The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Nov 3 02:50:58 2009 GMT (178 KB) Page 1 of 4 - Char 1 to 51307 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER from x.x.x.238 cleared the room 7 hours ago cat2tat: Hi Steph! AKTATTER: all clear againh Winkerbill: did we have a blizzard? Winkerbill: ;-) AnneB: LOL AKTATTER: Nov. 2 2009, needle tatting session susan cuss from x.x.x.232 joined the chat 7 hours ago susan cuss: hi AnneB: Hi Susan! Rosemarie: Hi Susan AKTATTER: welcome one and all Winkerbill: hi Susan. AKTATTER: THIS SESSION IS DEVOTED TO NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS susan cuss: hi Anne, Rosemarie AKTATTER: BUT ALL QUESTIONS ARE WELCOME Barb: brb AKTATTER: IS THERE A NEEDLE TATTING QUESTION TO START OFF? Winkerbill: brb, tea is ready/ AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY BEGINNING NEEDLE TATTERS HERE susan cuss: I have a question regarding the tatted ornament AKTATTER: I'M STILL EATING HALLOWEEN CNDY AKTATTER: MY SIS GOT ME A BAG OF BLACKBERRY FLAVORED CANDY CORN IN PURPLE! AKTATTER: GO AHEAD SUSAN picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 7 hours ago Winkerbill: wow! That sounds like fun. Purple candy corn....blackberry! Winkerbill: hi Melanie AnneB: Hi Melanie susan cuss: on the instructions, the second step ends with SS. What does that mean? picotsnkeys: Hi all AKTATTER: NEVER SAW UIT BEFORE BUT SHE KNOWS i CAN'T HAVE THE CHOCOLATE SO WAS LOOKING OUT FOR ME :) Winkerbill: And I was thinking how lucky we are to live way out in the sticks where nobody ever comes to trick-or-treat....no candy here.... AKTATTER: SS = SWITCH SHUTTLES Rosemarie: Hi Melanie AnneB: Eat some for me too LOL Barb: bk cat2tat: we had over 150 no candy left here - had to close the door and turn out the lights! susan cuss: I wondered....also the other page was not available AKTATTER: THAT MEANS YOU WILL NEED TO USE TWO SHUTTLES susan cuss: I needle tat AKTATTER: YES i HAD TO RENAME IT AS IT GAVE SO MANY OF US DIFFICULTIES OPENING IT Barb: I needle tat too. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework1FHarris.pdf Winkerbill: only time I ever had trick-or-treaters here, I called next door and told them I'dmade cookies, send the kids over.... picotsnkeys: will the shoe lace trick work there for needle tatting? Winkerbill: those kids are old ladies now.... AKTATTER: YES IT WILL Winkerbill: well...obviously I"m a lot older....but they're grown up and gone away. AKTATTER: UNLESS AKTATTER: THE NEXT ELEMENT IS SOMETHING LIKE A FLOATING RING IN WHICH CASE A SECOND NEEDLE IS NEEDED picotsnkeys: unless you're using two colors? AKTATTER: RIGHT ALSO picotsnkeys: brb ran out of chocolate.... AKTATTER: ANY NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS? Barb: Yes, well sort of a question. AKTATTER: DOES ANYONE FEEL READY FOR THE GRADUATION TEST FROM BEGINNING NEEDLE TATTING? Barb: I worked on the Daisy Picot this week. AKTATTER: SUER BARB GO AHEAD AKTATTER: OH THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR HOW DID IT GO? Winkerbill: wow, with a needle? I"m IMPRESSED! Barb: The Needle Daisy Picot and I finally got it. AKTATTER: WOW!! THAT IS SUPER NEWS GOT PHOTOS OF ANY FINSIHED WORK WE CAN POST YET? Winkerbill: I am still too freaked out over doign daisy picots iwth a needle to even TRY it yet Winkerbill: ;-) Barb: At first I couldn't figure out how it worked and then finally after a cople attempts it 'clicked' and I 'got it'. AKTATTER: THAT IS A GREAT FEELING Barb: I's kind of like when a person knits a cable stitch and some of the stitches are held back until you need them. AKTATTER: GOOD ANALOGY susan cuss: I practiced and did one ring...it's fun but time consuming Barb: In this case, the 'regular' stitches are held back on the needle while the Daisy picot has the thread passed through it. And then in the end the held back Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 7 hours ago AnneB: Hi Cynthia! picotsnkeys: Hi Cynthia Barb: stitches are added onto the 2nd thread. Rosemarie: Hi Cynthia Barb: So, I think I'm saynig that right. Winkerbill: hi Cynthia AKTATTER: EXACTGLY RIGHT picotsnkeys: I think you are Barb! Barb: I was wondering, when you'd use the Daisy Picot application because it is kind of ruffely. Cynthia: Hi everyone.... Barb: Hi Cynthia AKTATTER: PERFECT FOR FLOWERS BABR susan cuss: hi Cynthia picotsnkeys: Have my mug now, (I'm being disciplined) I would like to "graduate" with my needle tatting... AKTATTER: GREAT FOR FILLING EMPTY SPACE AKTATTER: AND YOU CAN ADD THEM TO ANY RING IN ANY PATTERN ALMOST AKTATTER: OK MELANIE PLEASE TYPE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS FOR ME Barb: I also tried adding more than one DS for the picot and that was kind of fun but kind of hmm.. 'messy' looking. picotsnkeys: picotsnkeys @ Yahoo.com Barb: Oops.. I forgot to sign in. Barb Grainger Canby, Oregon, sonsery@aol.com susan cuss: susancuss@yahoo.com cat2tat: me too - Cathy Pickett, Rich Creek, VA, USA Winkerbill: does the needle tatted daisy picot end up looking just the same as the shuttle tatted one? Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo.com Rosemarie: Rosemarie Weber, Baltimore, Maryland, USA, rweb53@verizon.net AKTATTER: IT;'S ON THE WAY MELANIE. sEND PHOTOS WHEN YOU'RE DONE Barb: Yes, I would like to 'graduate' too Georgia. :) AKTATTER: IS SUPPOSED TO STEPH Winkerbill: Stephanie W in western North Carolina, USA AKTATTER: OK BARB Winkerbill: hehehe...I'll have to work on it, then. ;-) I got addicted to Jon's snowflake last week.... AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsø, Norway, solurab @ online.no Winkerbill: can't seem to quit. Cynthia: but I'm so much better at shuttle the difference shows...lol but the are getting closer every time I do both techniques on an item cat2tat: I can never get my needle tatting anywhere near as tight as on shuttle Winkerbill: you can definitely tell the things I've tatted with a needle. It looks really bad compared to my shuttle tatted piedes. Winkerbill: pieces AKTATTER: FOR ME IT IS A MATTER OF WHAT KIND OF THREAD i AM USING AND HOW MUCH BEADWORK THERE IS AS TO WHETHER I USE SHUTTLE OR NEEDLE Winkerbill: beads = needle? AKTATTER: THE TENSION IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM WITH NEEDLE TATTING AKTATTER: REMEMBER THAT NEEDLE TATTING HAS AN INFLEXIBLE CORE, THE NEEDLE susan cuss: I guess I'm a tight tatter.... AKTATTER: SO NO MATTER HOW TIGHT YOU WRAP THE THREAD FOR THE DS, IT ALWAYS STOP AT THE NEEDLE AnneB: But you can choose a thinner needle AKTATTER: WHEREAS IN SHUTTLE TATTING THE CORE IS THREAD, FELXIBLE AND COMPRESSIBLE AND THAT MEANS YOU CAN TIGHTEN IT MORE picotsnkeys: I've had success managing tension by using the smallest diameter needle I could picotsnkeys: our minds think alike Anne! AKTATTER: YES AND CHOOSING THE NEEDLE THAT IS CLOSEST IN DIAMETER TO THE SIZE OF THE THREAD YOU ARE USING IS CRUCIAL AKTATTER: MORE BEADS MORE OFTEN THE NEEDLE Winkerbill: also if you want to carry your tatting along but have no pockets and you need your hands free for something else at the moment....you might not want to drop a tatting needle down your....um...cleavage.... Rosemarie: The thinnest size needle that I have is a size #8. Is there a needle smaller than this? cat2tat: which threads do you prefer for needle? AnneB: LOL AKTATTER: AND MY #9 NEEDLE IS BENT LIKE A CRESCENT MOON FROM THE DEATH GRIP I HAVE ON IT Winkerbill: although those clover shuttles can hurt when THEY stick you, too. AKTATTER: THERE IS A #9 I BELIEVE AKTATTER: THAT IS SOP TRUE STEPH I HAVE OFTEN STABBED THE WEBBING BETWEEN MY FINGER S WITH THE PIONT OF A COVER SHUTTLE AKTATTER: WHICHH IS PROBABLY WHY I LIKE WOODEN SHUTTLES SO MUCH Winkerbill: i discovered that sometimes threads that don't work well with a shuttle DO work ok with the needle AKTATTER: OK FOR THE NEEDLE TATTING STUDENTS AKTATTER: THIS IS A TEST Winkerbill: hmmmm...yeah, except you can stab your finger with the tiny crochet hooks, too... Winkerbill: ;-) AKTATTER: YOU ARE TATTING 3 SPLIT RINGS IN A ROW AKTATTER: YTOU WANT MAKE A 90 DEGREE TURN IN DIRECTION susan cuss: k AKTATTER: HOW DO YOU DO THIS ON THE NEEDLE? Cynthia: k susan cuss: a split ring that's not even? AKTATTER: OUCH BEEN THERE DONE THAT STEPH, LOOKED AT IT STICKING FOR SO LONG WONDERING IF i SHOULD PULL IT OUT FAST OR SLOW WHICH WOULD HURT LEAST ! Barb: that's what I was thinking too Susan AKTATTER: THAT IS RIGHT SUSAN AKTATTER: RIGHT BARB susan cuss: with more ds on one side than the other? picotsnkeys: change how many stitches you wrap before drawing the core thread through, unthreading the needle, and wrapping with the core thread? AKTATTER: IF THE SPLIT RINGS ARE 6/6 WHAT WOULD BE THE DS COUNT ON THE TURNING RING? AnneB: Same way as with a shuttle 1/4 for one part 3/4 on the second AKTATTER: RIGHT ANNE, MEL Barb: 3/9 stitchingsharon from x.x.x.33 joined the chat 6 hours ago Winkerbill: one would be 9, the other side would be 3, depending on which direction you want to turn. picotsnkeys: only 1 picot on the split rings? Raelara from x.x.x.237 joined the chat 6 hours ago susan cuss: (/3 AnneB: 3/9 of 9/3 depending on which way you want to turn stitchingsharon: Hello everyone susan cuss: right picotsnkeys: that would come out a bit wonky for me. AKTATTER: RIGHT BARB AKTATTER: EXACTLY RIGHT Winkerbill: hi Sharon AnneB: Hi Sharon! picotsnkeys: Hi Sharon and Jeni AKTATTER: WELCOME SHARON ANY NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS? Rosemarie: Hi Sharon Raelara: hi all AKTATTER: OK NEXT TEST QUESTION Cynthia: kind of sharp angle isn't it? AnneB: Hi Raelara stitchingsharon: Don't needle tat, I thought advanced class started at 3 Barb: I love the split rings and I have been playing with them. Made a really cute wiggly thing by changing the number of ds before or after the / Raelara: we still have a few minutes Winkerbill: nice corner for something, though....hanky, picture frame.... AnneB: It does Sharon AKTATTER: IMAGINE THREE LINES/ROW OF SPLIT RINGS ONE ABOVE EACH OTHER I I I AKTATTER: AND YOU WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER RWO OF SPLIT RINGS ACREOSS ALL THREE LINES JOINING TO EACH LINE AKTATTER: AT A POINT BETWEEN TWO SPLIT RINGS AKTATTER: YOU BEGIN WITH ONE SPLIT RINGS AKTATTER: THEN YOU HAVE TO CROSS THE FIRST LINE OF OPPOSITE DIRECTION SPLIT RINGS AKTATTER: WHAT TYPE OF JOIN DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE? Winkerbill: hmmm...alligator? AKTATTER: YES IT DOES SHARON AKTATTER: WE BEGIN WITH 10 OPEN OF OPEN CHAT ALSO Raelara: hmmm. AKTATTER: NO FAIR STEPH YOPU'VE BEEN TO TO MANY CLASSES! AKTATTER: 10 MINUTES Raelara: Alligator??????? AKTATTER: OK THE ALLIGATOR JOIN IS THE EASIEST METHOD AKTATTER: AND TI WORKS FOR BOTH SHUTTLE AND NEEDLE stitchingsharon: k Barb: I'm not sure I understand where you are going? meowy from x.x.x.67 joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: and is sneaky.... picotsnkeys: Hi Stacey AKTATTER: http:// Winkerbill: bet you could cram the needle through between the split rings, too....just have a single thread going through between those rings. Jenny from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 6 hours ago meowy: hi :) AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/alligatorjoin.htm Claudia from x.x.x.235 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: still got it wrong Claudia: hi girls!! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/alligatorjoin.html now it's right AKTATTER: welcome claudia Claudia: i dont know you have changed the time! Jenny: hi everyone susan cuss: fake picot? Gretta from x.x.x.216 joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: relax Claudia just getting started...still in chat.... Gretta: Hi everyone Claudia: ok... great! AnneB: Oh - I think I used it in my first dragon - didn't know it had a name! Winkerbill: I got all excited last night - looking through my Burda book (in English) I saw the picture of the "capture" join that you had put online ...I guess it was way back in 2007.... Cynthia: (the time is the same just no longer on Daylight Savings time...) toffeeapple from x.x.x.218 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: OPENCHAT 9 MORE MINUTES Winkerbill: that was my very first time in the online tatting class.... Barb: K Claudia: thanks cynthia AKTATTER: YES THAT ORIGINAL BOOK IN GERMAN FROM 1980 WAS THE FIRST TIME I SAW THE JOIN HIGHLIGHTED ALTHOUGH IT HAD BEEN USED EARLY IN THE 20TH PATTERN MJB from x.x.x.251 joined the chat 6 hours ago Barb: I read about this Alligator join but have not seen one. AKTATTER: CENTURY ESP IN GERMAN PATTERNS stitchingsharon: Question. How do you measure out thread to do a CTM piece with beads? AKTATTER: SUSAN DID YOU SEE THE PHOTO OF THE ALIGATOR JOIN Cynthia: Barb and everyone else it is easier than it sounds...look at the directions... AKTATTER: SHARON THE FIRST THING I DO IS TO TAT ONE REPEAT susan cuss: yes, was just checking it AKTATTER: MEASURE OUT 2 YDS OF THREAD, THEN AFTER DONE MEASURE AGAIN TO SE WHAT WAS USED Barb: the 'photo' link in the first paragraph isn't working for me. But I can see the rest of the page. AKTATTER: SEE HOW MANY BEADS NEEDED FOR ONE REPEAT AND THEN WIND THE BEADS IN INCREMENTS TO BE USED AS NEEDD FOR THE PATTERN MJB: Georgia., did you see Tatman pumpkin pattern., it just came on., Claudia: I see his pumpkin.. its wonderful Winkerbill: brb....got to get more tea... Raelara: That pumpkin is cool picotsnkeys: brb me too MJB: I thought so too. Raelara: too bad I am buried in knitting projects right now susan cuss: where's the pumpkin? Raelara: then I have to tat my nativity scene for my mom Barb: Ahh. Just read your instructions. It sounds pretty easy. That's cool! AnneB: Any link for the pumpkin` stitchingsharon: Ok, I understand that part, but already knowing quantities.... I've been doing Pamela's Tumbling snowflake... I know I need 4 yards per shuttle, so how do you measure out without a tangled mess. I've tried wrapping around a ruler, any other suggestions Claudia: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatpatterns/pumpkin.pdf AKTATTER: I REFRESHED THE PHOTO FOR THE BURDA CAPTURED RING BARB TRY NOW AKTATTER: NO MARY JANE PLEASE LINK ME Claudia: thats the link Claudia: mark´s pumpking susan cuss: great pumpkin, thank you Barb: Yes! Thank you Georgia. I can see it. picotsnkeys: it's too cute.....could be an apple, or part of a Thanksgiving centerpiece? Rosemarie: k AnneB: It's cool! Winkerbill: oh, that's a cute pumpkin! picotsnkeys: lots of techniques I haven't spent time on yet! AKTATTER: I WRAP THE FIRST SHUTTLE THEN I MEASURE OUT THE FOUR YADS FROM THE BALL AND CUT AND WRAP SHUTTLE 2 MJB: Claudia has the www., for you Raelara: k AKTATTER: OH THAT IS GREAT! Winkerbill: it would be fun to stiffen a bunch of those little pumpkins and fasten them to a wreath made out of vines.... Winkerbill: stick a few fall leaves (tatted?) around in between the pumpkins.... picotsnkeys: great idea Steph! Angela from x.x.x.221 joined the chat 6 hours ago Claudia: great idea winkerbill! susan cuss: great idea cat2tat: that would be cute Angela: Hello from cold Alaska Raelara: Sharon, I usually measure it out and just let it fall, Generally it will stay untangled if you don't try and move the pile of thread. AKTATTER: OK LET'S GET STARTED PLEASE AKTATTER: welcome angela AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN AnneB: You'd have to show us photos next year Steph! Beadweaver from x.x.x.74 joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: Hi Angela good to see you again... stitchingsharon: That's what I've been doing. Just wondering if someone else had another method. Denise from x.x.x.115 joined the chat 6 hours ago MJB: I haven;t done the half ring braid yet AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA Raelara: Jenni Sherriff raelara@gmail.com San Lorenzo, CA Angela: Angela Miracle,, aanjel51@yahoo.com, Anderson AK cat2tat: Cathy Pickett, Rich Creek, VA, USA Rosemarie: k Winkerbill: if I have a lot of thread to measure out, I drape it around the room, then walk around as I wind the shuttle.... AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsø, Norway, solurab @ online Gretta: Gretta Wilhite, Crane Hill Alabama meowy: stacey usa staceywrites at gmail.com Winkerbill: Stephanie W in western North Carolina, USA Denise: Denise Jonon barkingquil at gmail. dot com Austin, Texas USA picotsnkeys: Melanie Cervi picotsnkeys @ Yahoo dot com Los Gatos, CA MJB: Mary Jane Brittingham., Santa Claus., Indiana USA Beadweaver: I missed the beginners class, will there be another at 8pm? Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK brasthatfit@yahoo.com stitchingsharon: Sharon Fawns, shuttle tatter, Hillsboro KY USa stitchingsharon@hughes.net AKTATTER: SOEM TATTERS WIND THE FOUR YARDS OFF THE BALL AROUND A SHUTTLE BUT NOT ONTO THE SHUTTLE Jenny: Jenny Griffin Northampton UK AKTATTER: THEN WRAP SH2 AnneB: I missed a .no Claudia: claudia meza , cloelo@gmail.com, Argentina susan cuss: susan cuss, McArthurs Mills, Ontario, susancuss@yahoo.com stitchingsharon: and boy would my cats have a good time with that! Cynthia: Yes Beadweaver but please stay for this as well if you can... AKTATTER: THEN GO BACK AND HOLD THE THREAD LIKE WHEN WINDING YARN TO WIND THE SH1 Barb: Barb Grainger, Canby, Oregon, USA sonsery@aol.com Winkerbill: and if I have the plastic "core" from a "finished" ball of thread sometimes I'll wind it around THAT, then wind the shuttle from that mini-ball Beadweaver: Debbie W,pENNSYLVANIA, usa Rosemarie: Rosemarie Weber, Baltimore, Maryland, USA, rweb53@verizon.net Beadweaver: OK Cynthia: good idea Wink... Raelara: that is a good idea Winkerbill: or a pill bottle.... Raelara: too bad I don't have any plastic cores picotsnkeys: cardboard tubes work too AKTATTER: BEAD ASK ANY QUEBEADBEADBEADBEAD Winkerbill: and highlighters - those big fat ones are great - if they're CLEAN!!! cat2tat: empty toilet paper rolls will work too! Raelara: I use empty thread spools to create mini balls sometimes Raelara: if I need a ball thread but don't want to carry a whole ball around AKTATTER from x.x.x.238 joined the chat 6 hours ago Rosemarie: k Winkerbill: i use a bigger than usual shuttle when I need a ball thread but don't want to carry a whole ball around.... Winkerbill: I mean for the "ball" AKTATTER: AFTERNOON EGULAR CLASS SESSION NOV. 2, 2009 Winkerbill: then use the "normal" size shuttle to tat with. Raelara: like a knotting shuttle? Raelara: I actually have one of those. Don't use it often AKTATTER: Appearing in the Nov/Dec 2009 issue of PIECEWORK are two vintage patterns written up by Jane Moody. There are no photos. This will be an exercise is reading through a pattern, rewriting vintage directions in modern tatting notation and perhaps diagramming the pattern too. Raelara: Is that issue in stores yet? Winkerbill: no, like a sew=mate, one of the old Boye (red plastic) shuttles, or even occasionally one of those huge Tatsy shuttles.... cat2tat: I wind thread on the floss bobbins like you use for cross stitch thread Raelara: or is it just out for subscribers? stitchingsharon: Beads -- I'm having fun with them. Winkerbill: oh, that's a good idea, too.... AKTATTER: THE PATTERN BY FRANCIS HARRIS HAD TO BE RENAMED AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework1FHarris.pdf AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework_Adeline_Cordet.pdf meowy: i wnt to try that one meowy: the first one i mean hehe AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/design.html Raelara: I wish they had been transcribed in the older terminology. I find that SO much easier to read. Raelara: for some reason I can't stand shorthand patterns AKTATTER: PLEASE READ: AKTATTER: 1. Make a ring of 12 double stitches evenly divided by three picots. AKTATTER: 2. Make a ring of 3 double stitches, picot, 3 double stitches, picot, 3 double stitches, picot, 3 double stitches. AKTATTER: Make ring: 3 double stitches, picot (3x), 3 double stitches. AKTATTER: 4. Make ring 3 DS p 3 DS p 3 DS p 3 DS. AKTATTER: 5. R 3 - 3 - 3 - 3. AKTATTER: NOW THE 5 EXAMPLES ABOVE ARE ALL FOR THE SAME RING AKTATTER: WHICH ONE IS WRITTEN CORRECTLY? Raelara: they all are Cynthia: he he he susan cuss: all the same Denise: Number 3 makes no sense to me. I get all the others. cat2tat: all of them AKTATTER: HE HE HE IS RIGHT!!! Raelara: or: R: 3 ds, 3 p sep by 3 ds, 3ds, cl AKTATTER: THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING Claudia: 5 is the easiest for me Denise: shouldn't it have astericks or something? AnneB: lol Raelara: that is how the first pattern I ever read did it Winkerbill: i'm not fond of the ones that use the (.....) 3x instructions, but they make sense if you diagram them before you try to tat them. Cynthia: that is another way Denise... Angela: my first pattern was done like number 5 Jenny: some need more thinking about than others stitchingsharon: I like #5 AKTATTER: #3? MAKE A RING 3 DS FOLLOWED BY A PICOT (THIS STEP REPEATED 3 TIMES) ENDING WITH 3 DS AnneB: I prefer number 5 AKTATTER: EVERYONE WHO EVER WROTE A TATTING PATTERN DID IT DIFFERENTLY picotsnkeys: I like #5 so I can move the post-it if I have to stop mid ring meowy: i don't like when i have to sketch it in order to tat it hehe AKTATTER: IT IS OUR JOB TO READ THE PATTERNS AND MAKE SENSE OF THEM AKTATTER: NOW ONE THE DESIGN PAGE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/design.html Raelara: I have a hard time with #5 because then I have to count the picots Angela: I wish they would standarize tatting patterns MJB: some times I write the pattern down before I start tatting., helps me. AKTATTER: THE LIST OF ABBREVIATIONS Cynthia: We will eventually....the internet helps AKTATTER: WE ARE TRYING ANGELA I AM HELPING TO WORK ON THE IOLI PROFICIENCY JOURNAL NOW WHICH INCLUDES THE STANDARDTIZATION OF NOTATION picotsnkeys: I have used that list already! AKTATTER: R = Ring CH = Chain P, or p, or - = picot J, or = to join with a v below it = shuttle join RW = reverse work; meaning to turn the work over from top to bottom in the vertical plane TW = turn work; meaning to turn the work from right to left in the horizontal plane as if turning the page of a book DS = double stitch HS = half stitch 1HS = first half stitch 2HS = second half stitch AnneB: Which one is for the alligator join? AKTATTER: Numbers before DS, i.e., 3 DS = indicates the number of repetitions to be worked CTM = continuous thread method; meaning to wind two shuttles with out a knot between them; i.e., wind first shuttle then roll enough thread off the ball to wind second shuttle from opposite direction CL, or cl, close = close the ring JR, or JK = Josephine Knot or ring; meaning a small ring made of either half stitch repeated to form a twist in the ring. SH1 = shuttle one; SH2 = shuttle two etc. ss = switch shuttles Split ring= 5 / 5 with the "/" mark indicating the two parts of a split ring set stitch = 4 . 4 with the "." indicating the number of repetitions of each half stitch Barb: k AKTATTER: THOSE ARE THE MOST COMMON TERMS WE USE AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK AT THE PHOTO http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/onion/pat1pg7.html MJB: I have finished my proficiency test., and turned it in., AKTATTER: NOW TELL ME, DOESN'T THE DIAGRAM TELL US EVERYTHING WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW? AKTATTER: SUPER MARY JANE CONGRATULATIONS Raelara: yeah AKTATTER: I NEED TO START MAKING MASTER TATTERS SHUTTLES FOR YOURHEARTLAND GUILD! MJB: thank You Claudia: yes picotsnkeys: I missed that you don't RW between rings the first time I went off the diagram Cynthia: Anne I use AJ or A plus sign for the aligator Join...I don't think there is a standard abbre for it yet... AKTATTER: THE FACT THAT WE ARE MAKING 2 RTINGS IS OBVIOUS Raelara: except how to do the onion ring join, something I still haven't found time to practice AKTATTER: THE INNER RING IS R 9 - 9 cat2tat: my problem with diagrams is they don't tell you where to start picotsnkeys: adding the arrow helps AnneB: ok. I think i used a ~ in the dragon pattern AKTATTER: MANY PATTERNS TODAY ARE ADDING A STAR OR AN ARROW FOR A STARTING POINT Winkerbill: and sometimes when they DO tell you wehre to start, they seem to go in the opposite direction from teh way YOUR work is progressing. picotsnkeys: oh how true! Winkerbill: or their starting place makes for an awkward join at the end.... Cynthia: That works too...Anne...I didn't think of that... AKTATTER: THE OUTER RING SHOWS 5 DS BETWEEN EACH PICOT OR JOIN Raelara: I think the diagrams limit you a bit. I have a friend, the person who taught me to tat, who can ONLY tat from diagrams Raelara: she has never learned how to read patterns, and it limits her a LOT AKTATTER: AND WE CAN START THE PATTERNS ANYWHERE WE WANT ONCE WE UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS PUT TOGETHER RuthP from x.x.x.164 joined the chat 6 hours ago AnneB: I like the combination of diagram and written pattern Winkerbill: hi Ruth Cynthia: Hi Ruth Claudia: hi ruth RuthP: Hi all! AnneB: Hi Ruth AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT THIS ONE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/sixd.jpg MJB: Hello Ruth P AKTATTER: WELCOME RUTH Winkerbill: i like diagram pattern good phto Winkerbill: photo Jenny: Hi Ruth cat2tat: understanding how it's put together - the impossible dream??he he he! Denise: Me too Anne. It gives me and idea of what it should look like Angela: I like both AKTATTER: ME TOO STEPH THE BEST OF ALL GIVES EVERYTHING stitchingsharon from x.x.x.33 joined the chat 6 hours ago Marie Smith from x.x.x.20 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: NOTE THE SMALL RINGS HAVE ONLY ONE NUMBER INSIDE THEM Claudia: i also like diagrams and written patterns AKTATTER: WELCOME MARIE Winkerbill: hi Marie AnneB: Hi Marie! Raelara: I do like the diagrams, but it IS better with both stitchingsharon: Hello Ruth and Marie Marie Smith: marie smith anderson SC tattingwithmarie@yahoo.com AKTATTER: THAT TELLS US THAT THERE ARE 2 DS BETWEEN EACH PICOT OR JOIN RuthP: I think tatters today are spoiled with all the great patterns, thread, and easy to understand diagrams. Whatever happened to the good ole days when all we had was Workbasket patterns and often with the wrong photo? <G> AKTATTER: BUT IF THE PATTERN VARIES THEN WE MUST GIVE MORE DIRECTION Winkerbill: the diagram shows me things I don't necessarily see in the pattern....and a good photo tells me things I can't figure out from teh diagram or the pattern.... AKTATTER: THE LARGER RING SHOWS 5 - 3 - 3 - 5 Claudia: dont like this last one AKTATTER: AND THE DIAGRAM SHOWS US WHERE THE JOINS ARE Raelara: I have decided I like doing diagrams on top of photos AKTATTER: THIS LETS US KNOW THAT WE CAN MAKE ANY JOINING PICOTS SMALLER THAN THE DECORATIVE ONES maria alcant from x.x.x.113 joined the chat 6 hours ago Raelara: that way nothing is missing Marie Smith: HUH? Denise: What is the center? The dashes? maria alcant: Hello everybody sorry I am late. Rosemarie: k MJB: Hello Maria Claudia: hola maria Winkerbill: hi Maria AnneB: Hi Maria Denise: Is that supposed to be a chain that you have in the center? AKTATTER: WELCOME MARIA stitchingsharon: k maria alcant: Maria alcantara; famalcanprodigy.net.mx MEXICO susan cuss: hi Maria Raelara: the dashes are the thread that naturally runs from one ring to another Jenny: Hi Maria AKTATTER: THE DASHES INDICATE BARE SHUTTLE THREAD, NOTE THAT THE CHAINS ON THE OUTSIDE ARE SOLID LINES WITH THE DS COUNT 10 NEXT TO TIME toffeeapple from x.x.x.218 changed name to Brenda 6 hours ago AKTATTER: THEM AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/meloni/ambow.html AKTATTER: WELCOME BRENDA MJB: Hello Brenda AnneB: Hi Brenda! Claudia: hi brenda AKTATTER: THIS IS WHAT WE COME TO IN THE END , WE HAVE AN IDEA, WE MAY DRAW A SHAPE LIKE THIS BOW Brenda: Hi everyone. I am just watching and getting ready for the beginner class on Thursday AKTATTER: ME MAY OUTLINE IT IN TATTING WITH A CHAIN, OR ROW OF SPLIT RINGS ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Nov 3 02:51:18 2009 GMT (179 KB) Page 2 of 4 - Char 51308 to 102572 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER: AT THAT POINT WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE AKTATTER: USING THE OUTLINE, LIKE THE IMPRINT OF A COOKIE CUTTER, AS OUR BASE picotsnkeys: k Denise: I think that is a neat idea! Makes me feel like even I could design something cool. AKTATTER: WE CAN CHOOSE 1 OF 2 METHODS, BACH VS BEETHOVEN I CALL IT Cynthia: you can...we all can Denise meowy: oh that's cool picotsnkeys: Closer to musical reality than you think!!! AKTATTER: IN THE BACH STYLE, WE USE THE OUTLINE TO DEFINE THE SHAPE AND WE FILL THE ENTIRE HOLE IT CREATES stitchingsharon: k AKTATTER: IN THE BEETHOVEN STYLE, WE USE THE OUTLINE AS ONLY OUR FOUNDATION AND TAT AROUND THE HOLE LETTING THE HOLE SHAPE BECOME NEGATIVE SPACE Raelara: k RuthP: . susan cuss: neat AKTATTER: ASK ANY QUESITONS YOU MAY HAVE BRENDA Claudia: never used this way.. its interesting AKTATTER: OK NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE A PRACTICAL STEP AKTATTER: LET;S USE ONE OF THESE VINTAGE PATTERNS FOR A PRACTICE AKTATTER: YOU NEED A PENCIL AND PIECE OF PAPER Winkerbill: wonder what you'd get if you used the ......schonberg approach....hehehehe.... Brenda: Don't know half of what you are talking about. I am doing the Awareness ribbon at the moment. I am doing the pattern with chains. I hope!! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework1FHarris.pdf Denise: lol Wink AKTATTER: NOTE THIS PATTERN'S LINK HAD TO BE CHANGED TODAY IF YOU HAD TROUBLE SEEING IT EARLIER AKTATTER: THAT IS GREAT BRENDA WE ARE GOING TO MENTION THAT PATTERN AT THE END OF THE OHUR ALSO AnneB: Don't worry Brenda - you'll understand more as time goes by :-) AKTATTER: TAKE UP PENCIL AND READ THE FIRST LINE OF THE HARRIS PATTERN PLEASE Cynthia: you are doing fine Brenda This is a bit confusing even when you know exactly what we are doing.... AKTATTER: DRAW WHAT YOU THINK IT WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER 4 RINGS AND 4 CHAINS picotsnkeys: k Brenda: I am learning all the time. I won't give up. Put the crochet away to learn tatting. Winkerbill: Just hang out with us Brenda....it will eventually make sense to you. Winkerbill: and it's fun. Claudia: we dont Rw to make this chains? Brenda: it is fun. I have met some really nice people already. very helpful. AKTATTER: THAT IS THE FIRST QUESTION TO RW OR NOT TO RW Barb: Question? In the pdf it shows that there are two pages, but the 2nd page is blank. Is there supposed to be something on it? AKTATTER: IN A NOIRMAL RIGN AND CHAIN REPEAT WE RW AFTER EACH RING AND CHAIN Cynthia: bet it is to draw on...lol meowy: oh man hehe, at the first question i'd be confused if i was tryint to tat it AKTATTER: I'LL DOUBLE CHECK BARB AnneB: All the Repeats spinss my head around - and yet I use those in my design too LOL picotsnkeys: ummm.....mine looks as pretty as a 12 tone Schoenberg "melody".....lol stitchingsharon: k RuthP: . maria alcant: . AKTATTER: THE LAST WORDS ARE INNER EDGE AROUND NO PG 2 Claudia: mine is unchain melody! lol AKTATTER: THE SECOND QUESTION TO ASK IS WHAT? Winkerbill: once you get used to the style, schonberg can be pretty nice, too. ;-) meowy: do these join along the way? AKTATTER: DO THEY JOIN Raelara: yeah, are there any joins?? AKTATTER: RIGHT!!!!! meowy: oh yay Barb: ty Claudia: right ... the joins ! Jenny from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 6 hours ago RuthP: . AKTATTER: WELCOME JENNY AKTATTER: WELL HOW ON EARTH ARE WE TO KNOW? Jenny: sorry I went to get a pencil MJB: Hello Jenny Brenda: hello Jenny meowy: try it and see? stitchingsharon: k Denise: Is that stuff in the [] the same thing as the first line? or are we doing these rings again? Raelara: yeah, the way the brackets are written is confusing AKTATTER: THE BRACKETS SHOW THE NEXT STEP IN THE PATTERN Gretta: Nothing tells us to join. no maria alcant: the 2nd instruction joint to anoyher row ??? AKTATTER: YOU WILL REPEAT FROM THE FIRST BRACKET TO THE LAST BRACKET 1 TIME FOR 1 REPEAT Gretta: plus sign Denise: so do we just have a dangling chain and rings that aren't connected from the first line? AKTATTER: NOW SINCE THE NEXT STEP DOES SAY TO JOIN AKTATTER: I AM GUESSING THAT WE DO HAVE A DANGLING RING AND CHAIN AKTATTER: RIGHT DENISE MY GUESS ALSO Claudia: 2nd line... the first ring... join to what? Brenda: sounds hard all these joins and brackets. Lol Jenny: I think this is the most cofusing pattern I have ever seen and I learned to tat in 1956! Raelara: maybe it goes around in a spiral? Raelara: I would say join to previous ring susan cuss: to the picot on 1st chain? Rosemarie: k meowy: hehe i can feel a pain starting up ehind my right eye trying to understand this printout AKTATTER: JENNY WITHOUT A PHOTO OR A DIAGRAM YOU CAN SEE JUST HOW FRUSTRATING IT IS! Angela: . AKTATTER: OK LET'S TRY THE OTHER PATTERN NOW AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework_Adeline_Cordet.pdf Raelara: LOL Jenny. I wasn't even around in 1956. picotsnkeys: clue: inner edge and outer edge? susan cuss: I tried it last night and was frustrated Cynthia: definately I have 2 different drawings and I'm not sure either are right... Marie Smith: k AKTATTER: AGAIN READ THE FIRST LINE AND DRAW WHAT YOU THINK IT LOOKS like after 6 rings and chains Claudia: this confused me too RuthP: You all might find my Easy Celtic Wreath interesting here. It has a number of rings and chains not joined at first. http://tatting.wordpress.com susan cuss: thank you Ruth RuthP: But I do have photos! AKTATTER: the ourter edgeo nthat other pattern joins to a picot on the chains or so I think meowy: what's the plus over a minus mean? AKTATTER: ok let's look at ruths p[age Raelara: join I think, meowy AKTATTER: that means the first time it is a picot but after that a join is made at that spot meowy: ohh ty! gonna write that down Cynthia: it could be a picot or a join depending on exactly where it is in the ring pattern Marie Smith: k Riet de B-engel from x.x.x.50 joined the chat 6 hours ago Riet de B-engel: hi stitchingsharon: k AKTATTER: ok question 1 Marie Smith: hey reit! RuthP: I don't think I've ever seen that used that way before. Brenda: hie AKTATTER: DO WE RW? YES IT IS GIVEN IN THE PATTERN Brenda: sorry hi Winkerbill: Hi Riet!! RuthP: Hi Riet! maria alcant: nice snowflake Ruth Jenny: I can't get Ruth's pattern AKTATTER: RIET HOW LOVELY TO SEE YOU HERE TONDAY AKTATTER: QUESTION 2 DO WE JOIN? meowy: thank you ruth, printing it to try too! AnneB: Hi Riet stitchingsharon: Hey Reit! Jenny: Hi Riet RuthP: Jenny email me privately rjpoms on yahoo Riet de B-engel: I just listen I will come to the late class MJB: Hello Reit picotsnkeys: does "wheel" mean "round"? meowy: picture shows no join it looks like AKTATTER: YES THE PLUS MARK OVER THE MINUS MARK INDICATES JOINS AFTER THE FIRST RING AnneB: Yes - you join the rings Claudia: g.. are we in ruth pattern ? AKTATTER: OFRT OLD PATTERNS CALL THE CENTER OF A PATTERN A WHEEL, OR ANY ROUND MEDALLION USED IN A PATTERN TOO Claudia: im getting confused picotsnkeys: ah! Riet de B-engel: . Raelara: so you end up with a wheel of six rings joined in the center AKTATTER: RUTH'S PATTERN SHOWS AN INSTANCE OF RINGS AND CHAINS NOT JOINED AnneB: I did a test tat on the second pattern but got lost somewhere down the line (pattern) Claudia: ok AKTATTER: WE ARE IN TEH ADELINE CORDET PATTERNNOW Claudia: thanks AKTATTER: YES A ROUND SENTER WITH A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT meowy: i think that first photo on ruth's is pretty just as it is, i think i'll do that first round and stick it on stationary hehe RuthP: G susan cuss: I did too, Anne AKTATTER: QUESTION 3 DO WE CONTINUE OR DO WE CUT AND TIE AND START AGAIN? Barb: Which Pattern? Ruth's or the PDF pattern? Claudia: continue? Raelara: It makes it sound like you just continue on RuthP: It sounds to me like cut and tie susan cuss: it doesn't specify AKTATTER: IT DOES TO ME ALSO RUTH Denise: Continue since it starts with a chain? Raelara: because that would make more sense than cutting and then starting wiht a chain AKTATTER: SO MY DIAGRAM WILL SHOW A NEW ROUND STARTING meowy: i usually base it on if my shuttle has enough thread to do a round in hehe Winkerbill: no way to climb out? stitchingsharon: k AnneB: I'm not sur if we are to cut - I continued without cutting AKTATTER: BEFORE WE CAN DECIDE WHERE HOW TO CLIMB OUT STEPH WE NEED TO FINISH OUR DIAGRAM susan cuss: I didn't cut either AKTATTER: ONLY THEN CAN SWE SEE HOW IT FITS TOGETHER Winkerbill: oh yeah.... Jenny: : picotsnkeys: . AnneB: But that did not fit with the centre wheel I know. AKTATTER: TO ME IT LOOKS LIEK A SECOND ROUND ENCIRCLES THE FIRST CENTER ROUND MJB: ;; AnneB: I could not figure out the second round at all Claudia: but it says ... wheels up and wheels down.. ¿? RuthP: If you tie to the base of a ring, you're at a dead end Marie Smith: . Denise: . Barb: k Angela: . AKTATTER: WITH THE RINGS JOINING TO THE PICOTS ON THE CHAIN OF THE FIRST "WHEEL" Cynthia: . RuthP: The same pattern could be worked differently so you could climb out tho stitchingsharon: k maria alcant: i get lost...what design are we talhing about?? Raelara: but which picots? It just says to join to picot of last chian, but doesn't mention which picot to join to AKTATTER: LOL http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework_Adeline_Cordet.pdf Claudia: el segundo maria AKTATTER: SO THERE SHOULD BE NO DOUBT IN ANY TATTER'S MIND AT THIS POINT picotsnkeys: I'm lost too....but, I've got the right pattern up.... AKTATTER: OF HOW IMPORTANT EITHER A PHOTO OF THE FINISEHD WORK IR Claudia: i have alll!!! AKTATTER: IS OR A DIAGRAM WITH THE DS COUNT NUMBERED ON IT AKTATTER: ARE WE IN AGREEMENT? Cynthia: I think we get that concept...lol Raelara: no joke Claudia: yesss!!! picotsnkeys: YES! LOL Angela: yes cat2tat: amen! Cynthia: and yes.... susan cuss: yes Raelara: anyone think they can actually tat this thing??? Gretta: yes AKTATTER: NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THESE PATTERN REALLY LOOK meowy: yeah definitely hehe susan cuss: please Denise: yes please maria alcant: yess AnneB: Photo or diagram is needed - YES AKTATTER: WE NEED TO GET A COPY OF PIECEWORK NOV/DEC 2009 cat2tat: PLEASE Raelara: PLEASE!!!!!! Cynthia: YES please Barb: It's a wonder those tatters of yester-year ever got anything made correctly. meowy: ooo i've never seen that magazine before Claudia: pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee´ MJB: be fun to see them Jenny: Yes please AKTATTER: I WILL CHECK AND SEE IF I HAVE THE ORIGINAL PATTERN IN MY FILES ANYWHERE ALSO Cynthia: okay I may just loook at it.... AKTATTER: IT IS A WONDERFUL MAGAZINE Raelara: I am hoping to be able to find it at Michaels cat2tat: how do you get a copy of that magazine? AKTATTER: IT HAS PUBLISHED MANY TATTING PATTERNS OVER THE YEARS AND REVIEWS OF TATTING BOOKS TOO Raelara: I would love to see the original, unmodified pattern Cynthia: or Borders... Denise: My mom subscribes to it. I'll go borrow hers Claudia: and the first pattern?? could you get a diagram too?? AKTATTER: interweave press Denise: I tried to get me a copy at Barnes and Noble but they still have the Sept/Oct meowy: oh gotta remember to see if barnes and nobel has it, mostly it seems they have knitting and quilting and cross stitch Cynthia: not until the 3rd I was told...some areas it may be day or two later... Raelara: I think I heard that it will be out on the 4th AKTATTER: I WILL CHECK FOR BOTH PATTERNS CLAUDIA stitchingsharon: k Rosemarie: k Barb: Georgia..you are such a tease! Now I'll have to try to find the magazine. ROFL susan cuss: thank you AKTATTER: http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/ AKTATTER: ME TOO BARB I DROVE 90 MILES YESTERDAY TO TERRE HAUTE AND BACK JUST LOOKING FOR A COPY! Denise: ahh on newstands Nov 3 AnneB: One thigs is for sure, I can't get it here! Barb: Oh Wow Georgia! I used to subscribe to that magazine years ago. But haven't read it in years now. Marie Smith: . Raelara: sounds like something worth subscribing to AKTATTER: SURE YOU CAN ANNE BUT THE POSTAGE WILL HURT Barb: They did have some really fantastic stuff in there. Jenny: Or here AKTATTER: OK BEFORE WE END TODAY RuthP: It says it's on news stands Nov 3rd. That's tomorrow. So, even if the store had them they can't sell them til tomorrow. meowy: is there tatting every issue? picotsnkeys: too bad the library doesn't subscribe to it AKTATTER: PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PATTEN FROM THE BEGINNERS CLASS AKTATTER: NOT EVERY ISSUE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/mimi/html/LenoreEnglishAwareness2.pdf Claudia: surfing the web i just find this photo.. think its the second pattern http://www.creativehomeartsclub.com/uploadedImages/From_the_Magazine/Articles/Contests/Ornament_Contest_Winners_2009/Moody.jpg Brenda: sorry got to go. see you on thursday Claudia: is it?? AKTATTER: BYE BRENDA meowy: see you then brenda! meowy: that is pretty claudia, I hope that's it hehe Denise: Oh I really need to buy some balls to put these patterns on Raelara: that certainly clarifies things. MJB: We made lots of those cancer ones to sell in Evansville Denise: So you do climb out Claudia: now i understand!!! Raelara: that is pretty much how I was visualizing the climb out and those chains Raelara: I just couldn't figure out all the joins Cynthia: You can put a small balloon in the tatting after you have starched it...blow up balloon and then when dry pop the balloon and you have a magic ball AnneB: Bye Brenda! Jenny: What a difference a picture makes . Now it is clear AKTATTER: THAT IS NOT THE PATTERN I FEAR FOR THESE TWO VINTAGE PATTERNS Marie Smith: . Denise: Oh really do you starch your tatting and leave it like that? Does it store like that? Raelara: It sure looks like it, G Claudia: it looks similar Jenny: Oh dear Now we need to find the pattern that fits the picture picotsnkeys: I don't recognize the picture from the directions either. Cynthia: for stored items I use half and half white school glue and water not starch AKTATTER: ACTUALLY I THINK IT IS THE PATTERN FOR THE CORDET ORNAMENT Denise: Ugh I'm driving to my mom's tonight AnneB: Aha - I was on to something at least! maria alcant: is the lace pattern G? Raelara: I think that picture is the Adeline Cordet pattern AKTATTER: NOT THE HARRIS PATTERN picotsnkeys: I agree Raelara: ITA Barb: Good idea Cynthia :) AKTATTER: YES ! EACH OF THE FIRST 6 RINGS JOIN TO THE FIRST RING meowy: are those long strands where it's sewn onto the ball? AKTATTER: AND YOU CLIMB OUT WITH THAT CHIAN Raelara: Makes me want to take the text and that pic and make a new pdf with the pic on it Cynthia: Denise I can explain more after class if you can stay...others too... AKTATTER: THEN DO THE SMALL SINGLE RING FOLLOWED BY THE LONG CHAIN Denise: Oh thanks Cynthia stitchingsharon: k Winkerbill: k AKTATTER: AND THAT TAKES YOU INTO THE NEXT WHEEL!!! Raelara: then a second wheel that connects to the small ring AKTATTER: HOORAY ONE DOWN AND ONE TO GO! Raelara: yay!!! Claudia: yep wheels down and up!! Cynthia: ah ha!!! AKTATTER: NOW BACK TO THE RIBBON FROM THE BEGINNERS CLASS Claudia: now its clear... Claudia: ok AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/mimi/html/LenoreEnglishAwareness2.pdf Riet de B-engel: . susan cuss: awright maria alcant: claudia????? no encuentro ese patron help Barb: .. Claudia: el segundo? RuthP: . Jane Eb from x.x.x.206 joined the chat 5 hours ago Jenny: Sorry have to go now. Thanks for the class Georgia, bye everybody AKTATTER: THERE ARE 3 VERSIONS AKTATTER: WELCOME JANE Raelara: que patron necesitas Maria? Riet de B-engel: Hi Jane Winkerbill: bye Jenny AKTATTER: BYE JENNY MJB: Hello Jane Raelara: err, cual? AnneB: Hi Jane picotsnkeys: bye Jenny Jane Eb: Hi all - forgot to look at the clock!!!!!!!!! susan cuss: hi Jane, bye Jenny maria alcant: del que estan hablando de la revista o es el que tu pusiste de la esfera?? Winkerbill: hi Jane! Beadweaver from x.x.x.74 joined the chat 5 hours ago Rosemarie: k meowy: hi jane, bye jenny Cynthia: Hi Jane and Bye Jenny Claudia: el de la esfera Marie Smith: Hi Jane Riet de B-engel: Can you see what time it is Raelara: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework_Adeline_Cordet.pdf AKTATTER: LOOK AT VERSION WHICH HAS THE FIRST LINE RING 3 P 3 P 3 P 3 CLR, RW maria alcant: gracias!!!! Claudia: thanks raelara Raelara: este es el patron que esta en la esfera maria alcant: thanks raelara Angela: have to go, my daughter is anxious to go to Healy. Angela from x.x.x.141 left the chat 5 hours ago AKTATTER: THE RIGNS ARE JOINED AFTER THE 3RD DS Cynthia: bye Angela RuthP: BRB stitchingsharon: Hi Jane AKTATTER: STAY WARM ANGEL Raelara: de nada maria Jane Eb: I can but didn't look up from my tatting!! Sorry, Georgia AKTATTER: YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME JANE Raelara: you missed an interesting discussion, Jane AKTATTER: THE JOINS HAPPEN THE SAEM PLACE ON THE PATTERN THAT FOLLOWS IT ALSO Jane Eb: Sorry I missed it. The tatting I'm doing is so intersting!!! Cynthia: even tho I don't read spanish I think I understand what has been said...lol no I'm not paranoid... AKTATTER: WHAT IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THESE TWO RING AND CHAIN REPEATS? Jane Eb: interesting!! Riet de B-engel: I will be back in the second class by for now AKTATTER: WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON JANE CAN YOU SHARE IT WITH US OR IS IT A TIAD AKTATTER: TIAS AKTATTER: GREAT RIET SEE YOU SOON picotsnkeys: k MJB: I really like those TIAS Beadweaver: I'll be back at 8:00. Can I read over todays beginner class? Jane Eb: It's on my blog. Very interesting and quite - sort of hard http://janeeborall.blogspot.com/ Yesterday and today's posts AKTATTER: YES BEAD ON THE LEFT CLICK ON SAVE/PRINT AND PRINT OFF THE LOG AKTATTER: OR COPY AND SAVE IT TO YOUR COMPUTER TO VIEW LATER Jane Eb: I'll do another TIAS - hopefully just after Christmas. Got two or three things 'bubbling' at the moment! AKTATTER: OH YOU TEASE! OK MJB: good Jane Cynthia: be sure to get all the pages...to get page 1 change the number Denise: tias? Rosemarie: what are tias and tiad? Claudia: tat it and see denise Cynthia: Tat It And See Barb: TIAS ??? AKTATTER: WHEN YOU HAVE STUDIE THOSE TWO PATTERNS THEN COMPARE THEM TO THE FIRRST PATTERN WHICH IS ALL RINGS, NOT A RING AND CHAIN PATERN Denise: ahh Beadweaver: OK. Thanks, I'll be here tonight : ) Cynthia: only get part of the pattern at a time RuthP: . meowy: oh hehe i thought it stood for "this is a secret" MJB: they are fun., you don't know what you are making. Cynthia: it does kind of...we can try one in the beginner class if you want... AKTATTER: OH NO YOU'VE BEEN CHANGING LINKS AGAIN!!!! meowy: yeah that'd be fun cynthia! Rosemarie: It's Pasta Night at the Diner - Gotta Go! Cynthia: bye Rosemarie meowy: bye rosemarie! Raelara: wow, Jane, that is really complex Barb: .. Jane Eb: Only one or two, sorry, Georgia. I had to do a lot of work over the weekend cause when I transferred the files from the PC to the mac they lost all their flipping links!! Raelara: that must be annoying! stitchingsharon: k Cynthia: ooooooooohhhhhhhhh stress!!! another good reason not to switch kinds of computers Barb: Jane, I was thinking about 'freeform' tatting last night. Jane Eb: The tat it and see is when somebody releases a pattern in 'bits' so that you don't knw what you're tatting. Every few days they release another 'stage'. Good for learners and others!! Raelara: I have never tried freeform tatting Barb: In beadwork we do what we call 'freeform' we just bead without a pattern and just make it up as we go. I was going to try it this week for tatting. AKTATTER: WELL AFTER TODAY'S EXERCISE TIAS MAY NOT BE FAVORABLY REGARDED BY THE CLASS ROFL Raelara: I have a question thought Raelara: though Jane Eb: Freeform isn't easy but it does beat writing everythign down as you tat - believe me!!! Changing from PC to mac isn't hard. It's waaaay fun. meowy: oh i love that with dishcloths, sometimes i join in on knit or crochet patterns where we get a couple rows a day and end up with a washcloth at the end maria alcant: they are great!!!!! you have to thru one to realy understand what is about! Raelara: the angel we looked at a few weeks ago? Anyone know how much thread it uses? Denise: Yeah that is what i was thinking Georgia AKTATTER: OK ONE LAST NOTE ABOUT THE AWARENESS RIBBON IN ALL ALLRINGS Denise: but i would lik to try a tias AKTATTER: PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THE INNER CURVE OF THE RIBBON IS MADE AKTATTER: WHICH ANGEL RAE, GOT THE LINK? RuthP: . Barb: Please? What is a TIA ? AKTATTER: TAT IT AND SEE = TIAD Winkerbill: TIAS = Tat It And See Raelara: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/flatangel.html AKTATTER: TIAD = TIAS Denise: tat it and see. it is a game. where you only get part of a patter at a time Cynthia: TIAS Tat It And See... Raelara: this one, the angel recumbent susan cuss: T=tat I=it A=and S=see Cynthia: you get a part at a timeover several days Barb: ty Winkerbill: Jane, do you have links to one of the 'old" TIAS....maybe the first one ....that new people could go to and try? AKTATTER: MYU BEST GUESS IS 2 YD EACH SHUTTLE Raelara: ok. Hopefully I have enough Barb: Ahh.. ok. They do that in beadwork too.. but they call it something else. Those are kind of fun to do. picotsnkeys: what size thread? Jane Eb: Hang on - I'll go and look!! Raelara: I want to do that in a pearlescent thread, but I don't have much RuthP: . Barb: The angel is adorable. Raelara: What I have is 10 meters of a Kreinik braid Raelara: #8 braid AKTATTER: ANY LAST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LESSON? MJB: no., good lesson Cynthia: Thank you Georgia great class Barb: Oh I think in beading they call it a mystery pattern. meowy: not yet :) Raelara: definitely a good lesson Barb: Great Lesson. picotsnkeys: good teaser for a magazine! susan cuss: no, thanks Denise: this was an interesting lesson Gretta: very good lesson Thanksks maria alcant: i have to go thru..once more.... AKTATTER: USE A PLAIN THREAD FOR THE FOIUNDATION/CORE THREAD THAT MATCHES IN COLOR AND JUST SS WHEN NEEDED TO SAVE ON THE EXPENSIVE THREAD RAE Claudia: georgia Winkerbill: Rae, have you tried tatting with that braid ? meowy: this was another good one, thank you:) Raelara: Not yet Claudia: what is sp int the ribbon pattern? cat2tat: Thanks Georgia! Raelara: It looks to be about a size 30 though Jane Eb: There's a link to one of the TIAS's on the front page of my web site. Here you go http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/ Winkerbill: I did some tatting with Kreinik braid years ago....rings are very hard to close....so I used a smooth (cheaper) thread as the core and did SCMRs for the rings.... AnneB: I did a testtatting yesterday (just loaded up on flickr): http://www.flickr.com/photos/7597072@N04/4069898360/ picotsnkeys: sp means space of thread? AKTATTER: THIS LESSON WILL REPEAT AT 8:30PM ET Raelara: oooh, good idea winker AKTATTER: SP? susan cuss: thanks, Jane Claudia: in ribbon pattern georgia Raelara: that would conserve thread too AKTATTER: SP = SPACE OF BARE THREAD picotsnkeys: I second Winker's idea of SCMR meowy: yay thank you jane! :) Winkerbill: ooh, that's pretty Anne cat2tat: Bye everyone! Raelara: I am using a silver kreinik for stars Claudia: ok thanks Winkerbill: bye Cathy Barb: ty AKTATTER: BETWEEN RINGS IN ONE SHUTTLE WORK THE LENGTH OF THE THREAD BETWEEN THE RINGS IS BARE AND OFTEN JUST REFERED TO AS A SPACE Raelara: but I may not have a choice there, as I am doing some of them in split rings Denise: oh my gosh! Thanks Jane. Those are great susan cuss: bye everybody AnneB: It is of the Cordet pattern Jane Eb: There's a TIAS on the Palmetto CD for this year too!! Claudia: thanks for this class.. my brains work a lot!! Winkerbill: I like to use a strand of blending filament (or sometimes a smooth metallic machine embroidery thread) wound on the shuttle together WITH a strand of regular thread. Turns ANY thread into "metallic" with some sparkle, costs less, and tends to be easier to close the rings wtihout resorting to the SCMR trick.... picotsnkeys: that's nice Anne. I like it! Raelara: blending filament??? maria alcant: thank you G....I get the needle split ring.. Barb: Is there a way to keep the bare space thread even? Do you measure it? or just have to do a lot of practice? Winkerbill: one caution - in my experience black thread mixed with gold or silver metallic and tatted together tends to make it look like wet, shiny black plastic.... AKTATTER: BYE SUSAN AnneB: Ups - it is getting late - I'm off to bed soon AKTATTER: NIGHTER ANNE Winkerbill: um...it's a very thin, smooth thread. Kreinik makes some metallic looking ones, also a sort of opalescent/pearlescent one.... susan cuss: thanks so much. happy tatting all Denise: night Anne Cynthia: .good night Anne AnneB: See you in a week! Good night all! AnneB from x.x.x.72 left the chat 5 hours ago picotsnkeys: night Anne meowy: see you all soon, need to go lay down a bit. thanks for all the info today :) Raelara: I will have to look and see if my local shop has some Winkerbill: too thin and fragile to use alone when tatting, but works when it's used together with regular cotton thread. AKTATTER: LSAT CALL FOR QUESTIONS?? Raelara: I may not have it in my budget for this project though picotsnkeys: look in Needlepoint areas Winkerbill: Feel the threads if they're not wrapped in plastic. Claudia: where are you from raelara ? your spanish is good Raelara: I grew up in Utha Raelara: Utah maria alcant: realy good! AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR STOPPING BY TODAY AND FOR ALL THOSE WHO MAKE THIS CLASS POSSBILE BY DONATING THEIR TIME, TALENT AND PATTERNS ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Nov 3 02:51:41 2009 GMT (179 KB) Page 3 of 4 - Char 102573 to 153875 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Winkerbill: or try a fabric store and look at the coats and clark metallic machine embroidery threads....again, FEEL them for smoothness before you buy one. Claudia: thanks g! maria alcant: BY! G AKTATTER: BYE FOR NOW /bye Cynthia: Thank you Georgia.... Winkerbill: or other brands.... AKTATTER from x.x.x.238 left the chat 5 hours ago Winkerbill: wow, look at the TIME!!! Got to run! Barb: yes, thank you Georgia :) RuthP: Bye all Claudia: bye all girls!! picotsnkeys: bye.... maria alcant: bye !!!!! Cynthia: I can stay and explain how I do the magic balls... Claudia: chau maria Barb: This is not on the class subject at all.. But I was looking at Georgia's site today and found this. And I was wondering if this is kind of like a cluny weave for needle tatters? Denise: I would like that Barb: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/weave/needleweavetat.html Cynthia: anyone interested in staing? Barb: I'll stay Cynthia. :) Denise: I will stay, but won't keep you long. Promise. Not like for SCMRs haha picotsnkeys: I'm interested in the magic ball idea Raelara: I don Barb: magic ball? Raelara: I don't think it is a cluny leaf, but something similar Cynthia: okay no problem Raelara: more like a tatter's variation on needle lace. Barb: Thank you Raelara. I really like the way it looks. Cynthia: you make a "cover" for a ball out of tatting. Barb: And it looks like it's much easier than making a cluny loom on your hand. LOL Cynthia: like the patterns we looked at today or any pattern that will cover a Christmas ball or Tree Ball....what ever you call it....lol Cynthia: brb phone Barb: Oh.. Cynthia. I thought you said you make a clover. LOL I was wondering what you were talking about. LOL Raelara: kreinik braid doesn't seem too hard to close, as long as I tat loosely picotsnkeys: I used the needletatting technique to make leaves for fuschia blossoms. It worked well Barb: oh I'll bet that is beautiful! picotsnkeys: I ended up with serwing thread, beading needles, and a magnifying glass clipped to the table picotsnkeys: It did give me the effect I wanted. Barb: LOL Denise: I really want to go to my mom's house for that magazine now Barb: Do you have a blog with a picture? I'd love to see it. Barb: I don't blame you Denise. It would be great to see the pictures. Raelara: I would love to see that too, picots picotsnkeys: I didn't get a good picture before I sent the presents out (family christmas presents for those far away) Denise: I do have a sort of blog. My main blog is down now though. computer broke that ran it picotsnkeys: all before I discovered this class Cynthia: sorry it was my daughter she has a flat on her bike and didn't remember her dad's office number... Barb: If you do another one let us know so we can see it. :) picotsnkeys: I used 2 strands of the krenik blending filament for the head of a hummingbird. Raelara: definitely Barb: Oh no Cynthia. Is she far from home? Raelara: must have been one small hummingbird picotsnkeys: 1 strand kept breaking picotsnkeys: I'm refining the pattern to look more like the hummingbirds in my back yard. Cynthia: no actually less tjam 2 blocks from her dad's office...just couldn't remember the number.... Cynthia: oooh that sounds nice Melanie Barb: Oh poor dear. I hope she's ok. Raelara: I better go Raelara: my kids are getting restless Raelara: and it is time to make my daughter practice her violin Cynthia: a quick finish or we can do it tonight if that would be better... Barb: I have never heard of blending thread before. What makes it different than regular thread? Is it like that clear monofiliment fishing line or? Raelara: http://www.kreinik.com/kshop/product.php?productid=51 Denise: NOt usre I can make it tonight Barb: bye raelara picotsnkeys: Bye Raelara. I should go to Denise: quick finish? Cynthia: or thursday or I may post it on nsan... picotsnkeys: I need to pick up the cello and my daughter too. Barb: ty for the link picotsnkeys: Ooooo post it on nsan! Barb: I'm lost..what are you talking about Cynthia? Cynthia: okay put a balloon inside the wet ball cover...blow it up to hold the shape...let dry...pop balloon it is like magic Denise: Ok that will work. Just let me know. I'd like to try. But I think I get it one part white school glue, one part water, mix. Dip piece in. Put balloon in and blow up. Let dry, pop balloon. Barb: Oh ok Cynthia: Got it Denise... Denise: But how do you keep the glue from looking all beady and making the string white? is it the water that does that? picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 left the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: white glue dryes clear or almost clear Denise: ahh ok. Barb: It's just like that old string thing that my kids used to do. Wet the string with glue and then wrap it around a balloon and then let it dry completely. And then pop the baloon and the string keeps its shape. Cynthia: the cheep kind works Barb: Great idea. I would have never thought to do it with tatting. Cynthia: Elmers...School glue...or the generic white glue Cynthia: just make sure it is water base... Denise: and you store it like that. You don't wash it out before storing? Denise: I thought you were supposed to wash starch out Cynthia: After Christmas I wash the glue out and let it dry then next year redoit Denise: ahh ok Barb: What a clever idea. That would have people wondering how you did it. :) Cynthia: with starch it attracts mice and bugs and glue doesn't but you can save a lot of room in the storage area with fkat deciratuibs... Cynthia: flat decorations...lol Barb: Does it matter what size thread you use? or do they all work ok? Denise: I wanted to make some snow flakes to hang around this year. I might try the glue trick with those. If it works then I'll make the ball from teh magazine Cynthia: My kids when they were little called them "Magic Christmas Balls" andit was crocheted then... Barb: brb Cynthia: snowflakes work too just dry them flat,,, Cynthia: I did it last year with tatted ball covers. I don't like the glass balls on a tree...I had one get against an old light and explode...haven't used them since... Barb: bk Barb: Yikes! Denise: I have parrots so haven't had a tree in years. Afraid they would get sick from any pesticide Cynthia: it scared the dickens out of me and I was 25 at the time.... Denise: because she would investigate that tree without a doubt once she got over being scared Cynthia: you can get trees wild grown and no chemicals... Barb: I'll bet it did. Would scare me too. Denise: Yeah I wouldn't use those anymore either. Cynthia: it took 20 ins to get the cat out from under the bed...lol Denise: I'll have to see if I can find one without chemicals Cynthia: mins that should be Barb: That blending thread sounds pretty. Cynthia: look for a wild grown tree or get a forest service permit and cut your own.... Denise: haha I'm not sure where I'd do that around here Cynthia: where can I get the blending thread? Is it the same as krenik machine embroidery thread? Barb: Well, you could always tat the cute little tree from last week's lesson. LOL And pin it to the wall. Hehhhe.. Denise: haha yeah Barb: http://www.kreinik.com/kshop/product.php?productid=51 Barb: That's the link someone gave earlier. Barb: LOL Denise, then you could get some really thin thread and tat some ornaments to hand on it. LOL Cynthia: I can get that at a local store...she does mostly upholstery but has an incredible thread display... Barb: Oh cool! Denise: haha Denise: I think I'll just tat some snowflakes and maybe a few balls and find somewhere to hang them in the house Cynthia: I missed that...and it looks like what she has there.... Barb: That would be cool too Denise Cynthia: yes it would be pretty. I have a tatted tree that is about 16" tall when done Denise: what woud you use the blending filament on? Cynthia: I can see if I can find the pattern... Cynthia: with a regular thread a double bobbin shuttle works very well for that... Barb: I don't know Denise. Someone was mixing it into their tatting I think? Denise: You tat over normal thread core with it or hold it together with another thread? Denise: oh is that what double bobbins are for? So you can hold two types of thread together? Barb: One thing about filiment type threads, if they are like fishing line, they break down over time. Cynthia: I use it with another thread as it doesn't have the strength to be alone...it is made to go on cloth Cynthia: double bobbins have a different use too. It is hard to explain but easy to show... Barb: Beaders have been using fishing line for years now and some of it is starting to deteriorte and the jewelry is falling apart. Cynthia: you need to get the stabilized line it holds up a long time in light where the older fishing line doesn't Barb: I don't use it in my beading because I remember my fishing line getting brittle on the fishing poles. So I stick to regular beading thread. Cynthia: it is UV protected. Barb: oh that's good. Denise: Ok well my husband is here waiting for me to do something with him. I better get going Cynthia: and yes when exposed to light it does get brittle... Denise: Thanks for all the info again! Have a good day Barb: I saw something on double bobbins the other day. I can't remember where though. Cynthia: Bye denise if you have questions please email me... Denise: Bye Denise: ok thanks Cynthia: Roseground and Shuttle Brothers Barb: bye denise : ) see you next time Cynthia: I just ordered 2 shuttles from Roseground...as my Christmas present... Barb: Awesome! How exciting. Barb: What kind? Cynthia: a single Kingswood and a double in English Yew (I think) Barb: do you have a link to their site? Barb: if not I can google for it. Cynthia: once I tried the wooden shuttles I have about given up on the plastic and metal Cynthia: just google or roseground.com I think will get it Barb: I think the one I ordered from Georgia is wooden?? but is colored somehow??? Not sure? Cynthia: I don't know either...I prefer the bobbin shuttles.... Cynthia: I think hers are wood with paint but not sure...they are pretty tho... Cynthia: brb Barb: k Cynthia: bk http://www.roseground.com/18/30 shows the shuttles...I got the style of the double for both Barb: Those look really interesting. Barb: How would you hold them? On the sides? or at the tip? Cynthia: my arthritic fingers are stiff and sometimes the plastic and metal shuttles can feel so cold and hard even when they are held long enough to be "warm" and the wood ones are always warm Cynthia: I hod the sides not the bobbin part Cynthia: the GR8 shuttles have a how to page on the Shuttle Brothers Site Barb: Yes, I know what you mean about the wood always being warm. It really is. Barb: Oh cool. I'll take a look . Barb: I just got confirmation of my Handy Hands order. Wahoo. Cynthia: Thank you I was told I was imagining it...but Dougs says it is because they are a natural matrial so have give that plastic and metal don't Barb: I only ordered, I think three threads and a Bone Celtic shuttle Cynthia: different shuttles for different tatters...or something like that....The bone would be that way too I think Barb: No, it's true. Wood is much warmer. Maybe it retains the heat of your hands better or? Cynthia: You will like the Lizbeth thread Cynthia: I don't explain it I just use them...lol Barb: I wanted to try a bone one, just to see how it feels. Also, I wanted a thin one just because I like the way it looks. LOL Cynthia: I have a metal celtic shuttle and use it occasonally...My plastic and metal ones have migrated to the zip bag...shows you how often I use them...lol Barb: I decided to only get two or three balls. I haven't used size 20 thread yet. But did I tell you that I needle tatted a teeny ring with size 150 thread? Barb: LOL Cynthia: yes I bet it is cute....tiny and cute Barb: A lady gave it to me and I thought that I'd never use it. It's so fine. But I got the smaller needles in the mail Saturday and so I thought I'd give it a try. Cynthia: which needle is little enough.... Barb: Way cute. Barb: I can't even see the knots without my magnifying visor though. LOL Barb: I used the size 8 Cynthia: I'm sure as the 80 gives me a challenge....and I use it for earrings... Barb: I ordered some from Cindy's Crafts ..I get a lot of my beads there and she's so nice.. Anyway, when I got the package Saturday it had an extra needle in it. Cynthia: okay now I know which one is the tiny one in my tube...I lost the paper that showed which was which...lol Barb: I only did the one ring. That's probably all I'll ever do. LOL Cynthia: you never know...more together in a snowflake would make a neat earring....delicate Barb: That's true. I just dont' know if I could do a whole piece with tht thin thread. LOL Cynthia: brb dog needs out Barb: k Cynthia: sorry a bird onthe back porch...has been successfully released into the wilds of the back yard Barb: It's so tiny that it fits on my fingernail on my little finger with room to spare. Did I send you the picture? Cynthia: leaves are falling and Sobie has to bark at each ome//// Barb: I'll send you a pic of it in email. Cynthia: yes Cynthia: you did Barb: LOL Barb: oh ok.. Barb: I found an old cigar box to keep my shuttles in. I used to buy them from a gas stating that sold cigars years ago. Cynthia: Doug has to teach a beginning bagpipe class tonight at 6 so I better think about dinner soon...lol Barb: oh yikes. Barb: and I have to go pay my rent before the office closes. Cynthia: good idea...cover it with cloth and tatting... Barb: Ok will see you later. Barb: bye Cynthia: bye see you tonight Barb: ttyl Cynthia: Peace and hugs Barb: peace to you too and hugs.. Yikes I only have 15 minutes before she closes the office. LOL Barb: bye Cynthia: run don't speed... Jon from x.x.x.156 joined the chat 3 hours ago Jon from x.x.x.156 left the chat 3 hours ago tina from x.x.x.222 joined the chat 2 hours ago tina: hello tina from x.x.x.222 joined the chat 114 minutes ago Beadweaver from x.x.x.74 joined the chat 111 minutes ago Beadweaver: Hello Wally from x.x.x.221 joined the chat 109 minutes ago AKTATTER from x.x.x.207 joined the chat 108 minutes ago AKTATTER: hello all Beadweaver: hi tina: hello Wally: hi! AKTATTER: Nov. 2, 2009 needle tatting session evening AKTATTER: are there any needle tatting questions to start off tonight? Beadweaver: I am so new, it's not funny Wally: nop. I started again reviewing my needle tatting AKTATTER: LOL THAT'S OK BEAD WE ALL WERE NEW ONCE AKTATTER: TINA ARE YOU NEW ALSO? tina: sure am tina: i just started needle tatting about a month ago, shuttles last week LOL AKTATTER: OK THAT IS FINE, CAN YOU BOTH MAKE A RING AND A CHAIN IN NEEDLE TATTING? Beadweaver: I sat in for the second part earlier today, missed the first Wally: that;s cool Tina tina: yes i can, I actually made a few things with needle tatting and posted the pics in the groups photos AKTATTER: EVERYTHING REPEATS DON'T WORRY ABOUT MISSING ANYTHING Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: OK GREAT TINA DO YOU HAVEA LINK TOTHE PHOTOS? AKTATTER: HOW ABOUT YOU BEAD CAN YOU RING AND CHAIN YET? Beadweaver: No, I have been copying lost of instructions though tina: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newshuttlesandneedles/photos/album/1786341041/pic/list AKTATTER: OK THEN LET'S REVEIW THE BASIC TECHNIQUE BEAD Beadweaver: ok AKTATTER: DO YOU HAVE A NEEDLE AND THREAD? tina: yes Beadweaver: I have a plastic needlw with an eye it's about 4" long AKTATTER: THAT IS FINE ARE YOU RIGHT HANDED? Wally: I need to buy needles. Mine desapeared all! May be run away because I was not using them. lol Beadweaver: yes AKTATTER: there is a set with 4 needles for the price of 3 on sale Wally Beadweaver: I orderd some from you I think AKTATTER: ok bead cut one yard or thread and pull 1/3 of it through the eye of the needle Wally: from you? AKTATTER: I'm seeing the heart now tina AKTATTER: yes Wally: cool! Let me know after the class. I need a set Beadweaver: from AK, Wally Beadweaver: got it AKTATTER: sure wally any time AKTATTER: great work tina, do you want a critique here or in email? tina: its a little wonky because I have not blocked it yet - but not too bad for my first shot AKTATTER: put the needle in your right hand bead tina: here is okay Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: go to the loose tail fo the thread and bring the end of it to the middle of the needle AKTATTER: pause bead AKTATTER: tina you have method down well and construction understanding is good too AKTATTER: you need to work on regularlity in picots, makin them the same size AKTATTER: and in tension AKTATTER: esp on the chains AKTATTER: please remember that it is so important to match the size fo the thread to the size of the needle AKTATTER: you are off to a great start in tatting Beadweaver: way to go tina tina: yeah, i want to get the picot gauges - thank you for the input - it helps to see it from others eyes AKTATTER: oko bead now tina: ty bead erin in tenn. from x.x.x.100 joined the chat 95 minutes ago erin in tenn.: Helllooooooo! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/needletattingbasics.html bte that is the beginning how to page tina: hello erin Wally: hi erin! AKTATTER: welcome erin erin in tenn.: Did everyone have a lovely Halloween? Beadweaver: there AKTATTER: put the end of the thread under the the thumb of the right hand and hold the tail i nthe middle of the needle Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: now put your left hand in the loop of the thread and wrap the thread around the needle like this AKTATTER: bring the loop toward you first and around the base of the thumb AKTATTER: put the point of the needle at the base of the thumb and move upward AKTATTER: catching the thread on the needle AKTATTER: gently pull out the slack Wally: i don't celebrate halloween but has a nice day wuth my mom and sis. Saw the kids at the shopping mall asking for candies. lol Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: and keeping pulling as the half stitch moves to the middle of the needle AKTATTER: then use the thumb to hold it in place Beadweaver: k AKTATTER: next put your hand inthe loop again erin in tenn.: Wally, I don't really either! AKTATTER: and wrap the thread around the base of the thumg going far away from you first AKTATTER: then put the point of the needle on teh far side of the thumb and Beadweaver: my hand is still there,lol AKTATTER: moving fromt he base upward pick up the thread Wally: is cold already in TN? AKTATTER: now pull the slack out and continue to pull AKTATTER: whilt the half stich moves to the middle of the needle AKTATTER: what you shoudl see is one full double stitch AKTATTER: which looks like the first diagram on this page http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/rhtech.html#rr erin in tenn.: Not really - this morning it was 41 degrees F., and this afternoon about 65. Clear and sunny. Beadweaver: it just looks wrapped around twice AKTATTER: ok barab go to this page and read 1 - 8 for me AKTATTER: tina have you learned the split ring yet? Beadweaver: I am going to go take a look at the diagrams.... tina: on the needle yes AKTATTER: ok tina then this is a test for you AKTATTER: you are tatting a row of split rings AKTATTER: the pattern is Split Ring 6 / 6 clr repeat AKTATTER: you come to the end of the row and you want to turn a corner at a 90 degree angle AKTATTER: how do you do that on the needle? AKTATTER: after you see those photos bead please look at this little movie AKTATTER: http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/ndl_knot.html tina: i dont know - i just know how to make them lol AKTATTER: Tammy use the left ring finger but you can use the thumb for learning AKTATTER: ok to turn a corner tina you make a split ring that is off center AKTATTER: to turn left Spit Ring 3 / 9 AKTATTER: to turn right split ring 9 / 3 AKTATTER: try it out Beadweaver: I think I better look at the movie tina: ah, that makes sense AKTATTER: ok bead AKTATTER: how is erin doing? AKTATTER: this page is one of the best instructions bead: http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/index.shtml Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 84 minutes ago AKTATTER: welcome cynthia Cynthia: Hi everyone... tina: hello erin in tenn.: Great! Georgia, I just wanted to tell you that Raymond was THRILLED. AKTATTER: oh ho! AKTATTER: we were all waiting to hear lol erin in tenn.: He received Richie's package. Now it's on the mantle - he's started what looks like the George Shrine. AKTATTER: Big George moved intothe stone house last night first night there AKTATTER: rofl erin in tenn.: I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate the hat into the nativity scene. AKTATTER: BEAD TINA, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MY LITTLE BROTHER GEORGE SPEARS WHO WAS FEATURED ON ICE ROAD TRUCKERS IN ALASKA ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL LAST YEAR erin in tenn.: If I turn it up on its side, perhaps it can pose as an addition to the creche tina: oh wow that is so cool - I watch that show sometimes Sherong from x.x.x.64 joined the chat 81 minutes ago erin in tenn.: You know - sort of like Mary and Joseph added a bathroom. AKTATTER: WELCOME SHERON AKTATTER: NOW BEAD YO'VE GONE QUIET ON ME SO YOU MUST BE STUDYING erin in tenn.: Is George a happy camper? AKTATTER: JUST EMAIL ME WHEN YOU HAVE TIME AND WE WILL WORK SOME MOR Beadweaver: awesome! AKTATTER: AND DON'T FORGET THE BEGINNERS LESSONS ON THURSDAYS WITH CYNTHIA AND THE GANG Wally: hi cynthia and sheron Beadweaver: ok, ya I will have to keep at it. Not sure what I'm doing wrong AKTATTER: IS HE HAPPY? HE CARRIES A STACK OF ICE ROAD TRUCKER PHOTOS EVERYWHERE HIM AND IS STILL DOIGN AUTOGRAPHS AKTATTER: STUDY THE LUGGAGE TAG PHOTO BEAD, SEE THE TWO HALF STITSCHES ARE OPPOSITES erin in tenn.: Heehee! And I bet those high school girlfriends are still coming out of the woodwork. AKTATTER: THATS THE CLUE Sherong: Hi all erin in tenn.: Sheron! Wally: sheron is palmetto selling the cd pattern yet? Sherong: Yes, it's on the site AKTATTER: HE GOT A LETTER FROM ARKANSAS, YOU REMEMBER THE LADY WHO PROPOSED TO HIM ? SHJE IS STIL INTERESTED :) AKTATTER: OK OPEN CHAT 8 MOPRE MINUTES BEFORE THE REGULAR SESSION BEGINS Cynthia: Bead we can work on it too in class on Thursday.... erin in tenn.: Oh, hubba! Beadweaver: k erin in tenn.: Poor George! AKTATTER: HA HA HE EASTS IT UP! AKTATTER: EATS erin in tenn.: That's funny. How's the weather been your way? AKTATTER: TERRIBLE RAIN FOLLOWD BY 2 DAYS GLORIOUS SUNSHINE JUST STARTED GETTING THE BEANS CUT gail from x.x.x.199 joined the chat 76 minutes ago gail: Evening all Cynthia: It will stay dry for a bit for you, Georgia at leas that what weather.com says.... Cynthia: Hi gail Wally: hi gail AKTATTER: WELCOME GAIL tina: hello Gail AKTATTER: SO GLAD TO HEAR IT WE NEED A FULL WEEK TO GET THE CROPS IN Cynthia: brb erin in tenn.: It finally dried out down here. tina: be back in a min erin in tenn.: They're supposed to put the windows in Thursday (finally) - snicker! AKTATTER: OK AKTATTER: OPEN CHAT CONTINUES 3 MORE MIN gail: We're supposed to see sunshine this week erin in tenn.: Woohoo! AKTATTER: AT LAST!! THAT WILL KEEP THE CHILL OUT THIS WINTER THEN erin in tenn.: Let's just say I'll be glad to not dine "al fresco" . AKTATTER: LOL erin in tenn.: And maybe Raymond will wear his little mask less. ;-) Cynthia: LOL Paule from x.x.x.147 joined the chat 72 minutes ago erin in tenn.: I can't believe you actually got me to look at a needle tatting video. erin in tenn.: I thought of it when "Children of the Corn" was on TV the other day. Paule: Allo evryone AKTATTER: LOL WELL IT DOESN'T HURT TO STUDY NEW THINGS ERIN AKTATTER: BIENVENUE PAULE erin in tenn.: That's true. Hello Paule! Cynthia: Hi Paule welcome AKTATTER: OK NOW THAT PAULE'S HERE LET GET STARTED Paule: bonsoir AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN gail: Gail Hayes, llawen1@yahoo.com, Maylene, AL AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA AKTATTER: NOV. 2, 2009 REGULAR CLASS EVENING SESSION Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo.com Sherong: Sheron Goldin, sherongb@yahoo.com, Columbia, SC Paule: Paule Primeau Boucherville Quebec Canada toujoursvivante@videotron.ca Wally: Wally Sosa needledreams@yahoo.com pr Paule: Hey Waally! erin in tenn.: erin holloway, knoxville, TN, tataconic@bellsouth.net AKTATTER: TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PARTS OF A TATTING PATTERN Paule: Wally! AKTATTER: Appearing in the Nov/Dec 2009 issue of PIECEWORK are two vintage patterns written up by Jane Moody. There are no photos. This will be an exercise is reading through a pattern, rewriting vintage directions in modern tatting notation and perhaps diagramming the pattern too Sandy from x.x.x.19 joined the chat 69 minutes ago Wally: Paule! Alo! Sandy: Hello Everyone Winkerbill from x.x.x.194 joined the chat 68 minutes ago AKTATTER: WELCOME SANDY PLEASE SIGN IN Wally: Eek! Will have to fill my shuttles tonight to do homework erin in tenn.: Hi, Sandy and Winky! AKTATTER: ONE OF THE PATTERNS HAD A NAME CHANGE TODAY Wally: Hi steph Sandy: Sandy Cofer Bremerton,WA dscofer2@comcast.net Winkerbill: hi, sorry I'm late. Winkerbill: hi everyone AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework1FHarris.pdf Winkerbill: Stephanie W. in western North Carolina USA erin in tenn.: I was soooooo wanting to do these today at work. AKTATTER: FIRST LINK MUIST HAVE BEEN TOO LONG I GUESS AKTATTER: NEVER TOO LATE STEPH PULL UP A CHAIR tina: Tina W. Palm Coast, Florida, USA pcgirl65@yahoo.com AKTATTER: LET'S LOOK AT THIS PAGE FIRST PLEASE Please review http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/design.html Wally: . AKTATTER: IF YOU CLICK THE LINKS THEY WILL OPEN IN A NEW WINDOW SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM AKTATTER: 1. Make a ring of 12 double stitches evenly divided by three picots. 2. Make a ring of 3 double stitches, picot, 3 double stitches, picot, 3 double stitches, picot, 3 double stitches. 3. Make ring: 3 double stitches, picot (3x), 3 double stitches. 4. Make ring 3 DS p 3 DS p 3 DS p 3 DS. 5. R 3 - 3 - 3 - 3. AKTATTER: NOW WHICH OF THOSE 5 DIRECTIONS ARE WRITTEN CORRECTLY? Cynthia: sneaky hehehe AKTATTER: LOL OK ALL OF THEM ARE CORRECT Wally: all of them AKTATTER: BUT WHAT A DIFFERENCE THERE IS IN THEM Wally: the notation method AKTATTER: THE FIRST FOUR CAN BE SUMMED UP IN THE 5TH ONE SO EASILY erin in tenn.: A lot of confusion. AKTATTER: BUT THESE ARE THE TYPES OF DIRECTIONS YOU CAN EXPECT TO FIND [PARTICULARLY gail: k AKTATTER: IN VINTAGE PATTERNS LIKE THESE Sherong: Explicit vs generalization Wally: is the originals patterns online? AKTATTER: THESE ARE THE MOST COMMON ABBREVIATIONS AKTATTER: R = Ring CH = Chain P, or p, or - = picot J, or = to join with a v below it = shuttle join RW = reverse work; meaning to turn the work over from top to bottom in the vertical plane TW = turn work; meaning to turn the work from right to left in the horizontal plane as if turning the page of a book DS = double stitch HS = half stitch 1HS = first half stitch 2HS = second half stitch Wally: sorry for my choppy english! Are... Sherong: Ablility to follow without knowing the language they are written in AKTATTER: I DON'T KNOW i NEED TO SEARCH IF THE ORIGINALS ARE POSTED ANYWHRER AKTATTER from x.x.x.207 joined the chat 63 minutes ago AKTATTER: Numbers before DS, i.e., 3 DS = indicates the number of repetitions to be worked CTM = continuous thread method; meaning to wind two shuttles with out a knot between them; i.e., wind first shuttle then roll enough thread off the ball to wind second shuttle from opposite direction CL, or cl, close = close the ring JR, or JK = Josephine Knot or ring; meaning a small ring made of either half stitch repeated to form a twist in the ring. SH1 = shuttle one; SH2 = shuttle two etc. ss = switch shuttles Split ring= 5 / 5 with the "/" mark indicating the two parts of a split ring set stitch = 4 . 4 with the "." indicating the number of repetitions of each half stitch ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue Nov 3 02:52:13 2009 GMT (179 KB) Page 4 of 4 - Char 153876 to 184066 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ erin in tenn.: Wally, they're not in antiquepatternlibrary.org AKTATTER: SO PATTERNS WRITTEN OUT CAN BE HARD TO FOLLOW Wally: :-( I was going to look there now AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT THIS PAGE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/onion/pat1pg7.html AKTATTER: HERE IS THE ANTIQUE PHOTO A NEW MODEL A DIAGRAM OF THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION AND A DIAGRAM NUMBERED WITH THE DS COUNT erin in tenn.: Short and sweet! AKTATTER: EVEN A QUICK COMPARISON WITH PHOTO OF LACE AND NUMBERRED DIAGRAM AKTATTER: MAKES THE PATTERN VERY CLEAR I THINK AKTATTER: THE INNER RING IS R 9 - 9 AKTATTER: THE OUTER RING HAD 5 DS BETWEEN EACH PICOT OR JOIN AKTATTER: COMPARE THAT DIAGRAM TO THIS ONE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/sixd.jpg gail: k AKTATTER: NOTE THE SMALLER RINGS HAVE JUST ONE NUMBERINSIDE THEM AKTATTER: THAT MEANS THERE IS JUST 2 DS BETWEEN EACH PICOT OR JOIN AKTATTER: EASY TO FOLLOW WHEN THE RINGS ARE ALL THE SAME SIZE AKTATTER: BOT THE LARGER RING IS NOT ALL THE SAME gail: It is very easy to read. AKTATTER: R 5 3 - 3 5 AKTATTER: WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT THE LINES IN THE CENTER OF THE DIAGRAM? AKTATTER: RIGHT GAIL IT IS AKTATTER: THEY ARE BROKEN LINES NOT SOLID LIKE THE 10 DS CHAIN INDICATED ON THE OUTER EDGE AKTATTER: THAT MEANS IT IS BARE SHUTTLE THREAD NOT A CHAIN AKTATTER: A SUBTLE NOTE BUT IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO THE CONSTRUCITON AKTATTER: NOW COMPARE OF ALL THIS TO http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/meloni/ambow.html AKTATTER: THIS IS WHAT IT OFTENS COMES DOWN TO IN TATTING AKTATTER: YOU HAVE AN IDEA, AN OUTLINE AKTATTER: AND YO HAVE 2 CHOICES AKTATTER: USE THE OUTLINE AS A BOUNDARY AND COMPLETELYU FILL THE HOLE WITH TATTING AKTATTER: AS IN THIS BOW AKTATTER: OR USE THE OUTLINE AS THE FOUNDATION AND TAT AROUND IT AKTATTER: LEAVING THE SHAPE OF THE HOLE AS NEGATIVE SPACE Paule: Veeerrryyyy interesting... Wally: I can't imagine how to work with a fabric attached like that to my tatting! AKTATTER: THE FABRIC IS JUST LIKE A HANKY IT FOLDS BACK SO YOU CAN JOIN TO THE OUTLINE PACE AKTATTER: LACE erin in tenn.: That's how Sherry did the tablecover with all the motifs in it. Winkerbill: i tried attaching tatting to a hanky as I tatted.....did it ONCE. I don't like the extra bulk/weight in my hand while I"m tatting, so I guess I'd be a ....what was it Beethoven? erin in tenn.: The one with all the mignonette stitch? gail: k AKTATTER: RIGHT BEETHOVEN FOR YOU AKTATTER: DOES ANYONE KNOW AN EXAMPLE OF GOOD NEGATIVE SPACE IN TATTING? Wally: i just finished a hanky and don't like either the extra on my hands. erin in tenn.: One of the Jan Stawasz collars - erin in tenn.: The one Terry McGuffin tatted. Sandy: Picture frame? Paule: Yes there was a doily in Anna or Burda a while back Paule: be right back with more info erin in tenn.: Photo 3 - http://www.frywolitka.slupsk.pl/index_en.php?id=_collars Jon from x.x.x.45 joined the chat 51 minutes ago Winkerbill: hi Jon! erin in tenn.: Hello, Jon! AKTATTER: JON WELCOME SO GLAD YOU CAME BACK WE HAD A TIME CHANGE HERE THAT MUST AFFECT WHEN YOU COME TO CLASS ALSO Wally: I'm always confuse with negative space. that is the space left in "blank" between the elements? Wally: Salam Jon! Sandy: Hello gail: Wow I am humble Jon: Hi Steph, Erin. wasn't sure if I got the time correct. AKTATTER: OH YES ERIN THAT IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE Jon: Salam Wally, hope you are feeling better. AKTATTER: SEE WALLY HOW THE EMPTY SPACE IN TEH COLLAR LOOKS LIKE A HEART? Cynthia: neat... Paule from x.x.x.147 joined the chat 49 minutes ago Paule: Burda doily 1979 AKTATTER: DID YOU FIND IT PAULE? Wally: ah, yes, i see the heaert Paule: I remember Sharon Briggs had an original copy AKTATTER: IT IS A WONDERFULLY USEFUL TECHNIQUE Wally: . erin in tenn.: Photo #53 is good example of negative space being defined by holes and by color as well. Paule: try http://klk.pp.ru/frivolite/salfetki/019.jpg erin in tenn.: http://www.frywolitka.slupsk.pl/index_en.php?id=_tableclothes Paule: but I don't garantee Winkerbill: Jon, I have become addicted to your daisy picot snowflake. I cannot stop tatting it. There are now 6 of them sitting on my table. AKTATTER: SO REMEMBER THE HOLE IS AS IMPORTANT AS THE "WHOLE" Paule: It works! Paule: That is one doily with a lot of BIG holes! Oups! Negative space AKTATTER: YES IT IS Wally: I made that #53, well only 2 whirls. i got dizzy from it. lol Jon: :) Steph Wally: I have seen that doily Paule AKTATTER: OK KEEPING ALL OF THIS IN MIND LET US LOOK AT THE FIRSRT VINTAGE PATTERN AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework1FHarris.pdf Paule: Isn't it gorgeous? AKTATTER: PLEASE GET A PENCIL AND A PIECE OF PAPER Winkerbill: ....sigh....i hate to do it, but I have to leave. Night everyone. Winkerbill from x.x.x.194 left the chat 44 minutes ago AKTATTER: NIGHTERS STEPH gail: k AKTATTER: NOW READ THE FIRST LINE AKTATTER: PLEASE DRAW WHAT YOU THINK IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER 4 RINGS AND 4 CHAINS AKTATTER: DOES ANYONE SEE A PROBLEM TO START WITH? AKTATTER: DID YOU ALLFALL ASLEEP? Wally: still trying to mentally draw AKTATTER: OK FIRST IF YOU ARE A NEW TATTER gail: nope, thinking Paule: We were drawing... erin in tenn.: Well, you've got all these doofus rings and chains that aren't connected to each other or anything else. Sherong: ? join following rings to first ring? Cynthia: I draw slow as I'm thing of a different way than I did earlier... AKTATTER: YOU WILL ASK YOURSELF, DO THESE DOOFUS RINGS JOIN TO EACH OTHER ORNOT? erin in tenn.: That's Martha Ess's technical term by the way. AKTATTER: IT DOESN'T SAY Jon: I see four rings, not joined to each other, connected with chains in between. Paule: They don't Wally: i was going to ask that now AKTATTER: AND DO YOU REVERSE WORK AFTER EACH RING AND CHAIN? AKTATTER: SOME RW ARE GIVEN BUT NOT ALL? Sandy: Joins? Wally: because i noticed that the next chain does joins to the 1st chain AKTATTER: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO JON AKTATTER: OK THEN LOOK AT THE SECOND LINE erin in tenn.: Then you've got that nebulous "3 3 " referring to adjacent picots and who knows? AKTATTER: R 4 3 - 3 - 4 AKTATTER: JOIN TO WHAT? erin in tenn.: The plus signs aren't showing up for some weird reason. AKTATTER: THEN YOU NOTICE THE BRACKETS Wally: they never show here AKTATTER: THAT MEANS REPEAT WHAT EVER IS BETWEEN BRACKETSW Wally: that happens to me in my class Sherong: And if you repeat it 4 times you end up with 5 rings and 5 chains for the first row AKTATTER: AND THEN THERE ARE THE ARTERISKS * Cynthia: they never do in chatzy... the plus signs... erin in tenn.: test \ AKTATTER: REPEAT BETWEEN THEM AS WELL FOR THE NUMBER OF TIMES GIVEN AKTATTER: THEY NEVER SHOW INTHE CHATZY ROOM YOU MUST TYPE PLUS MINUE ETC Jon: I am confused and lost, :{ Wally: me too Sherong: Should be work not repeat. AKTATTER: SO I THINK BY NOW WE ARE ALL CONFUSED AND FRUSTRATED Paule: I'm confused too... Sherong: Repeat means to work once then repeat = two AKTATTER: NOW HOW EASY WAS IT WHEN WE SAW THE PHOTO AND THE DIAGRAMS? gail: What is the"SS@"? AKTATTER: WE CAN APPRECIATE HOW MUCH THEY HELP NOW erin in tenn.: Switch shuttles. Paule: Very easy AKTATTER: SS = SWTICH SHUTTLES AKTATTER: TO SEE THE FULL PATERNS AND ORNAMENTS YOU WILL NEED TO GET THE PIECEWORK NOV DEC 09 ISSUE AKTATTER: http://www.interweave.com/needle/piecework_magazine/ AKTATTER: BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE SNEAK PEEK gail: thanks erin in tenn.: Thank Jane, too! AKTATTER: http://www.creativehomeartsclub.com/uploadedImages/From_the_Magazine/Articles/Contests/Ornament_Contest_Winners_2009/Moody.jpg AKTATTER: YSE MANY THANKS TO JANE INDEED erin in tenn.: Oh, that's lovely! And Pink! AKTATTER: DO I HEAR A LOT OF OHS OR AHS OR OF COURSE! IN THE BACKGROUND Wally: Ah!!!! Now I see!!! erin in tenn.: Ooooooh! Ahhhhhh! AKTATTER: NOW WE CAN SEE THAT TEH PATTERN BEGINS WITH A CIRCLE THAT DOES NOT CLOSE erin in tenn.: And I see where that SS comes in. AKTATTER: IT JUST KEEPS GOING Paule: Good heavens! Sandy: Very pretty Paule: Now we see! AKTATTER: SO THE FIRST RING HAS ONE PICOT TO WHICH ALL RINGS ARE JOINED AKTATTER: THEN YOU EXIT THE CENTER PIECE gail: the light dawns. Cynthia: ah ha now it makes more sense than earlier... AKTATTER: WITH A SHORT CHAIN RING CHORT CHAIN AKTATTER: THIS PHOTO DOES NOT EXACTLY MATCH THE PATTERN BUT IT IS VERY CLOSE AKTATTER: YOU WORK YOUR WAY AROUND FROM ONE "WHEEL" OR CENTER TO THE NEXT erin in tenn.: That's very cool. Wally: so the first ring should be 4-3---3-4 and the attach the next rings to this long picot? AKTATTER: FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT NOW? AKTATTER: THIS PHOTOS ACTUALLY MATCHES THE OTHER PATTERN BETTER Paule: yes gail: Makes sense when you see it AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/janemoodypiecework_Adeline_Cordet.pdf AKTATTER: OK ONE LAST PATTERN TO LOOK AT Cynthia: I agree that it works better with the Cordet pattern AKTATTER: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatpatterns/pumpkin.pdf Wally: i'm still lost on the 1st pattern... Cynthia: that is an awesome pattern... erin in tenn.: Mark is a rock star. Cynthia: where are you lost , Wally? Jon: Ahh .. Mark's pumpkin AKTATTER: TATMAN JUST POSTED THIS Wally: the rings are joined or not? Sandy: Love it! erin in tenn.: Yes, Wally. erin in tenn.: It starts with the ornament's rosettes. Wally: on the middle p or side p? erin in tenn.: First to the side, then all join to the middle. erin in tenn.: http://www.creativehomeartsclub.com/uploadedImages/From_the_Magazine/Articles/Contests/Ornament_Contest_Winners_2009/Moody.jpg erin in tenn.: The part around the middle is what the pattern refers to. AKTATTER: i'LL NEVER FEEL CERATIN NOW UNTIL I SEE THEORIGINAL PHOTO OR JANE MOODY RECREATION IN PEICEWORK! erin in tenn.: I like the way she calls the tops and bottoms "stoppers". gail from x.x.x.199 joined the chat 26 minutes ago Jon: 'CERATIN' ? AK? Wally: ah, but that is the adeline pattern. but the harris pattern, is there a photo? AKTATTER: I WILL NEVER BE SURE JON CERTAIN Paule: Ithought this was the harris pattern... Cynthia: CERTAIN sure AKTATTER: NOPE Paule: Whew!... Cynthia: the more modern notation and pictures and diagrams all help... Wally: my head is hurting! lol Paule: Mine too! AKTATTER: I WONDER IF THE ADELINE CORDET #5 IS POSTED? Paule: Babel tower Cynthia: it is confusing....that's partly why we need to standardize the notations...lol Cynthia: I hope it is too... Jon: Yes we do! Now the 'how to do it' AKTATTER: well i am working with others o nthe ioli tatting proficiency journal which includes tryhing to standardize the tatting notation starting Cynthia: I've got to go :( but I don't want Jan walking home in the dark and she just called AKTATTER: with the list from palmettos tat guild Cynthia: Good night and peace Jon: G'nite Cynthia. AKTATTER: nighters cyn erin in tenn.: I'm trying to find it. . . Wally: in Spanish we have had a beter luck standarizing the terms Jon: How did you do it, Wally? Wally: most of the terms I translate them. lol gail: k erin in tenn.: Here are pictures. We can guess which #5 is. http://www.creativehomeartsclub.com/uploadedImages/From_the_Magazine/Articles/Contests/Ornament_Contest_Winners_2009/Moody.jpg erin in tenn.: Well, duh. Wrong link. AKTATTER: oops Wally: at least for the "modern" techniques a couple of us come with the names erin in tenn.: http://www.ivarose.com/inc/sdetail/2317 Wally: the ring, chain and picots has a few names according to the different countries but that's all erin in tenn.: Scroll down the page. AKTATTER: eureka http://www.karensvariety.com/CopyPatternBooks/Collections/Tatting/Tables/Cordet5.htm Jon: Confusing to translate to Malay, The equivalent word for Ring in Malay starts with letter C, ant for chain starts with letter R, Paule: Now now please tell me... which opne? Paule: one erin in tenn.: Just found that one! Drat! Wally: ah, but that's for the adeline. Still looking for the other pattern. please. AKTATTER: it has to be somehwere for free though Wally: some of those adeline patterns are repeated in ann orr and priscilla Wally: i recognize some of them\ AKTATTER: many patterns show up in more thatn one book thatis ceratin also Sandy from x.x.x.19 joined the chat 11 minutes ago erin in tenn.: That is true. Sandy: Thanks for the lesson. I feel better now that I couldn't decipher the pattern! Night all. AKTATTER: night sandy AKTATTER: found it erin in tenn.: Where. Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 7 minutes ago AKTATTER: http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Paule: You are a wonder G. AKTATTER: http://www.antiquepatternlibrary.org/ AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: click on catalog AKTATTER: the list is alphabetical by author then title Cynthia from x.x.x.14 joined the chat 6 minutes ago AKTATTER: scroll down to cordet, adeline AKTATTER: it is a huge file right click and save prob best Cynthia: I'm back thought you'd all be gone.... Barb from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 5 minutes ago erin in tenn.: Ah - I was looking for the Clark's book. Wally: me too AKTATTER: haven't found it yet AKTATTER: tyrein to fins a free copy of the books erin in tenn.: For some reason I can't get the antiquepatternlibrary site to load here. erin in tenn.: gaaaaaaaaaaa. erin in tenn.: That's us! All about free! Wally: they are crochet books. not bad, but not tatting Paule: Erin are you all right? AKTATTER: traffic jam perhaps AKTATTER: ok that;s it for me to night AKTATTER: many thanks for stopping by AKTATTER: and thansk to everyone who helps out Paule: Very interesting lesson G` Cynthia: definately...thanks everyone AKTATTER: remeber beginners class on thursdays and spanish class with wally AKTATTER: the log will be posted shortly AKTATTER: night all AKTATTER from x.x.x.207 left the chat 96 seconds ago Cynthia: thanks AK Jon: I have something to say, is that alright with you AK. Wally: night g Paule: good night everyone Cynthia: what Jon I want to know.... erin in tenn.: goodnight, Paule! Wally: Jon, I was going to ask if you have our books on PDF Sherong: Go ahead Jon, She's gone Paule: me too Paule: not gone yet Jon: This is off topi Cynthia, just an announcement. Sherong: AK is gone erin in tenn.: But we're here! Cynthia: that's ok... Paule: suspended to your lips Jon: I will be away for about two months. Will not be contactable - no internet. ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com