The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue May 19 02:02:55 2009 GMT (177 KB) Page 1 of 4 - Char 1 to 51210 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER from x.x.x.9 cleared the room 7 hours ago Marie Smith: Hi Melanie, Anne, Georgia picotsnkeys: Hi Marie AKTATTER: so glda to see you all here picotsnkeys: Hi Georgia tatting from x.x.x.164 left the chat 7 hours ago Marie Smith: You said come early and stay late AKTATTER: do we have needle tatting questions today? AKTATTER: you got it Marie, the regular class is a doosie nicocoer: *Is a newbie* Dantatter from x.x.x.114 joined the chat 7 hours ago picotsnkeys: I asked about needle size versus thread size. Better to err on the thinner needle size? Dantatter: Hello all AnneB: Hi Dantatter - lenge siden sist! AKTATTER: as close a match as is possible AKTATTER: Suzanne welcome! Marie Smith: Hello nicocoer and Dantatter Rosebud from x.x.x.219 joined the chat 7 hours ago Dantatter: Hej Anne :-) AKTATTER: if the outer thread is fatter than the needle RuthPerry from x.x.x.164 joined the chat 7 hours ago picotsnkeys: Thanks Georgia Rosebud: Brenda from Forest City , N.C. AKTATTER: try using a double carrying cord RuthPerry: Hello there. I made it! Marie Smith: Ah, Rosebud, one of my favorite words! Marie Smith: Hi Ruth AKTATTER: if the outer thread is thinner than the inner thread, the problems are much greater AKTATTER: hi Ruth good to see you here RuthPerry: Hi Marie & Georgia! Dantatter: Thanks, good to be here Marie Smith: Ah, Breand, Stephanie is in Hickory. I live in Anderson SC Marie Smith: I mean Brenda Rosebud: I have sister-in-Law in Anderson AKTATTER: is anyone needing tutorial on basic needle tatting today? Marie Smith: Who is she? Does she tat? AKTATTER: or on split ring split chain? AnneB: Not me Marie Smith: not me picotsnkeys: How about Nico? AKTATTER: is anyone ready to try out the graduation from basic needle tatting doily? AKTATTER: Nico where are you in your studies? Rosebud: Kim Dorius and she works at school system nicocoer: I do but I've misplaced my needle Marie Smith: Which school? My daughter-in-law is a teacher at Westside Hi AKTATTER: are you a beginner? Nico nicocoer: yep. AKTATTER: have you learned to wrap the double stitch on the needle yet? nicocoer: I can make rings but not any further Rosebud: Works in office at County office but does not tat AKTATTER: rings that is great! nicocoer: (I keep sleeping through sessions) AKTATTER: so you are ready to learn the chain Dantatter: lol AKTATTER: where are you Nico? nicocoer: I'm in PA, but my schedule is more of a 3rd shifters schedule RuthPerry: BRB I have to go let my doggies in AKTATTER: ah been there done that AKTATTER: ok nic look at this page: AKTATTER: http://www.frontiernet.net/~tammyrodgers/ AKTATTER: just click ont he link it opens a new window nicocoer: okay picotsnkeys: k AKTATTER: now click on right or left hand chain link on the far right of the page AKTATTER: NOW BASICALLY YOU WRAP THE DS ON THE NEEDLE JSUT THE SAME AS FOR A RING AKTATTER: IT IS HOW YOU REMOVE THE DS FROM THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: THAT DETERMINES IF YOU END UP WITH A RING OR A CHAIN AKTATTER: THE FIRST DRAWING SHOWS A CHAIN WRAPPED AKTATTER: YOU SLIDE IT OFF THE NEEDLE AND IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE A WORM ON A FISHING HOOK AKTATTER: JUST DANGLING IN THE AIR AKTATTER: OK SO FAR? AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE SECOND DRAWING AKTATTER: NOW THIS IS BETTER Jane Eb from x.x.x.83 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: USING THE BALL THREAD TO WRAP THE DS AKTATTER: WELCOME jANE Jane Eb: Hi all!! AKTATTER: OH WONDERFUL TATTER OF PRIMATES AnneB: Hi Jane Marie Smith: Hey Jane! AKTATTER: USING THE BALL THREAD LETS YOU CREATE LOARGER PIECES THAN USING A CUT PIECE OF THREAD Jane Eb: Ah but you need to keep an eye on the home page of the pattern site!!! Maybe tomorrow!! Rosebud: Jane I am going to South Carolina in Sept. Look forward to meeting you and taking class. I love to look at you site AKTATTER: OHMY JANE HAS BEN TATTING AGAIN AKTATTER: SO NICO IT IS BEST TO START WITH A RING Marie Smith: Wonderful Brenda! AKTATTER: AND THEN DO THE CHAIN Jane Eb: hi Rosebud - I'll be there even if I have to walk from Cincinnati!!! AKTATTER: WHEN USING THE BALL THREAD YOU SLIP THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: THRUTHE LOOP ON YOUR HAND WHEN AKTATTER: YOU SLIDE THE DS OFF TO MAKE A RING Rosebud: You better start pretty early AKTATTER: WHEN USING THE BALL THREAD YOU SIMPLY SLIDE THE DS OFF Marie Smith: Look for me, too, Brenda AKTATTER: THE NEEDLE AND DO NOTHING ELSE AKTATTER: UNLESS RuthPerry: No point in walking from Cincinnati Jane. I'm probably going to go there, and may be giving a ride to one or two others. There is room for one more. AKTATTER: YOU WWANT TO COMPRESS THE DS BACK TO THE STARTING POINT AKTATTER: WHICH MAKES THE CHAIN CURVE MORE MJB from x.x.x.23 joined the chat 7 hours ago Dantatter from x.x.x.114 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: OK NICO THAT IS THE BASIC HOW TO ON CHAINS ANY QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: PLEASE PRACTICE AND EMAIL ME ANY P[ROBLEMS YOU MIGHT HAVE nicocoer: okay. :) AKTATTER: ANY OTHER NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS TODAY? Rosebud: no Marie Smith: no, thank you Dantatter: There is also Roger's site for needle tatting Winkerbill from x.x.x.174 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: YES http://needletatting.proboards.com/index.cgi Winkerbill: hi everyone Marie Smith: Hey, Steph! AKTATTER: OK LET'S GET STARTED! MJB: Hello everyone AKTATTER: PLEASE SIGN IN AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS USA AKTATTER@AOL.COM MJB: Mary Jane Brittingham Santa Claus., Indiana usa AKTATTER: HI MY MJ MJB: hello Marie Smith: Steph, Rosebud (Brenda) is in Forest City Winkerbill: Stephanie W...western North Carolina, USA Rosebud: Marie have not been able to go in last three year . One year we went to Alaska on dream trip. picotsnkeys: Melanie Cervi picotsnkeys @ yahoo.com in Los Gatos, CAlifornia AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsø, Norway Marie Smith: Hi Mary Jane! MJB: Hello Marie Dantatter: Susanne aka Dantatter in Aarhus, Denmark AKTATTER: MAY 18, 2009 AFTERNOON SESSION Raelara from x.x.x.53 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: THERE ARE MANY LINKS FOR TODAY PLEASE SEE BELOW RuthPerry: Ruth Perry Lebanon, Ohio rjpoms@(delete NO!!SPAM)yahoo.com Marie Smith: I want to go to Alaska, too Winkerbill: Hm...I'll have to look that up....the city sounds vaguely familiar, but I'm not sure where it is. AKTATTER: LET US BEGIN WITH RIET'S DAISY PICOT nicocoer: ssavannah "nico" logsdon, nicocoer @ gmail.com, Utica, Pa, USA Raelara: Jenni Sherriff San Lorenzo, CA raelara@gmail.com Marie Smith: Marie Smith Anderson, SC tattingwithmarie at yahoo AKTATTER: LILY MORALES CELEBRATING 25TH ANV NEXT WEEK IN BIG AK! RuthPerry: links? AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/daisypicotriet.pdf AKTATTER: POSTED ON JANE'S SITE AKTATTER: THERE IS A BASIC HOW TO OF DRAWINGS Rosebud: Georgia I saw your brother site from your email. I will look on Ma;y 31st RuthPerry: Thanks. I've been enjoying Reit's Daisy Picot book! Marie Smith: Forest City near Rutherfordton, I think AKTATTER: USING TWO SHUTTLES AKTATTER: THANKS BRENDA AND THANKS TO ALL WHO WROTE IN AKTATTER: I AM SO PROUD OF MY LITTLE BROTHER! MJB: That was neat Georgia Rosebud: Forest City is just west of Shelby AKTATTER: USING TWO SHUTTLE SH2 IS USED TO WRAP DS AKTATTER: OVER THAT PORTION OF THE RING THREAD AKTATTER: WHICH EVENTUALY FORMS THE LOOP OF THE PICOT RuthPerry: Is Riet going to be here today? Marie Smith: I saw the ice truckers video. Some scary roads!. I know you are proud of George AKTATTER: SO MJB: Jane., your drawings are always so super Paula from x.x.x.134 joined the chat 7 hours ago AKTATTER: WE HAVE DS ON A PICOT AKTATTER: i DON'T KNOW rUTH BUT i HOPE SO Winkerbill: oh, that's why it sounds familiar. Paula: Paula Crossen, Fairchild AFB, WA thecrossens@comcast.net AKTATTER: NEXT Winkerbill: When we lived in GA we went through Shelby to get to Hickory to visit our parents on holidays Winkerbill: Now we're living in NC.... AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/MOPbutton.pdf Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 7 hours ago Winkerbill: must have seen the Forest City signs on our commute....maybe? AKTATTER: THIS IS FROM JANE'S PAGE ON TATTING ON PEARL BUTTONS AKTATTER: THE 7/8" BUTTON PATTERN Cynthia: Hi sorry I'm late.... AnneB: Hi Cynthia! AKTATTER: NOTE: JANE USES A BEADED MOCK PICOT WHICH WH STUDIED IN CLASS EARLIER THIS YEAR. Paula: HI, Sorry I'm late. Cat got out and yard crew is here Rosebud: Love the button pattern thank you jane AKTATTER: BUT IT IS THE PICOT ON THE OUTER EDGE TO WHIC Marie Smith: Hey Cyn! Raelara: which button should we be looking at here? skfuller from x.x.x.34 joined the chat 7 hours ago skfuller: hi everyone Rosebud: Winkerbill, We live remarkable close RuthPerry: Hi ! Cynthia: Hi Sue Marie Smith: I have buttons waiting to be decorated! Marie Smith: Hello Sue! Rosebud: Me too Marie Smith: Hey Rae! RuthPerry: I think maybe Georgia got lost. Jenny from x.x.x.159 joined the chat 6 hours ago Raelara: hi Winkerbill: Really? We have a tatting guild that meets the 2nd Saturday of every month from 1 to 3 in the afternoon. Cynthia: Hi Ruth Marie Smith: Hey Jenny. Jenny: Hi everybody Raelara: where did G go?? RuthPerry: Hi Cynthia! Dantatter: Hello Winkerbill: So far there are only 2 of us and one has been out of town quite often, but we'd love to have you come tat with us. Marie Smith: Everyone is showing up for the class in Russian! Jane Eb from x.x.x.83 joined the chat 6 hours ago RuthPerry: She has dial up and sometimes gets disconnected. Cynthia: Hi Jane skfuller: hI mARIE AND cYNTHIA AnneB: Hi Sue and Jenny RuthPerry: Give her a few minutes skfuller: OOPS trying to eat , read, and type Rosebud: Maybe I can. Tel # 828-248-2400 Cynthia: sounds reasonable to me sue... picotsnkeys: Hi Cynthia Jane Eb: Sorry I keep going to another tab and forgetting I'm here!!! Old age, you know!!!! Must put out a search for brain cell # 3!! RuthPerry: Jane, would you like to carry on with the lesson on your buttons while we wait for Georgia? MJB: Jane., do you have to use different buttons for this? or any kind Cynthia: Looks like a good group today...lol the teacher in me....but there are lots of good teachers here today so I'll let someone else lead... Winkerbill: e-mail me for directions if you're interested in coming next month or whenever.... trompeter914 at hotmail dot com Jane Eb: Any button will do - just I was given and then found I'd got a lot of MOPs! JB from x.x.x.30 joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: have we signed in yet> Raelara: I wonder if I have some that would work Raelara: most of the buttons I have stashed away are rather small Cynthia: you do Rae I'm sure MJB: thanks RuthPerry: Yes, we signed in... go ahead and sign in if you haven't done so yet. Dantatter: Yes we signed in earlier on AnneB: Signed in quite early today Marie Smith: Hey JB Paula: . Raelara: I have a question, while we are waiting, about clunys Cynthia: I'll sing in then...Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo.com RuthPerry: Ask away MJB: are you going to sing Raelara: when you pull the loom threads -- how tight are you supposed to tighten them?? Raelara: cause I finished my homework last night and my heart is out of shape Cynthia: no but I can typo 60 a minute...lol Raelara: I think I may have pulled the clunys too tight Dantatter: lol MJB: wish I could type that fast Marie Smith: yes, too tight Cynthia: but I can typo that fast...not type,,,lol Raelara: How do you know what the right tension is? Winkerbill: the faster you can type, the faster you make mistakes, too.... :-) RuthPerry: THE THING ABOUT CLUNYS IS THAT THEY ARE REALLY A WEAVING TECHNIQUE. IF THEY LOOK OUT OF SHAPE THEN THEY PROBABLY ARE TOO TIGHT SOMEWHERE AnneB: lol Winkerbill: I'm getting REAL good at the "mistakes" part. Cynthia: goes for my tatting too! Dantatter: tension comes with practise Raelara: the clunys look fine, but the sides of my heart are pulled in Marie Smith: just until the cluny lies flat and the core thread is not showing RuthPerry: I GUESS THAT JANE IS OUT SEARCHING FOR BRAIN CELL #3, SO LETS TALK ABOUT THE CLUNYS claudia from x.x.x.96 joined the chat 6 hours ago Raelara: that is a good gauge Marie, thank you maria alcantara from x.x.x.243 joined the chat 6 hours ago Paula: k claudia: hi all girls!! Jenny: . Dantatter: Hi Claudia maria alcantara: HI Girls!!! AnneB: Guess I'll have to make a chain of clunies when I get around to do them Marie Smith: Hey Claudia! AKTATTER: hello?? Raelara: I think I will be re-doing this heart RuthPerry: HI CLAUDIA, PLEASE SIGN IN Marie Smith: Hey Maria! How's Mexico? Mary Maynard from x.x.x.30 joined the chat 6 hours ago maria alcantara: Great!!! RuthPerry: DO YOU HAVE THE LINK TO THE HOMEWORK HEART WITH CLUNYS? Marie Smith: Hey Mary! maria alcantara: maria alcantara; famalcan@prodigy.net.mx; Mexico claudia: claudia meza cloelo@gmail.com, argentina Mary Maynard: Georgia, I remembered!! Yeah! Just got home from my grandson & caring for him claudia: no Winkerbill: The one reliable thing I have learned about Clunies is if you pull the wrong thread at the end you get a knot that pretty much "defies" all attempts to loosen it. AKTATTER: way to go Mary Mary Maynard: Hi All Cynthia: Hi Mary I got the awesome thread and neat picot gauges yesterday Winkerbill: WB Georgia! AKTATTER: did yo ucarry onwithout me? ok Cynthia: Thank you! Raelara: wb Georgia! Mary Maynard: Right winkerbill claudia: hi georgia! Raelara: we were talking about clunies for a bit Cynthia: wb Georgia... AKTATTER: MAY WE RETURN TO JANE'S PICOT? Dantatter: Hey Mary picotsnkeys: k Mary Maynard: Cynthia, glad you got it Mary Maynard: have you tried the gauges Rosebud: I am looking for picot gauges. Who has them Paula: k Winkerbill: Now I mutter "leave the pink shuttle alone" the whole time to remember NOT to touch that one.... AKTATTER: :) Cynthia: Georgia has some too claudia: sorry, could you give the link to the lesson ' MJB: Georgia has picot gauges Winkerbill: Georgia has gorgeous picot gauges. Mary Maynard: Rosebud, send me you email & I will send a pattern and tell you how to cut your own Raelara: how much are Georgia's AKTATTER: we have already looked at the daisy picot by Riet Marie Smith: Remember? Steph, put a crochet hook, or something, in the loop to keep it from knotting Raelara: ?? AKTATTER: thanks for the promo! AKTATTER: http://tatting.wordpress.com/ Paula: I would like the info on the picot guages too, please DorcasAnn from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: now look AT THE PICOT ONTHE OUTER EDGE OF Raelara: which of the buttons should we be looking at? AKTATTER: JANES' 7/8" BUTTON PATTERN Winkerbill: yeah, I remember....now I need to remember NOT to pull the thread from the shuttle I did the weaving with.... :-) Mary Maynard: email me at tattnmary@bresnan.net AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/MOPbutton.pdf Rosebud: brendarosebud@gmail.com, Thank you MJB: Hello Dorcas. Winkerbill: So much to remember ....so little brain to work with.... Winkerbill: :-)\ AKTATTER: DO SEE YOU A GREAT SIMILARITY IN THEM? DorcasAnn: Hello, DH had procedure at hospital and then I had to take him to dialysis Mary Maynard: am printing the lesson for today. AKTATTER: WE HAVE DS ON PICOTS Marie Smith: Hello Dorcas AKTATTER: WE HAVE BEADS ON PICOTS AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT RUTH'S PAGES DorcasAnn: Hello, Marie AKTATTER: http://tatting.wordpress.com/ AKTATTER: THE THIRD ONE DOWN Raelara: interesting AKTATTER: A BROWN RING WITH GREEN THREAD MJB: Dorcas., is Joe okay? AKTATTER: NOW WE HAVE A PICOT ON A DOUBLE PICOT DorcasAnn: yesl MJB: good AKTATTER: PLEASE NOTE THAT RUTH OFTEN FINGERTATS AKTATTER: SO IF IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN'T DO IT maria alcantara: . AKTATTER: EITHER FINGERTAT OR PUT THE THREAD ON A BLUNT TAPESTRY NEEDLE AKTATTER: OR USE REALLY SKINNY SHUTTLES Paula: . Jenny: . picotsnkeys: . AKTATTER: THE LACE WING FLY Raelara: . Cynthia: k Mary Maynard: different way to do a double picot. must try can I print the page? AKTATTER: OFFERS MORE PICOT VARIATIONS AKTATTER: I THINK SO MARY RuthPerry: I used Marie's easy split chain method to do the outside row of stitches into the picots of the first row. RuthPerry: everyone may print my pages off. Mary Maynard: Trying AKTATTER: THAT IS A GREAT TIP TO KNOW RUTH THANKS claudia: cute your lace wing fly ruth! Winkerbill: Thanks Ruth RuthPerry: all my patterns may be used by any tatting guild to promote tatting, and all may be made to sell AKTATTER: NOW WHAT IF WE PUT BEADS THE DOUBLED PICOT Mary Maynard: Thanks Ruth AKTATTER: BUT USED AN EVEN NUMBER SO WE COULD DIVIDE THEM IN HALF Mary Maynard: pretty much my attitude too! Dantatter: Thank you AnneB: Thanks Ruth! AKTATTER: AND THEN PLACE THE GREEN DS BETWEEN THE TWO SECTIONS? Rosebud: Thank you Ruth Raelara: interesting idea AKTATTER: THANKS RUTH THAT IS SO GENEROUS FOR ALL THE TATTERS Mary Maynard: how many beads AK Jenny: Thank you Ruth AKTATTER: AN EVEN NUMBER MARY TO DIVIDE IN HALF Raelara: shouldn't matter a whole lot JB: how do you add beads to picots? AKTATTER: OR MAYBE THREE GROUPS? WITH 2 DS ADDED ONTO THE PICOT? Mary Maynard: K RuthPerry: I'd love to see what you all can do with these picots and adding beads. I'm too lazy to do beads unless I have to. Raelara: same here AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/beads/beadbasics.html AKTATTER: THERE JB IS A PAGE WITH SUGGESTIONS AKTATTER: http://tatting.wordpress.com/ Raelara: threading beads not my favorite thing in the world AnneB: Hm this green dst could be an alternative way of joining a chain to a picot, repalcing the lock join... AKTATTER: AGAIN ON RUTH'S PAGE LOOK AT THE PINK RING Norag from x.x.x.140 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: GOOD THOUGHTS ANNE Paula: . Norag: Hi everyone a little late Raelara: is this one the same idea, with half stitches between each picot? AKTATTER: THAT RING IS R 1 PICOT SPACE HS PICOT SPACE HS PICOT SPACE HS PICOT SPACE 1 CLOSE RING JB: Thanks AKTATTER: NO ANOTHER VARIATION Marie Smith: Hi Elnora and Paula Mary Maynard: I'm way behind what is HS AKTATTER: RUTH FIRST OR SECOND HALF STITCH? picotsnkeys: . AKTATTER: HALF STITCH RuthPerry: I did first half stitch Mary Maynard: thanx Winkerbill: k Raelara: cool AKTATTER: OK 1HS Raelara: that would be fun to play with RuthPerry: I think 2nd half stitch would give it a twist in the other direction Mary Maynard: AK do you want 'flies' with the poppies : ) AKTATTER: NOW THINK ABOUT THIS FORMATION, THE PINK RING AS JUST DS/HS AnneB: So this is kind of related to josephine knots? AKTATTER: SURE MARY RuthPerry: with picots AKTATTER: COULD YOU PLACE THIS FORMATION ON A PICOT AS IN THE BROWN/GREEN RING?? Cynthia: hadn't thought of that, Anne...but it sure is... Winkerbill: might be interesting to use 1st hs for the first half of the ring, then switch to 2nd hs on the 2nd half of the ring to see how it looked....mirror image twist, maybe? RuthPerry: Sure Mary Maynard: I will have to 'play' with this. AKTATTER: OK THANKS TO JANE RIET AND RUTH FOR LETTING US PROBE THEIR PICOTS Mary Maynard: glad I remembered clas today AKTATTER: NEXT RuthPerry: I like that! Mirror image. I'm a big symetry person Dantatter: Yes thank you AKTATTER: MARY MAYNARD HAS OFFERED AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD TO WORKING Winkerbill: me too... and glad I was able to be home during class time today AKTATTER: THE IOLI 2009 POPPIES AKTATTER: DID EVERYONE SEE THAT ON THE INDEX PAGE? AnneB: Yes Rosebud: yes Norag: k AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/2009index.html Dantatter: No, sorry Paula: yes picotsnkeys: k Cynthia: y AKTATTER: HIGHLIGHT THE TEXT AND PRINT IT OFF PLEASE Winkerbill: yes Mary Maynard: AK i'm about half way through the 4th poppy Jenny: yes Winkerbill: what was the deadline again? MJB: yes AKTATTER: GREAT MARY WE STILL NEED OVER 200 POPPIES Winkerbill: June something? Mary Maynard: june 1 I think Norag: yes AKTATTER: jUNE 15 Winkerbill: ok....thanks.... Mary Maynard: I GOT TWO MORE WEEKS!!!!!! Winkerbill: I was thinking June 1, too.... AnneB: I have misplaced some time and can't find it. Haven't started the poppies yet. AKTATTER: SEND TO JULIA BROCK AKTATTER: LOL AnneB: Have the tread ready though. Cynthia: 1 done and the second started...my scanner is still in the shop... Raelara: I better get some started AKTATTER: OR SEND TO ME Marie Smith: I did the 2 gold ones but forgot to put my name on the, AKTATTER: MARIA!! I GOT YOUR PACKAGE OF POPPIES THEY WERE GREAT maria alcantara: do you need more????? Paula: can a beginner make these? AKTATTER: THERE IS APHOTO OF MARIA'S AND MARIE'S AND WALLT'S POPPIES ON THE INDEX PAGE Mary Maynard: I located the orangest bal of red thread I could find in my stash AKTATTER: YOU HAVE DONE YOUR SHARE MARIA THANK YOU SO MUCH Raelara: I know you mentioned gold before AKTATTER: IF YOU CAN DO THE RING AND CHAIN PAULA Mary Maynard: and wound it into a ball & tat while Reece naps Winkerbill: I've got to find my gold thread and see what I can do. Been staying with Mom and haven't had much time to tat lately. Raelara: they have to have yellow/gold in them? Winkerbill: What size thread is everyone using? 20? 30? or does it matter? claudia: buen trabajo maria, !1 Raelara: or can you use other colors? AKTATTER: MARY WHAT WERE YOUR BASIC CHANGES TO THE PATTERN? maria alcantara: no habia mucho trabajo con Wally... Cynthia: some gold / yellow somewhere....I did the centers Winkerbill: yellow is ok, too? claudia: cierto... AKTATTER: ANY SIZE JUST STICK WITH GOLD/ORANGE/RED TONES Marie Smith: I used size 20 and gold metallic DMC and Oren Bayen Raelara: hopefully Mary Maynard: First round is easier to join if you treat it like a SCMR maria alcantara: y creo que habra mas tiempo....... AKTATTER: OR GOLD SOMEWHERE ONTHE FLOWER nicocoer: I'd like to try it. . . Mary Maynard: I am using #10 Mary Maynard: yellow centers AKTATTER: OK MARY I THINK YOUR CHANGES INVOLCED STARTING WITH A SCMR? Winkerbill: I have some gold metallic floss, thought I'd do the chains on the last round with a strand of the floss included. RuthPerry: Very pretty Paula: I will see if I can make one or two Raelara: I have yellow in 10 and 20, which are most people using? Mary Maynard: when the tail is joined to the loop, tighten it & bury ends Paula: I just have to look for the right colors of thread AKTATTER: AND YO U CHANG ESTHE POSITION OF A JOIN IN ROUND 2 Mary Maynard: THEN start round 2 in the picot of the RING NOT on the chain RuthPerry: I'll have to see if I can find some time to make a few to send in Mary Maynard: yes AK AKTATTER: ANDROUND 4 STARTED WITH A SPLIT RING AnneB: I keep printing the pattern but can't find it and need to print again. Maybe it's too early for poppies... Mary Maynard: Round THREE and FOUR AK AKTATTER: OK EVERYONE TAKE A LOOK AT MARY'S SUGGESTIONS AND SEE IF THAT SPEEDS UP THE TATTING Mary Maynard: makes it easier and NO ENDS! AKTATTER: OK 3 AND 4 Mary Maynard: ends happen ONLY at the end of the tatting Cynthia: it should... AKTATTER: WELL WE SURE HATE ENDS! maria alcantara: but if you change color....no Winkerbill: Hiding all the ends, that's the yucky part....I'd rather do it Mary's way and not have the hassle of all those ends. AKTATTER: OK NOW THAT THE INTRODUCTION IS OVER LET'S START THE MAINLESSON Norag: There are red X's in picture areas, Georgia RuthPerry: LOL! Winkerbill: I have the same problem Anne....I have printed that pattern several times but it keeps disappearing. AKTATTER: WHICH PAGE ELNORA? AKTATTER: ;0 AKTATTER: russian page of 19 patterns http://vilushka.ru/mot.html Mary Maynard: only time loser I have found is that small 1 1 ring is very difficult to open if the chains are not snugged up evenly. Mary Maynard: what is the main lesson AK AKTATTER: general Russian TATTING TERMS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/reviews/ru/nktatterms.jpg Norag: Late getting here, are you doing poppies? AKTATTER: 4 TERMS TO LEARN FOR TODAY http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/russian4terms.jpg AKTATTER: WE ARE ASKING FOR POPPIES FOR THE CONVENTION ELNORA WE STILL NEED MORE AKTATTER: NOW DOES EVERYONE HAVE TEH RUSSIAN PAGES PRINTED OR ON SCREEN? AKTATTER: THE FOUR TERMS Paula: yes Raelara: yes Winkerbill: I think I have them. MJB: I printed them Jenny: yes Dantatter: Yes AnneB: yea RuthPerry from x.x.x.164 joined the chat 6 hours ago Winkerbill: mine are all onscreen, to be saved after class. claudia: yes Mary Maynard from x.x.x.30 joined the chat 6 hours ago picotsnkeys: k ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue May 19 02:03:17 2009 GMT (177 KB) Page 2 of 4 - Char 51211 to 102456 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ JB: yes Mary Maynard: don't know how I lost this link AKTATTER: are tatting frivolite Mary Maynard: but I'm back maria alcantara: yes AKTATTER: ring chain and picot RuthPerry: me too Raelara: you lost your caps Georgia AKTATTER: for the pattern on these 19 motivs those 4 terms will get you by Rosebud: yes AKTATTER: now make a note for yourself AKTATTER: THE RUSSIAN "K' stands for R as in ring Marie Smith: Georgia you lost your caps AKTATTER: THAT RUSSIAN CHARATER THAT LOOKS LIKE A D WITH A FAT BOTTOM = CHAIN Winkerbill: any idea ..um...how they are pronounced? Winkerbill: just curious.... Mary Maynard from x.x.x.30 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: THE RUSSIAN CHARACTER THAT LOOKS LIKE A U UPSIDE DOWN = PICOT RuthPerry: . Dantatter: picot is easy, lol Paula: . AKTATTER: YOU BETTER GOOGLE THAT STEPH picotsnkeys: . Winkerbill: :-) AnneB: Yup - looks like a picot :-) Norag: k AKTATTER: SO LET'S LOOK AT THE PATTERN FOR MOTIV 18 Raelara: . AKTATTER: YOU MAY WANT TO WRITE THIS DOWN claudia from x.x.x.96 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: IGNORE THE FIRST LINE OF TEXT AKTATTER: THE UPSIDE N = AND Jenny: k RuthPerry: . AKTATTER: 1 AND 8 RING ( 6 - 4 - 6) Winkerbill: for some reason I get "404" on the page with the motives.... AKTATTER: BUT claudia: - AKTATTER: RING 8 IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERED PHOT AKTATTER: THE SECOND PICOT IS A JOIN AKTATTER: SO RING 8 (6 - 4 6) AKTATTER: SORRY STEPH COULD BE BAND WIDTH AKTATTER: NEXT LINE AKTATTER: 2 AND 9 RING (7 - 5 - 7) AND (7 5 - 7) AKTATTER: SEE THE JOIN AGAIN AKTATTER: OPPS THE JOIN SIGN ISN'T SHOWING Mary Maynard: pluses are not coming through could you use J AK AKTATTER: OK AKTATTER: RING 8 ( 6 - 4 JOIN 6) Mary Maynard: I have not tried a Russian pattern before. AKTATTER: RING 9 (7 JOIN 5 - 7) Mary Maynard: this is good AKTATTER: NEXT LINE AKTATTER: 3 AND 7 CHAIN 9 AKTATTER: NEXT LINE AKTATTER: RING 4 (7 JOIN 6 - 6) AKTATTER: RING 5 (6 JOIN 4 - 3 - 3 - 4 - 6) maria alcantara: : ) Paula: . AKTATTER: RING 6 (6 JOIN 6 - 7) Dantatter: Oh we are so clever, all of us AKTATTER: SO YOU MUST USE COMMON SENSE Dantatter: smart AKTATTER: AND THE P[HOTO OR DIAGRAM Cynthia: my daughter translated it for me...in the text somewhere on the site it refers to a Russian bobbin lace and to join as necessary.... claudia: - AKTATTER: TO SPOT THE JOINS AKTATTER: BECAUSE THEY ASSUME THAT WE KNOW WHERE TO JOIN Jenny: I have a russian book. I have been trying to work from the photos it will be so much easier now. Mary Maynard: that we can use our eyes & SEE the join AKTATTER: OK NOW LOOK AT MOTIF 13 AKTATTER: IGNORE THE FIRST LINE OF TEXT MJB: Ak I printed out the English pattern., is that the same one you are talking about Mary Maynard: I like # 16 AnneB: clunies? AKTATTER: THERE ARE THREE WORDS AND THEN THE DS COUNT Mary Maynard: Yes I see that AKTATTER: THIS IS THE RUSSIAN PAGE MARYJANE MOTIF 13 Raelara: y AKTATTER: THEMIDDLE WORD WE KNOW WHAT IS IT?? MJB: ok Norag: k Mary Maynard: picot Dantatter: rings of 8-3-8 Raelara: ring AnneB: Sorry - my vision tricked me - half closed rings AKTATTER: RIGHT! maria alcantara: ... Mary Maynard: On 13 AKTATTER: AND AFTER THE FIRST RING IT WOULD BE R 8 JOIN 3 - 8 Dantatter: are those Josephine knots AKTATTER: NOW THE NEXT LINE Mary Maynard: oh the little ones on the 'chain' AKTATTER: YES THEY ARE claudia: - Rosebud: k AKTATTER: THE NEXT TIME HAS ONLY ONE WORD WITH 2 CHARACTERS AKTATTER: AN "X" WITH AN EXTRA LINE THAT IS THE CLUE FOR JOSEPHINE RING picotsnkeys: . Raelara: split ring??? AKTATTER: AND YOU VERIFY THAT BY LOOKING AT THE LACE OR THE DIAGRAM Raelara: ah, ops AKTATTER: OK ONE MORE TRICKY PART TO LOOK AT Mary Maynard: do we close the josephine knots Paula: . AKTATTER: GO DOWN TO MOTIF 6 THE BLACK LACE WITH NO DIAGRAM AKTATTER: THEY ARE NOT COMPLETELY CLOSED MARY IT LOOKS TO ME Mary Maynard: I didn't get 6 when I printed AKTATTER: THERE ARE 19 PATTERNS MARY Mary Maynard: Thanx AK Mary Maynard: #6 AKTATTER: OK #6 AKTATTER: LINE 1 START WITH THE "K" WHICH MEANS? Mary Maynard: my print only goes to8 Dantatter: first ring of 8-8 Hope Green from x.x.x.188 joined the chat 6 hours ago MJB: ring Raelara: ring Mary Maynard: Hi HOPE AKTATTER: LOOK AT IT ONLINE MARY TO FOLLOW ALONG http://vilushka.ru/mot.html Hope Green: AK- you said 1pm... hello sorry I am late... Norag: ring Marie Smith: Hi Hope! AKTATTER: WELCOME HOPE Hope Green: Hello & hugs to all AKTATTER: RIGHT AnneB: Then a chain -floating ring - chain AKTATTER: ITIS A RING 8 - 8 claudia: hi hope AKTATTER: LINE 2 STARTS WITH THE FAT BOTTOMED D WHICH MEANS = ? Paula: ring 8 picot 8 Winkerbill: ....sigh....I need to leave, sorry....got to go back to Mom's house. If I can get the site to come up later I'll try again tomorrow or Wednesday with the class log. Paula: does the dash mean a picot? Dantatter: then a chain with a floating ring in the middle AnneB: chain Raelara: chain Winkerbill: night everyone. Winkerbill from x.x.x.174 left the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: WAIT PAULA THAT IS LINE 3 Norag: chain AKTATTER: YES CHAINS! MJB: chain AKTATTER: BYE STEPH picotsnkeys: k Paula: I know, I am slow with my note taking, sorry AKTATTER: BUT THIS SHOWS D PLUS K PLUS D OR CHAIN PLUS RING PLUS CHAIN AKTATTER: WE HAVE TO LOOK AGAIN AT THE LACE TO AKTATTER: FIND OUT THAT THIS IS A CHAIN WITH A FLOATIN RING Mary Maynard: I jiggled my cursor & all did not print Paula: This is starting to look like algebra to me, lol AKTATTER: OK MARY Mary Maynard: chain AnneB: lol AKTATTER: SO LOOK NOW AT THE DS COUNT Cynthia: k AKTATTER: THAT SHOWS A GROUP IN PARENS AKTATTER: AND A GROUP WITH PARENS INSIDE THAT FIRST GROUP Marie Smith: Chain, ring on chain, chain Dantatter: it is good they use the same numbers at least AKTATTER: MARIE YOU ARE SO RIGHT! AKTATTER: SO WE WOULD WRITE THIS Norag: k claudia: k MJB: Is that what we do. ch ring on chain., chain AKTATTER: CH 3 - 3 - 3 DO NOT RW WORK AKTATTER: R 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 CLOSE DO NOR REVERSE WORK JB: Have to head out. Very interesting lesson JB: Bye maria alcantara: .. AKTATTER: CH 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 AKTATTER: BYE JB AKTATTER: NOW REVERSE WORK claudia: bye jb picotsnkeys: k Hope Green: ... MJB: thank you AKTATTER: NOW MY FIRST CHAIN DOES NOT MATCH THE TRANSLATION PERFECTLY AKTATTER: YOU SEE THEY ARE INDICATING A PICOT BEFORE THE RING maria alcantara: 3-3-3 AKTATTER: SO WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS? Paula: . AKTATTER: HINT MP AnneB: You want it symmetric Dantatter: use the chain shuttle for the ring ? AKTATTER: THEY WANT A MOCK PICOT IN THERE AKTATTER: AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FLOATING RINGS AKTATTER: ALL THREE WOBBLE TO THE SIDE AnneB: Sorry - I'm dringking the wriong kind of tea apparently AKTATTER: BEING ON A MOCK PICOT MAKES THEM FLOP picotsnkeys: k AnneB: Close to falling asleep AKTATTER: SO YOUR CHOICE WHERE TO LEAVE TH E SPACE OR MAKE IT TIGHT AKTATTER: MOVE THE TEA CUP BEFORE YOUR HEAD DROPS! Marie Smith: I think it is a mistake because only 2 picots on 1st part Mary Maynard: Would not have thought of that AK Dantatter: roflol maria alcantara: does you have to joint them? AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE CHAINS MARIE AnneB: And my spelling is getting bad AKTATTER: THREE ON ONE SIDE TWO ON THE OTHER Marie Smith: Center ring joins AKTATTER: JOIN THE CROWD ANNE LOL Paula: . Raelara: lol AnneB: :-) AKTATTER: OK ARE WE ALL EXPERTS ON TATTING THESE RUSSIAN PATTERNS NOW? Cynthia: k Hope Green: lol Dantatter: Maybe you should have had something stronger, Anne !!! MJB: sure thing Jenny: What time is it in Norway Anne? Mary Maynard: HA HA HA You have high hopes AK picotsnkeys: k Norag: k maria alcantara: No!!!! Dantatter: Why do they want it to flop ? claudia: have to think , but more clear now AnneB: Well it is 22 o clock even though the sun is shining AKTATTER: LOL BUT NOW REALLY IT IS A LOT EASIER ISN'T IT? Mary Maynard: but I am going to work #6 befoe bed time maria alcantara: i see 3 picot in one side and 2 in the other chain AKTATTER: AH LAND OF THE MIDNIGHT SUN AKTATTER: ME TOO MARIA AKTATTER: DOES ANYONE WANT TO TRY ANOTHER PATTERN? Hope Green: ok Mary Maynard: Maybe next week? maria alcantara: and the floting ring is jointing the 3rt pivot... Raelara: sure AnneB: Yes, the sun wont set under the horizon untill somewhen in July. Mary Maynard: I will have worked some of these by then Marie Smith: Like working a puzzle. I enjoy puzzles! AKTATTER: BUENO MARIA! Cynthia: sure...I can get Beth to work on the translation in more readily understood words AKTATTER: JENNI WHICH ONE? DorcasAnn: that sounds nice about the sun' Dantatter: no midnight sun here but neither is it dark here at 10 pm DorcasAnn: where are you? Mary Maynard: Dan where are you Raelara: doesn't matter Raelara: just being brave AnneB: Numer 16 looks like fun maria alcantara: I try a few days #14 Raelara: I actually think they are pretty clear Dantatter: I am Susanne from Denmark, just below Anne in Norway, lol Raelara: 16 is cool Rosebud: Thanks for all your help Jenny: do you mean which book Georgia? I don't know it is downstairs. I'll tell you next week maria alcantara: . AKTATTER: OK Marie Smith: Should we send them in for homework? claudia: - AKTATTER: ALRIGHT THEN ANY LAST QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: HOMEWORK IS ALWAYS WELCOME Hope Green: I love the look of the center of 15- love it as a whole Cynthia: Georgia congrats on having a tv star in your family.... Dantatter: Do you know who the Russian tatter is ? AKTATTER: EHHHH ISN'T IT TOTALLY TO COOL AKTATTER: NOT BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE TH NAME BUT WOULD LOVE TO KNOW Jenny: Thanks Grorgia it has been a really interesting class AKTATTER: REMEMBER ICE ROAD TRUCKERS SUNDAY MAY 31 9PM ET AKTATTER: THANKS JENNY Mary Maynard: AK Great class Cynthia: I'll get Beth to work on that for us.... maria alcantara: is rumanian..ru= Rumania AKTATTER: I HAVE ONE LITTLE ANNOUNCEMENT AKTATTER: RU = RUSSIAN Mary Maynard: as I said, VERY glad I remembered Hope Green: shoot Dantatter: Perhaps one from one of those Russian books picotsnkeys: thanks for letting me sit in. I wasn't so lost this time. :) Mary Maynard: YES AK Jenny: Bye everybody Hope Green: announcement?? Jenny from x.x.x.159 left the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: see I knew you'd catch on quick picotsnkeys AnneB: Will have a look on the ice road :-) AKTATTER: WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER TO LEAD A TATTING CLASS FRO FRENCH SPEAKING TATTERS STARTING THIS FALL! claudia: little babby? DorcasAnn: interesting class Mary Maynard: Great Raelara: cool!!!! AnneB: Nice! nicocoer: cool! AKTATTER: MORE DETAILS ON THAT LATER THIS SUMMER Mary Maynard: AK here is is after two & I need to get me some lunck. TTFN MJB: great class Geogria Norag: Thank you Georgia for an interesting class. Cynthia: awesome picotsnkeys: cool!! Perhaps one could practise French and tatting? AKTATTER: BYE MARY AKTATTER: WHY NOT! AKTATTER: THANK YOU ALL FOR STOPPING BY Dantatter: an international classroom AnneB: Thanks Georgia! claudia: another languague? russian, french!!! uohhhh Cynthia: some could but not me....lol AKTATTER: THANKS TO RUTH RIET JANE AND OUR RUSSAIN TATTER FOR SHARING THEIR WORK WITH US Norag: I don't seem to get much tatting done these days. AnneB: TRyly internaional Dantatter: Tak AK - it means thank you maria alcantara: thank you for this interesting class AKTATTER: HIS LESSON REPEATS AT 8/8:30PM ET TONIGHT claudia: thanks Cynthia: Thank you Georgia, and everyon else too! skfuller: thanks again Georgia I'm on my way to try #19 AKTATTER: CLAUDIA I THINK GERMAN MAYBE? Hope Green: ok AK- did class start 1 hr and 10 min ago?? AKTATTER: TAK SUZANNE! AnneB: We could do one in Danish/Norwegian - not that different languages lol RuthPerry from x.x.x.164 left the chat 5 hours ago AKTATTER: YES Norag from x.x.x.140 joined the chat 5 hours ago claudia: so much for me!!!! Dantatter: Yes Anne, Raelara: I can read a little Japanese. Maybe I can figure out Japanese patterns Dantatter: But how many would attend except the two of us Cynthia: awesome everyone tatting around the world Norag: you Georgaia Thank AKTATTER: WERE YOU VOLUNTEERING ANNE? LOL Cynthia: I'd stumble along.... maria alcantara: AnneB your page is great but I canīt undertand!!!! so...I could start Hope Green: then it is noon my time... lets refigure- you said 6:30 for me tonight... will it be 5:30 instead?? 3 hr difference to eastern time Raelara: I would like to learn Danish, have Danish ancestry Dantatter: roflol AnneB: I think well have to look up more attenders first LOL Norag: Thank you Georgia for an interesting class Dantatter: Start with "tak" AKTATTER: BUT IT IS 3PM ET 2PM CENTRAL 1 PM MOUNTAIN ? AKTATTER: YOU ARE MOST WELCOME Dantatter: Why are there so many tatters with Danish roots Cynthia: and 12 pacific... AnneB: I have some patterns in English, Maria AKTATTER: I THOUGHT SO Norag: Japanese patterns seem to have diagrams that are good skfuller: yes 1 PM mountain maria alcantara: I know...I have themmm Thanks AKTATTER: WHEN I NDOUBT http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/search.html AKTATTER: OK HOPE IS ARIZONA ON MT TIME THO? AKTATTER: EXCELLENT DIAGRAMS Dantatter: Raelara - where are you ? picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 left the chat 5 hours ago AnneB: Hm -half of them are dragons for somer reason... AKTATTER: THANKS FOR COMING ALL BYE FOR NOW AND HAPPY TATTING ALL Norag: Will be watching TV on 31st Georgia Dantatter: Happy tatting AK Marie Smith: Love the dragons claudia: byeeeeee maria alcantara: I had been tatting dragons..probably 15 os so Mary Maynard from x.x.x.30 left the chat 5 hours ago Mary Maynard from x.x.x.30 left the chat 5 hours ago Norag: So long for now everyone. God bless AnneB: How many dragons have you made in all Marie? Cynthia: bye until this evening.... Marie Smith: more than 150 maria alcantara: a lot ....realy Raelara: I'm in California nicocoer: bye Norag: Hi Cynthia Bye skfuller: bye til evening for me too maria alcantara: here, in home every one wantīs one so... AnneB: That is A LOT! Keep making more :-) AnneB: I'm off to see if I can find one of those printouts of the poppies. Hope Green: ok ak... Az doesn't do daylight savings... I am now considered Pacific Marie Smith: Everyone here wants one, too. Thanks for the patterns Anne! AnneB: Bye all!! Hope Green: so it will be 12 noon and 5:30 for me?? Dantatter: Just like TattingChic who also have Danish ancestors, lol AnneB: You are welcome Marie! RuthPerry from x.x.x.164 joined the chat 5 hours ago AnneB from x.x.x.240 left the chat 5 hours ago Dantatter: Farvel Anne RuthPerry: Georgia, call me please I lost my phone that had your number Marie Smith: Bye all! RuthPerry: Bye Dantatter: I will also leave, maybe I will see you next week maria alcantara: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/ioli/2009/IOLI2009jonpoppy.pdf Dantatter: Bye for now and happy tatting Raelara: bye all maria alcantara: bye girls! Paula: Had to go afk for a bit but am back now Paula: is class over? nicocoer: think so. nicocoer: I'm keeping the window up in case I have a question between now and evening session. nicocoer: (other wise I'll forget) Paula: I'll keep the window open too in case I can attend the next one Paula: I am printing out the chat log to see what I missed while having lunch with dh Paula from x.x.x.134 left the chat 4 hours ago Greengal from x.x.x.172 joined the chat 2 hours ago Greengal: Dont faint I am actually here early for the needle tatting. nicocoer: :D :D :D Greengal: morning nicocoer: morning/evening. :) Paule from x.x.x.87 joined the chat 2 hours ago Paule: Allo everyone Paule: Allo Ruth! Paule: Long time no see! AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 2 hours ago erin in tenn. from x.x.x.100 left this message 2 hours ago: Hello, everybody! Georgia, the eagle has landed! And THANK YOU! You shouldn't have! AKTATTER: Erin go to the bottom and click join chat Greengal: hi everyone AKTATTER: oh the eagle has landed softly I hope! and you are welcome AKTATTER: hey that is great green AKTATTER: nico did you get to practice the chain this afternoon? AKTATTER: paule it is possible that we will have a class for french speaking tatters starting inthe fall Greengal: I have 12 million questions AKTATTER: may you would like to be an assistant if you are feeling up to it? erin in tenn. from x.x.x.100 joined the chat 2 hours ago AKTATTER: ok then let's get started AKTATTER: MAY 18 PM SESSION NEEDLE TATTING nicocoer: yep AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS TO START WITH TONIGHT? erin in tenn.: Why? Greengal: yes erin in tenn.: ;-) No, I'll be good - I promise AKTATTER: OK GO AHEAD GREEN AKTATTER: LOL OK ERIN Greengal: when pattern says ring to start and working from ball is a mock ring ok AKTATTER: NEEDLE TATTING BASICS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/needletattingbasics.html AKTATTER: YES BUTIT IS ALSO POSSIBLE TO MAKE A TRUE RING WHILE WORKING FROM THE BALL AKTATTER: http://www.frontiernet.net/~tammyrodgers/ Greengal: do you do knots between rings and splitrings and chains if the pattern doesnt say so AKTATTER: TAMMY' PAGES SHOW THE DIFFERENCE AKTATTER: BUT DO NOT GET HUNG UP ON TRUE RING OR SCMR RING WHEN NT-ING erin in tenn.: And right about here is where I get lost......:-P AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: TYING OFF OT ANCHORING THE RING, THE SPLIT RING WOULD BE NORMAL AKTATTER: BUT A SPLIT RING YOU COULD DO WITHOUT TYING AS LONG AS YOU ARE CAREFUL NOT TO PULL ONE ONE SIDE OF THE MOCK PICOT AKTATTER: MORE THAN THE OTHER SIDE AKTATTER: INA SPLIT CHAIN HOWEVER Greengal: so shut the ring but only turn if pattern says? AKTATTER: YOU ARE USUALLY COMING OUT INTO ANOTHER ROW WITH A MOCK PICOT IN THE CENTER OF THE CHAIN AKTATTER: AND THERE i WOULD NOT DO A TIE AKTATTER: I WISH I COULD SAY YES GREEN BUT THE FACT IS Greengal: thanks AKTATTER: THAT SOME PATTERNS WILL ASSUME THAT YOU KNKOW WHERE TO RW AKTATTER: AND SO NOT TYPE IT OUT FOR YOU AKTATTER: THE BEST RULE IS AKTATTER: RW BETWEEN RING AND CHAIN AKTATTER: EXCEPT AKTATTER: WHENTHROWING OFF A FLOATING RING FROM A CHAIN AKTATTER: ALWAYS LOOK AT THE PATTERN AKTATTER: THERE IS A LINE OF PROGRESS FROM LEFT TO RIGHT NORMALLY AKTATTER: ABOVE THE LINE ARE RINGS AKTATTER: BELOW THE LINE ARE CHAINS AKTATTER: IF THEN RING IS ON THE CHAIN BELOW THELIN THEN NO RW BEFORE OR AFTER IT AKTATTER: NEXT? AKTATTER: NICO ANY ?? nicocoer: hold on a sec AKTATTER: OK AKTATTER: ERIN HOW IS RAY? erin in tenn.: aok erin in tenn.: We're in the pollen season. He wears his mask everywhere looking like Michael Jackson. AKTATTER: GOOD SAY HIFOR ME AND GET HIM TO WATCH ICE ROAD TRUCKERS MAY 31 9PM ET AKTATTER: RICH WEARS HIS WHEN M,OWING TOO erin in tenn.: Good deal! Riet de B-engel from x.x.x.50 joined the chat 114 minutes ago erin in tenn.: He's anxiously awaiting the premiere! AKTATTER: HEY ERIN DID ANY OTHER DONATIONS FOR THE FUND RAISER COME THRU YET? erin in tenn.: Not yet! erin in tenn.: But will be soon! Riet de B-engel: Good evening all AKTATTER: DID YOU SEE GEORGE ON YOUTUBE YET? AKTATTER: RIET HOW NICE TO SEE YOU HERE AKTATTER: GREEN ARE YOU WORKING ON A SPECIAL PATTERN YET? Riet de B-engel: I tried to call you Georgia, but didn't work AKTATTER: NEEDLE TATTING BASICS PART 2 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/needletattingbasicspt2.html AKTATTER: SORRY RIET THE COMPUTER IS ON nicocoer: okay, this is what I did just before you got here: http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs012.snc1/4470_902491652424_9388008_57755592_6370843_n.jpg AKTATTER: NEEDLE TATTNG GRADUATION DOILY http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/orangedoilyntgraduation.jpg AKTATTER: OH LET ME SEE nicocoer: I put it up against my purse because it needed a darker BG AKTATTER: THAT IS GREAT PROGRESS A RING A CHAIN AND THEN A SPLIT RING AND A CHAIN Paule: Georgia I was answering a long distance phone call AKTATTER: THAT MAKES A DEFINITE CURVE AKTATTER: HOPE YOU AER OK PAULE Paule: We will talk again about a freench tatting class in the fall Riet de B-engel: You are talking about needle tatting Roger has explaned the daisy picot in needle tatting AKTATTER: WHEN YOU FEEL READY FOR THE NEEDLE TATTING GRADUATION DOILY LET ME KNOW AND I WILL GIVE YOU THE PATTERN AKTATTER: SURE PAULE THAT IS GREAT Paule: I am OK g. but very very busy! AKTATTER: OH IS THERE A LINK TO IT ON ROGER'S SITE? AKTATTER: WHAT SIZE THREAD AND NEEDLE ARE YOU USING NICO? Riet de B-engel: I have to search that have had a lot of problems AKTATTER: OK I WILLCHECK FOR IT TOO Greengal: I have done a couple of dragons but having trouble with wings Greengal: first couple just reversed 2nd wing completely nicocoer: I'm not sure. I had some rather thin yarn I couldn't use for a knitting project as it turned out to be much too thin (I'm terribe with numberss- next time I'm bringing ntes to the store) and I had a needle that was about the same gauge in my tool box. Greengal: now I amnageed to get them right somehow but they are attached to the back of the body. LOL Greengal: but they look great. Riet de B-engel: I got an e-mail from Roger Greengal: What do we have to do for the graduation doily Riet de B-engel: I will mail the explanation to you Georgia it is not on the site Paule: Riet I finally undestood you daisy picot! AKTATTER: ok riet I couoldn't find it just now nicocoer: (The needle's pre-tatting life involved knotwork on leather bags) AKTATTER: you need to know ring chain mock picot and split ring and split chain AKTATTER: life does so get in the way of our tatting! AKTATTER: dragons wow Anne B's mini dragons? Paule: How right you are G. Greengal: mock picot? AKTATTER: if you can find some thread that has no fuzzies on it Katie Verna from x.x.x.135 joined the chat 105 minutes ago AKTATTER: it is better for tatting Katie Verna: Hi, tatters! AKTATTER: a space of thread from both the ball thread and the core thread left between two tatted elements Paule: I have learned to use every little minute of free time I have for tattong AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/ctrmpspr.jpg mock picot photo Paule: Even if it is only to do one ring! AKTATTER: http://www.gs.cornell.edu/dani/crafts/mock_picot.gif AKTATTER: and how it functions in the construction Hope Green from x.x.x.188 joined the chat 103 minutes ago AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/av3/valeiresquare.html Hope Green: hey erin hey katie... hugs to all HEY reit!!! Katie Verna: Hi, Hopie!!! AKTATTER: welcome hope AKTATTER: hi ya katie Paule from x.x.x.87 joined the chat 103 minutes ago Paule: Whew! Katie Verna: Hey, Georgia! AKTATTER: i think it helps to relieve daily stress to tat for even a few mihnutes AKTATTER: wb paule Paule: That shook me! AKTATTER: earthquake? Paule: right G. Katie Verna: k AKTATTER: LA had 4.8 'ers last night Paule: NOt quite... AKTATTER: be sure to back up your computer tonight just in case AKTATTER: there is another one Riet de B-engel: Georgia can't find the needle tatting of Roger at this moment but Mark Myers also has it Paule: I was coming back from the US this afternoon waiting to go through custms Angela from x.x.x.158 joined the chat 100 minutes ago AKTATTER: ok will check with mark also Paule: We had a delay AKTATTER: not too long i hope Paule: brought out my tatting while DH was .... angry! Angela: Hi everyone Paule: I gat calmed down... Paule: got erin in tenn.: I have to tat everyday. AKTATTER: yes it is calming for those around you too, it makes them sentimental for their grandmas and aunts erin in tenn.: It's my drug. Hehee. Paule: good drug AKTATTER: well i can get by with reading a tatting book sometimes erin in tenn.: Take two new balls of thread and call me in the morning! ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue May 19 02:03:38 2009 GMT (178 KB) Page 3 of 4 - Char 102457 to 153695 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Greengal: Is there an easy way to measure those mock picots AKTATTER: hello angela good to see you here Angela: just came in from planting flowers and beets AKTATTER: i oftern use two wrinkles on my left forefinger Paule: mock picot? not really.. Paule: in my humble opinio AKTATTER: but I recommend using a picot gauge Paule: have to try... nicocoer: okay, I'm slightly confused by the mock picot. AKTATTER: shorter mp is better thatn longer mp Angela: I always try to use picot gauge. AK do you have any left? Paule: wrinkles do not work fro me, I tried AKTATTER: it takes the place of a regular picot and should the smae length as the other picots on the ring AKTATTER: yes good supply right now Angela Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 97 minutes ago AKTATTER: yes mine kept getting bigger too paule Cynthia: Hi Paule: somehow... they always look strange... AKTATTER: look at this photo nico Angela: okay, I will be sending you some money. Didn't the price go up recenty? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/ctrmpspr.jpg AKTATTER: $6 plus $2 postage = $8 Paule: I mean the mock picot... Greengal: I will have to contact tou later to find out how to get one erin in tenn.: Just gave Raymond the "ice road" news and he's STOKED! Angela: ok. AKTATTER: but you now get a storage tin with it erin in tenn.: Those picot gauges are wonderful. I love working with them AKTATTER: oh super! i hope he will go see the blooper reel too Angela: I will tru better to keep them out of the dogs way. That is okay AKTATTER: here my bro forgetrs his own name! AKTATTER: thanks for the promo erin erin in tenn.: I'll pass word on to the other boys, too (Joseph, John and Brett) Bonnie from x.x.x.161 joined the chat 95 minutes ago AKTATTER: welcome bonnie Cynthia: we all have our days when in front of a camera AKTATTER: nico you see where the mock picot is on the photo? Bonnie: Good evening all Angela: Hi Bonnie Greengal: Okey dokey the MK seem ok when going cept going from ring or SR to a chain AKTATTER: se it is the same length as the other picots onthe first ring? AKTATTER: yes you may want to tie off the mock picot before entering a chain nicocoer: I see it but it's not quite making sense to me as to how it is made. AKTATTER: when you complete the chain it is normal to tension it Sherong from x.x.x.184 joined the chat 93 minutes ago AKTATTER: by compressing it back to the starting point AKTATTER: to make it curve more AKTATTER: but if mp is not tied AKTATTER: you can by acccident pull out one leg and then it is lop sided AKTATTER: you don't really "make " it nico Sherong: Hi all Angela: AK, you've got mail with money Greengal: so somewhere I ahve to do 2 knots erin in tenn.: Just like real life.... Riet de B-engel: Hi bonnie AKTATTER: you sinply leave a bare space of thread but both threads AKTATTER: thanks angela :) AKTATTER: welcome sheron Wally from x.x.x.117 joined the chat 92 minutes ago nicocoer: okay Wally: Hi gals! Riet de B-engel: Hi Sherong AKTATTER: if you are working with very fine thread it may not be necessary to tie off the mp AKTATTER: wally howdy! Paule: Hey Wally! You in PR Greengal: i tie off the ring and turn ready for the chain make MP then knot for tie that off and im facing the wrong way for the chain Riet de B-engel: Hi Wally erin in tenn.: Hi, Riet, Wally and Sheron! Mimi from x.x.x.224 joined the chat 91 minutes ago erin in tenn.: Mimi! Howdy! Wally: Yep. In PR until the end of summer Mimi: Howdy Erin AKTATTER: when you make the tie Riet de B-engel: Hi Erin did you see Jane's monkey's AKTATTER: just don't tighten it up all the way that will work AKTATTER: or Wally: Hi Riet! Erin, Sheron, Paule and the rest. :-) AKTATTER: tighten it up really well and then leave a bare space of the htread erin in tenn.: Yes, I did, Riet! Aren't they a hoot? Wally: Class started? AKTATTER: ok last call for needle tatting questions AKTATTER: not yet wallty Riet de B-engel: I am busy to tat them erin in tenn.: Georgia is attempting to explain a mock picot into a split ring in Nerdle tatting. Sherong: Did you gals see the sheep and hedgehog that Ruth has in the calendar? Wally: erin, I need you snail addy to send something AKTATTER: "nerdle" tatting rofl erin in tenn.: They're not too Baaaaaaaaad! Wally: I made the hedgehog. So cute!!! nicocoer: XD Angela: will I can agree with nerdle!! Riet de B-engel: Georgia I maile Marks needle tatted daisy picots Wally: *giggles AKTATTER: yes I made a point to se the hedge hog AKTATTER: thanks riet erin in tenn.: Georgia can attest that I'm behaving myself much more than usual. Paule: Ruth give the URL to your sheep! Paule: please erin in tenn.: I have accused her of using needle tatting as a form of torture. erin in tenn.: Hence her nickname "Georgia of the Corn" Wally: Eek! Greengal: in minidragon pattern says make first ring from back side ??????? Angela: Georgia I am going to NC next month. How far from 77 are Angela: you AKTATTER: oh my ohmy i just got a news flask erin in tenn.: Wally, I'll email you my addy! AKTATTER: OH ERIN THE eagle has really landed Angela: flask, was it good AKTATTER: the baby eagle has flown!! Wally: All my needles mysteriously desapear. :-( I will have to buy new ones nicocoer: I think I'm good untill next time. hopefully by then I'll be confident enough for that doily :) In the mean time my cat is getting a fancy picture collar' Hope Green: flask... what's in it?? Wally: Thnx Erin AKTATTER: the proud parents took him to the pond yesterday for lunch erin in tenn.: Hi, HOpie! Angela: yeah, G, share erin in tenn.: Awwww. AKTATTER: i am so happy he made it! Paule: How lucky you are Wally: Hi Hopie!!! Paule: baby eagles in your backyard Jon from x.x.x.59 joined the chat 87 minutes ago AKTATTER: wally i have some to spare let me know Cynthia: awesome...it is always fun to watch the first flight erin in tenn.: Well, duh - I'll stick the address here for all to see where I live........ AKTATTER: just got it confirmed by the Audubon guy Riet de B-engel: Hi Hope, didn't see that Wally: Sure G. Angela: cool that makes if official erin in tenn.: And send me your pretties for the "Tatter's Treasure Chest Scholarship Fundraiserama" AKTATTER: welcome jon so happy you could join us erin in tenn.: Erin Holloway / 507 Alandale Dr. / Knoxville, TN 37920 / USA Wally: That's why I want to addy. I have some pretties to send Paule: G. we want a photo of baby eagle! erin in tenn.: Let's hope the axe murderer doesn't read the nerdle tatting log. Hah! AKTATTER: yes we need donations for the scholarship fundraiser Bonnie: Erin when do you need them by? Sherong: Erin: Can we give you something for it at Tat Days? AKTATTER: I will try to get one paule erin in tenn.: Sure, Sheron! Angela: I have a half done poppy erin in tenn.: Bonnie, Tat Days is in early September. erin in tenn.: Any time is dandy before then. Wally: I will try hard to go this year. AKTATTER: great anglea because we need lots more poppies for the convention erin in tenn.: Please do, Wally! Bonnie: Okay I'll try to get you some, at t his address you just posted right? AKTATTER: mail to Julia Brock 4928 Rodeo Road Riverside CA 92504 erin in tenn.: What's the poppy count, georgia? Any idea? AKTATTER: or Lucie Cofield 1904 North Roosevelt - Altadena, Ca 91001 Angela: I didn't do it with a nerdle either!! Wally: Ah, Sheron who is in charge of the CD's? I ordered one by Pay Pal and haven't receive it AKTATTER: or me Georgia Seitz 1227 CR 1760 E Greenup Illinois USA 62428 Riet de B-engel: Georgia when is the convention AKTATTER: Maria from Mexico sent in 12! the photo is posted on the index page Sherong: Marie is mailing them out. When did you order it? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/2009index.html Wally: Maria made a great job. I have to congrats her Angela: I saw those and became inspired erin in tenn.: I saw those - they were beautiful! AKTATTER: not yet none have arrived at Julia's yet Wally: Like 2-3 weeks ago erin in tenn.: That's such a pretty pattern, too. AKTATTER: last week of july ends on Aug 1 Riet Wally: I got some threads today and I'll try to make some poppies AKTATTER: your blue poppy was very pretty Wally AKTATTER: SO SHALL WE GET STARTED? Sherong: She may be here tonight, if not email (or I will) her Angela: Angela Miracle, Lupton, MI USA, aanjel51@yahoo.com Wally: Mom confiscate it. lol AKTATTER: please SIGN IN Sherong: Sheron Goldin, sherongb@yahoo.com, Columbia, SC AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS USA AKTATTER@AOL.COM Wally: Wally Sosa, needledreams@yahoo.com from very wet Puerto Rico AKTATTER: MAY 18 PM SESSION REGULAR CLASS WE HAVE LOTS OF LINKS TONIGHT LOOK BELOW Riet de B-engel: Riet Surtel-Smeulders Surtel-Smeulde@kpnplanet.nl Katie Verna: Katie Verna, katie@r-v-r.com, Creedmoor NC erin in tenn.: erin holloway tataconic@bellsouth.net knoxville, tn Sherong: Wally: Do you know of any threads from Guatemala? Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo.com Mimi: Mimi Dillman, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, Snohomish, WA USA nicocoer: savannah "Nico" Logsdon, nicocoer @ gmail.com Utic PA Jon: Jon Yusoff, jonyusoff@yahoo.com Malaysia AKTATTER: HI MIMI! AKTATTER: OK FIRST THING IS TO REPEAT THE CALL FOR THE POPPIES Wally: no... The only one I know is from Peru "Miquita" Katie Verna: Hi, Mimi! AKTATTER: USING JON'S FLOWER FROM THE FUNDRAISER BOOKLET FROM LAST YEAR Wally: Salam Jon. Didn't see you entering Cynthia: I have 1 done and started on the second, Georgia AKTATTER: "FLOWERS OF LACE PUT A SMILE ON YOUR FACE" Bonnie from x.x.x.161 joined the chat 80 minutes ago AKTATTER: THANKS CYN WE CAN SURE USE THEM Wally: Can I send other flo9wers? Jon: I sneaked in Wally, :-D AKTATTER: SEND AWAY WALLY I SAY! Riet de B-engel: I will tat some. I finished the guild magazine Cynthia: I can probably get another done later in the week... Bonnie: Bonnie Peters, mbhp12@iwon.com, Cassadaga NY Wally: I mean to make other flowers apart of the poppie Paule: Paule Primeau Boucherville Quebec Canada toujoursvivante@videotron.ca AKTATTER: ON THE INDEX PAGE MARY MAYNARD HAS OFFERED AN ALTERNATIVE WAY TO TAT THE POPPY STARTING WITH A SCMR AKTATTER: YOU WILL NEED TO COPY THE INFO FROM THE INDEX PAGE AKTATTER: WALLY I AM SURE THAT THEY WILL BEGRATEFUL FOR ANYTHING YOU SEND AKTATTER: SOEM OF THE FLOWERS ARE GIVEN AS BOOKMARKS TO THE TEACHERS AND SINCE I WILL BE TEACHING I KNOW THAT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A LITTLE POSY AKTATTER: OK WE START TONIGHT AKTATTER: WITH RIET'S DAISY PICOT POSTED ON JANE EBORALL PAGES AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/daisypicotriet.pdf AKTATTER: OK GOT THE PAGE PRINTED OR ONSCREEN? AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT THE DRAWING ON THE FAR RIGHT Wally: yep erin in tenn.: Si. AKTATTER: THIS USES TWO SHUTTLES AKTATTER: WE WILL POST THE NEEDLE TATTING HOW TO AS SOON AS WE GET IT AKTATTER: THE SECOND SHUTTLE WRAPS DS Jon: I first learned how to make daisy picot from this instructions too. Quite easy to follow. AKTATTER: ONTO A PORTION OF THE RING THREAD Wally: I have worked it in needle tatting. not my fav but it's cool Angela: oh!!!!!!! nerdle tatting? AKTATTER: THAT EVENTUALLY BECOMES THE PICOT Wally: oops, nerdle, yes. lol AKTATTER: OK NOW NO MORE JOKES ABOUT NEEDLE TATTING THE NEWBIES WILL NOT KNOW THAT WE AREN'T SERIOUS Riet de B-engel: What is nerde tatting AKTATTER: WE ALL KNOW THAT NEEDLE TATTING IS SOMETHING WE ALL MUST LEARN IT HAS CERTAIN ADVANTAGES AKTATTER: FOR TATTING AKTATTER: RIET IT IS A JOKE Wally: ok, I'll go to my corner quietly. Wally: *hiding chocolates* AKTATTER: NEEDLE = NERDLE A PLAY ON WORDS Angela: me too AKTATTER: OHHH CHOCOLATES Hope Green: Wally- you don't know how to be quietly... AKTATTER: LOL Angela: I get the chocolates with Wally!!1 Wally: :-D erin in tenn.: (erin ducks under the table blushing.....) Hope Green: where??? Wally- I told you.... AKTATTER: ESPECIALLY NOT WHEN EATING CHOCOLATES HMMMMM Riet de B-engel: OK I am not bgood in american yokes AKTATTER: OK SO WE HAVE DS ON A PICOT Jon: Let's see how long Wally stays in the corner, being quiet, LOL. Wally: Dark choco Doves. *passing the bag* AKTATTER: NOW BEAR THIS DRAWING IN MIND AKTATTER: WON'T LAST LONG JON! AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK NEXT Bonnie from x.x.x.161 joined the chat 73 minutes ago AKTATTER: AT JANE'S 7/8" PEARL BUTTON PATTERN AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/MOPbutton.pdf AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE PICOT ON THE OUTER EDGE Wally: Oh! Love the buttons!!! erin in tenn.: These are pretty - what does she do with them? AKTATTER: NOTE: JANE'S PATTERN ALSO USES A BEADED MOCK PICOT Hope Green: Bear.. Know there are eagle babies but bears too??? Bonnie from x.x.x.161 joined the chat 72 minutes ago AKTATTER: WHICH WE STUDIED EARLIER IN CLASS THIS YEAR AKTATTER: NO BEARS HERE HOPE :) GOT A BIG GROUNDHOG THO AKTATTER: WB BONNIE Bonnie: sorry everytime i click on the link it doesn't open a new window it uses this one & I can't get back here AKTATTER: THE PICOT HAS 5 BEADS ON IT AKTATTER: OPEN A SECOND WINDOE IN IE AND COPY THE LINKS OVER THERE BONNIE AKTATTER: BUT IT IS REALLY A LONG PICOT AKTATTER: AND IS BEADED Bonnie from x.x.x.161 joined the chat 70 minutes ago AKTATTER: A DS IS TATTED AKTATTER: A BEAD SLIDES UP FROM THE SHUTTLE THREAD AKTATTER: A DS IS TATTED AKTATTER: AND THEN A JOIN IS MADE TO THE BEADED LONG PICOT AKTATTER: BUT THE EFFECT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THAT DAISY PICOT AKTATTER: NOW WE MUST TURN TO THE PAGES BY RUTH PERRY AKTATTER: WHOSE TOE IS HEALING NICELY BUT MISSING ABOUT 1/2 OF THE TOENAIL (OUCH) Wally: ah... the double beaded picot... AKTATTER: http://tatting.wordpress.com/ erin in tenn.: OWWWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! AKTATTER: YES JANE HAS A NICE PATTERN FOR THAT LONG BEADED PICOT AKTATTER: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/Addbeadslongpicot.pdf AKTATTER: THAT WAS THE OLD LINK Wally: ouchie! That happens to9 me often AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/Addbeadslongpicot.pdf MAYBE THIS WILL WORK AKTATTER: NOW ON RUTH'S PAGE YOU WILL SEE 3 PHOTOS AKTATTER: THAT LACE WING FLY IS FIRST Wally: both are working AKTATTER: BUT SCROLL DOWN TO THE BROWN RING WITH GREEN ON THE OUTSIDE Wally: I like that second photo AKTATTER: SO GLAD TO HEAR THAT WALLY, JANE KEEPS FIDDLING WITH THE LINKS ARGHHHH AKTATTER: PLEASE NOTE AKTATTER: RUTH PERRY OFTENS FINGER TATS HER WORK Wally: lol, i'll do the same with my web soon AKTATTER: SO IF YOU SEE A SPOT WHERE YOU JUST CAN' SEE HOW IT IS POSSIBLE AKTATTER: KEEP THAT INMIND AKTATTER: YOU MAY NEED TO FINGER TAT OR PUT THE THREAD ON A BLUNT TAPESTRY NEEDLE AKTATTER: OF GET REALLY SKINNY FLAT SHUTTLES Cynthia: ah ha...I knew there must be some finger tatting going on.... AKTATTER: SO WE HAD RIETS DAISY PICOT AKTATTER: DS ON A PICOT AKTATTER: JANES'S LONG BEADED PICOT Riet de B-engel: Ruth also makes a lot of times a reversed ring AKTATTER: YES SHE DOES SHE IS TRICKY THT WYA RIET Wally: I like the reversed ring AKTATTER: AND NOW WE HAVE RUTH;S LONG PICOT Paule: reversed ring? AKTATTER: THAT IS FOLDED OVER AND JOIN AKTATTER: TO MAKE A DOULBE PICOT AKTATTER: A RING MADE FROM ALL WRAPPED DS PAULE Wally: I learned it from Rebecca Jone's book Sherong: The one you made when you first started and didn't flip the stitches Sherong: Pull the ball thread to close AKTATTER: NOW RUTH HAS PLACED A DS ON THE PICOT Riet de B-engel: Reversed ring is a ring tatted with unflipped ds Cynthia: sneaky.... AKTATTER: RUTH SAYS THAT YOU CAN APPLY THE DS TO THE DOUBLE PICOT Wally: Would be a good idea to have a class about this reversed ring AKTATTER: BY USING THE SPLIT CHAIN METHOD THAT MARIE SHARED WITH US Riet de B-engel: apply? AKTATTER: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SCHMarie.htm erin in tenn.: Isn't she Miss Smarty Pants! AKTATTER: APPLY = TO PUT IT ON erin in tenn.: I had visions of having to do the ner - er needle thing. AKTATTER: OR YOU CAN USE THE FINGERTAT OR BLUNT NEEDLE METHOD AND WRAP THE DS ON Hope Green: link didn't work Riet de B-engel: thanks AKA AKTATTER: LIKE MAKING A SPLIT RING AKTATTER: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/SCHMarie.htm TRY IT THAT WAY AKTATTER: OK NOW STAY WITH ME HERE AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE TINY PINK RING AKTATTER: THE PATTERN IS Wally: I have done that too. I called it a knoted join... Hope Green: darn still an error Paule from x.x.x.87 joined the chat 60 minutes ago Hope Green: tiny pink ring of ruths Wally: Guess, there's nothign new under the sun. lol Paule: Shook again! AKTATTER: R 1 PICOT SPACE HALF STITCH PICOT SPACE HS PICOT SPACE 1 CLOSE Bonnie: still didn't work for me AKTATTER: WELL WE MUST GO TO JANE'S SITE AND FIND WHERE SHE HID IT AKTATTER: PAULE DO YOU LIVE IN A HOUSE OR BIG BUILDING? Paule: House close to the river Paule: beautiful view! lucky me! Wally: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/FastEasy.pdf AKTATTER: HMM MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET SOMETHING TO EAT AND DRINK AND A BLANKET AND GO OUTSIDE FOR A LITTLE WHILE AKTATTER: BUT STAY AWAY FROM TEH RIVER BANK AKTATTER: AH WALLY FOUND IT!! Bonnie: thank you AKTATTER: TAKE PURSE AND ID TO PAULE Angela: you can leave the corner now AKTATTER: YEP YOU CAN COME OUT WALLY, ERIN TOO AKTATTER: OK WE HAVE NOW THE PINK RING AKTATTER: BUT YO UCAN DO IT AS A CHAIN ALSO AKTATTER: SO NOW THINK erin in tenn.: Yay - a pink ring! AKTATTER: COULD WE TAKE THE PINK RING EFFECT Paule: we have aperitif on the verandah overlooking the river every night! Angela: Wally, please leave me the chocolate as I was not released!!! AKTATTER: AND PUT IT ON THE PICOTS ON THE BROWN RING? AKTATTER: OH THAT SOUNDS ROMANTIC PAULE AKTATTER: OK OK ANGEL A YOU MAY COME BACK TOO Sherong: Guess you were behaving and we forgot you were there. AKTATTER: DOES ANYONE SEE ANY OTHER POSSIBILITES? Angela: oh, thank you Sherong: So you have been good and come out also Paule: I'm lost Cynthia: me too.... AKTATTER: LOL DON'T WORRY PAULE IT GOING TO GET WORSE IN A MINUTE Wally: Okay, I'll go out of the corner but with my chocos Bonnie: me also Paule: glad I'm not alone AKTATTER: THESE ARE ALL WONDERFUL IDEAS FOR PICOTS Jon: I am lost too, but I can see the possibilities. AKTATTER: AND WHERE YOU CAN USE ONE OF THEM Wally: I was thinking the brown ring was the same as the pink Riet de B-engel: Why are they asking if vI want to stay? I try to be silent and I think I must talk erin in tenn.: Georgiabelle - do you mean applying the twisty picot idea to the brown part as double twisties? AKTATTER: YOU CAN USE A DIFFERENT ONE Sherong: Bots checking. AKTATTER: RIET TYPE K ONCE IN WHILE SO THE CMPUTER KNOWS YOUARE STILL AWAKE Sherong: Just click stay Paule: do talk Riet! please! AKTATTER: YES YES ERIN YOU SEE IT? Sherong: Or clik OK at end of type bar every so often erin in tenn.: the electronic equivalent of a mirror under one's nose.... Riet de B-engel: I think you can play with all those things just as I did with lock chains AKTATTER: LOL erin in tenn.: Yes, Georgia, I'm seeing it.....It's not purdy, but I see it! AKTATTER: YES THAT IUS THE IDEA RIET Wally: Oh my! Brain storm. Gotta get my shuttles. AKTATTER: JUST BECAUSE THE PATTERN CALLS FOR ONE KIND OF PICOT Jon: Ha Ha ... Riet, if only I have time to play. Cynthia: true Riet... AKTATTER: DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T CHANGE IT WITH A DIFFERENT SORT AKTATTER: WHAT VARIATIONS THERE COULD BE Cynthia: we all have time if we make time... erin in tenn.: It's really dangerous if you look at Rhoda Auld's text and then Ann Dyer's. Gaaaaaaaaa! AKTATTER: OK ANY QUESTIONS ON PICOTS? Riet de B-engel: just take time Jon Angela: no AKTATTER: OH YES WE WANT TO STUDY ANNE DYER SOON Wally: I think of patterns as guides Wally: or suggestions. ;-) AKTATTER: OK WELL NOW THAT THE INTRODUCTION IS OVER AKTATTER: LET'S GET DOWN TO THE REAL LESSON Paule: time.. Means something else gets ditched... AKTATTER: AN EXCELLENT IDEA WALLY Paule: ok Riet de B-engel: Wher can I find Anne Dyer Wally: Who is Anne Dyer? AKTATTER: OH MY AKTATTER: TATTER FROM THE UK Paule: indeed Wally: I would love to have Rhonda's book erin in tenn.: http://www.zigzagcorner.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=318&zenid=6c3abc6eecde42ca6aac20eee7383182 AKTATTER: "TO GO WHERE NO SHUTTLE HAS GONE BEFORE" TATTI NG BOOK AKTATTER: I THINK I HAVE ONE WALLY LET ME KNW LATER erin in tenn.: That link goes to the cover of the book. It's bizarre. Wally: Ah!!! I had that book. Loved it!!! Paule: I have that book Riet de B-engel: Oooohhhh yes I have the book AKTATTER: THANKS ERIN! Cynthia: interesting cover! and yes I want one.... Angela: I want one, sigh!! Wally: Havebeen looking for it again. Hope Green: I am worn out with all the possibilities... AKTATTER: OK LETS LOOK AT OUR RUSSIAN PATTERNS Angela: k AKTATTER: GET A DRINK HOPE AND STICK WITH US, HMM MAKE IT VODKA I GUESS Cynthia: they are fun Hope Green: lol.. no- rusty nail!!! AKTATTER: NO A DRINK A RUSTY NAIL IS WHAT RUTH PROBABLY STEPPED ON AKTATTER: FIRST http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/russian4terms.jpg Angela: no, maragarita AKTATTER: THOSE FOUR TERMS ARE WHAT WE NEED TO LEARN TONIGHT erin in tenn.: Mine is Strawberry Vanilla Rose Black Tea. AKTATTER: MILK FOR ME Hope Green: scotch & drambuie- rusty nail Wally: I printed all of them and will be playing. Excellent because this week I have been sleeping less than 5 hrs per day. :-D Paule: Hope.. tatting will last you forever! erin in tenn.: Scotch and drambuie - headache! erin in tenn.: ;-) AKTATTER: FOR LATER GENERAL RUSSIAN TATTING TERMS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/reviews/ru/nktatterms.jpg Angela: I would be under the table with a rusty nail AKTATTER: AND OUR PATTERN PAGES http://vilushka.ru/mot.html Sherong: Or for those who prefer english use <http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://vilushka.ru/mot.html&ei=u14QSsa9J6G-8QSQ5ejsDw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://vilushka.ru/mot.html%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DJwl> erin in tenn.: Vodka and kahlua - black Russian Riet de B-engel from x.x.x.50 joined the chat 48 minutes ago Sherong: You forgot the milk Erin Sherong: or Cream Paule: Erin I want a tate of Vanila Rose Black Tea! erin in tenn.: That would be a white Russian, Sheron. Riet de B-engel: I kicked myself out the classroom Wally: Ah, thta's Black Russian. Have been reading a King's book with that and I didn't know what it was. erin in tenn.: Paule - it's Celestial Seasonings. erin in tenn.: Yum. AKTATTER: THANKS SHERON THAT WILL HELP TOO Jon: Hey! don't get tipsy y'all. We are all knotted as it is! AKTATTER: OK OUR FOUR WORDS Wally: I have hibiscus tea. Yummy Hope Green: sherong- bless you!!! you will have to tell me how to do that!! and I just discovered that if you click on the diagram it gets BIGGER" Paule: TY Erin AKTATTER: THE ONE THAT START WITH AN O WITH ALINE THROUGH IT = FRIVOLITE OR TATTING IN RUSSIAN AKTATTER: NEXT IS THE WORD THAT STARTS WITH A K = RING AKTATTER: THE THIRD WORD STARTS WITH A CHARACTER THAT LOOKS LIKE A D WITH A FAT BOTTOM Sherong: Go to the site, copy the url. Do a google search on the URL. End of first line, lite blue "translate this page", click that AKTATTER: = CHAIN Sherong: Translates to english AKTATTER: THE LAST WORD STARTS WITH AN UPSIDE DOWN U = PICOT AKTATTER: SO NOW LET'S TRANSLATE ONE TOGETHER erin in tenn.: I remember that one because it sort of looks like a picot. Sherong: Nice thing: other pages in links also translate AKTATTER: WE ALREADY DID # 18 AND #13 THOS E ARE IN THE LOG FOR EARLIER Cynthia: that helps... AKTATTER: WHICH ONE SHALL WE TRY? AKTATTER: OK #1 AKTATTER: THE LAST ONE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE THE EASIET ONE AKTATTER: IGNORE THE FIRST LINE OF TEXT AKTATTER: LINE 1 STARTS WITH THE K WHICH MEANS? Cynthia: ring Wally: R: 3-3-3-3-3-3 Mimi: ring AKTATTER: GREAT THANKS WALLY Wally: CH: 3-3-3-3-3-3 AKTATTER: RIGHT R 3 DS AND THE UPSIDE DOWN U = PICT AKTATTER: PICOT AKTATTER: LINE 2 IS THE CHAIN RIGHT AGAIN AKTATTER: BUT THE PATTERN STOPS THERE AKTATTER: OFTEN THESE PATTERNS MAKE THE ASSUMPTION AKTATTER: THAT YO UWILL KNOW WHEN TO JOIN AND WHEN TO RW Wally: For me it looks more like the pi letter and I associate it with picot. :-) AKTATTER: SO LOOK TO THE PHOTO LACE AND THE DIAGRAM Cynthia: me too Wally AKTATTER: ME TOO WALLY IT WAS A NATURAL ASSOCIATION! AKTATTER: FOR US WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE LINE 3 erin in tenn.: You all are entirely too mathematical! AKTATTER: R: 3-3 JOIN 3-3-3-3 RW Wally: Ew. Maths are not my forte. Jon: In the google translated page, it shows as p for picot AKTATTER: SHALL WE DO ANOTHER ONE? Cynthia: how about 3? Paule: yes AKTATTER: OK 3 Wally: Yes, I was going to say that one Hope Green: ok.. AKTATTER: AH GOOD A VARIATION Wally: It's common to see patterns like that in Russian books AKTATTER: SO IT STARTS AKTATTER: 1 AND 3 = k = RING 3 - 6 - 6 - 3 AKTATTER: WE CAN SEE THAT IT IS A CLOVER SO NO RW AKTATTER: LEAVE NO SPACE Paule: Must be a join somewhere... AKTATTER: RING 2 = K = R 3 - 8 - 2 - 8 - 2 - 3 AKTATTER: RIGHT PAULE THEY DID NOT SHOW THE JOIN ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue May 19 02:03:57 2009 GMT (178 KB) Page 4 of 4 - Char 153696 to 182308 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Cynthia: true you have to know where the joins are Paule... AKTATTER: SO WE MUST BE AWARE Hope Green: have to enlarge photo to be sure Paule: wait if this is a clover, where is the 2rd ring? AKTATTER: R 3 -JOIN 8 - 2 - 8 - 2 - 3 Hope Green: after 1 3 AKTATTER: THIS IS THE SECOND RING OF THE CLOVER Paule: I meant 3rd Hope Green: how sneaky- no wonder I couldn't figure it out- AKTATTER: NOW WE REPEAT THE PATTERN OF THE FIRST RING Wally: That's the problem with he Russian patterns. Unless you have the photo or a good diagram you can barely work from the writen instructions AKTATTER: RING 3 JOIN 6 - 6 - 3 AKTATTER: REMEMBERING THE JOIN Riet de B-engel: You can see the joins in the diagram AKTATTER: EXACTLY RIGHT WALLY AKTATTER: IF NO PHOTO DRAW IT OUT TO SEE IF IT WORKS FIRST Sherong: It shows that rings 1 & 3 are the same, next is 2 AKTATTER: 4 = THE FAT BOTTOMED D WHICH MEANS? Paule: OK! Sherong: work 1, 2, 3 Wally: chain Paule: chain AKTATTER: RIGHT AKTATTER: CH 6 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 RW AKTATTER: 5 IS THE SMALL RING BETWEEN THE CLOVERS Angela: now we can tell everyone we can tat in Russian!!! AKTATTER: BUT LOOK CLOSELY AKTATTER: IT JOINS! Wally: This mean I can put on my resume that I can read Russian? lol Sherong: Joined to 1 & 3 AKTATTER: SO R 3 - 6 - 6 - 3 IS REALLY R 3 - 6 JOIN 6 - 3 CLOSE RING RW AKTATTER: BASIC RUSSIAN FOR TATTING! Sherong: stabilizes long chain AKTATTER: NOW PLEASE LOOK AT PATTERN #6 Wally: I can read 5 languagesw and tat like in 8. :-) AKTATTER: LINE 1 IS EASY RING 8 - 8 CLOSE RING RW AKTATTER: NOW WHO WANTS TO TRY LINE 2? Jon: Ahh ... no diagram, hmmm Bonnie: no diagram Wally: thats a ch-r-ch AKTATTER: AH HA YEP NO DIAGRAM BUT THERE IS THE PHOTO AKTATTER: YES WLLY YOU GOTIT! Sherong: Floating ring on chain Wally: that is a chain then a tor and then a chain AKTATTER: SO LOOK AT THE DS COUNTS AKTATTER: THERE IS A RING IN PARENS Cynthia: it looks like a floating ring to me... Wally: ch: 3-3-3-3 AKTATTER: WITH IN THE CHAIN IN PARENS Wally: TOR: 3-3-3-3 Wally: CH 3-3-3-3 Angela: I think you need to shuttles for this one AKTATTER: AND INDEED IT DOES MAKE THE FLOATING RING Angela: two shuttles AKTATTER: NOW THE PATTERN READS Wally: you can work tor s with needle] Riet de B-engel: Click on picture and you get a new window with bigger picture Paule: tor? Cynthia: that would help...Thanks Riet... AKTATTER: CH 3 - 3 - 3 - DNRW R 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 CLR DNRW CH 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 RW Cynthia: thrown off ring AKTATTER: THROW OFF RING TOR Cynthia: tor\ Wally: thnx Cynthia AKTATTER: NOW THERE IS A CATCH IN THE PATTERN AKTATTER: SEE IT? AKTATTER: IT SHOWS A PICOT BEFORE THE RING IS THROWN OFF Jon: Reverse work? AKTATTER: WHAT DOES IT MEAN? AKTATTER: A MOCK PICOT IS MADE AKTATTER: IF YOU LOOK AT THE LACE Paule: in 2? AKTATTER: YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A "STEM" BELOW THE RING Wally: ah.... got it Cynthia: 6 Paule AKTATTER: SO THE RING IS ON A MOCK PICOT AND THAT MEANS IS FLOPS AROUND IN THE AIR Paule: Imeant line 2 in 6 erin in tenn.: Whiplash victim. Sherong: Or maybe it is gapsosis AKTATTER: YOU AND I WOULD PROBABLY NOT INCLUDE THAT PICOT AND MAKE OUR MOCK PICOT VERY TIGHT TOTHE WORK Paule: dread desease AKTATTER: YES THAT IS THE LINE PUALE LINE 2 IN PATTERN #6 HAS THIS EXTRA PICOT MARK Jon: I thought that was gapsosis too AKTATTER: OHHHH NOO NO GAPSOSIS ALLOWED! erin in tenn.: One could call that the "Marie Antoinette" ring. erin in tenn.: Given time, it could come off..... AKTATTER: OH GROAN Riet de B-engel: gapsosis? Cynthia: lol Hope Green: that is an erinism AKTATTER: A SPACE WHERE THERE SHOULD BE NO SPACE RIET erin in tenn.: No - that is a Georgiaism. Wally: lol AKTATTER: LOL Hope Green: great class... hugs and love to all.. erin in tenn.: This feels like 2000 all over again! AKTATTER: SO THERE IS ANOTHER ANOMALY IN THIS PATTERN Angela: are you leaving Hope? AKTATTER: NIGHTERS HOPE AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE CHAINS Wally: It's all assymetrical Sherong: Or typed the chain pattern then went to make it more triangular by throwing off the rings and forgot to get rid of the picot in the pattern Paule: I am having grat fun with you girls! Jon: Leaving Hope? G'night then. erin in tenn.: Hope - come back! Wally: NIght night Hopie AKTATTER: CHAIN COUNT DOES NOT MATCH THE LACE AKTATTER: 2 ON ONE SIDE AND 3 ON THE OTHER SIDE Paule: Hope do not leave us! Paule: crooked count? Sherong: Asymetrical chains, 1 more piicot on one side than the other Cynthia: hmmmmmmm I thought it looked off but I didn't figure it out.... Sherong: gives creadance to my last comment AKTATTER: YES ASYMETRICAL INDEED Paule: totaly russian AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK AT #13 AKTATTER: LINE 2 AKTATTER: THERE IS THE UPSIDE DOWN U Paule: just like their grat writers dowtoieski and all Wally: This is one of those patterns that will give me headaches without reason. lol AKTATTER: AND AN "X" WITH AN EXTRA LINE Paule: could not remember how to write dowtoivsky AKTATTER: THAT FUNNY X = JOSEPHINE RING AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE LACE IN PINK Wally: Josephine Knot Sherong: not fully closed erin in tenn.: And half closed ones, at that. Cynthia: but they are half moon JK's right? AKTATTER: SO IT IS R 8 - 3 - 8 CLR RW Paule: JR in #6? AKTATTER: JOSEPHINE RING OF 7 HALF STITCHES BUT START AND END WITH A DS SO MAYBE DS 5 DS CLOSE PARTIALLY Bonnie: i'm lost... in #13? AKTATTER: RIGHT Riet de B-engel: no number 13 AKTATTER: AND OF COURSE THE INNER RINGS JOIN AT THE SIDE PICOTS AKTATTER: LINE 2 IN PATTERN 13 HAS A NEW CHARACTER IN IT THE X WITH A LINE THRU IT = JOSEPHINE RING Cynthia: we've jumped to 13...It didn't show for me at first...you have to make a space after the #14 to get it to show Bonnie: #13 line 2 = PZH - (7 direct knots) AKTATTER: THERE ARE #19 PATTERNS ON THE PAGE ALTOGETHER Bonnie: oh maybe because mine is translated? Wally: #7 is interesting how to make the onion ring AKTATTER: SO 7 WRAPS BUT I ALWAYS START AND END JR WITH DS DOES ANYONE ELSE DO THAT? Cynthia: yes it makes them lay better....I think erin in tenn.: I do both - depends on how big they are. Riet de B-engel: I never did it have to try Wally: nop. i do my half stitches only erin in tenn.: Little ones I don't erin in tenn.: Bigger ones I do. Paule: Sometimes I do G. AKTATTER: OK THEN I WILL TRY THE LITTLE ONES WITHOUT TO SEE ALSO AKTATTER: THNKS FOR THE TIP AKTATTER: OK THE ONION RING IS ONE SHUTTLE WORK Jon: Would like to stay, but I have to leave now. Have fun Comrades. Paule: What about the onion ring #7? AKTATTER: MAKE THE R 6 - 6 FIRST erin in tenn.: Goodnight, Jon! Riet de B-engel: By by Jon Wally: Masalama Jon AKTATTER: ENJOY THE DAY JON Angela: nighty nighty AKTATTER: MKE THE SECOND LARGER RING Jon: Thanks for the Russian lesson, Bye. Jon from x.x.x.59 left the chat 19 minutes ago AKTATTER: R 6 - 6 JOIN TO RING 1 6 - 6 CLOSE DNRW AKTATTER: ANOTEHR LARGER RING AKTATTER: R 6 JOIN 6 - 6 - CLR DNRW Wally: Ah, G I have a thank you for you in Arabic, so you can write it on the page too. it's shukran. :-) I keep forgeting to tell you AKTATTER: THIRD RING IS THE SMALLER ONE AKTATTER: R 6 - 6 CLOSE NRW AKTATTER: THANKS WALLY! ER SHUKRAN! AKTATTER: OK GOT THE ONION RING? AKTATTER: DOES EVERYONE KNOW THE ONION RING JOIN? Paule: Wait r 6-join 6-6-CLR Paule: Finosh with a picot? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/onion/onionhow2.html Wally: i got lost.... you make 1st the big ring of the OR and then the small one? AKTATTER: OPPS R 6 JOIN 6 JOINE TO RING 1 6 - 6 CLOSE DNRW AKTATTER: FIRST THE SMALL RING R 6 - 6 AKTATTER: THEN AROUND IT THE LARGE RING AKTATTER: R 6 - 6 JOIN TO RING 1 6 - 6 CLOSE RING DNRW Wally: ah, ok... Riet de B-engel: Isnīt it a join made by a ds as in a split chain AKTATTER: ANOTHER LARGER RING Bonnie: I didn't know that cool AKTATTER: R 6 JOIN TO LARGE RING 6 - 6 - 6 CLOSE RING DNRW Wally: Could be interesting if making the center ring without joining it. :-) AKTATTER: IT IS A RING THREAD JOIN RIET AKTATTER: REMEMBER YOU ARE WORKING WITH ONLY ONE SHUTTLE Riet de B-engel: It is not the join in the wheel Wally: Cynthia, did you got a package from Mary Maynard? AKTATTER: AND THE RING HAS TO CLOSE AROUND THE SMALLER RING Cynthia: yes Cynthia: some awesome thread Riet de B-engel: I must look that up Wally: So cool!!! I got mine today AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/onion/onionhow2.html SEE THE LOWER PHOTOS AKTATTER: IT IS ALSO ON JANE'S SITE BUT SHE CHANGED THE LINK AKTATTER: OK NOW WE CAN ALL FOLLOW THESE GREAT RUSSIAN PATTERNS AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? erin in tenn.: Da. Angela: no, I don't have any Cynthia: no I'm good Wally: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/MakingOnionRing.pdf AKTATTER: IS THAT DA AS IN "YES" OR AS IN "DUH!" LOL Wally: lol erin in tenn.: Well, that was Da as in "yes" but in reply to OK now we can all follow these great..... AKTATTER: SHUKRAN WALLY AKTATTER: OH OK DUH erin in tenn.: not "are there any more questions" - my timing is off tonight! erin in tenn.: So duh. erin in tenn.: LOL AKTATTER: WELL THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING SESSION FOR ME ANYHWAY Cynthia: for me too erin in tenn.: This is interesting. AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO RUTH RIET JANE AND MARY FOR SHARING THEIR WORK WITH US AKTATTER: AS WELL AS THE NAMELESS RUSSIAN TATTERS Wally: so much fun tonight! Will be greatly use for the sleepless m=night Riet de B-engel from x.x.x.50 joined the chat 10 minutes ago AKTATTER: IF YOU NEED MORE I HAVE SOME EYE CANDY Cynthia: definately thhanks to all those sharing their work Katie Verna: Thanks, Georgia and everyone! erin in tenn.: Oooooooo - eyecandy! Riet de B-engel: show it please Cynthia: sure I'd like some eye candy AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/bmagillblouse.jpg Bonnie: Thank you very much. I appreicate the lesson and all of your hard work. erin in tenn.: How adorable! Did Miss Betty do that? Cynthia: Thank you Georgia AKTATTER: betty Magill sent that to me Bonnie: CUTE AKTATTER: she folded and cut the paper Riet de B-engel: OOOHHH I am thinking about miss Betty from the Palmetto's AKTATTER: then made the slits for the colar and bent the paper forward AKTATTER: and then decorated the blouse with tatted buttons! erin in tenn.: And look at the little collar corners! Wally: Tyhat's so cute!!!!!!!!!!!!! AKTATTER: so cute AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/bmagillumbrella.jpg Riet de B-engel: yes I visit her evcery time when i am there vand she aklways gave me sme erin in tenn.: Now that is precious. erin in tenn.: She is such a kind and generous person - with all her gifts. Bonnie: again super cute... She is very talented AKTATTER: and this one is an umbrella cutr from old cards or wrapping paper AKTATTER: such a sweet notecard Riet de B-engel: Do you habve the card : it is a long tale Wally: That shirt gives me an idea for father's day. AKTATTER: what is the tale riet? erin in tenn.: I love the print on that umbrella - pansies and maidenhair fern. Riet de B-engel: She always use things that other poeple throw away AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/maria12poppies.jpg AKTATTER: good for recycling then too AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/mariaa12poppies.jpg erin in tenn.: Those poppies are beautiful! All of them together are stunning, too! erin in tenn.: I mean on your page - Wally: I wrote about tatter recycling today AKTATTER: a dozen poppies for the convention by maria alcantara from mexico Riet de B-engel: It is a dog with a verry long tail Betty plays with words AKTATTER: ok last call for questions AKTATTER: oh good one wally erin in tenn.: That's funny, Riet! Have you made Miss Norah a Monkey yet? AKTATTER: i bet there is a troop of monkeys coming Wally: http://needles-n-shuttles.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-day-tatters-recycling.html erin in tenn.: Georgia, this has been a fun lesson! AKTATTER: don't forget to mail in the poppies erin in tenn.: I hope I didn't get too far out of hand. erin in tenn.: It's been a monday. AKTATTER: and please send a donation for the scholarship fund to erin Riet de B-engel: No I was verry busy with the guild magazine, but started one AKTATTER: thank erin i really enjoyed it too nicocoer: I think I might want the Doily pattern after all. *ducks* Bonnie: Thank you. Goodnight erin in tenn.: Raymond just gave me the two minute warning that I'm about to turn into a pumpkin. Wally: Well, time to fill the shuttles. Thanks for the class. Night night ya'll erin in tenn.: You ladies have a wonderful night! erin in tenn.: Thanks one and al! Riet de B-engel: Good night Erin greetings to your husband nicocoer: night!!! Cynthia: thank you Georgia and everyone else... Mimi: Good night all, thanks for the lesson. Riet de B-engel: Thank you all for all the different things Riet de B-engel: night Paule: Good night everyone AKTATTER: looks like you've been studyting anne dyer already wally Mimi from x.x.x.224 left the chat 2 minutes ago AKTATTER: ah ha ok nico send me an email please Cynthia: Peace, my dinner is ready...yes it is late.... AKTATTER: thanks for stopping by all AKTATTER: good night and happy tatting all AKTATTER: may 31 history channel ice road truckers featuring my little brother george spears AKTATTER: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=george spears %2Bice road truckers&aq=o Riet de B-engel from x.x.x.50 left the chat 84 seconds ago AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 left the chat 78 seconds ago Sherong: Nite all Sherong from x.x.x.184 left the chat 36 seconds ago ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com