The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue May 12 01:31:12 2009 GMT (135 KB) Page 1 of 3 - Char 1 to 51247 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 cleared the room 6 hours ago AKTATTER: i TRIED TO CLEAR THE ROOM LOG FOR YOU THURSDDAY BUT THE T-STORMS KEPT ME OFF LINE Cynthia: Last Thurs I only had 3 people in the afternoon and maybe 5 in the evening... AKTATTER: I HAVE A NEWBIE FOR YOU, i WILL GO EMAIL SINCE WE ARE ALONE HERE Cynthia: I was hoping you weren't haveing bad storms... AKTATTER: they were AWFUL FOR A WHILE THURS AND FRI BOTH HAD TO UNPLUG EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE AKTATTER: AND THE RAIN! NOT SO VERY HARD BUT SO CONSTANT AKTATTER: STILL NO CROP IN THE FIELDS HERE AKTATTER: i ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT THE REFRIGERATOR BEING HIT BY LIGHTENING picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: WELCOME ! Cynthia: yes we've had almost 4 inches since Mar arrived....not usual here...It is usually in the upper 80's low 90's but so far today only mid 60's Cynthia: Hi picotsnkeys... AKTATTER: AT LEAST THE WEEKEND WAS NICE FOR M-DAY AKTATTER: IS THAT mARY? picotsnkeys: Hi all! Please call me Melanie or Mel if picotsnkeys is akward for you ;) AKTATTER: AH MEL Cynthia: It was rainy all day....Hi Melanie.... Cynthia: I can never remember names...it takes me awhile AKTATTER: MEL ARE YOU HERE FOR PT 2 OF NEEDLE TATTING? AKTATTER: OR JUST EARLY FOR CLASS? picotsnkeys: Yes. I'm trying to sit in so that I can get better with techniques picotsnkeys: I taught myself, and need to improve AKTATTER: OK GOOD, WHERE ARE YOU IN YOUR JOURNEY? CAN YOU WRAP THE DS OK AND USE CUT THREAD TO MAKE RINGS? Cynthia: Melanie needle or shuttle? picotsnkeys: I've been succesful in needle tatting. Probably in between begginner and intermediate picotsnkeys: I've also shuttle tat. Same for level. AKTATTER: OK MEL HOW ABOUT SPLIT RING AND SPLIT CHAIN ON THE NEEDLE? Cynthia: awesome.... picotsnkeys: I always have to practise before executing, but am comfortable climbing out with needle or shuttle picotsnkeys: my main issue is always tension AKTATTER: GOOD, NOW ABOUT JOINS, DO YOU USE UP OR DOWN JOIN? picotsnkeys: both, as seems appropriate in the pattern. Although sometimes I discover I'm wrong after I finish and try to block LOL Norag from x.x.x.140 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: LOL Norag: Hello everyone AKTATTER: HI ELNORA! AKTATTER: OK MEL DID YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTION ON NEEDLE TATTING? Cynthia: Hi Elnora picotsnkeys: How is best to keep a ring or chain from twisting as you pull them off the needle onto the core thread? AKTATTER: ELNORA ANYY QUESTIONS ON NEEDLE TATTING TODAY? AKTATTER: YOUHOLD THE DS BETWEEN THE THMUB AND FOREFINGER OF THE LEFT HAND LIKE YOU ARE HOLDING A SANDWICH AKTATTER: AND KEEP HOLD OF THEM UNTIL ALL THE SLACK IS PULLED OUT Norag: no not doing it. picotsnkeys: right hand holding the needle? Norag: been working on hairpin lace AKTATTER: ALSO, REMEMBER THAT AS YOU PULL O NTHE CARRYING CORD TO CLOSE THE RING PULL IN A CIRCLE COMING TOWARDS YOU SO TAHT THE THREADS ARE NOT FIGHTING EACH OTHER AKTATTER: I SWITCH TO THE LEFT HAND TO SLIDE THE DS OFF THE NEEDLE Norag: will get to it later AKTATTER: HAIRPIN LACE GREAT ELNORA! AKTATTER: HOPE GREEN HAS MADE A LOVELY BUTTERFLY IN HP LACE Norag: made two piecs and finally got the lace right today. did it my way though AKTATTER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON NEEDLE TATTING? AKTATTER: THAT IS GOOD PROGRESS ELNORA Norag: ready to start 2nd row. picotsnkeys: not at the moment. Cynthia's help last Thursday was wonderful. I'll try to sit in on Thursday again. AKTATTER: SUPER! Norag: yes always making mistakwes then have to start from beginning AKTATTER: OK THE PATTERN FOR THE NEXT HOUR IS A CLUNY PATTERN picotsnkeys: looks gorgeous! AKTATTER: mIMI HAS NEEDLE TATTING INSTRUCTIONS FOR IT Cynthia: that looks like fun too but I haven't mastered the cluny yet.... AKTATTER: http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instructneedle.htm AKTATTER: NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT CYN Norag: I' be able to make something from the piec i sent you plus this one i didn't finish. it looks a lot like it coiuld make a nice fan. AKTATTER: SOUNDS LIKE A POSIBILITY ELNORA, CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT Marie Smith from x.x.x.178 joined the chat 6 hours ago Cynthia: true...I've actually had less trouble with them than that darn split chain. I can't do it if there is anything hooked to it! I know I'll conquer it eventually Norag: looking forward to the cluny. did it before. Jane Eb from x.x.x.45 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: eLISA'S VIDEOS http://www.dailymotion.com/Elisadusud AKTATTER: WELCOME MARIE :) Cynthia: Hi Jane and Marie Norag: Hi Cynthia. Norag: Just got the pattern a little while ago for the cluny. Marie Smith: Hi GA, Jane, Cynthia, Elnora Cynthia: Hi Elnora.... AKTATTER: WELCOME jANE THANKS FOR THE LINKS Marie Smith: Who else is here? Jane Eb: Hi folks picotsnkeys: Hi all, I'm Mel or Melanie Norag: Hi Marie, Jane Eb and all others. Marie Smith: Yes, Melanie Marie Smith: How are you? Marie Smith: Are you all still needle tatting? picotsnkeys: I'm excited to be stretching myself with this class Cynthia: getting started on today's class actually and just chatting.... picotsnkeys: Didn't get much tatting time this last week, the week is busy also Cynthia: brb Marie Smith: But we try to tat everyday don"t we? :-) Norag: T Norag: k AKTATTER: JUST SENT YOU ANOTHER ONE SYN Mary R from x.x.x.74 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: I HAVE A PROBLEM THAT I HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME FIGURE OUT Marie Smith: What GA? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/russianKlejchainshoneycomb.jpg AKTATTER: THIS IS A TECHNIQUE SHOWN IN THE KLEJMENOVA BOOK FRIVOLITE I RUSSIAN AKTATTER: IT MAKES AN HEXAGONAL LOOKING "RING" BUT THE SAMPLE SHOWS CHAINS AKTATTER: AND THE CHAINS HAVE ONLY 1 PICOT ON THEM AKTATTER: BUT THE LINE BETWEEN THE "RINGS" LOOK TO BE AS LEAST 2-3 DS Marie Smith: Yes, it does skfuller from x.x.x.34 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: AND IF IT IS ALL CHAINS THEN HOW DOES THAT "BRIDGE" GET TO BE SO LONG BETWEEN THE RINGS? Marie Smith: Hi Sue and Mary R picotsnkeys: k Norag: k Mary R: Hi All AKTATTER: IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PICOTS THEY ARE NOT SHOWN IN THE FIRST ROW Norag: brb skfuller: hello everyone AKTATTER: WELCOME SUSAN, MARY GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH AnneB from x.x.x.19 joined the chat 6 hours ago Marie Smith: I believe that they have ds over ds or something like that AnneB: Hi all! Marie Smith: Hi Anne Cynthia: Hi Anne AKTATTER: OK THEN LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM picotsnkeys: Hi Anne AKTATTER: THERE IS A HEAVY BLACL LINE GOING THRU IT picotsnkeys: k Marie Smith: I am going to try it. Do we have time before class? AKTATTER: IS THE SAME MANNER THAT WE USE TO MARK THE PARK AKTATTER: PATH OF A LIVE OF SPLIT RINGS AKTATTER: SURE WE HAVE 10 MIN OPEN CHAT NOW AKTATTER: THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/russianKlejchainshoneycomb.jpg AKTATTER: ICAN'T FIGURE OUT THE PATTERN AND AM SEEKING HELP DorcasAnn from x.x.x.9 joined the chat 6 hours ago Marie Smith: When section 10 comes back to join between 6 & 7, did they just ds over part of the ch? Linda-S from x.x.x.7 joined the chat 6 hours ago Linda-S: Hi all!! Raelara from x.x.x.53 joined the chat 6 hours ago Marie Smith: Hi Dorcas and Linda Raelara: hi all AKTATTER: AT THE INTERSECTION OF 6,7 AND 10 IS THE ONLY SPOT THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT AS IF IT WERE TWO CHAINS? AKTATTER: WELCOME LIND AND RAE Marie Smith: Hi Rae Norag: Georgia,there are 5 chains,p,5ch,p,5ch, med. p, 5 ch,and on 2nd row looks like the 1st row is joined to 3 chains AKTATTER: DURING THE OPEN CHAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS PATTERN WORKS AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/russianKlejchainshoneycomb.jpg Norag: it goes across top row Bob from x.x.x.144 joined the chat 6 hours ago DorcasAnn: hello everyone; the Russian chain looks interesting. MJB may or may not be Bob: Hallo All. Marie Smith: I think it is being worked in cronological order Cynthia: Hi Bob Jenny from x.x.x.142 joined the chat 6 hours ago Bob: Sorry I'm late, have we signed in yet? DorcasAnn: here; her mouse just froze up AnneB: My first thought is chains moving back and forth Cynthia: not yet just chatting Jenny: Hi Sorry I'm late AKTATTER: NOT YET WE ARE PUZZLING OVER A P[ATTERN Raelara: the join looks to be a little off center Marie Smith: Hi Bob Norag: first5ch,p,5ch i don't know yet Marie Smith: Hey Jenny Raelara: like, the working chain is running up and down in the picture, but the join is one stitch off of the picot Norag: i don't know yet Raelara: or maybe there are two joins at each corner AKTATTER: THE PICOTS BETWEEN LINE 2 AND 3 MUST BE ONE THAN JUST ONE WE CAN SEE AT LEAST 2 DS IN THAT SPACE BEFORE THE NEXT CHAIN STARTS AKTATTER: HI JENNY DORCAS AKTATTER: oH DORCAS I POSTED THE PHOTO AND WILL ADD IT TO THE INDEX PAGE LATER TODAY Marie Smith: I think a ds is worked over the picot join on the return rows Raelara: the other possibility I see is something like this: 5 -1 1 5 AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/rivercitytatguildbanner.jpg Yohan23 from x.x.x.78 joined the chat 6 hours ago Raelara: 5 picot 1 join to previous chain 1 join to picot on same chain 5 Bob: Wow! That's pretty! AKTATTER: COULD THERE BE A BARE SPACE OF THREAD BETWEEN 2 AND 3 AKTATTER: THAT WE COVER BY WRAPPING ON THE NEXT PASS? AKTATTER: YES THAT BANNER WAS JUST CHARMING DorcasAnn: Thank you Marie Smith: GA it is just 5 or so ds, picot, 5 ds, to the end of the row Raelara: maybe AKTATTER: OK NOW IF YOU MAKE THAT ROW Marie Smith: Turn and go back with same count but ds over the spot that makes the join of the honeycomb AnneB: My first go would be: 5-5mp5-5mp5-5mp5-5mp5-5-5 (join to mp) 5-5 and so on AKTATTER: THEN THE ROW BACK IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM THE ROWS ONTHE EDGES AnneB: and somewhere do a RW AnneB: mp = mock picot Marie dla Chaume from x.x.x.23 joined the chat 6 hours ago AKTATTER: OK THAT SOUNDS DOABLE MARIE, BUT WEIRD WAY TO DO IT picotsnkeys: brb Marie dla Chaume: hello girls Yohan23: Dorcas-I hope to meet you on Wed. when you come to MJB. Joanne AKTATTER: ANNE JOIN TO MP OR OVER MP? DorcasAnn: Good, bring your shuttle AKTATTER: WELCOME MARIE Norag: when you et to end of 1st row it cis reversed avndcomes back across making it look like a square Marie Smith: The ds are upside down on 2nd row because you are working back across Cynthia: Hi Marie Norag: get Marie Smith: Hi Marie Marie dla Chaume: Hello Georgia, Gorgeous Patch with tatting AKTATTER: BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SQUARE AnneB: to mp. I'd have to do some tatting test but that is where I'd start DorcasAnn: Joanne, I can't come until Thursday now AKTATTER: I THINK ITIS SUPPOSED TO BE SIX-SIDED Marie dla Chaume: lo Cynthia, Norag, Marie, Picots, Anne, Dorcas!!! AKTATTER: WELL ALL HELP ON THIS IS WELCOME AKTATTER: OK SHOULD WE SIGN IN NOW? Yohan23: Dorca- okay I will bring my schuttle Joanne DorcasAnn: Does it have Russian directions? Norag: i see 4 sides AKTATTER: MAY 11, 2009 CLUNY TATTING CLUNY HEART BY ELISA DU SUD WITH AID OF MIMI DILLMAN AND MARIE D L C AFTERNOON SESSION Norag: hi Maria JB from x.x.x.30 joined the chat 6 hours ago DorcasAnn: There is a Russian community here in town and girl plays violin in th orchestra Yohan23: Dorcas- that is okay - i will meet you on Thursday. AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA Bob: Ria Bob Kishen, Edinburgh, UK. riakishen AT yahoo DOT com Marie Smith: The end of the 1st row when turned will make a square turned on point Raelara: Jenni Sherriff San Lorenzo, CA raelara@gmail.com AnneB: Anne Bruvold, Tromsø, Norway DorcasAnn: Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN, USA Marie dla Chaume: Marie de la Chaume, Chateauroux,France, icollas @ free.fr JB: JulieBoch Providence RI picotsnkeys: Melanie Cervi picotsnkeys Los Gatos, California AKTATTER: PLEAS GIVE OUR GREETINGS TO THE RIVER CITY TATTING GULID DORCAS! Marie dla Chaume: (just in time...) Marie Smith: Marie Smith USA tattingwithmarie at yahoo Yohan23: Joanne, Santa Claus, IN, USA Linda-S: Linda Harrington, l_m_harrington@yahoo.com, Largo, MD AnneB: solurab @ online.no (sorry :-) Marie dla Chaume: Elisa du sud, tu es la??? DorcasAnn: I will, we go to Lincoln City, IN for a bicentennial ceremony this Thursday Norag: it could be 6 because it looks like the ds are joine maybe 2 ds? AKTATTER: AND ELISA DU SUD SENDS HER GREETINGS TO THE CLASS AND SHE HOPES THAT WE WILL ENJOY THE CLUNY HEART. Jenny: Jenny Griffin England AKTATTER: SHE WAS AFRAID SHE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BE WITH US TODAY. DorcasAnn: Joanne, MJB said to take a packed lunch AKTATTER: MAYBE SO ELNORA AKTATTER: BEFORE CLASS STARTED I ASKED FOR HELP IN FIGURING OUT THIS PATTERN AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/russianKlejchainshoneycomb.jpg Norag: Elnora Garcia ceg43@comcast.net, Danville, Va.. AKTATTER: IF ANYONE HAS TIME TO WORK ON IT MUCH OBLIGED AKTATTER: NOW FOR TODAY WE CLUNY! Mary R: Mary Robinson PeachtreeCottage@comcast.net GA, USA AKTATTER: IS CLUNY TATTING NEW TO ANYONE HERE TODAY? skfuller: Sue Fuller Loveland CO rlskfuller@comcast.net Linda-S: Yes, me! picotsnkeys: I've never attempted it, looks gorgeous AnneB: This is what keeps turing my tatting schedule upside down; a challenging puzzle :-) Bob: I haven't done much clunying, but have a little. AnneB: I just have to look closer at the honey comb AKTATTER: LOL I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAND! Raelara: sort of new skfuller: I have that Russian book -trying to eat & study it with a sm magnifying glassd! AKTATTER: OK THE BASICS OF CLUNY TATTING Raelara: but I played with it some to figure out the cluny eggs Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo.co, Norag: The cluny work on Elisa's page is absolutely beautiful. AKTATTER: I REFERED TO TTHIS AS "DEATH GRIP TATTING" IN MY BOOKS :) Marie dla Chaume: (About ElisaduSud, I have left a message with the way how to come here) Norag: I imagine all she does is tat. Yohan23: Dorcas-- I will bring my lunch. Joanne AKTATTER: ISN'T IT JUST LOVELY ELNORA DID YOU SEE THE NEW BROOCHES AND FLOWERS RECETNL POSTED AKTATTER: THANKS MARIE skfuller: I think Norag has right idea - come of the joins look to me like they have a small space between 2 joins AKTATTER: IT IS A HAR JOB SUSAN Norag: I did it years ago. AKTATTER: YOUR HAND skfuller: like join skip 1 ds join AKTATTER: BECOMES A LOOM Marie dla Chaume: here she is Marie dla Chaume: http://elisadusud.canalblog.com/ AKTATTER: AND YOU WRAP THE BALL/SH2 THREAD AROUND THE HAND AKTATTER: IN THE MOST PECULIAR FASHION Mimi from x.x.x.11 joined the chat 6 hours ago Norag: yes Bob: It is peculiar, no arguments here! AKTATTER: LOL Marie dla Chaume: Her videos help a lot, she does not speak so anyone can understand Marie dla Chaume: http://www.dailymotion.com/Elisadusud AKTATTER: AND YOU TAKE THE SHUTTLE/NEEDLE AKTATTER: AND WEAVE IT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE LEGS OF THE LOOM AKTATTER: WHILE AT THE SAME TIME Norag: Watch a video. That helps. Under 2 threads then return under the middle thread AKTATTER: ALTERNATING BOTH THE LENGTH OF THE "STITCH" OR "PASS" AKTATTER: AND THE TIGHTNESS OF THE THREAD Norag: the 2 outside threads Norag: sorry AKTATTER: AND MAKING THE OVERALL PATTERN OF THE "CLUNY" COME OUT SORT OF LIKE A LEAF AKTATTER: YSE AND THERE ARE SOME VEDEOS POSTED TOO ELNORA AKTATTER: ON THAT LINK MARIE JUST GAVE US Jenny: I wish I had this video when I first made Clunies it is so clear AKTATTER: http://www.dailymotion.com/Elisadusud Marie dla Chaume: Yes it comes out quite easily, though practising you become better and better Norag: It really looks more difficult than it really is, I think. AKTATTER: SO TO DESCRIBE IT MAKES ME SHUDDER AT THE THOUGHT! AKTATTER: BUT AKTATTER: MIMI DILLMAN MAKES IT LOOK SO EASY Marie dla Chaume: Georgia, your words about it are so clear!!! AKTATTER: IF THE DEATH GRIP APPROACH DOES NOT APPEL AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: APPEAL AKTATTER: THEN DO AS i HAVE DONE, LEARN TO MAKE A LOOM AKTATTER: YOU CAN MAKE A LOOM JUST FROM PLASTIC AKTATTER: http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/loom-1.html Marie dla Chaume: what is a loom??? Marie dla Chaume: please DorcasAnn: I use the cluny loom by Lorraine Eisbrenner AKTATTER: LOOK HERE MARIE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/patclunyloom.html Marie dla Chaume: I just did... My question was too late... AKTATTER: THAT IS A GOOD ONE DORCAS AND THE FIRST ONE I EVER USED Norag: k Mimi: Anything that helps replace a very tired hand helps :) AKTATTER: OR YOU CAN USE A PREMADE PLASTIC CANVAS START Mimi: But I would caution you AKTATTER: AS IT PAT'S LOOM Mimi: Be very careful when positioning the work and the loom AKTATTER: WELCOME MIMI AKTATTER: YES? Mimi: To make sure that you make the leaf connect as close to the previous work as you can Mimi: sorry had a typing hesitation :) AKTATTER: DIANNA STEVENS GAEV ME A TIP ALSO Marie dla Chaume: listening AKTATTER: SHE DRAWS THE SHAPE OF THE CLUNY LEAF AS SHE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE Raelara: k AKTATTER: AND THEN TAPES THE DRAWING TO THE BACK OF HER LOOM Bob: k Mimi: (If I use a loom I position the previous work on the front of the loom, not the back) AKTATTER: IT SHOWS THRU THE PLASTIC AND HELPS YOU GET IT RIGHT Norag: th Marie dla Chaume: OK Mimi: That's a great tip for this one Georgia Norag: that is a good tip Mimi: Elisa's beautiful leaves Mimi: Are a trifle longer than the ones I've seen in antique patterns AKTATTER: SO USING HAND OR LOOM Mimi: And longer than the ones I was accustomed to making before AKTATTER: YOU WARP THE HAND AKTATTER: ERR WRAP Mimi: Either one!! Mimi: It's warp threads :) AKTATTER: WELL MAYBE BY THE TIME THE CLUNY LEANF IS DONE IT WILL BE "WARP" :) AKTATTER: HOLD THE FINISHED WORK IN THE PINCH Marie dla Chaume: Hum... what is warp??? I do not catch the fun... (sorry) AKTATTER: BRING THE BALL THREAD UP AND OVER THE THE MIDDLE FINGER ACROSS TO THE RING FINGER AND DOWN INTO THE PINCH Mimi: Weavers terminology: "warp" for the still threads AKTATTER: TO WARP = TO BEND OUT OF SHAPE Mimi: "weft" for the thread that weaves between the warp threads AKTATTER: LEAVE A LOOP OF THREAD HANGING DOWN FROM THNE PINCH AKTATTER: BRING THE THREAD UP AGAIN AND OVER THE MIDDLE FINGER Norag: k AKTATTER: AND OVER TO THE PINKIE FINGER AND WRAP SEVERAL TURNS TO "TIE IT OFF" AKTATTER: BEWARE OF WRAPPING THE PINKY TOO TIGHT IT CUTS OFF CIRULATION Marie dla Chaume: Thanks Georgia AKTATTER: NOW MIMI THE QUESTION IS AKTATTER: DO WE SET ON REGULAR DS FIRST Marie dla Chaume: Mimi, thanks AKTATTER: OR BEGIN TO WEAVE AT ONCE? Mimi: I do the latters AKTATTER: OK THEN AKTATTER: USING SHUTTLE OR NEEDLE APPROACH FROM THE RIGHT SIDE AKTATTER: GO UNDER, OVER THE MIDDLE THREAD AND UNDER AKTATTER: THEN COME BACK THE OPPOSITE WAY Mimi: Some may like the ds at the beginning to help set the point at the bottom. You can do the same with waeaving. Just be very certain you don't flip the stitches whatever you do. AKTATTER: OVER, UNDER THE MIDDLE THREAD AND OVER AKTATTER: ONE ROUND TRIP = ONE PASS AKTATTER: IN THIS PATTERN TODAY YOU SEE THE NOTE AKTATTER: ALL CLUNIES ARE 20 WRAPS Bob: I didn't know about doing an unflipped DS at the start. That's useful to know. AKTATTER: OR 20 PASSES Norag: k Raelara: the cluny egg pattern said 12 AKTATTER: KNOWING THAT IT IS 20 PASSES Raelara: I thought, anyway DorcasAnn: do you consider one pass as going both ways? Mimi: That's right Raelara AKTATTER: WE NOW KNOW THAT THE MIDPOINT WILL BE AFTER THE 10TH TRIP Raelara: so, it is different for each pattern? AKTATTER: A ROUND TRIP = ONE PASS AKTATTER: YES RAE Raelara: I guess I didn't read it that way Mimi: It can be Raelara, so please read carefully AKTATTER: WE WILLBEGIN BY MAKING A VERY TINY PASS, SO PULL NEARLY ALL THE SLACK FROM YOUR PASS AKTATTER: USE THE POINT OF THE SHUTTLE/NEEDLE/CROCHET HOOK Mimi: That's one of my cautions. The otehr is that not all designers have bought into 1 pass = 1 round trip Marie dla Chaume: *_* AKTATTER: TO SLIDE THE THREADS DOWN AND TIGHTEN UP Mimi: So read with care to make sure that you udnerstand their directions (otherwise your leaves might be twice as large as desired) AKTATTER: THEN AS WE MKE MORE PASSES AKTATTER: WE MAKE IT LESS TIGHT UNTIL IT BALLONS OUTWARD AT THE MIDDLE Norag: k AKTATTER: AT THE MIDPOINT THEN WE BEGIN TO NARROW THE PASSES AGAIN AKTATTER: UNTIL WE REACH THE POINT AKTATTER: AND THEN THE REAL FUN BEGINS!!! Mimi: Yes, very fun to let circulation return to your fingers :) AKTATTER: RIGHT! AKTATTER: WE TAKE THE LOOM OFF THE HAND AKTATTER: TO LEARN THIS PROPERLY I ADVISE LAYING THE WHOLE MESS AKTATTER: ERRR AKTATTER: THE WORK ON THE TABLE Marie dla Chaume: From conversation with Elisa, she told me she does not count... but she has some Clunyes on her hands... Mimi: Section 3 of http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instruct.htm is where she is Raelara: lol Marie dla Chaume: A bit late, but the telephone rang Mimi: Intersting Marie. When I count hers they are almost all right on 20! Sometimes as long as 25 but that's rarer AKTATTER: "i'VE GOT CLUNY ON MY HANDS" AKTATTER: SOUNDS LIKE A BLUES SONG TO ME Mimi: At least you didn't say C&W Bob: Take it off?! Does it not all unravel? Mimi: There's always someone really sad in C&W Mimi: No Bob it doesn't! AKTATTER: NOW REMEMBER THAT LOOP YOU LEFT FLOPPING IN THE BREEEZE Mimi: Check the photos in That's what answering machines are for :) section 3 AKTATTER: WHEN WE STARTED TO WRAP Mimi: Oops cut and paste got me AKTATTER: IF YOUR LOOP IS GONE YOU ARE IN TROUBLE picotsnkeys: I'd be sad if my loom unraveled! Mimi: Check photos for section 3 in http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instruct.htm Mimi: You'll see the loops and weaving Marie dla Chaume: C&W (country and Western???) the French cannot understand today! Mimi: off the hand Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 5 hours ago Mimi: right Marie AKTATTER: BUT IT IS IT THERE THEN GENTLY PULL DOWN ON THE LOOP AKTATTER: IF YOU SEE SH1/NEELD EMOVING STOP AKTATTER: PULL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOOP AKTATTER: I ALSO SPREAD MY FINGER OUT OVER THE WORK AKTATTER: AND INTO OR ON THE THREADS AKTATTER: TO P[REVENT TWISTING OR TANGLING Mimi: Me too - keeping a finger in the loop like I do when closing a ring AKTATTER: WHEN THE SLACK IS PULLED DOWN TO THE BOTTOM Marie dla Chaume: It's fun to make, but I thing, like with bobbins, practices makes you get the "clunies in the hands" AKTATTER: THEN TAKE THE SH1/NEELDE Mimi: It's no easier to close a cluny than it is a ring when the ring threads twist AKTATTER: AND PULL GENTLY UPWARDS Mimi: Exactly Marie, practice is the key AKTATTER: IF THE THREAD WILL NOT MOVE STOP YOU ARE IN TROUBLE Norag: k AKTATTER: BUT IF THE SH1/NEEDLE MOVES SMOOTHELY UPWARD AND OUTWARD AKTATTER: YOU WILL SEE THE SLACK DISAPPEAR Marie dla Chaume: (Mimi, I have the same (zebrano) silent tatter shuttle...) AKTATTER: AND THE CLUNY WILL HAVE TWO THREADS EXITING AKTATTER: AT THE TOP JUST LIKE A SPLIT RING Mimi: Mine is not a Silent Tatter. It's a GR8 original. I love zebrawood. AKTATTER: NOW I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS AKTATTER: BUT THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MUST JUST "DO" TO LEARN AKTATTER: ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS? Marie dla Chaume: No question up to now... Norag: mimi AKTATTER: OK THEN MIMI Norag: k AKTATTER: WILL YOU TALK US THROUGH THIS LOVELY HEART PLEASE? Kate from x.x.x.103 joined the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia: no I actually understand what I'm supposed to be doing now.... Norag: Mimi iis that wood light weight? Marie dla Chaume: Hello Kate! Cynthia: where is the pattern? Kate: Hi all! Sorry I'm late. I keep forgetting. :b AnneB: Ah - I had a shuttle available and decided to give it a try - now i know what you get when making a cluney with one shuttle Raelara: are the flat shuttles better for this?? AKTATTER: YOUR DIAGRAM BTW IS JUST EXCELLENT AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/clunyheart.html AnneB: a cluney ring LOL AKTATTER: WELCOME KATE Marie dla Chaume: Yes rather light, Norag, AKTATTER: FLAT SHUTTLE AND NEEDLES MOVE VERY SMOOTHLY IN THIS WEAVING BUT SO DOES ANY SHUTTLE AKTATTER: MIMI? Mimi: No Zebrawood is a hardwood Mimi: Any shuttle works for weaving Mimi: I find that those with picks on the front may be tricky for some AKTATTER: BTW THE FRENCH VERSION OF THIS PATTERN IS ALSO POSTED AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/CoeurCluny2FR.htm Mimi: So you may find that you are happier if the hsuttle is positioned end-first (pick-last) when reading Mimi: er, when WEAVING AKTATTER: IF MY SHUTTLE HAS A PICK ONTEH FRONT I TURN IT AROUND AND GO "BUTT" FIRST Bob: I think I need to pracice some more :) AKTATTER: LOL MIMI IS SO MUCH MORE POLITE THAN I Mimi: Sorry I was away a minute Norag: k Mimi: You wanted me to talk through the working path? AKTATTER: JUST GET US STARTED PLEASE Krystledawne from x.x.x.20 joined the chat 5 hours ago AKTATTER: WELCOME KRYSTLE Mimi: I'll work from the diagram I made Krystledawne: Wwwwaaaaaah I forgot again about class today! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/clunyheart.html Mimi: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/mimicoeurclunyheartdia.jpg AKTATTER: GLAD YOU MADE IT Krystledawne: krystledawne@gmail.com Puyallup WA Mimi: The diagram has numbers in/by each element AKTATTER: MIMI IS ABOUT TO TALK US THRU THE START OF THIS CLUNY HEART Krystledawne: I've never done clunies before either Mimi: Rings, chains and clunies Krystledawne: awesome! Mimi: We start the pattern with a ring which forms the "cleavage" as Georgia calls it AKTATTER: :) Mimi: I marked this ring "1" in a red circle ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue May 12 01:31:37 2009 GMT (136 KB) Page 2 of 3 - Char 51248 to 102411 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ MJB from x.x.x.166 joined the chat 5 hours ago Mimi: It's 6 p 3 p 6 Norag: that's a good size pattern Mimi Mimi: You'll reverse work and do chain 2 MJB: sorry I am late., dead batteries Norag: I can see that AKTATTER: GLAD TO SEE YOU MARUJANE Mimi: Short chain is all, 4 ds MJB: thanks Mimi: put the first shuttle down and pick up the 2nd to do ring 3 Marie dla Chaume: Mimi, could you write in capitals? Mimi: 3 p 3 Mimi: SORRY AKTATTER: OH GOOD IDEA! Mimi: tHEN WE DO CHAIN 4 Mimi: WHICH IS ACTUALLY A CONTINUATION OF CHAIN 2 AKTATTER: OK Mimi: YOU'LL PUT DOWN SHUTTLE 2, PICK UP SHUTTLE 1 AND MAKE A CHAIN OF 3 MORE DS Mimi: ALL THE SPLIT RINGS AND RINGS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HEART AKTATTER: THE SPLIT RINGS HAVE THE RED LINE THROUGH THEM Mimi: HAVE 6 DS ON ONE "SIDE" AND 3 P 1 P 1 P 3 ON THE OTHER SIDE Mimi: RIGHT GEORGIA Marie dla Chaume: *_* Mimi: THAT WAY THE TATTER CAN TELL WHICH TYPE TO MAKE... ONCE THEY CAN SEE THE WORKING PATH AKTATTER: AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE PROPER SHUTTLE Mimi: mAKE 2 SPLIT RINGS IN A ROW AKTATTER: IN HAND AS THE COLOR COMBINATION IS IMPORTANT TO THE DESIGN Mimi: AND THAT'S WHY THIS ONE IS DONE IN 2 COLORS, SO YOU CAN SEE Mimi: MAKE SURE THAT THE COLOR ON YOUR HAND IN RING POSITION IS THE COLOR FOR THE 1ST HALF OF THE SPLIT RING - OR THE COLOR OF THE REGULAR RING Mimi: SORRY THAT'S 3 SPLIT RINGS IN A ROW picotsnkeys: k AKTATTER: K Mimi: 3 P 1 P 1 P 3 / 6 FOR EACH Bob: k Mimi: THIS WILL FORM THE TOP PART OF THE HEART Mimi: tHE SIDE OF THE HEART WILL BE DONE A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME Krystledawne from x.x.x.20 joined the chat 5 hours ago Mimi: BECAUSE YOU'LL BE WEAVING THE CLUNIES AND AMKING THE RINGS A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME Mimi: eLEMENT #8 IS A CLUNY Mimi: TO MAKE IT BLUE, MAKE SURE YOU LOOM YOUR HAND WITH WHITE AKTATTER: I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE HAND AGETS A REST BETWEEN THE CLUNIES Mimi: LEAVING THE BLUE THREAD SHUTTLE FOR WEAVING Mimi: CLUNIES ARE ALWAYS THE COLOR OF THE *WEAVING* THREAD Norag: k JB from x.x.x.30 left the chat 5 hours ago Mimi: AFTER THIS FIRST CLUNY, MAKE A SMALL RING 3 DS JOIN TO FIRST RING, THEN 3DS AKTATTER: GOOD NOTE TO MAKE Marie dla Chaume: *_* Bob: k Mimi: AFTER THAT RING, REPOSITION YOUR WORK Mimi: YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE THREADS AND HOW THEY DEPART THE ELEMENTS BEFORE Mimi: I'M AT WORK AND DON'T HAVE SHUTTLES/TATTING WITH ME (GASP) AKTATTER: OH MY! Mimi: BUT I SEEM TO RECALL THAT I DID NOT REVERSE WORK BEFORE MAKING THE CLUNY MARKED 10 Mimi: BUT INSTEAD I *ROTATED* THE WORK AKTATTER: I DON'T SEE A RW BEFORE CLUNY 10 Mimi: SO THAT THE TOP OF THE RING JUST MADE WAS IN MY PINCH, AND THE REST OF THE WORK WAS AWAY FROM ME Mimi: I FIND IT'S BEST TO MAKE THE CLUNY LEAF IN THE POSITION YOU WANT IT TO BE IN YOUR WORK Mimi: THEY DON'T MOVE AROUND WELL AFTER CLOSING :) Mimi: DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AKTATTER: TO DETERMINE RW TURN, FLIP OR ROTATE LOOK HERE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/turningwork.html Mimi: POSITION THE WORK SO THAT YOU'RE WEAVING THE LCUNY AWAY FROM YOU Raelara: yes AKTATTER: OK picotsnkeys: k Mimi: AFTER MAKING CLUNY 10, IT'S TIME TO WORK ON THE SIDE OF THE HEART AGAIN Mimi: THIS IS ONE OF THE KEYS OF THIS PATTERN Bob: with you so far AKTATTER: I KNOW YOUR LUNCH HOUR MUST BE ALMOST UP MIMI Mimi: YOU WILL MAKE A RING THAT GOES TO THE *LEFT* AKTATTER: ARE THERE QUICK QUESTIONS FOR MIMI? Norag: k Marie dla Chaume: Not me... Mimi: YOU WILL MAKE RING #11 WITH 6DS, JOIN TO THE BASE OF THE FIRST LEAF (BETWEEN THE LEAF AND SR) Mimi: THEN 3 P 1 P 1 P 3 Mimi: tHEN SPLIT RING #12 Mimi: AND YOU'RE BACK IN FAMILIAR TERRITORY Jenny: Thank you Mimi for such a clear diagram Marie dla Chaume: I love your Familiar Territory Mimi: YOU'RE WELCOME AKTATTER: MIMI'S DIAGRAM HAS TAKEN ALL THE "SCARE" OUT OF THE CLUNY PATTERN FOR ME Mimi: I LEFT SOME OTHER NOTES IN THE PATTERN Marie dla Chaume: And I agree with Georgia, great diagram! Mimi: WITH TIPS FOR HOW TO HANDLE SOME OF THE TRICKIER BITS AKTATTER: I THANK ELISA DU SUD SO MUCH FOR SHARING HER WOR KWITH USE Mimi: OR AT LEAST, HOW *I* FOUND IT EASIEST TO APPROACH THEM. AKTATTER: MARIE YOU WERE A GREAT HELP IN COMMUNICATING WITH ELISA Mimi: MAYBE YOU FOUND SOMETHING BETTER, I'D LOVE TO HEAR. Mimi: Thanks indeed Marie! Marie dla Chaume: I will tell her EVERYTHING of our class... AKTATTER: AND MIMI THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR CLARITY IN WORKING THIS LOVELY HEART Norag: Thank you Mimi great instructions Cynthia: definately, AK...I agree Mimi has taken the scary part out of clunies Mimi: It's a very pretty pattern. I love Elisa's work. So elegant AKTATTER: OK THIS LESSON REPEATS TONIGHT AKTATTER: 8:30PM ET NEW YORK TIME Bob: Thanks Mimi. Krystledawne: Did we go over basic cluny instructions at all? Mimi: I'll try my best to be more on time for tonight's lesson - traffic permitting AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: YES WE DID KRYSTLE AND WILL DO AGAIN TONIGHT Marie dla Chaume: OK... See if I sleep at he repeat class... Cynthia: drive carefully Mimi... Marie dla Chaume: I should practice it before coming back Krystledawne: Ok. It's harder to make second class, but I will try! Mimi: I may stay here Cynthia, we'll see! AKTATTER: THANKS YOU ALL FOR STOPPING BY TODAY! Mimi: How are you doing Krystle? How's the baby? Cynthia: and thank you! picotsnkeys: thank you for the great explanations! Krystledawne: I am walking false labor at this point! Mimi: THanks for the lesson, AK! I'll look tonight a the other diagram and let you know Marie dla Chaume: Thak you to Mimi and Georgia, and elisa AKTATTER: HAPPY TATTING! AKTATTER: THANKS MIMI DorcasAnn: Marie, tell Elisa the heart is just great! Cynthia: see you tonight Mimi: You're welcome, my pleasure Krystledawne: I really thought I'd have her last night, but after 5 hours the contractions pooped out Norag: Thank you Georgia for everything you do. Bob: Thank you Georgia and Mimi. Jenny: Happy Tatting, bye everybody Marie dla Chaume: >I will... Dorcas AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 left the chat 5 hours ago Mimi: Happy Tatting all, time for me to go get some lunch! Mimi from x.x.x.11 left the chat 5 hours ago picotsnkeys: bye and thank you!/bye Jenny from x.x.x.142 left the chat 5 hours ago Krystledawne: Maybe I'll go print some cluny info and see you tonight! picotsnkeys from x.x.x.37 left the chat 5 hours ago Bob: Bye All, see you next week. Norag: Want to thank you Cynthia. Will e-mail you later. Linda-S: Thanks Georgia and Mimi!! Raelara: bye all Linda-S: bye Marie dla Chaume: Hello Linda, I had not seen you! AnneB: I think I'll have a go at the honey comb before the cluney ... Kate: bye an thanks Mary R: bye all AnneB: Thanks Georgia, Mimi and Elisa! AnneB: Cynthia, I'll not be present on Thursday as I have to go to Oslo for a meeting. AnneB: See you all next Monday AnneB: Bye all! AnneB from x.x.x.19 left the chat 5 hours ago Norag from x.x.x.140 joined the chat 5 hours ago Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 4 hours ago brownyarn from x.x.x.243 joined the chat 3 hours ago brownyarn: Hi everyone I hope to join the class at 7:30 for beginners brownyarn: bye see you 7:30p.m. brownyarn from x.x.x.146 joined the chat 110 minutes ago brownyarn: Hi everyone birdsexylover@aol.com from x.x.x.12 left this message 109 minutes ago: hello birdsexylover@aol.com from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 109 minutes ago brownyarn: I think that I have finally found out how to get the flip birdsexylover@aol.com: hello brownyarn: hello birdsexylover@aol.com: i am new at this is this all writing or is there video on how to tatt brownyarn: I am also new at this. I have had a hard time getting the stitches to do the flip. Have you figured it out birdsexylover@aol.com: i dont know how to do any is there a video or something because i thought this is a class birdsexylover@aol.com: i think it starts at 800 pm brownyarn: Well I just tried Youtube and had not much luck but as I was waiting I found a site brownyarn: Yes I think you are right 8:00P.M> brownyarn: Hold on and I will find the site and let you know what it is brownyarn: it is http://www.gagecheck.com birdsexylover@aol.com: what is that brownyarn: there is a demo on it and it is very very good brownyarn: I couldn't get the flip until I found this site birdsexylover@aol.com: ya but isn't this a video or is it all writing because i have books just tring to learn more and how to start brownyarn: I did the search with google and once the sites come up click on Sharons Tatting wait until it opens up and then click on demo and it is the best demo I have seen brownyarn: I think it is all writing but this is the first time for me also brownyarn: were you able to find the site birdsexylover@aol.com: still tring to find out how the class room thing worrks brownyarn: Yes so am I. But did you try and find the website that I gave you. I am now doing the flip which I have not been able to do for ages Cynthia from x.x.x.211 joined the chat 88 minutes ago Cynthia: Hi I just sent you both an email... brownyarn: cynthia is this your first time learning tatting birdsexylover@aol.com: ya looking it up now brownyarn: Thanks for the email Cynthia: no I teach the beginning class on Thursday Cynthia: lol.... Cynthia: I've been tatting about 25 years brownyarn: Is there not a beginning class tonight AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 86 minutes ago birdsexylover@aol.com: oh ok i tring but it is asking me for yahoo i don't have ya hoo AKTATTER: yes indeed there is a beginning needle tatting class part 2 tonight Cynthia: Hi Georgia birdsexylover@aol.com: ok great AKTATTER: bird welcome to class, the beginning shuttle tatting class is onThurs. with CYnthia birdsexylover@aol.com: how does this woork Cynthia: you should be able to join in from aol too AKTATTER: nice to see you too brown brownyarn: I have just found a site sharon's tatting is she any good Cynthia: yes AKTATTER: bird the lessons and info are posted prior to the classes AKTATTER: she is wonderful! brownyarn: I have been trying Youtube birdsexylover@aol.com: is there video AKTATTER: regular class http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/2009index.html AKTATTER: new tatters class http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/mimi/html/index.html brownyarn: I have just finished watching her video and I think I have got the flip now Cynthia: there are some very good videos on angelfire too in the lessons AKTATTER: regular class o nmondays beginners on thurs Spanish speaking on sundays brownyarn: I have seen that site along my travels AKTATTER: OK ANYONE HERE TONIGHT FOR PART 2 OF BASIC NEEDLE TATTING? birdsexylover@aol.com: i could learn just throw it at me i guess brownyarn: Ok I will see you on Thursday night at 8:00P.M. AKTATTER: OK BROWN Cynthia: ok but you are welcome to stay AKTATTER: BIRD HAVE YOU DONE ANY NEEDLE TATTING? brownyarn: I will for awhile birdsexylover@aol.com: no but will to learn AKTATTER: OH YES PLEASE DO GET TO KNOW SOME OF THE TATTERS AKTATTER: OK THEN LET'S JUST LOOK AT THE BASICS OF NEEDLE TATTING INSTEAD birdsexylover@aol.com: ok AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/nt/needletattingbasics.html AKTATTER: IF YOU CLICK THE LINK IN THIS WINDOW AKTATTER: THE PAGE WILL OPEN IN A NEW WINDOW AKTATTER: GOT THE PAGE? AKTATTER: OK LOOK AT PHOTO #3 birdsexylover@aol.com: ya AKTATTER: THAT IS WHAT A DS = DOUBLE STITCH LOOKS LIKE ON A NEEDLE AKTATTER: NOW THE QUESTION IS HOW TO GET IT ONTO THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO WRAP THE THREAD ONTO THE NEEDLE AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT FOTO #2 AKTATTER: IT IS A SET OF TWO LOOPS AKTATTER: ONE FACING LEFT AND ONEFACING RIGHT AKTATTER: IF YOU TAKE YOUR NEEDLE AND GO OVER THE RIGHT HAND THREAD, birdsexylover@aol.com: sorry but there is no stiches ther is just the star of stiches AKTATTER: UNDER THE TWO MIDDLE THREADS AKTATTER: AND THE THREAD ON THE LEFT AKTATTER: THEN PULL DOWN ON BOTH TAILS AT THE SAME TIME AKTATTER: THAT MAKES THE DS AKTATTER: AFTER THAT IT IS A MATTER OF MAKING ONE LOOP = HALFSTITCH AT A TIME birdsexylover@aol.com: oh ok i see now AKTATTER: LOOK AT #6 AKTATTER: SEE THE SPACE OF THREAD SHOWING BETWEEN TWO DS? birdsexylover@aol.com: ya AKTATTER: IF YOU SLIDE THE NEW DS NEXT TO THE OLD DS brownyarn from x.x.x.146 joined the chat 77 minutes ago AKTATTER: IT MAKES A LOOP OUT OF THAT THREAD Paula from x.x.x.134 joined the chat 77 minutes ago AKTATTER: WB BROWN AKTATTER: AND THAT LOOP = A PICOT brownyarn: I am here AKTATTER: SEE #8 AKTATTER: HI YA PAULA AKTATTER: TO CORRECT A MISTAKE ON THE NEEDLE Paula: Hi! I am Paula C. from Fairchild AFB, thecrossens@comcast.net AKTATTER: SLIDE ALL THE WRONG DS OFF THE NEEDLE OVER THE POINT claudia from x.x.x.135 joined the chat 76 minutes ago AKTATTER: GLAD TO HAVE YOU PAULA brownyarn: I am with you so far claudia: hi, sorry im late AKTATTER: IT TAKES PRACTICE TO WRAP THE DS BUT IT IS THE SIMPLEST OF ALL TATTING METHODS AKTATTER: DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS? Paule from x.x.x.87 joined the chat 75 minutes ago Paule: Allo everyone! claudia: hi everyone!! AKTATTER: BON SOIR PAULE AUJOURDUI J'AI UNE LIVRE FRIVOLITE NOUVEAU Paule: Ah! bon!... AKTATTER: LOL I JUST GOT MY NEW BOOK IN FRENCH FROM L'EDTIONS DU SAXE AKTATTER: HAVE YOU SEEN IT YET? Paule: We also hava a Paula! AKTATTER: ANY NEEDLE TATTING QUESTIONS? Paule: Non Georgia AKTATTER: YES PAULA IS NEW HERE WHERE IS FAIRCHILD AFB? AKTATTER: OK THEN IN PREPARATIONJ FOR THE LESSON NEXT HOR Paula: None from me - I shuttle =) claudia: no questions Paula: airchild is just west of Spokane, WA AKTATTER: HOUR NEEDLE TATTERS SHOULD LOOK AT THIS INFO BY MIMI Paula: That would be Fairchild, lol AKTATTER: http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instructneedle.htm AKTATTER: OH THAT IS SUPER DID YOU GET TO ATTEND THE SPOKANE WORKSHOP?? Paula: No, I did not know about it in time Paula: I just started tatting again AKTATTER: AWW WELL PUTIT ON THE CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR IT IS A GREAT TATTING EVENT Paula: I will definately do that Paula: Were you there? Cynthia: Is it the same weekend each year? AKTATTER: NOT THIS YEAR BUT i HAVE TAUGHT SEVERAL TIMES THERE SO MUCH FUN Paula: Hey, maybe you and I will both be there next year =) AKTATTER: MARY MCcARTHY JUST SENT ME THE PHOTO OF HER PROJECT FROM SPOKANE THIS YEAR brownyarn: bird did you find the sharon's tatting site brownyarn: I do find the needle tatting easier than the shuttle Paula: Is the photo at the yahoo site? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/marymccspokane.jpg AKTATTER: just click on the link claudia: lovely hat!! Paula: OMG!!! That is very beautiful! AKTATTER: great! brownyarn: that is just beautiful was that done in needle tatting AKTATTER: i think shuttle Krystledawne from x.x.x.20 joined the chat 68 minutes ago Cynthia: awesome hat...it could be either needle or shuttle method brownyarn: My goodness now I am really going to master this claudia: the motifs are sewn to the hat? AKTATTER: MARY MCCARTHY IS THE EDITOR OF THE "KNOTS!" NEWSLETTER Cynthia: you will and it will be easier than you think... AKTATTER: SHE HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN MANY CRAFT AND NEEDLE WORK MAGAZINES EVEN WORKBASKET BEFORE IT CLOSED brownyarn: Yes I have been reading a book by May Konior but having a problem but while I was waiting for the class to begin I found Sharon's Tatting AKTATTER: WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM BROWN WHICH BOOK? brownyarn: I have watched the demo video and I think that I have got the flip now AKTATTER: THAT IS SUPER THAT MOMENT WHEN YOU GET THE FLIP STAYS WITH YOU FOR EVER! brownyarn: A Pattern Book of Tatting by Mary Konior AKTATTER: HI YA KRYSTLE YOU MADE IT EARLY TONIGHT! AKTATTER: THEY PROBABLY WERE CLUADIA Krystledawne: yeah@! AKTATTER: WHICH PAGE? Krystledawne: with a completed cluny! Cynthia: smarty....I'm still working on mine...lol congrats Krystle AKTATTER: GOO D FOR YOU k Krystledawne: lol brownyarn: I have learned the stitches over the past few weeks and have a pile of bits on the floor but now I think I have figured it out so I am going to try a pattern AKTATTER: MARY IS ONE OF THE GREATS IN TATTING AKTATTER: YOU GO FOR IT! Paula: where is the pattern for the cluny? claudia: georgia, the link to the cluny loom video from noreen doesnt work AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/clunyheart.html AKTATTER: HMM WORKED LAST NIGHT claudia: i go to youtube to find it Paula: Thanks! I think this may be a bit over my head for now AKTATTER: http://www.dailymotion.com/Elisadusud cat2tat from x.x.x.121 joined the chat 62 minutes ago Paula: But I would like to hang out for the inspiration if that is okay AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 62 minutes ago Marie dla Chaume: Comme je ne suis pas assez douée en anglais ni en chat d'ailleurs, il vaut peut-être mieux que je m'abstienne, mais je suis très contente que ce coeur les amuse autant. Mimi a fait une très jolie transcription. Sais-tu s'il existe un logiciel pour faire d'auusi beaux dessins? Amuse-toi bien toi aussi. Bisous AKTATTER: THERE ARE CLUNY VIDEOS ALSO Cynthia: it may be Paula but save it for later when you are ready cat2tat: Hi Everyone! Marie dla Chaume: this message from Elisa du Sud. I translate: AKTATTER: paula JUST STAY WITH US AND SOAK UP THE TERMS AND PATTERNS SAVE FOR WHEN YOU ARE READY Paula: Hello Paula: Oops! hello Cindy Paula: hanks, I will hang on to the lesson for later AKTATTER: OH LOVELY PLEASE DO THANKS MARIE AKTATTER: HEY CAT WELCOME brownyarn: Has bird left the chat room Paula: Geesh! I really do have all of my fingers, lol Marie dla Chaume: As I am not good enough in english, neither than in chat, it is better if I stay here but I am quite happy that they like so much this heart . Marie dla Chaume: Mimi did such a nice transcription. AKTATTER: HI MIMI Marie dla Chaume: Do you know if there is a program to make such nice drawings? AKTATTER: YES SERIF Marie dla Chaume: Have fun too, lots of kisses. AKTATTER: DRAWPLUS 8 ONLY ABOUT $10 AKTATTER: PLEASE THANK ELISA FOR US ALSO MARIE Marie dla Chaume: I'll tell her Marie dla Chaume: I will do it again brownyarn: what type of pattern should a beginner start off with claudia: thanks to elisa and mimi brownyarn: I know something easy Marie dla Chaume: But at the time, she is sleeping, not like me... AKTATTER: BUILD EXPERIENCE WITH EDGINGS AND SMALL MOTIFS Mimi from x.x.x.11 joined the chat 59 minutes ago AKTATTER: OH YES IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THERE Krystledawne: Hey AK, How many "passes" should I do while working on my first clunies brownyarn: can you suggest a pattern for me claudia: georgia, you know the drawing program jane eborall uses for her pictures? AKTATTER: SERIF Cynthia: butterflies and doves--see lesson 1... Mimi: Good Evening all Mimi: Goodness Marie you're not up at 3 am are you?? brownyarn: Thanks AKTATTER: TRY AT LEAST 12 PASSES FOR A NICE CLUNY IN SIZE 20-40 THREAD Linda-S from x.x.x.7 joined the chat 58 minutes ago AKTATTER: MAKE MORE PASSES IF IN TINIER THREAD Linda-S: hi all! Krystledawne: I have 10 out right now, Krystledawne: so 10 or so should do it? Krystledawne: lol if that makes sense Sherong from x.x.x.52 joined the chat 58 minutes ago AKTATTER: BROWN IN MARY KNOIORS BOOK Sherong: Hi all AKTATTER: PG 28 AKTATTER: FORGETMENOT AT THE TOP AKTATTER: IT IS A CLASSIC RING AND CHAIN PATTERN brownyarn: In her book she has some edgings AKTATTER: ALSO ORANGES AND LEMONS ON PG 31 Paule from x.x.x.87 joined the chat 56 minutes ago AKTATTER: WB PAULE brownyarn: I will try page 31 and see what I come up with AKTATTER: YEP KRYSTLE Paule: Got lost in nether space AKTATTER: DID EVERYONE GET THE NEWS ABOUT THE CORON THREAD? Paula: =) claudia: no Mimi: I'm not making clunies with that stuff :)) Paula: I would like to know more about it since I am new to this Linda-S: yes, thanks! brownyarn: thanks for the help I am off to try and make something before Thursday AKTATTER: THEY NOW HAVE A SMALLER BALL 10 GM FOR $8 AND BEIGE AND WHITE Mimi: Still size 120 and 160? AKTATTER: SIZE 120 Cynthia: k AKTATTER: AND A LARGER BALL 20 GM IN OFF- WHITE AND WHITE FOR $15 AKTATTER: RIGHT brownyarn: Where do you get your cotton from. Up here in Ontario I usually go to Micheals but they don't have much Sherong: Yes AKTATTER: FOR MAILORDER TRY HANDYHANDS TATTING AKTATTER: WWW.HHTATTING.COM AKTATTER: RITA COCHRANCE SELLS THREAD IN CANADA TOO brownyarn: where are they located AKTATTER: threads@execulink.com AKTATTER: HANDS HANDS IN ILLINOIS Mimi: Haven't I heard that Hobby Lobby has the Lizbeth threads? Mimi: Does Mary Maxim have a good selection too? Paula: OMG, do they? AKTATTER: I DON'TKNOW MIMI Mimi: You'd know better than me Paule brownyarn: is Rita Cochrance on the web claudia: - Paula: I am going to Oklahoma soon for my my sons wedding and there is a HL there Sherong: Several folks have posted about Hobby Lobby having the Lisbeth threads Cynthia: yes in a reasonable assortment even here in OK AKTATTER: ONLY BEEN TO ONE MARY MAXIMS IN MY LIFE AND THAT WAS CANADA Mimi: But I thought they had more than just a few colors of Cebelia there Mimi: Cebelia is about all Michaels will carry AKTATTER: OK LETS GET SIGNED IN PLEASE Mimi: Mimi Dillman, ntrop@ix.netcom.com, Snohomish, WA USA AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS USA AKTATTER@AOL.COM AKTATTER: MAY 11 EVENING SESSION IT'S CLUNY TIME Sherong: Sheron Goldin, sherongb@yahoo.com, Columbia, SC claudia: claudia meza, cloelo@gmail.com,. argentina cat2tat: Cathy Pickett, Rich Creek, VA USA Paula: Paula Crossen, thecrossens@comcast.net, Fairchild AFB, WA Linda-S: Linda Harrington, l_m_harrington, Largo, MD Cynthia: Cynthia Stevenson Stillwater OK USA brasthatfit@yahoo.com Mimi: Paula if you can get into Spokane, try " Paule: Paule Primeau Boucherville Quebec Canada toujoursvivante@videotron.ca Mimi: Sew EZ Too - lots of tatting supplies AKTATTER: welcome one and all brownyarn: Jean Brown brownyarn@sympatico.ca Hamilton Ontario Canada AKTATTER: TONIGHT WE ARE GOING TO "tango" with cluny tatting AKTATTER: at first glance AKTATTER: CLUNY OR PETAL TATTING AKTATTER: LOOKS WEIRD, COMPLICATED AND GENRALLY YUUCKY AKTATTER: BUT IT MAKES SUCH WONDERFUL PATTERNS Mimi: Hey!! Paula: I was at SEw Easy too today=) AKTATTER: JUST LOOK AT Krystledawne: AWWW SHOOT Georgia! Paula: I purchased two new shuttles Krystledawne: MY WATER JUST BROKE!!!!!! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/mimidelisarosedenoelcluny.jpg AKTATTER: 2 shuttles way to go! AKTATTER: AH KRYSTLE CONGRATULATIOBNS AKTATTER: YOU HAVE SOMEONE THERE WITH YOU? Marie dla Chaume: Marie de la Chaume, Chateauroux, France, icollas @ free.fr AKTATTER: SHALL I DIAL 911? Krystledawne: Hubby works 5 min from here brownyarn from x.x.x.146 left the chat 48 minutes ago Krystledawne: No I'm ok Paule: welcome baby!!! Paula: Wow! Krystle! Krystledawne: :-) AKTATTER: BE SURE TO TAKE YOUR SHUTTLES WITH YOU THERE IS A LOT OF TIME TO WAIT YET Krystledawne: Of course she picks a time to come out when I'm trying to learn clunies! AKTATTER: BE SAFE AND ALL THE BEST FOR YOU BOTH Paula: Wasn't no waiting for me after that Krystledawne: Thanks all! I will post a pic on the blog of new baby! Paula: My babies were within 5 minutes Krystledawne: Bye! AKTATTER: LOL Marie dla Chaume: Krystle, I'm with you by the thinking... and wish all the best for your new life! AKTATTER: WOW PAULA SPEED RECORD AKTATTER: BYE! Cynthia: peace and safe delivery Mimi: This is the most excitement I can remember for an online class...! AKTATTER: YOU KNOW THIS REMINDS MW OFA MOMENT IN ALASKA AKTATTER: WHEN I WAS TEACHING IN PRESON AKTATTER: I HAVE ONLY HAD 3 PEOPLE NOT COMPLETE MY TATTING LESSONS Marie dla Chaume: prison... AKTATTER: AND TH SECOND ONE WENT INTO LABOR IN CLASS AKTATTER: BUT SHE DID HAVE HER HOMEWORK DONE Paule: I think she meant person... AKTATTER: AND SHE TOOK HER SHUTTLES AND THE NEXT WEEK'S LESSON WITH HER AKTATTER: ROFL RIGHT THANKS PAULE Paule: Tatters are all a little crazy.. AKTATTER: OK LET;S KEEP A GOOD THOUGHT FOR KRYSTLE AKTATTER: TOO TRUE AKTATTER: SO THE BASIC IDEA BEHIND A CLUNY TALLY = LEAF Marie dla Chaume: Indeed! Paula: Absolutely! AKTATTER: IS TO WEAVE THE THREADS TOGETHER claudia: yes !! AKTATTER: THE ORIGINAL WAY WASY TO MAKE A LOOM OF YOUR HAND claudia: a tatting baby!!! AKTATTER: BUT THESE DAYS WE CAN ALSO MAKE LOOMS OF PLASTCI Cynthia: k AKTATTER: http://www.frontiernet.net/~TammyRodgers/loom-1.html Marie dla Chaume: plastic AKTATTER: AND FROM PLASCTIC CANVAS ALSO AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/patclunyloom.html Paule: I will try Pat Tittrzer's AKTATTER: THERE ARE SEVERAL HOW TO SITES ONLINE AKTATTER: FOR NEEDLE TATTING http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instructneedle.htm AKTATTER: IS THIS CORRECT MIMI? .home.netcom.com/~ntrop/mimi/cluny.html claudia: k AKTATTER: AND I LIKE THIS PHOTO OF EDWIGE RENAUDIN AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/cluny/edwigerenaudincluny.jpg Marie dla Chaume: Yes, needle cluny AKTATTER: SHE IS USING PINS ON THE ARM OF HER CHAIR TO MAKE THE LOOM Mimi: shuttle instructions http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instruct.htm Rosebud from x.x.x.219 joined the chat 41 minutes ago ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com The Online Tatting Class http://www.chatzy.com/695768390662 Transcript as of Tue May 12 01:32:46 2009 GMT (136 KB) Page 3 of 3 - Char 102412 to 139560 - Newest entries at the bottom ============================================================ Mimi: linnked to the page you gave Cynthia: that link is broken....sorry AK Marie dla Chaume: Edwige's site does not work... Marie dla Chaume: I know her claudia: is borken claudia: broken the link AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/cluny/edwigerenaudincluny.jpg AKTATTER: YOU KNOW EDWIGE? LOVELY! Mimi: I have a friend that used 4 shuttles (3 for loom, 1 for weavign) and poster tack to stick the loom shuttles to a table in front of her! Rosebud: Just now had a chance to join and am really interested in the cluny leave so i a trying to read fast AKTATTER: SO LET'S BEGIN AT THE BEGINNING WITH THE OLD FASHIONED "DEATH GRIP" CLUNY TATTING Sherong: Didn't you teach that at Palmetto's one year? AKTATTER: I WOUDL LIKE A PHOTO OF THAT MIMI! AKTATTER: WELCOME ROSEBUD AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/auntellencluny.jpg AKTATTER: THAT PHOTO IS GLEEFULLY STOLEN FROM AUNT ELLEN'S WORKBASKER BOOKLET 1953? Mimi: I sure did Sheron and you were there! AKTATTER: SO LET;S DOI IT TOGETHER Mimi: I was using my fingers though AKTATTER: TAKE THE THREAD INTO THE PINCH AKTATTER: NOW TAKE THE BALL/SHUTTLE 2 THREAD UP AND OVER THE MIDDLE FINGER AKTATTER: ACROSS TO THE RING FINGER AND DOWN BACK TO THE PINCH Marie dla Chaume: My problem, is keeping the side threads tight... the middle one too... AKTATTER: LET A LOOP OF THE THREAD FORM AND HANG DOWN BELOW THE PINCH Marie dla Chaume: How do you hold them? Rosebud: thank you. I took a class from mimi in palmetto's one year and learned how to do cluny with my hands and love to make them. I was on the site of the flowers using cluny and tried to do them today and am confused on whether or not you do leaves first or the split rings alternately AKTATTER: BRING THE THREAD BACK UP AND OVER THE RING FINGER AKTATTER: ACROSS TO THE PINKY claudia: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/edwigerenaudincluny.jpg Sherong: And wasn't it a 4 or 5 thread leaf? AKTATTER: AND WRAP THE PINKEY SEVERAL TIMES TO TIE THE THREAD OFF AKTATTER: JUDI BANASHEK HAS CLUNIED WITH UP TO 9 THREADS! AKTATTER: WE'LL HELP YOU WITH THAT ROSE AKTATTER: NEXT TAKE UP SHUTTLE 1 OR THE NEEDLE Marie dla Chaume: Great, Claudia, I have seen her working this way... And was wandering how she held the 3 points.... Sherong: That does not work holding it in your hands AKTATTER: YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE SHUTTLE UNDER THE RIGHT THREAD AKTATTER: OVER THE MIDDLE THREAD AKTATTER: UNDER THE LEFT THREAD AKTATTER: AND UP AND OVER Mimi: Sheron: 3 thread leaf, 4th is weaver, same as standard AKTATTER: UNDER THE MIDDLE THREAD AND OVER THE RIGHT THREAD AKTATTER: THAT MAKES 1 PASS OR 1 WRAP AKTATTER: A ROUND TRIP IN OTHER WORDS Paule: now wait I have 4 threads Sherong: No you showed more threads in the leaf AKTATTER: YOU USE THE POINT OF THE SHUTTLE THE NEEDLE OR A HOOK AKTATTER: TO SLIDE THE WEAVES TO THE BOTTOM Mimi: I have a pinch and 3 extra fingers Sheron, so that's all I can hold. AKTATTER: GO BACK TO THE PICTURE PAULE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/auntellencluny.jpg AKTATTER: GET RID OF THE EXTRA THREAD Marie dla Chaume: I have problems holding the thread straight Mimi: Loom threads Marie? AKTATTER: MARIE SPREAD YOUR FINGERS OUTWARD Marie dla Chaume: Yes the central Mimi: Central one is the most difficult to keep straight AKTATTER: THIS AWKWARD GRIP MAKES MY HAND FREEZE UP Marie dla Chaume: and both sides, mostlyu the right one Sherong: Class at Palmettos had more than 3 loom threads, that's why you did the bobbins on the table thing Mimi: Particularly if you are using the ball thread for the loom AKTATTER: YOUR PATTERN WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY PASSES AKTATTER: OUR PATTERN TODAY IS 20 PASSES Mimi: No, we used 4 suhttles so that 2 sets of split rings could go out from the top of the leaf. AKTATTER: SO AS YOU CONTINUE TO WEAVE EACH THREAD GETS WIDER AKTATTER: AFTER 10 PASSES THE THREADS GET SHORTED Sherong: Good thing about using a loom rather than your hand is you can move it from hand to hand if you are like me Marie dla Chaume: Elisa says "do as many as needed", this is when we'll be as expert as she is... AKTATTER: WHEN YO UHAVE THE PASSES DONE AND THE SAPE IS RIGHT Marie dla Chaume: shape Sherong: Yes, 4 shuttles and split rings. Ah well, haven't thought about it in a while AKTATTER: THEN YOU CAN REOMVE THE THREADS FROM YOUR HAND AKTATTER: AND LET THE REAL FUN BEGIN Mimi: IT's been 4 years, understandable AKTATTER: IF YOU ARE NEW TO THIS LAY THE THREADS DOWN ONTHE TABLE Paula: ' Marie dla Chaume: I had no problem there... AKTATTER: REMEMBER THAT LOOP THAT WAS DANGLING BELOW THE PINCH Marie dla Chaume: Can't have them All the time! claudia: k AKTATTER: PULL ON IT TO REMOVE THE SLACK AKTATTER: IF SH1 MOVES STOP AKTATTER: YOU HAVE THE WRONG THREAD USE THE OTHER WSIDE AKTATTER: WHEN ALL THE SLACK IS GONE AKTATTER: TAKE SH1 AND PULL UP SLOWLY AKTATTER: I KEEP MY FINGERS ONTHE LEAF ANF INTO THE LOOPS AS I PULL AKTATTER: T PPREVENT TWISTING AND TANGLING Marie dla Chaume: what's the difference between slack and loop? AKTATTER: WHE ALL SLACK IS GONE THE THREADS EXIT THE CLUNY LEAF AT THE TOP LIKE A SPLIT RING AKTATTER: THE LOOP IS THE SLACK Marie dla Chaume: ok AKTATTER: IF THE LOOP EXISTS THEN THERE ISSLACK AKTATTER: WHEN THE SLACK IS GONE THE LOOP IS GONE Mimi: slack means thread not under tension AKTATTER: OK THAT IS THE BASICS Marie dla Chaume: I'll have to meditate AKTATTER: SO NOW LET'S LOOK AT ELISA DU SUDS WONDERFUL WORK Marie dla Chaume: Thanks Mimi claudia: k AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO HER FOR SHARING AND TO MARIE FOR HELPING US GET TOGETHER AKTATTER: AND MIMI HAS PREPARED A TRANSLATION AND A WONDERFUL DIAGRAM FOR US Marie dla Chaume: she already knows, and appreciates you like it! Cynthia: Marie it isn't as complex...look at the pictures and relax while thinking it thru....I'm still challenged by the split chain.... Rosebud: me ttoo Marie dla Chaume: Cynthia, you make me laugh... thanks Cynthia: you're welcome... Marie dla Chaume: Splits are no problem anymore, except SSSR, which I have not "plugged with" yet... Marie dla Chaume: SSSR Single Shuttle Split Ring AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 joined the chat 27 minutes ago AKTATTER: THE ORIGINAL FRENCH IS ALSO POSTED http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/CoeurCluny2FR.htm Cynthia: Marie those are the easy ones...I mastered that in 2 tries.... Paula: ' AKTATTER: OK MIMI TAKE IT AWAY! Marie dla Chaume: Mimi, Elisa thinks your drawing is fabulous! Mimi: She does? I'm so glad Mimi: I didn't have a chance to share it with her beforehand Mimi: I find it difficult to write in French - takes some time and thought. So I don't write to her as often as I should AKTATTER: FOR ME MIMI'S DIAGRM TOOK ALL THE MYSTERY OUT AND MADE IT DOABLE maria alcantara from x.x.x.209 joined the chat 26 minutes ago AKTATTER: WELCOME MARIA Marie dla Chaume: write to me, I'll pass the message! maria alcantara: Hi! I´m realy late sorry Marie dla Chaume: Hola Maria! AKTATTER: WE ARE STARTING THE CLUNY HEART MARIA Cynthia: it sure did....I'm just slow at doing it claudia: hola maria Mimi: Thanks Marie, you're very kind AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/clunyheart.html maria alcantara: but i will chck out the lesson after Mimi: Ino rder to make the heart in one pass, it takes kind of a complex working order AKTATTER: HOOPIE!!!!!! Mimi: So all of us have to do it slowly maria alcantara: maria alcantara; famalcan@prodigy.net.mx Mimi: It's not the speed that counts, but the result, n'est-ce pas? Marie dla Chaume: capitals, mimi pleast AKTATTER: THANKS MIMI Mimi: If I was in this for speed I wouldn't be clunying, believe me :)) Mimi: SHALL I WALK THROUGH THE DIAGRAM? Marie dla Chaume: true AKTATTER: I WISH I HAD THAT PHOTO OF THE DOILY YOU DID WITH SO MANY CLUNIES IN IT! maria alcantara: I made it a few weeks ago! AKTATTER: PLEASE GET US STARTED MIMI Mimi: FIRST OFF, I PUT A LOT IN THE DIAGRAM Mimi: THE RINGS/CHAINS ARE BLACK Mimi: SPLIT RINGS HAVE A RED LINE ACROSS Mimi: CLUNIES ARE SHADED Mimi: AND I PUT AN ARROW IN THE CLUNIES TO INDICATE THE DIRECTION OF THE WEAVING Mimi: PICOTS ARE BLUE Mimi: EACH ELEMENT HAS A NUMBER IN A RED CIRCLE TO INDICATE THE ORDER OF WORKING Mimi: MY ORDER OF WORKING IS A TINY BIT DIFFERENT FROM ELISA'S IN THE AREA OF ELEMENTS 27-30 Mimi: MY NOTES IN THE PATTERN EXPLAIN WHY AKTATTER: K Mimi: ANYWAY, WE START AT THE RING MARKED "1" IN THE "CLEAVAGE" OF THE HEART (AK TERM LOL) Mimi: 6 P 3 P 6 CLOSE Mimi: REVERSE WORK AS USUAL AND MAKE CHAIN MARKED 2 (4 DS) AKTATTER: I LOVE THE WAY THE SHADED CLUNY LEAVES EVEN SHOW HOW THEY LAY ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER Paula: k Mimi: THE SOFTWARE AUTOMATICALLY DID THAT GEORGIA, I WAS TOTALLY HAPPY Mimi: YOU'LL HAVE TO SWITCH SHUTTLES TO MAKE THE RING #3 OFF THE CHAIN (3 P 3) Mimi: THEN SWITCH SHUTTLES AGAIN TO DO CHAIN 4 (WHICH IS ACTUALLY A CONTINUATION OF CHAIN MARKED 2) Mimi: NEXT IS A SET OF 3 SPLIT RINGS Cynthia: k Mimi: EACH 3 P 1 P 1 P 3/6 AKTATTER: K Marie dla Chaume: *_* Rosebud: k Mimi: YOU'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR THREADS CAREFULLY TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THESE TO HAVE THE RIGHT COLOR IN THE RIGHT PLACE Paula: k Mimi: TO GET THE BLUE ON TOP, YOU'LL NEED TO START THE RING WITH BLUE - SHUTTLE 2 DOING NONFLIPPED STITCHES WILL BE WHITE Mimi: AT THE END OF SPLIT RING MARKED 7, IT'S TIME TO MAKE THE FIRST LEAF Jon from x.x.x.181 joined the chat 19 minutes ago Mimi: THESE LEAVES MUST BE MUCH LONGER THAN THE ONES WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO Mimi: WHILE ELISA SAYS "AS MANY AS NEEDED" Mimi: I WENT AHEAD AND COUNTED ON HER SAMPLES Mimi: IT WAS ALMOST ALWAYS 20 WEAVES AKTATTER: YES THE LONGEST I HAVE SEEN Mimi: SORRY - PASSES ROUND TRIP Mimi: SHE HAS A BOBBIN LACE HERITAGE Mimi: THE FRENCH M AKE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BOBBIN LACE LEAVES ANYWHERE AKTATTER: :) Mimi: AND THEY ARE USUALLY VERY LONG IN PROPORTION TO THEIR WIDTH Mimi: EVEN IN BOBBIN LACE Mimi: SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT SHE WOULD DESIGN TO SIMILAR PROPORTIONS TOO Mimi: VERY MUCH HER OWN LOOK Mimi: SO TRY FOR THE LONGER 20-25 WRAPS Mimi: REMEMBER THE RULE OF THIRDS: Mimi: 1/3 OF THE PASSES WILL BE MAKING THE LEAF WIDER Mimi: NEXT 1/3 KEEP THE WIDTH THE SAME Paula: :) Mimi: LAST 1/3 NARROW TO A POINT AGAIN Mimi: FOR THE BEST SHAPING maria alcantara: . claudia: - Mimi: AT THE END OF CLUNY MARKED 8, MAKE RING 9 THAT IS 3 3 (JOINED TO THE FIRST RING) Mimi: THEN TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR WORK AND WHERE THE THREADS ARE LEAVING THE WORK Marie dla Chaume: *_* French do nice bobbin leaves, not me... - Still learning Mimi: YOU'RE GOING TO NEED YOUR BLUE THREAD IN WEAVER POSITION - REMEMBER, AKTATTER: (A PHOTO OF BOBBIN LACE CLUNY ANTIQUE http://www.marlamallett.com/l-831ds.htm) Mimi: CLUNIES ARE THE COLOR OF THE *WEAVING SHUTTLE'S THREAD* Mimi: MOST LIKELY YOU WILL NEED TO *ROTATE* YOUR WORK, NOT REVERSE AKTATTER: THAT IS AN IMPORTANT NOTE FO RUS Marie dla Chaume: http://www.marlamallett.com/l-831ds.htm Mimi: KEEP THE SAME SIDE UP BUT ROTATE THE WORK IN THE SAME PLANE SO THAT YOU WILL BE WEAVING THE LEAF Rosebud: so far keeping up Mimi: AWAY FROM YOU BUT STILL IN THE CORRECT POSITION AKTATTER: TKS Marie dla Chaume: me too Mimi: EVERYONE STILL READING? Marie dla Chaume: yes Paula: yes AKTATTER: FOR QUESTIONS ON RW TW TURN AND ROTATE= http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/turningwork.html Rosebud: yes Paula: Though it is all Greek to me right now ;) claudia: yesss AKTATTER: ME TOO! AKTATTER: LOL Paule: you don't put that lace on a child's collar! Mimi: More pretty French Bobbin Lace: http://www.ville-retournac.fr/musee/anglais/indexang.htm Mimi: Someday I *will* see that museum Mimi: OK BACK TO GREEK Paule: Paula do not despair everything will bwcome clear in time AKTATTER: OH WHAT A TRIP THAT WOULD BE! Mimi: WHEN YOU HAVE FINISHED WEAVING LEAF #10 , DO NOT REVERSE WORK - TIME FOR A STANDARD RING cat2tat: yes AKTATTER: WELL I MUST BE LEARNING GREEK BECAUSE THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENSE TO ME NOW Mimi: BUT THIS RING IS GOING TO BE JOINED TO THE WORK ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS A LITTEL DIFFERENT Marie dla Chaume: Tell me when, We'll go together! Mimi: BUT RING 11 DOES INDEED HAVE ITS BASE AT THE TOP OF CLUNY 10 maria alcantara: now...yes I was lookin the beauty lace Paula: Yes, this will go into the "Someday" pattern notebook =) Mimi: FOR RING 11, MAKE 6 DS, THEN JOIN IN THE SPOT BETWEEN CLUNY 8 AND SPLIT RING 7 Mimi: THERE IS A SMALL SPOT BETWEEN THE 2 THREADS SUITABLE FOR A FINE CROCHET HOOK (BUT PROBABLY NOT THE POINT OF YOUR CLOVER) AKTATTER: SO RING 11 IS THROWN OFF THE TO LEFT AND THWN WE CONTINUE TO THE RIGHT WITH THE SPLIT RING 12 Mimi: THEN 3 P 1 P 1 P 3 AKTATTER: OK Mimi: THAT'S RIGHT GEORGIA Mimi: THEN IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE FIRST SET OF RINGS AND 2 LEAVES AKTATTER: OK Mimi: EXCEPT THIS TIME AFTER SPLIT RING 12 AND CLUNY 13 THERE IS NO RING Mimi: INSTEAD, YOU JOIN CLUNY 13 TO THE LITTLE SPACE BETWEEN THE 2 THREADS AT THE JUNCTION OF LEAVES 8 AND 10 AND RING 9 Mimi: IT'S A LITTLE FIDDLY TO GET IT RIGHT, BUT A STANDARD JOIN WILL DO Mimi: NO LOCK JOIN NEEDED - REGULAR JOIN WHEN TENSIONED CORRECLTY WILL LIE MORE SMOOTHLY AKTATTER: NO MATTER UP OR DONW JOIN? claudia: k Mimi: NO MATTER AKTATTER: OK Marie dla Chaume: *_* maria alcantara: ... Paula: =) Mimi: IT'S ALL IN SUCH A SMALL SPACE THAT I AHVE NOT FOUND THAT I GET NO COLOR BLIP EITHER WAY WITH CAREFUL TENSIONING Mimi: I THINK THE NEXT SET OF RINGS/LEAVES IS THE SAME Mimi: THEN THE NEXT PLACE TO PAY ATTENTION IS THE AREA FROM CHAIN 20 TO CHAIN 26 Cynthia: Paula you will be at the level to try this before you know it....mostly rings and chains,,,, Mimi: WHERE YOU MAKE THE POINT OF THE HEART Mimi: IT IS BACK TO RINGS AND CHAINS - YAY Mimi: BUT NOTE THAT TECHNICALLY RING 23 IS A RING OFF THE CHAIN THAT IS SHOWN IN 2 PARTS AS 22 AND 24 AKTATTER: ALRIGHT! THIS WE CAN HANDLE WITH OUT LOOKING EVEN Paule: YAY? Mimi: HOORAY! AKTATTER: HOORAY! Mimi: :) Marie dla Chaume: *_* Mimi: sO HAVE WE ALL GOT THE POITN? lol Rosebud: thanks Cynthia: the split ring is easier than it sounds...we get to that later in the beginners class AKTATTER: AS IN "POINT" OF A CLUNY? YEP i GOT IT! Paula: =) Mimi: POINT OF THE HEART BUT THAT'S OK :) AKTATTER: THIS MAY NOT BE A BEGINNERS PATTERN Mimi: THE 2ND HALF OF THE HEART IS PRETTY MUCH THE REVERSE OF THE FIRST, BUT claudia: so much clearyour explanation Mimi: IT IS MORE OF A MIRROR IMAGE maria alcantara: :) Mimi: AND I DID MAKE A SMALL CHANGE AKTATTER: BUT IT WOULD INSPIRE ANY TATTER TO LEARN THIS TECHNIQUES AKTATTER: ARE THRE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIMI? Mimi: TO AVOID THE RATHER DIFFICULT JOIN BETWEEN A LEAF AND A CHAIN Paula: Yes, I know I am very inspired =) AKTATTER: OH OK Paule: Well... First I will print out Mimi' s interprétation of Elisa's heart Mimi: BUT IF YOU MAKE IT THIS FAR IN THE PATTERN, YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT Marie dla Chaume: *_* no, I have to do it... after trying the leaves! Mimi: PLEASE TAT ONE FOR YOURSELF Paule: Then I will print out tonight's log... Mimi: SINGLE COLOR OR MULTIPLE, CHOICE IS YOURS maria alcantara: you sed that you make a change between 27 and 30 elements? AKTATTER: I HOPE THAT EVERYONE WILL VISIT BOTH ELISA'S SITE http://www.dailymotion.com/Elisadusud Mimi: BOTH EQUALLY PRETTY Mimi: NICE USE FOR HDT Paule: Then I will sit somewhere quiet with a big ba r of chicilate Mimi: THAT'S HER VIDEOS OF HOW TO MAKE CLUNIES Paule: ... anf my 2 shttles AKTATTER: AND MIMI'S WEBSITE http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instruct.htm Mimi: HER BLOG IS SUCH EYE CANDY! http://elisadusud.canalblog.com Paula: I will watch the video and dream tonight about making this someday =) AKTATTER: THERE A TREASURE TROVE OF RESEACH AND INFO ON CLUNY TATTING IN THE RESOURCES PAGES MIMI HAS POSTED Marie dla Chaume: Beautiful things she makes! Regular, harmonious, and so fine! Mimi: my cluny homepage is http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/mimi/cluny.html Rosebud: I love Mimi's work and instructions. Thanks Mimi: Links to instructions, patterns, bibliography Mimi: Thanks Rose AKTATTER: ELISA'S BROOCH AND FLOWERS FROM APRIL ARE GORGEOUS maria alcantara: yes! AKTATTER: ONCE AGAIN MANY THANKS TO MIMI FOR ALL HER WORK Marie dla Chaume: Coming twice is interesting... AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/mimidelisarosedenoelcluny.jpg Marie dla Chaume: Really thanks Mimi! AKTATTER: IF THERE IS TIME THIS YEAR THERE IS ANOTHER OF ELIA claudia: thanks a lot mimi, you were so clear maria alcantara: very good explanation....thank you teacher AKTATTER: ELISA'S PATTERNS WE MIGHT DO Cynthia: Thank you Mimi Paula: Thank you very much for letting me attend this class Marie dla Chaume: Mimi, your rose de noel is fantastic!!! Paule: Thank you Mimi Mimi: Merci ;) AKTATTER: AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL GOT TO SEE THE RIVER CITY TAT GUILD'S BANNER Paula: It is nice to learn the terms and will really help me in the future, I'm sure AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/rivercitytatguildbanner.jpg cat2tat: Thanks Mimi! AKTATTER: AND THIS AFTERNOON WE DISCUSSEDTHIS PATTERN AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2009/russianKlejchainshoneycomb.jpg Cynthia: It will Paula and you'll be doing this pattern before you know it Mimi: IO AKTATTER: I HAVE NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO FOLOW THIS RUSSIAN PATTERN WOULD WOULD LIKE SUGGESTIONS ON HOW IT GOES AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS TONIGHT? Paula: Thanks, Cynthia =) Mimi: I'll be working up the rose diagram - it's a little easier than the heart in techniques (just more leaves is all) AKTATTER: BEGINNERS CLASS ON THURSDAYS AND SPANISH CLASS ON SUNDAYS AKTATTER: THANKS MIMI IF YOU HAVE TIME WE WOULD LOVE IT Paula: I am looking forward to Thursday! AKTATTER: OK LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: ANNOUNCMENTS? Marie dla Chaume: Thank you, teachers and pupils... Mimi: I'll let you know when it's done AKTATTER: SUPER! Paula: Going to go and practice my easy stuff now =) Marie dla Chaume: Going to bed claudia: thanks for the class Paula: Thanks again and have a lovely evening, or whatever time it is for you all =) AKTATTER: ALRIGHT THEN PLEASANT DREAMS THEN AND BEST WISHE FOR OUR NEW MOM KRYSTLE! Mimi: Bonne nuit Marie AKTATTER: GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY TATTING AKTATTER from x.x.x.12 left the chat 108 seconds ago maria alcantara: thank you for the class Marie dla Chaume: Bonne soirée à toi, Mimi!!! Mimi: Night all, see you next week! cat2tat: Good night all! Cynthia: Peace and thank you all for coming Mimi from x.x.x.11 left the chat 69 seconds ago Cynthia: bye/ Rosebud: bye Paule: Bonne nuit à toutes maria alcantara: bye.. ============================================================ Created at Chatzy.com