun as I'd said my "goodbyes" to him when I moved away to go to college. I gained a new Dad when he fell ill. Barb: What else can we do Cynthia? We love them, and just because they are brain damaged now, doesn't mean that they should be thrown away. Cynthia: How true...Jan has days of combattiveness and is incredibly hard on herself for inconsequential mistakes Barb: Picots..what's your real name? I should know by now.. but I forgot.. sorry. Cynthia: and then giggles for 2 days at Yum a .... picotsnkeys: no prob...it's Melanie Barb: Yes, I can understand waht you mean about a 'new dad'. Barb: Oh dang of cours. thanks. picotsnkeys: I decided to use a screen name as there was already a Melanie signing in and I can't type my last name fast Cynthia: We have the old normal and the new "normal" just different from the rest of the world... Barb: It's amazing how many people I have met on the internet who have family members affected by stroke or some other kind of TBI. Barb: LOL picotsnkeys: so, what does it mean when my Steph is combative and not brain damaged??? Barb: Good reason Melanie hehehe Cynthia: yup lots of us find others on the internet...How old is she Melanie? picotsnkeys: she is only 16, but....a true type A Barb: One beading list I was on had three Barbaras so we called ourselves Barb 1 Barb 2 and Barb 3 LOL picotsnkeys: Some days I give up and yell back...a lot! Cynthia: it means she is trying to be a grown up and hasn't yet figured it out.... AnneB: Sorry about slipping out - you are dealing with your challenges in wonderful ways! Barb: LOL it just means that she is a teenager. ROFL Cynthia: and yes wometimes we yell Barb: wb Anne Cynthia: Bye Anne good to have you with us...See you Thursday if you can...I got it covered otherwise picotsnkeys: she did get all her college applications in this weekend. Maybe she'll destress a bit now! AnneB: Know the problem Barb - there are a lot of Anne about... Barb: Is she your first teen Melanie? picotsnkeys: But only one from Norway that we know! picotsnkeys: No, my son was the polar opposite...a gentle spirit and soft spoken. picotsnkeys: He's in the Air Force now. lol Barb: My sister is named Ann. But we call her Annie AnneB: We are two Anne in Tromsų that tat AND sit in the board of the local astronomy club! Cynthia: WOW picotsnkeys: hhmmmm if she ever starts signing in to class......lol Barb: LOL Anne, what a coincidence huh? AnneB: She does bobinlace too and I don't - yet Cynthia: did you clone yourself Anne? AnneB: She does not have any "B" to atatch to her name AnneB: No - we look quite different LOL Barb: You know you said you don't bobinlace 'yet' . At first I just wanted to learn to tatt to do the memorial to my mom. Now I want to do it for myself too. It's fun. And I find that I'm also looking into other thread arts like lace making. I have always Barb: loved Irish Crochet and been toying with it for years. Now I'm seriously learning it. AnneB: I have everything I need to star doing bobin lace - except time picotsnkeys: I began tatting because I *fail* at knitting and crochet, but love working with fibers. Barb: Also, I know a woman here locally who is going to teach me teneriffe lace making. AnneB: Teneriffe lace making? picotsnkeys: Wish you could sit in on the Lace Museum classes. They are way over my head, but look interesting. Barb: Mel, I've pretty much worked mostly with beads. But I have crocheted since I was about 7 years old when my Mom taught me how to make chains. Barb: When the kids were little I used to make Barbie doll clothes for my daugher and little teddy bears for my sons. Also did macrame, punch embroidery, and even tried my hand at latchhook rugs.. but didn't like that too much. picotsnkeys: My Mom taught me organ playing. I still consider myself an organist even though I don't play regularly! AnneB: Wish I could visit a lace museum... Barb: Yes Anne, It's made on a kind of 'loom' of sorts?? picotsnkeys: You just have to swing a business trip to NASA Ames in Mountain View! Barb: hm. dont' know how to describe it. Barb: The 'loom' is usually a round thing and you run threads from the center out to the outside and then you weave between them. Barb: let me see if I can find a link brb picotsnkeys: could you find a way to work with the folks that crashed into the moon? AnneB: Hm - NASA Ames - will have to work on that idea LOL picotsnkeys: it's closer to the museum than my house picotsnkeys: and closer to Lacis in Berkeley picotsnkeys: brb Barb: http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/monographs/proc_tener.pdf Barb: that's a link to a free public domain book about it. Cynthia: those are pretty! Barb: I guess we have a lace society or guild here in Portland somewhere. I am going to look into it to see what they are about. Barb: Yes, and they don't look too hard to do. Barb: If you google for it you can see some nice stuff. AnneB: They look nice and doable! Barb: http://www.flickr.com/photos/knittingand/479230135/ Barb: That's a link to a teneriffe cushion. guess that's what they use for a 'loom' Barb: As I look at more and more laces I can really see how tatting, crochet and other laces are really connected in a lot of ways. It's like one evolved off of the other. picotsnkeys: k Barb: But the lady who is going to teach me next Spring says that you can make a loom out of just about anything. Cynthia: that looks interesting....and I think they did or had a start by a mistake that looked good Barb: She is making one out of a discarded CD. She must drill holes in or something? I don't know. Cynthia: I know how I "discovered" chains and joins...the joins were an intentional thing Barb: We have an tentative appointment in the Spring after the snow melts. She says shes snow early. AnneB: I guess you could - all you need is one (or rather several) circkles of pins - the number dividable by four or six picotsnkeys: I have to revert back to the Mom role now and pick up my daughter from school. Happy tatting everyone! Barb: I love learning about forumlas Anne. How did you come to the 4 or 6 conclusion? Barb: Ok Mel.. hope you have a wonderful day! Its been fun talking with you. :) Barb: Cynthia.. isn't discovery wonderful! AnneB: If you want to attatch them together AnneB: Melanie Cynthia: bye Melanie AnneB: Bye Melanie (myst remember to type all the words) AnneB: must picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 left the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: Anne you translate then type I'd awed by your ability.... Barb: One of the beading formulas for 3-bead picot edge netting is 'multiples of 4, plus 2) That gives you the correct number of beads to string to do a certain bead netting techniques. AnneB: With a number dividable by four you can make a square pattern Cynthia: that should be I'm AnneB: With a number dividable by six you can make a ... (and some time my English slips) Barb: Oh..that makes sense Anne Barb: hexigon? six sided motif AnneB: ... six fold symmetry pattern (turning to mathematics) Barb: Someone can show me how to do a pattern and I may or may not be able to do it again. But if you explain the math..or the reason behind it, then I can figure it out again. AnneB: One in center and six around it (as adding tatted motifs together) Barb: We are talking very basic math here though. The highest I ever went in math was algebra. I never took geometry and I wish I had now. Barb: Of course, I can learn it on the internet now. :) Cynthia: byb phone AnneB: If you use a number dividable by 12, you can decide to go for square or six-sided later as 12 is dividable with both 4 and 6 Barb: k Cynthia Barb: Ahhh... thank you. that makes sense. Could you also do a triangle since 12 is also dividable by 3? Denise: sorry I sort of vanished from chat. I was arguing with my snowflake and paperclip. I lost. The shuttle thread broke somehow as I tried to connect to the paperclip Barb: Oh Dang Denise! I'm sorry to hear that. AnneB: A triangle could also do - six triangles would make a hexagon (with six sides) Denise: I'll have to try again later. And I was almost finished too Cynthia: I can't type in 1 language...lol Barb: LOL Cynthia. we knew what you meant.. LOL Cynthia: Denise when you do the join it should slide fairly easily but not perfect Barb: Bummer Denise AnneB: That is too bad Denise - hope your second go ends better Denise: I might just make it and forget the paperclip and hang it instead Cynthia: I'd probably use a tiny drop of superglue and stick it to the paperclip so the ends don't unravel Barb: Anne, for the past couple of years people who bead have been doing beading using various geometric shapes. There is some really beautiful geometric beadwork out there now. Cynthia: that's a good idea too! You could add a post earring or a hoop and nave an awesome Christmas earring Barb: Good idea! AnneB: Geometry is important in needlework - even if you are not aware of it ;-) Cynthia: I'm keeping the links so I can use them Thursday...save them ...as a join is a join Barb: brb.. danny needs something AnneB: And you don't have to know that you are using geometry when doing needlework - you just do LOL Denise: Well it is nearly 4pm and I have to call my doctors office before they close so I better be off. It was fun. Bye all! See you later Cynthia: how true. Anne you and my hubby would communicate well...he has used math all his life and I'm the non math person Cynthia: bye Denise AnneB: Bye Denise Barb: Sorry you have to go denise.. but hopefully will see you later. :) Cynthia: I can use it if he tells me how to do the problem but othersiws I'm lost Barb: Anne, you know, I was always intimidated by math and espeially geometry until I realized one day that when we are doing our thread arts like tatting, crochet or beadwork etc, you are really using geometry without realizing it. Cynthia: and not dealing with the equations with letters not numbers...lol Barb: That's why I want to learn more about it now. Cynthia: I think what you want is spacial analysis...way over my head but beyond geometry Cynthia: Anne am I off base? Barb: I think I'm going to go search the internet and find information on beginning geometry so I can learn more. :) Barb: Well, not right now. LOL I'll do it later hehehe AnneB: You can do a lot of geometry without having to deal with numbers AnneB: I'll need to check on some English phrases Cynthia: I can do it with numbers just not letters...I don't see how it works.... Barb: I know that i my beadwork designs I have used math without realizing it. I didn't realize it until I wrote my 2nd book on a certain type of beadwork technique Cynthia: am I off base?--does it make sense... Barb: That you use 'formulas' to get the motifs to come out right. Barb: Spacial analysis? never heard of it. What is it? Cynthia: hmmmmm maybe I need one of your books Barb.... AnneB: BRB my brother wants a short (?) chat Cynthia: using math to figure out relationships...way beyond my level Barb: My books are out of print. And this one was just for doing a design with a certian beadwork technique called 'peyote beadwork'. Cynthia: okay Anne Cynthia: Send me a list by email I'll look in used book stores...lol You never know what will turn up on amazon .com used.... AnneB: Look up tessellation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessellation Barb: It's an interlocking technique in which the beads sit like 'teeth in a zipper'. It's a bit complicated to design for. So it would probably be really boring. Cynthia: I could just look at the pictures...lol Barb: The horizongal rows are jaged but the columns are straight Cynthia: it does sound interesting to me tho Barb: going there Anne. Cynthia: Interesting but a bit mind boggling.... AnneB: Tessellation short version: AnneB: Use a square or a triangle as a base for a motif you want to use for a bigger piece AnneB: This is interesting chatting at two places at once LOL Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 4 hours ago Barb: Rats.. got booted off the internet Barb: I bookmarked it Anne so I can go back and read it again Cynthia: that makes sense...lol I was going to say dumb it down for me...but I understand so I guess you don't need to dumb it down for me AnneB: Tessellation is fun - and makes you think a lot too Cynthia: my phone ran right as I was typing that Cynthia: I need to go get my family from work in about 10 minutes so I need so say bye for a bit... Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 4 hours ago Barb: booted again.. grrrr. That's frustrating. Stupid aol! LOL Cynthia: the call was about the parade on Thursday--SPB (Stillwater Pipe Band) marches AnneB: Ups - and I should have been going to bed for a while ago! Barb: ok see you later Cynthia AnneB: Bye and see you later! Cynthia: I get to stay home and do tatting...YTeah! AnneB from x.x.x.184 left the chat 4 hours ago Cynthia: Bye anne Barb: Thank you Anne for the discussion on design. You have given me a lot to think about Barb: I also love looking at fractiles Barb: spelling? Cynthia: bye Barb...she does make our brain work.... Barb: A computer friend of mine sent me a link to them one time Cynthia: looks good to me...I know what theuy are Barb: Bye Cyn. see you later. Cynthia: bye and Peace ... Barb: Cyn. I'll send you a link to the beadwork I was talking about. Barb: I tried to put one here, but the computer kept crashing. Barb: ok I'm goine too peace to you too. Paule from x.x.x.147 joined the chat 2 hours ago maria alcant from x.x.x.80 joined the chat 2 hours ago Paule: Allo evryone! maria alcant: HI! Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 2 hours ago Cynthia: Hi Maria and Paule I think we are the only ones here right now maria alcant: yes... Paule: I was very interested by tessalation Paule: Anne Cynthia: AnneB is so smart I wish I had half of her ability at math...lol maria alcant: I saw the link Anne gave you....and is a very interesting item...I had been looking some pages Cynthia: it is a very interesting subject and the link is a good explanation too maria alcant: and the rest of the limks take you to a interesting trip.... maria alcant: I will continue cheking them...but it will require a lot of time....slowly... Cynthia: We were chatting after class. It is easy to do. Did you read about the mistaken reading of an address my daughter did? it is up aways maria alcant: no. What happend... maria alcant: Paule are you there???? Cynthia: A short version...There is a gal whose address is Yuna Tatter (traveling dancer Cynthia: I don't know the rest of the addy off the top of my head Paule: Anne you said .use a square or triangle as a base for motive. I found that very interesting... Paule: Yes Maria I am there Cynthia: but Jan mis read it as Yum a tatting dancer....then as she heard herself she burst into giggling just a happy bubbly giggling Cynthia: I saw a glimpse of an incredibly strong capable woman who could laugh at herself...something that doesn't often happen for her. She will forgive everyoneelse Paule: Happy bubbly giggling is what I feel tonight: I do not have have breast cancer! Paule: At least for now! Winkerbill from x.x.x.186 joined the chat 112 minutes ago Winkerbill: hi everyone Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 112 minutes ago Cynthia: who makes a mistake but she is incredibly harsh on herself usually but this time it struck her as funny maria alcant: great notice! Paule.... Cynthia: Hi barb and Wink Winkerbill: hi Cynthina Cynthia: AWESOME Paule that is so fantastic Winkerbill: hehehe....let the typos begin Barb: Hi everyone :) Cynthia: lets not go there Wink...if you looked at the earlier posts... Winkerbill: brb - i'm starting a pot of tea for class.... maria alcant: HI barb and winker? Cynthia: Barb I found the first book on line and am checking with the seller right now Winkerbill: hey, that's wonderful news Paule Cynthia: Jan would love it for Christmas...she beads...not as much as she'd like but in College and working leaves less time than she would like Barb: Hi Maria :) maria alcant: which first book Cyn? Cynthia: Lets all do a happy dance to celebrate!!!!!!!!!!! Barb: which first book Cynthia? Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 108 minutes ago AKTATTER from x.x.x.227 joined the chat 107 minutes ago Cynthia: I'll have to look it up again...I saw the information on Peyote beading and just followed it Winkerbill: hi Georgia! Barb: Which book Cynthia?? maria alcant: Hi G!!!! AKTATTER: hello all erin in tenn. from x.x.x.100 joined the chat 107 minutes ago erin in tenn.: Hi, all! Winkerbill: hi Erin maria alcant: HI erin.... AKTATTER: PAULE I AM SO GLAD erin in tenn.: Hi, Maggie and Maria! AKTATTER: HELLO ALL Barb: HI Georgia erin in tenn.: Hello Georgiabelle and Paule! AKTATTER: SORRY ABOUT THE TEL ERIN, GEORGE HAD BEEN HAULING CORN ALL DAY AND THEY WERE FULL OF WAR STORIES TO SHARE FROM THEIR TRIP TO THE BIG TOWN TO GET HAMBURGERS AKTATTER: S! AKTATTER from x.x.x.227 joined the chat 105 minutes ago Cynthia: Peyote At Last AKTATTER: GUYS! erin in tenn.: LOL! Barb: Oh LOL There are still some out there? LOL Winkerbill: heheheh....too true Winkerbill: brb - checking on my tea..... erin in tenn.: It's a throwback to that whole "hunter and gathering" thing. . . Barb: My book was written way back in the early days of the contemporary beadwork movement. There are much better books written now. Cynthia: It is used....but Jan won't mind...she is fascinated by beading AKTATTER: OK EVENING SESSION NOV. 30, 2009 NEEDLE TATTING ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS TO START THE NIGHT WITH? erin in tenn.: Will you have fries with that? Cynthia: but she prefers one from someone she "knows" even if just thru mom... AKTATTER: LOL YOU MUST BE RIGHT, NOW THEY HAVE MOVED ON TO TRIBAL RIVALRIES, AKA FOOTBALL ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Dec 1 02:51:47 2009 GMT (180 KB) Page 3 of 4 - Char 102435 to 153634 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Winkerbill: I decided a few days ago to play around with the needle....figured out how to do 2-handed pearl tatting. It's slow, but it looks the way it's supposed to! Winkerbill: ;-) AKTATTER: HEY STEPH THAT IS GOOD TO NKNOW AKTATTER: SPEAKING OF WHICH IF THERE ARE NO QUESWTIONS LET'S LOOK AT THE TWO NEW NEEDLE TATTING PAGES Barb: Cynthia.. to be honest.. probably the best book out there for a beginner is 'Creative Bead Weaving by Carol Wilcox Wells. It's a classic now. Cynthia: Georgia I read that as TRIVIAL not Tribal Rivalries......I guess you know how I stand.... AKTATTER: AS STEPH JUST MENTIONED, PEARL TATTING WITH TWO HANDS ON THE NEEDLE IS AWKWARD AT FIRST BUT YOU SOON GET THE RYHTYM OF IT AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/pearltat/pearltat2hands.html AKTATTER: I'M WITH YOU CYN Barb: My Peyote At Last was still in a NA mindset. Cynthia: Barb that may be but she'd rather have one of yours.... AKTATTER: LET'S LOOK AT THE PHOTOS Barb: Awww.. what a sweetie. If I had any left I'd just send her an autographed one. Barb: But I dont have any left. AKTATTER: LEFT COLUM SHOWS THE LEFT HAND WRAPPING DS NORMALLY ON THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: FIRST HALF STITCH AKTATTER: THEN SECOND HALF STITCH Cynthia: so goes life....back to tatting before Georgia puts us in a corner.... Barb: Cynthia. we cant talk in email about this ok? AKTATTER: RIGHT COLUMN SHOWS THE RIGHT HAND WRAPPING DS ONTO THE NEEDLE Barb: Ooh. sorry Georgia.. didn't know we had started already. AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: REMEMBER WHEN WORKING THE OPPOSITE SIDE TO USE RODS, REVERSE ORDER ON THE HALF STITCHES AKTATTER: SO SECOND HALF STITCH IS WRAPPED FIRST AKTATTER: THEN FIRST HALF STITCH IS WRAPPED SECOND AKTATTER: ONCE YOU GET THE FEEL OF IT IT GOES FAIRLY FAST, JUST SWTITC THE NEEDLE FROM HAND TO HAND AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PEARL OR MALTESE TATTING DONE WITH TWO HANDS? maria alcant: no! AKTATTER: OK! Barb: Left handed ds equals regular ds.. but right hand does 2nd half of ds first. AKTATTER: THE LET'S LOOK AT THE JIFFY NEEDLE TATTING STYLE WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK ALSO AKTATTER: CORRECT BABR AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/JNT/jntbasics.html AKTATTER: THE FIRSRT ROW ARE PHOTOS 1 - 4 THE SCEOND ROW ARE PHOTOS 5- 8 AKTATTER: THE FIRST DIFFERENCE IS THE MOST OBVIOUS AKTATTER: THE CARRYING CORD IS A DOUBLE THREAD, NO KNOT IN THE TAILS AKTATTER: SEE PHOTO 1 WHICH SHOWS THE DOUBLE END PLACED THROUGH THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: BOTH THAT LOOP AND THE UNKNOTTED TAILS ARE HELD BACK IN THE PALM OF TH RIGHT HAND AKTATTER: HAS ANY ONE DONE THIS YET? AKTATTER: IS ANYHONE AWAKE? Winkerbill: i tried it just to prove to myself I could do it, but just did 1 ring maria alcant: what you use this tecnic for ?g AKTATTER: AM I ALL ALONE AND FEELING BLUE? maria alcant: no...... AKTATTER: LOL OK GOOD ONE OF YOUS IS STILL AWAKER erin in tenn.: I'm here. AKTATTER: OK GREAT AKTATTER: HANG ON MARIA WITH THAT QUESTION PLEASE Paule: I am awake... but stunned!... maria alcant: wait......... AKTATTER: OK PHOTO TWO SHOWS THE COMPLETED WORK ON THE NEEDLE BEING SLIDE ONTO THE DOUBLED CARRYING CORD AKTATTER: NOTE THE FINGER IN THE LOOP erin in tenn.: I was just going through all those pictures wrapping my head around "jiffy" and "needle" in the same sentence. Paule: Good Lord! AKTATTER: PHOTO 3 SHOWS THE TAILS HAVE BEEN DRAWN ALL THE WAY THRU Winkerbill: i discovered tatting with the needle makes a great "break" for your fingers when you've been tatting so much with the shuttle that you've worn the skin in several spots to the point of soreness from the friction of thread going past those places.... AKTATTER: IT IS TRULY FASTER THAN REGULAR NEEDLE TATTING Winkerbill: ;-) so last week was a big needle tatting week at our house. Barb: I haven't tried it yet. Was too busy this afternoon AKTATTER: BUT NOTE THE FINGER IS STILL IN THE LOOP IN POHTO 3 AKTATTER: PHOTOS 4 SHOWS THE NEEDLE BEIGN BROUGHT THRU THE LOOP (FINGER IS GONE NOW) AKTATTER: PHOTO 5 SHOWS THE SLACK BEING REMOVED AND THE RING CLOSED AKTATTER: THE NEXT SEGMENT IS A CHAIN Winkerbill: why does the double carrying thread make it so much faster than regular needle tatting? erin in tenn.: Georgia, that looks positively psychotic. ;-) AKTATTER: SEE HOW PHOTO 6 SHOWS A FINGER IN THE LOOP STILL WHILE THE DS ARE BEING WRAPPED AKTATTER: HANG IN THERE WITH THAT QUESTION STEPH Winkerbill: ok ;- AKTATTER: POTO 7 SHOWS THE WORK SLIDING OFF ONTO THE DOUBLE CARRYING CORD AKTATTER: AND THE LAST PHOTO SHOWS THE STRAIGHT CHAIN AND THERE IS A CLEAR VIEW OF THE DOUBLED CARRYING CORD AKTATTER: YOU CAN BEGIN WRAPPING THE NEXT PART OF THE PATTERN AT ONCE AKTATTER: ON MARIA, THIS TECHNIQUE IS PARTICULARLY GOOD FOR USING A PLAIN CORD AS THE DOUBLED CARRYING CORD AKTATTER: AND USING EXPENSIVE, FAT, FLUFFY, TEXTURED OR METALLIC FIBERS ON THE OUTSIDE AKTATTER: OK STEPH THE JNT METHOD IS FASTER BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU DO "NOT" DO IN THIS METHOD maria alcant: and how it will look when finish?..... AKTATTER: THERE IS NO TYING OFF THE RINGS, NO REAL REVERSE WORK, JUST MANHANDLE IT INTO PLACE AKTATTER: THIS STYLE WILL DEFINITELY GIVE THE PADDED LOOK erin in tenn.: LOL! Is this where the whole burger thing becomes relevant? Winkerbill: so you don't turn the work, just kind of twist things around to the right place? AKTATTER: AND THIS PADDED LOOK IS A SIGN OF JNT METHOD AKTATTER: YEP YOU CAN EVEN, GASP, HORRORS! ROTATE THE DS ON TEH CHAIN AROUND TO GET THEM INTO THE RIGHT POSITION Liz_ from x.x.x.175 joined the chat 89 minutes ago Winkerbill: hi Liz Liz_: Hi AKTATTER: THIS METHOD IS PARTICULARLY USEFUL FOR DOING LARGE PROJECRTS LIKE BABY CLOTHES, BLANKETS AND AFGHANS USING FAT YARN maria alcant: hi liz AKTATTER: WELCOME LIZ Liz_: hello AKTATTER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? maria alcant: do you have a proyect to try it??? Barb: No not at this time. I might have questions once I try it. Barb: Oh maybe one? Winkerbill: So the half-a-scarf I needle tatted several years ago would probably have been better looking if I'd used the JNT method.... Barb: if you don't end the chain, do you just go right onto the next ring then? Hope G from x.x.x.93 joined the chat 87 minutes ago Liz_: k Beadweaver from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 87 minutes ago AKTATTER: YOU CAN FIND PATTERNS FOR IT IN THE SERIES OF jiFFY nEEDLE TATTING BOOKS AVAILABLE USED FOR SALE ON LINE Winkerbill: (half a scarf because I'm still not done with the other half of teh 2nd sock, and the yarn left from the sock will become other half of the scarf.... AKTATTER: AND WE CAN LOOK FOR A PATTERN TOO FOR NEXT WEEK AKTATTER: WELCOME HOPE AND BEAD Winkerbill: hi HOpe and Beadweaver Beadweaver: hi everyone Barb: Hi :) Hope G: hello Gail from x.x.x.90 joined the chat 86 minutes ago Winkerbill: hi Gail Liz_: hello AKTATTER: OK THEN THERE WILL LBE A SHORT PAUSE UNTIL THE NEXT LESSON STARTS, OPEN CHAT Cynthia: Hi Gail Gail: Hi, all Winkerbill: brb with tea.... ;-) Cynthia: brb I may get bumped but I'll be back... AKTATTER from x.x.x.227 sent out 1 invitation(s) 85 minutes ago Gail: Gonna be quiet for a bit. Just now eating AKTATTER: IF YOU KNOW ANYONE YOU THINK MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN THE TIME WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HERE, PLEASE USE THE INVITE PEOPLE BUTTON TOP LEFT TO INVITE THEM DURING THE PAUSE Winkerbill: plenty of tea left if anyone wants a cup! Katie Verna/occhitat from x.x.x.135 joined the chat 83 minutes ago Barb: sure...I'll take a cup Wink :) Winkerbill: hi Katie! Sherong from x.x.x.151 joined the chat 83 minutes ago Barb: just sugar please, no cream. :) Katie Verna/occhitat: Hi, all. Good to be with you! Winkerbill: hi Sheron! Sherong: Hi all, just got a cup of eggnog so I'll pass on the tea today Liz_: k Barb: Georgia..is this technique called any other name? I am doing a goodle search and I just keep coming up with the books and no online patterns yet. Beadweaver: k AKTATTER from x.x.x.227 sent out 10 invitation(s) 79 minutes ago Winkerbill: k AKTATTER: kATIE, SHERON, GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE TO NIGHT stitchingsharon from x.x.x.32 joined the chat 78 minutes ago Barb: k Winkerbill: hi Sharon Katie Verna/occhitat: k AKTATTER: I DO NOT ANTICIPATE FINDING ANY JNT PATTERNS ONLINE AS THE BOOKS ARE NOT IN PUBLIC DOMAIN, BUT WE MIGHT FIND A PATTERN SUITABLE TO USE THAT METHOD stitchingsharon: I made it... wish I knew why my satellite internet acts up when it is class time Cynthia: Hi Sharon and everyone else who just got here while I was gone AKTATTER: IIN THE CRO-TATTING PATTERNS WHICH ALSO USE FAT YARNS AKTATTER: GREAT SHARON Gail: k Cynthia: I think it knows when to be naughty...tell santa...LOL Liz_: k AKTATTER: YOU SHOULD LIVE IN THE MIDWEST IN THE SUMMER, EARLY EVENING IS PRIMT TIME FOR THUNDER STORMS AND TORNADOES, ALWAYS AT CLASS TIME Katie Verna/occhitat: AK! stitchingsharon: as if that would help... and tech support is half way around the world. Cynthia: it always is... AKTATTER: SO OPEN CHAT FOR 5 MORE MINUTES, ANYONE HAVE A SPECIAL WEBSITE OR BLOG TO SHARE TO NIGHT? Barb: ok thanks Georgia Winkerbill: I think I mentioned this thread when I first bought it - I love it! Gail: brb tea is calling Winkerbill: Sulky "sliver" metallic stitchingsharon: I made the Queen of Hearts -- with a little help from my friends. Winkerbill: comes in 250 yard spools AKTATTER: GOT A PHOTO SHARON? stitchingsharon: I just scanned before trying to sign in for class. Where should I send it? Hope G: k Winkerbill: very smooth, sort of like....not really "blending filament" ....more like ...well...it's too smooth to compare to most blending filaments I've tried AKTATTER: OH DID YOU ALL NOTICE THE HOMEWORK PHOTO BY CAROLYN CRAIG AND SANDRA EICHELBERGER ON THE 2009 INDEX PAGE? Barb: Yikes Georgia! I watched 'Storm Chasers' fanale last night.. Wow.. it was really something! Tornadoes both scare the heck out of me and fascinate me at the same time. erin in tenn.: For those crazy quilting folk (ahem - those with adopted blogs) http://www.pintangle.com/ and http://www.inaminuteago.com Winkerbill: used together with another (cotton) thread, it adds just a tiny bit of sparkle to whatever (snowflakes!!!) you're making Cynthia: me too but I'm on ground zero sometimes...ll AKTATTER: ALSO, FOR THE NEEDLE TATTERS WHO SENT IN THE GRADUATION TEST PHOTOS, I WILL ANSWER YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY WILL NOT BE POSTED ONLINE BECAUSE THEN THE TEST COULD NOT BE USED ANYMORE! AKTATTER: YEP BARB, THEY FASCINATE ME RIGHT INTO THE STORM SHELTER AKTATTER: OH YES, THAT INAMINUTEAGO IS TO DIE FOR! Liz_: k Winkerbill: tornadoes fascinate me, too....but I'd rather be in a different state from wherever they are ...or wherever they're heading. Gail: k Barb: That's so scary Cynthia Hope G: k Paule: Winkerbill where do you buy that thread? Barb: LOL.. hehehe. I would be right there with you Georgia! stitchingsharon: k AKTATTER: THOSE PHOTOS SHOULD GIVE THE ADOPT A BLOCK TATTERS SOME INSPIRATIOIN Winkerbill: bought it at a fabric store - Hancock fabrics. Cynthia: me too wink!!!! but I live in Central Oklahoma.... Beadweaver: k Winkerbill: we got more tornadoes/tornado warnings where i lived in GA than we do here in NC. Barb: Graduation.. Oh I just found the test the other day. LOL I had over 900 emails and I was going through them and saw something that said Test in the subject line. At first I thought it was just someone tesing to see if their email was going through. Then I saw it AKTATTER: BTW, DURING THE WEEK BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S I WILL BE SENDING OUT ALL THE BLOCKS THAT WERE ADOPTED THRU EMAIL Winkerbill: T-storms were much more "violent" in GA, too.... Paule: Winker what is the name of the thread? Barb: was from Georgia. So I opened it up and .. it was the test. Now I have to just get on it and do it. LOL Hope G: l Winkerbill: Sulky "sliver" metallic the number on it is 145-804C erin in tenn.: c Beadweaver: k maria alcant: .... Sherong: It's a sewing thread erin in tenn.: Georgia, were they all adopted? Paule: TY Winker I will try to find it in Canada AKTATTER: NOT YET ABOUT 5 LEFT LANGUISHING AKTATTER: OK LET;S GET STARTED PLEASE SIGN IN Barb: The people on the Storm Chaser series go all over. They just finshed their season last night. Really scary stuff. Some on the Discovery Chanel series are scientists and some are just chasers, some are Cynthia: I want 1 please erin in tenn.: Poor little orphan blocks. . . AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA Gail: Gail Hayes, llawen1@yahoo.com, Maylene, AL Winkerbill: Hope, didn't you say you like to use Sulky thread? It's much harder to find since I've moved, although my "big" source when I lived in GA is not there any more....all but 1 of the needlework shops closed within a year after I left. Winkerbill: ;-) maria alcant: Maria Alcantara. famalcan@prodigy.net.mx. Mexico AKTATTER: NOVE. 30, 2009 EVENING SESSION REGULAR CLASS Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo,com erin in tenn.: erin holloway tataconic@bellsouth.net knoxville tn usa Winkerbill: Stephanie W. in western North Carolina USA Barb: photogs. One was trying to get a shot from inside of the tornado for an imax movie he's making. Wally from x.x.x.221 joined the chat 68 minutes ago Barb: He finally got it after almost a decade of trying. Beadweaver: Debbie Witenski -- Pensylvania USA-- debbie.witenski@gmail.com--needle Liz_: Elizabeth Hendrix Shreveport, LA USA Winkerbill: hi Wally! Paule: Paule Primeau Quebec Canada toujoursvivante@videotron.ca Cynthia: Wink did they go broke without you...LOL AKTATTER: HANCOCKS OF PADUKAH HAS A 20% SALE ON FYI Hope G: hope green love2tat@gmail.com Tucson az maria alcant: Walllyyyyyy....hola!!! stitchingsharon: Sharon Fawns Kentucky USA stitchingsharon@hughes.net Wally: Wally Sosa needledreams@yahoo,com PR AKTATTER: WELCOME ONE AND ALL AND WALLT YOO! Wally: Hi, hola Sherong: Try a shop that sells sewing machines for the Sulky thread. You can also find it online Katie Verna/occhitat: Katie Verna, Creedmoor NC, katie@r-v-r.com AKTATTER: TONIGHT WE BEGIN WITH THE PENULTIMATE PATTERN IN ELLEN LAI'S SERIES OF PAPERCLIP PATTERNS Sherong: Sheron Goldin, sherongb@yahoo.com, Columbia, SC erin in tenn.: Wally! Hola! Cynthia: Locally a Upholstery shop carries ut AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/ellenpclipsnowflake.pdf Barb: Barb Grainger Canby, ORegon USA sonsery@aol.com needle and learning shuttle. Cynthia: I really like the way the center of these look Gail: k Wally: . Winkerbill: i've been toying with the idea of using a size 30 thread combined with some sparkly thin thread for one of these.... Beadweaver: Maybe I'll get it this time around Katie Verna/occhitat: Ellen's designs are so clever and pretty. AKTATTER: OK THIS PATTERN IS ONLY 6 RINGS AND 6 CHAINS stitchingsharon: k maria alcant: great! AKTATTER: ERIN, WALLY DO EITHER OF YOU KNOW OF A PHOTO THAT SHOWS THE SWIRL JOIN, LIKE IN NINA'S JEWLERY, I COULD NOT FIND ONE TODAY AKTATTER: I SUER HOPE THAT ELLEN CONTINUES WITH THEM erin in tenn.: Let me see. . . . . AKTATTER: PLEASE NOTE SOMETHING NEAT ON THE DIAGRAM AKTATTER: THE ONE LINE BAR = FREE STANDING PICOT Wally: I don't have the HD connected to the pc tonight. Can check later Hope G: k AKTATTER: BUT THE TWO LINE BAR = A JOINED PICOT AKTATTER: NICE ILLUSTRATION AKTATTER: ALL THE RINGS JOIN TO EAH OTHER Hope G: very nice maria alcant: she is improving his patterns.. erin in tenn.: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/926flake.html - nice explanation. AKTATTER: NONE OF THE CHAINS JOIN TO EACH OTHER UNTIL THE LAST CHAIN Liz_: k AKTATTER: YES THAT IS A GOOD WRITTEN DESCRIPTION BUT I SURE WISH WE HAD A PHOTO erin in tenn.: click on the bottom left photo. erin in tenn.: You can see the resulting swirly in the picots in the center. AKTATTER: THEN LAST CHAIN USES THE SWIRL JOIN TO JOIN TO THE OTHER 5 CHAINS AT THE SAME TIME AKTATTER: OK Wally: I used it on a motif. let me see if it's on picasa AKTATTER: THIS PAGE IS LOADING SLOWER THAN MOLASSES POURED OVER SNOW Sandy from x.x.x.19 joined the chat 60 minutes ago Winkerbill: hi Sandy Sandy: Hello. Sorry I'm late Liz_: hello Cynthia: ooohhhI like that analogy Katie Verna/occhitat: k AKTATTER: CAN ANYONE SEE IT YET? Winkerbill: when you do a swirl join, you have to be careful to leave a little "space," otherwise the last chain will be too close to the other picots. (Guess how I found THAT out?) Hope G: k Wally: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RCQYwaYfVng2by67ZGjotw?feat=directlink that's what i found fast Winkerbill: I can see it Georgia. Sherong: Recheck the single and double lines. Think single lines are picots to be joined to, double lines are where to join to the picot. AKTATTER: WELCOME SANDY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SWIRL JOIN AKTATTER: FINALLY http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/nlibinswirl1.jpg Winkerbill: Wally, tha'ts a pretty little star. Hope G: wally- that blue is awesome!! AKTATTER: OK GREAT TELL US STEPG maria alcant: yes in the loest picture double clik....and you can see it Wally: I think this one is clearer http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XSZ_4bkGV7OXZWWWpOck4w?feat=directlink erin in tenn.: Pretty, Wally! Winkerbill: that one is pretty, too! Winkerbill: I got bored doing almost 200 snowflakes ....started to play around with my patterns, doing different joins in the center.... Cynthia: all the talent in this room is awesome Sandy: k Winkerbill: decided to experiment with the swirl join, but learned really fast that you have to leave a little extra space when you do the join Wally: thta was part of a class about the motif and i made some variations. I think it's Beaton (sp?) AKTATTER: A FREE STANDING PICOT IS WHAT I REFER TO AS A PICOT THAT CAN BEUSED AS DECORATION OR CONSTRUCTION, I.E.,JOINING, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARER ON THEAT THANKS SHERON Winkerbill: so the last ring (or chain - it was rings in my case) ends up about the same distance as the other rings from the center of that join. Katie Verna/occhitat: k AKTATTER: THOSE ARE BOTH GREAT EXAMPLES, WITH YOUR PERMKISSION WALLY I WILL ADD THEM TO THE PERMANENT FILE OF TECHINQUE PHOTOS FOR THE CLASS WEBSITE erin in tenn.: k Winkerbill: depends on just how big the picots are that you're joining TO Hope G: k Beadweaver: k Wally: yes, no problem AKTATTER: OK TO MAKE THE SWIRL INSERT CROCHET INTO ALL 5 PICOTS AT SAME TIME Gail: k AKTATTER: THEN MAKE THE JOIN, ADJUSTING THE TENSION AND SLACK TO GET A PRETTY STARBURST EFFECT INTHE CENTER maria alcant: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/nlibinswirl1.jpg AKTATTER: THANKS WALLY AKTATTER: ALSO NOTE THE SIZE OF THE PICOTS AKTATTER: THANKS MARIA maria alcant: wally lindos!!!! AKTATTER: LET'S LOOK AT ONLY ONE RING Winkerbill: and if you left home without a crochet hook, and you've only got a shuttle with a pick AKTATTER: RING 1 Barb: Georgia. Does it matter where you start with the crochet hook? Wally: gracias. luego busco el material en espanol. Winkerbill: you can manage - I pulled thread up in the first picot to be joined, stuck my finger in the loop of thread, AKTATTER: 3 DS MEDIIUM PICOT 3 DS VERY LONG PICOT 1 DS TINY PICOT 1 DS JOIN TO LONG PICOT 3 DS MEDIUM PICOT 3 CLOSE RING Winkerbill: pulled that same thread tyhrough the next picot....stuck my finger in the loop again, maria alcant: gracias!!!!!ok Cynthia: way to think Wink... Winkerbill: kept pulling up through each picot until I got to the "end." AKTATTER: AS LONG S YOU GO ONE TO THE NEXT ONE, IF YOU PICKT UP RANDO M IT LOOKS MESSED UP Beadweaver: k Winkerbill: yeah, you have to keep them organized, and you have to be very careful not to accidentally let anything twist. Barb: k AKTATTER: THE LST RING JOINS TO THE PAPERCLIP Winkerbill: but if you're careful, it works. ;-) AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS? Hope G: k maria alcant: k AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO ELEN FOR SHARING HER WORK WITH US Katie Verna/occhitat: Straight forward, AK Barb: What thread are you pulling through? Gail: k AKTATTER: OK SANDRE EICHLEBERGER SHARE A TIP WITH US Wally: I like the treatment of the triple picots Beadweaver: since this isn't beginners, I'll say no. Cynthia: It looks like I could do it and a thank you to Ellen AKTATTER: YOU ARE MAKING A CHAIN BARB, SO TAKE THE THREAD THAT FORM THE DS NOT THE CORE THREAD TO PULL THRU THE 5 PICOTS Cynthia: what is your question Beadweaver? AKTATTER: BEAD ASK ANYTHING ANYTIME AKTATTER: WE LIVE FOR THE CHALLENGE! AKTATTER: PLAY STUMP THJE TEACHER AKTATTER: http://psychotatter.blogspot.com/2009/09/crazy-tatting-tip-du-jour.html maria alcant: jajaja Beadweaver: I still can't do the Long picot in the first ring Winkerbill: the thread you pulled through the firtst picot - you're pulling that same loop of thread - without letting anything twist - pull the same loop through all of the picots. (You're essentially using your finger as a thread holder since you forgot your crochet hook....) Wally: :-) stump the teahcer. like that AKTATTER: SANDRA POINTS OUT A GREAT USE OF THE FLOSS THREAD AKTATTER: OK CAN YOU MAKE THE LONG PICOT, USING A PICOT GAUGE,NOT JUST EYEBALL IT? Liz_: k Beadweaver: I have all up to Sandy: k Katie Verna/occhitat: k stitchingsharon: come on Beadweaver -- You can do it. Just like a regular picot -- just super size it! erin in tenn.: Hope said she would take a block if I would. erin in tenn.: Any other takers? AKTATTER: ONCE YOU HAVE THE GIANT PICOT AND ARE READY TO JOIN Beadweaver: tp ;pmg [icot Hope G: I will if Katie V will... Beadweaver: oops AKTATTER: PULL THE BEND OF THE LOOP DOWN NEXT TOT THE PINCH Cynthia: or is the problem how to get it that big? Katie Verna/occhitat: Done, Hope!! AKTATTER: LAY IT OVER THE THREAD JUST LIKE WHEN JOINING TO A REGULAR PICOT Hope G: OK... tat covers 3 AKTATTER: PULL HT ETHREAD UP/DOWN (YOUR CHOICE) AND COMPLETE JOIN Beadweaver: I have that part, remember I am on a needle erin in tenn.: Alright, Sheron/Sharren - can we shame either of you to take a block? AKTATTER: NOW YOU CAN PULL ON THE INNER LEG OF THE PICOT TO ADJUST THE LENGTH Wally: i have been making double picots all this week! I'm tire of them. lol Mimi from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 47 minutes ago Katie Verna/occhitat: Hello, Mimi! AKTATTER: OK ON THE NEEDLE TAT THE LONG PICOT AND THEN THE SMALL PICOT Mimi: Hi Katie Barb: rofl Wally Hope G: wally- I thought you NEVER got tired of TATTING>>>> AKTATTER: SLIDE ALL THAT OFF THE NEEDLE Winkerbill: hi Mimi! erin in tenn.: Mimi! Hope G: Hugs MiMi AKTATTER: LET IT JUST FLOP AROUND, DON'T MAKE A RING YET Mimi: Hi Stephanie, Erin, Hope AKTATTER: MIMI WELCOME! maria alcant: hi mimi Gail from x.x.x.90 joined the chat 46 minutes ago Cynthia: Hi Mimi Beadweaver: yes erin in tenn.: That's what they all say, Georgia. Hope G: floppy?? Wally: from tatting never, but from making the same pattern a dozen time yes! lol Gail: oops AKTATTER: NOW JUST PHYSICALLY BRING THE LONG PICOT UP TO THE NEEDLE Mimi: Hi Georgia, Cynthia and others too, sorry to disrupt. AKTATTER: PUT THAT LOOP OVER THE POITN OF THE NEEDLE Beadweaver: ok AKTATTER: NOE FINISHING WRAPPING THE DS NEEDED 3 MEDIUM PICOTR 3 AND SLIDE THE WORK OFF Sandy: Hi Mimi AKTATTER: BRING EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND THEN FORM THE RING Beadweaver: pull it through Liz_: k AKTATTER: YOU CAN INTERRUPT YOUR WORK ON THE NEEDLE stitchingsharon: k Hope G: k Hope G: k Wally: . AKTATTER: JUST SLIDE THE FINISHED PART OFF BUT NOT FULLY DOWN THE CARRYING CORD maria alcant: ... Cynthia: k Katie Verna/occhitat: k erin in tenn.: k AKTATTER: STOP AND DO YOUR LITTLE BUGALOO AND THEN SLIDE THE REST OFF AND FINISH AKTATTER: I HEARD THAT ERIN AKTATTER: OK BACK TO SASNDRA'S DENTAL FLOSS THREAD AKTATTER: USED A THE MAGIC THREAD TRICK Katie Verna/occhitat: That Erin knows how to whip us up! AKTATTER: THE DENTAL FLOSS THREADER IS FIRM BUT FLEXIBLE AKTATTER: YOU INSERT THE FLOSS THREAD INTO THE WORK FOLLOWING THE CORE THREAD AKTATTER: IT ALTERNATES SIDES JUST AS THE DS ALERNATES Gail: k Hope G: k AKTATTER: DO ABOUT HALF OF THE RING AND LEAVE IT IN UNTIL THE WORK I SFINISHED maria alcant: ..... Cynthia: k AKTATTER: WHEN DONE, PLACE CUT TAIL IN THE LOOP OF THE THREAD AND PULL IT INTO THE RING AKTATTER: TA DA! Wally: those flossers are like magical lil helpers in so many ways! Winkerbill: floss threaders seem to work best using size 30 (or smaller) thread. I have trouble pulling them through with anything bigger than size 30. Sandy: k AKTATTER: IT IS LESS FLOPPY THAN USING THREAD AKTATTER: FEELS NIVER TO THE HAND THAN WIRE Winkerbill: there's a way "around" that, though....the thread size problem, I mean Mimi: I keep several dfts in my tatting bag Wally: use several at the same time AKTATTER: AND COMES IN PRETTIER COLORS THAN FISHING LINE maria alcant: winker...it happens to me too Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: YOU CAN COMPARE THIS TO THE TRADITIONAL MAGIC THREAD TRICK AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/rodgers/carnation.html Gail: k AKTATTER: and http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/fall2001/drakemt.html Winkerbill: does anyone else have trouble with their magic threads not (consistently) pulling through when they use thread for the magic thread trick? AKTATTER: questions? AKTATTER: not if i use threads that are fatter than the thread being tatted up Winkerbill: Tha'ts what made me switch to floss threaders. WHen I use thread, it seems to become a magic tangling trick about half the time. Wally: i prefer to hide my ends in Lily's way AKTATTER: LOL BTDT AKTATTER: THAT IS A GOOD WAY ALSO GOT THE LINK HANDY? Sandy: Do the floss threaders work the same as what Debbie Arnold sells in different weights? erin in tenn.: I'm a sewer-inner, too. stitchingsharon: it was suggested to me to use a "spacer thread" along with the floss threader - then pull out the spacer and it leaves a bit more room in the tunnel Sherong: Don't put it through the first 1/2 stitch. AKTATTER: YES SANDY Mimi: Lily's way bails me out when I forget to leave the MT Winkerbill: that's what I do if i use a threader with anything "fatter" than size 30. Works great! Paule: No problem with me but then... I always try it first ... to see if it wiil .go through....'. AKTATTER: SANDRA ALSO REFERS US TO MARILEE ROCKLEY'S PAGE FOR ANOTHER USE OF THE FLOSS THREADER Sandy: Thanks! AKTATTER: THAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION OF ALL PUALE, TEST THE PATERN AND THE TECHNIQUES OUT FIRST AKTATTER: http://yarnplayertats.blogspot.com/2008/05/using-floss-threader-to-add-beads-to.html Hope G: k erin in tenn.: Mimi, can we shame you into adopting a quilt block for the Palmetto Tat Days quilt? The block is assembled, just needs crazy embellishment. Wally: can't find the original link (404 error) but here is the spanish version. the diagram is the same http://frivolite.org/cabos.aspx Sandy: I want to try it! I've had no trouble using thread but always kind of Margaret from x.x.x.122 joined the chat 38 minutes ago AKTATTER: THANKS WALLY Sandy: "match" the thread size and sometimes use Thread Heaven AKTATTER: WELCOME MARGARET Winkerbill: I keep little packages of floss threaders in my tatting stuff.... Winkerbill: hi Margaret maria alcant: gracias Wally! Gail: k Barb: k Margaret: hi, everyone, especially Georgia and Mimi ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Dec 1 02:52:12 2009 GMT (180 KB) Page 4 of 4 - Char 153635 to 184774 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER: OK MARILEE SHOWS US HOW TO USE THE FLOSS THREADER WITH BEADS Beadweaver: k Cynthia: Margaret , Hi AKTATTER: THE STEM IS FIRM ENOUGH TO PICK UP THE BEADS Margaret: hi, Cynthia, after on Yahoo? AKTATTER: AND THE LOOP IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO HOLD THE TATTING THREAD TAUTLY Cynthia: sure AKTATTER: WHILE THE BEADS SLIDE DOWN ON TO IT Wally: yep, they save a lot of time while beading AKTATTER: AND IFYOU USE A HELPING LOOP AKTATTER: YOU CAN USE IT TO BEAD PICOTS INDIVIDUALLY ALSO Cynthia: sneaky maria alcant: i prefer to ude them for this!!! AKTATTER: A VERY HANDY TOOL ALL IN ALL AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS? Wally: i cut the stem of one and use it to bead picots Liz_: k Margaret: k Beadweaver: k erin in tenn.: Okay, Georgiabelle - Hope, Katie, Cynthia and I will each take a block which leaves one to be adopted. AKTATTER: IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TH PAGE ON THE LEFT THERE IS A PHOTO Katie Verna/occhitat: k AKTATTER: CARNINAL EARRINGS Sandy: k Winkerbill: another sneaky way to get around the "I don't have a crochet hook with me" problem....a helping loop and floss threader tothe rescue erin in tenn.: I need to go eat now. Winkerbill: oh, those are cute!@ AKTATTER: OH THAT IS JUST SUPER! THANKS TO AL LOF YOU erin in tenn.: ;-) NIght all! Barb: When the airlines wouldn't let you take needles on them after 911 a lot of beaders used them to bead with. AKTATTER: NIGHERS ERIN YOU BLACKMAILER YOU LOL stitchingsharon: k Paule: Carninal earing? Winkerbill: carnival, Paule Barb: Thank you so much Georgia. I learned even more tonight. :) Winkerbill: just a typo ;-) AKTATTER: THAT ISA SUPER PATTERN TEH CARNIVAL EARRING, NOW PAULE YOU KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T MAKE FUN OF MY TYPOES AKTATTER: GREAT BARB ANY TIME Paule: TY Winker AKTATTER: EVERYONG GOT THE PATTERN? Barb: :) AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK AT THE THIRD PHOTO Wally: love that pattern. have done it several times Margaret: Georgia, who is signing up people for crazy quilt squares? Paule: I am slow tonight... Cynthia: I thought we were going M or R from PG....in the ratings.... AKTATTER: THIS IS ALL MADE IWTH ONE SHUTTLE maria alcant: wait a little pleas... AKTATTER: ME MARGARET AKTATTER: OK MARIA Barb: ROFL.. I'm glad I'm not the only that read it that way Cynthia heheheeh. ROFL AKTATTER: LOL Margaret: I have a lady who comes to my stitch along class who is very proficient in crazy quilting. Do these have to be delivered IN PERSON? AKTATTER: OK THE EARRING IS MADE IWTH ONE SHUTTLE AKTATTER: NO MARGARET BY MAIL IS FINE DEADLINE JUNE 1 2010 AKTATTER: THE SEED BEADS ARE ONTHE SHUTTLE THREAD BUT NOT HTE BIG BEAD AKTATTER: SEE HOW THE THEAD HAS BEEN DRAWN THRU THE BEAD AND THE JOIN MADE? Barb: Do they have to be embellished with tatting or can it be any embellishment? AKTATTER: NOW RETURN TO THE FRONT TO THE SECOND PHOTO AKTATTER: TATTING IS A MUST BUT ANYTHING ELSE IS WELCOME TOO AKTATTER: NOTE HOW THE THREAD SHOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BIG BEAD? Barb: k AKTATTER: WE USED TO THINK THAT THIS WAS A NO NO Paule: I am lost and very sorry of it... Cynthia: kind of framing it and making it the star AKTATTER: BUT IN THIS IT SEEMS TO BE MADE PART OF THE PATTERN Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: OK PAULE DID YOU SEE THE CARNIVAL EARRING PATTERN? Margaret: I'll take the last one, Georgia Paule: NO AKTATTER: EXAMINE THE BIG BEAD AKTATTER: AHH AKTATTER: GO HERE PAULE http://yarnplayertats.blogspot.com/2008/05/using-floss-threader-to-add-beads-to.html AKTATTER: ON THE RIGHT SIDE ABOUT HALF WAY DOWN IS THE CARNIVAL EARRING stitchingsharon: k AKTATTER: THANKS MARGARET Liz_: k Wally: http://yarnplayertats.blogspot.com/2007/09/carnival-earrings.html direct link AKTATTER: WE ARE DISCUSSING THE VISIBLE THREAD SHOWING AFTER THE BIG BEAD IS JOINED TO THE WORK AKTATTER: THANKS WALLY Paule: TY everyone I am here at last! Paule: Saw the earings AKTATTER: JUST TO SHOW THAT THE TIMES THEY ARE ACHANGING AKTATTER: LAST NOTE ON MARILEE PAGE, DOWN PAST THE EARRINGS O NTHE MAIN PAGE IS A CROSS WITH A ROSE CENTER, IT IS LOVELY AKTATTER: OK PAULE SEE THE THREAD THAT SHOWS NEXT TOTHE BIG BEAD? Paule: I am printing it AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TONIGHT? Barb: k AKTATTER: OK ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS? Paule: yes i see the thread Margaret: on that site of Marilee's, are all those patterns on the pictures, free? AKTATTER: WE HAVE TWO LESSONS LEFT FOR 2009, DEC. 7 AND 14 AKTATTER: HOW ABOUT THE BEGINNERS CLASS CYNTHIA? Margaret: Georgia, on needle, how does one do a lock stitch? Cynthia: I think so Margaret Margaret: that is an unflipped stitch, right? AKTATTER: YES MARGARET THEY ARE ALL FREE AND YOU MAY GIVE OR SELLTHEM ALSO THANKS TO MARILEE'S GENEROSITY Margaret: I have some news to share AKTATTER: AH MARGARET WHERE WOULD THIS LOCK STITCH APPEAR? Liz_: k Gail: k Winkerbill: k Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: GO AHEAD MARGARET? Margaret: be right back -- have to put Marilee's page in favourties maria alcant: k AKTATTER: THE BREAK WILL END ON JAN. 11, 2010 Cynthia: I think she is wondering how to make a lock stitch with a needle...good question...I don't know the sanser Margaret: yesterday was the monhtly meeting for the London Lacers group Margaret: oh, I was starting to share Margaret: usually, I see a lock stitch after a split ring, isn't it? Sandy: I ordered some of Marilee's threads and they are incredibly beautiful! Great service! AKTATTER: HER THREADS ARE TO DIE FOR Margaret: or is it a mock picot? don't know how to make that either, on needle AKTATTER: OK THIS LOCK STITCH OCCURS AFTER THE SPLIT RING IS CLOSED AND BEFORE THE NEXT CHAIN/RING BEGINS? Margaret: right Winkerbill: k Cynthia: k Gail: k AKTATTER: A MOCK PICOT IS JUST A SPACE OF THREAD LEFT BEFORE YOU START THE FIRST DS OF THE NEXT ELEMENT, JUST LET THE WORK DANGLE DOWN FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE NEEDLE WHERE YOU ARE HOLDING IT A LITTLE FURTHER THAN NORMAL Liz_: k Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: WHTA COMES AFTER THE LOCK STITCH MARGARET? Wally: . Margaret: so that is straight forward. AKTATTER: :) Margaret: I don't have a pattern. Just know that sometimes lock stitches are called for and I don't know what to do on a needle Sherong: For the needle you would have to form the stitch, pull it off the needle and flip the second half, repeat to desired length. Margaret: actually on Marilee's page, a pattern called for a lock stitch. Should we go there? Sherong: Work one stitch at a time. maria alcant: .. AKTATTER: IF THE LOCK STITCH HAS THE PURPOSE OF SECURING THE SPLIT RING FROM REOPENING, THEN YOU JUST MAKE THE OVER HAND TIE LIKE TYING THE SHOES LACES stitchingsharon: k Margaret: so you put in a knot? AKTATTER: IF IT IS PART OF A PATTERN LIKE FOR THE CHAIN Sherong: She's talking about the lock stitch chain Sherong: I think AKTATTER: AH LIKE SHERON SAID IT IS MADE OFF THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: SURE MARGARET GIVE US THE LINK TO THE PATTERN AND WE CAN ALL LOOK AT IT Winkerbill: oh....it sounds like a lock stitch chain would be a real pain to do with the needle. Margaret: I just meant when one lock stitch is called for to secure the immediately previous element Sherong: Yes Steph that's true Sandy: Must run get dinner on. Thanks for another great class! Can't wait to try the swirl join! Gail: thats what I was thnking, Wink Wally: . Winkerbill: FINALLY, something that's easier to do with the shuttle! Yay! Liz_: k Cynthia: http://yarnplayertats.blogspot.com/2008/12/quickie-snowflake-earrings.html maria alcant: wally......como vas? Sherong: Needle to secure end of element just do SLT Cynthia: it has a lock stitch chain.... Margaret: Georgia, it is in the carnival earring pattern that you were teaching earlier Cynthia: oops wrong one.... Beadweaver: k Wally: no he estado muy bien estas ultimas semanas. La calor me tiene enferma, mas la depresion maria alcant: depre por que? Wally: es causado por el lupus maria alcant: vente a mexico...aqui hay 4 estaciones en un dia... Gail: k Winkerbill: Wally, did you say it's hot where you are? AKTATTER: THE SNOWFLAKE EARRING HAS THE LOCK STITHC? Margaret: Georgia, do you see the label for lock stitch in the carnival earring pattern? maria alcant: y te cuidamos..... Cynthia: between the ring at the top and the bead has a lock stitch chain...Is that the spot Margaret? Cynthia: I gave the wrong link Georgia sorry...my fault Wally: it's been really hot last 2 weeks and it causes my lupus go on a flare\ Margaret: I just noticed the lock stitch chain (never heard of that before) and then a plain lock stitch Winkerbill: Im sorry to hear that. I get grouchy when it's hot and humid, but it's cool here now. Sherong: You can change it to a spiral chain, easier with a needle Wally: no puedo viajar hasta finales de enero dependiendo de lo que me digan los medicos. pero me iria para alla con mucho gusto! Sherong: Or a ric rac chain Winkerbill: didn't realize hot weather made lupus worse. AKTATTER: OK MARGARET, SHERON IS RIGHT IT WOULD BE MORE SENSIBLE TO MAKE THE SPIRAL OR NODE STITCH THAT TO DO THE LOCK STITHC CHAIN IN THIS CASE Wally: The earrings look very pretty with spiral chains maria alcant: animo!!!! Cynthia: either would be pretty Winkerbill: spiral chains are fun to do with a needle. ;-) You can get (big, fat) smooth cotton thread for teh inside and (also big and fat) metallic sparkly stuff AKTATTER: BUT IT CAN BE DONE, PLACE ON DS ON TO THE NEEDLE AND SLIDE IT OFF Winkerbill: do spiral chains as long as you want them ans use them for "icicles" to decorate aroudn the house Wally: yep lupus is associated with hot weather, sometimes activates it AKTATTER: LOOSEN THE SECOND HALF STITHC maria alcant: good idea!!!!!! Beadweaver: when youi slide it off, you don't pull the other threrad all the way through? Margaret: I think I did a spiral chain in the mortarboard pattern by Mark Meyers in June, 2008 AKTATTER: USE THE CARRYING CORD TO PULL ON THE LOOSENED HALF STITCH UNTIL IT UNFLIPS Winkerbill: or use small thread and make little "icicle" earrings Cynthia: yes it is Margaret...I know I did one there too Winkerbill: I hope the weather cools off over there, Wally....and the lupus goes back to "sleep" for a while. AKTATTER: THEN CAREFULLY TIGHTEN THE HALF STITCH BACK INTO PLACING HOLDING IT SECURELY AND MAKE THE NEXT DS Margaret: ok. basic question. In needle tatting do we flip stitches? AKTATTER: AND REPEAT PROCESS FOR LENGTHO F CHAIN, A REAL PAIN TO DO Paule: Winker please Spiral chain?... Winkerbill: oh, when you slide it off, to make icicles, don't pull the thread too tight or your icicles will curve. :-) AKTATTER: ONLYIF YOU ARE TRYING TO UNDO A FLIPPED STITCH AFTER IT IS OFF THE NEEDLE WOULD YOU USE THE TERM, UNFLIP Winkerbill: josephine chain....just half of a stitch, either the first half of the 2nd half, whichever you like best Margaret: is everyone ready for my news at London Lacers meeting? AKTATTER: GOOD POINT STEPH Winkerbill: it makes a spiral.... Barb: k AKTATTER: PLEASE GO AHEAD MARGARET Beadweaver: ? Winkerbill: Sorry Georgia....too much cafeine;....can't sit still tonight. Sherong: Needle tatting form stitches, like making second half of a split chain Margaret: Steph, I didn't use a Joesphine chain, I did something different where I rolled a thread over or something Sherong: For icicles can use balanced double stitch Margaret: every fifth stitch Liz_: k Gail: yes, Margaret stitchingsharon: k Paule: Sherong! BDS? Beadweaver: I'll figure it out Sherong: Ruth Perry introduced it. Georgia has a lesson on it Winkerbill: that would work, too....I never thought to try them with BDS. ;-) Jane had some sort of fancy josephine thing on her web site, too....never tried that as an icicle, either....bet it would work, though. Margaret: at the meeting which is for bobbin lacers and tatters, the hostess does both and then only one bobbin lacer and five of us tatters Beadweaver: later maria alcant: ladies...i am learning alot of great ideas...keep talking please!!! Paule: In 5 seconds my haed wikk explode! stitchingsharon: Hang in there beadweaver -- it might not click tonight -- but give yourself time Margaret: Pam, the hostess had a magazine where an editor wrote an article on the balanced double stitch. First name started S. last name hypenated ending in Madden AKTATTER: LOOK HERE PAULE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE FOR DOUBLE DOUBLE STITCH http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/ Margaret: the lady who drove me, (bus strike on) had never been before. I taught her to needle tat Sherong: Bina Saben Madden AKTATTER: SABINA CARDEN-MADDEN AKTATTER: WAS THAT THE IOLI JOURNAL MARGARET? Cynthia: I knew you are a teacher at heart Margaret Margaret: another lady has signed up for the email notices. She didn't go only as she pulled a calf muscle this week at work. Icing and working only. No other activity Mimi: Was it an IOLI Bulletin? AKTATTER: THAT IS GREAT NEWS MARGARET, EACH ONE TEACH ON AND TATTERS WILL UNITE THE WORLD Cynthia: in ds AKTATTER: OK LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS? Margaret: she will be a needle tatter too Mimi: Good job Margaret AKTATTER: MANT THANKS TO ALL THE WONDERFUL TATTERS WHO HAVE SHARE THEIR WORK ONLINE WITH US! Cynthia: Margaret was it an IOLI bulletin? Wally: i gave a lil demo yesterday and a lady was very interested Katie Verna/occhitat: Here, here! Margaret: at the smocking guild, Rita Cochrane, guested in April. One lady has already tatted a lace edging for her gowns in size 80 thread Wally: tatting definitively is growing everywhere Cynthia: Awesome all of the teachers here... AKTATTER: WHERE WERE YOU DEMOING WALLY, WHAT COUNTRY? Margaret: I have only done Altin Basak #50 Winkerbill: one of the people I'm teaching went to Canada last week....she'll be helping her mother while her Mom recovers from surgery. She (my "student") brought her tatting, lots of thread, an several shuttles! AKTATTER: SMOCKING AND TATTING MUST BE A NATURAL PAIR Cynthia: of course they are... Wally: I'm still here in PR. the lil demo was at my BIL's church Liz_: k Margaret: I don't know what magazine it was. Sabina had written the article in a lace-digest type magazine Winkerbill: i like tatting with Altin basak....like the way it feels in my hands. AKTATTER: THE MORE DEMOS THE MORE PUIBLIC INTEREST! Cynthia: definately.... stitchingsharon: k Margaret: where in Canada, Steph? It is larger than USA AKTATTER: YEP THAT IS THE INTERNATIONAL OLD LACERS, INC BULLETIN, JOURNAL COMES OUT 4X YEAR DUES ABOUT 19$ US AND WELL WORTH THE MONEY Wally: I'm tatting with altin basak but #10, I got it on Egypt maria alcant: ... Margaret: when the smocking ladies learned that I could tat, they went beserk AKTATTER: OK THEN TAT'S ALL FOR TONIGHT! Winkerbill: i can't remember where....Toronto, maybe? Not sure. No, wait....Ottawa? It was a big city. AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE! Liz_: enjoyd it Mimi: Many thanks to you Georiga Cynthia: Thank you Georgia Gail: Thanks, Georgia. I'll be re-reading this log again and .... stitchingsharon: good for you Margaret - spread that tatting bug around Margaret: seems they like tatting lace for edging their baby gowns for the NICU. (service project) and could no longer find look-alike-tat lace AKTATTER: REMEBER BEGINNERS CLASS ON THURSDAYS AND SPANISH CLASS ON SUNDAY?? Winkerbill: Thanks Georgia! It was fun! Katie Verna/occhitat: Thank you, Georgia! Great class. Barb: :) maria alcant: good night all...i learn alot....thenk you all! AKTATTER: I WILL POST THE LOG RIGHT AWAY Wally: thanks for the class Paule: NOw now now I smock too is there a class? AKTATTER: GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY TATTING ALL! AKTATTER from x.x.x.227 left the chat 107 seconds ago Mimi: I'll go back and read what I missed stitchingsharon: Thanks Georgia and everyone else for another great class. Mimi: DH called in the middle! Winkerbill: guess I'd better go, too. good night everyone. Margaret: Mimi, where do I go to find the log? maria alcant: wally habra clase el domingo??? Margaret: good to see you here, Mimi Winkerbill from x.x.x.186 left the chat 70 seconds ago Sherong: It will be posted to index page in a few minutes Katie Verna/occhitat: See you all again soon. Cynthia: Peace...Georgia posts it on the site by the lesson material Mimi: For these lessons http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/2009index.html Cynthia: I'll get the link Margaret.... Gail: Night all Mimi: it's usually at the bottom of hte links to the lesson pages Sherong: See you all next week. Cynthia: Mimi is faster than I am....lol Sherong from x.x.x.151 left the chat 21 seconds ago Cynthia: Peace and bye Mimi: The one for this lesson appears to be below the homework photos, so you may have to scroll down ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com