Session Start: Mon Apr 28 14:07:44 2008 *** Now talking in #tatchat good hello all Hello Georgia 05hi Georgia happy Spring we have flowers everywhere do you? *** Tatter has joined #tatchat yes., and rain *** RuthPerry has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as Bob but we had a hail storm this morning and there is a freeze warning out hi Ruth I'm going over to see if anyone needs help to get to class brb oh., that's bad., so far., just rain here Hullo hi Bob Hello everyone 12i'm back good 12hi everyone! Hi Steph! 05Hi Steph 12We have flowers everywhere, smells wonderful outside! Hi steph 05o yes it is wonderfull We've had some rain here, but I planted vegetables on saturday, so rain is good. 12I love the smell of spring....well, unless we go visit my parents, they live out in the "country" and 05not to much 12some of the farmers still spread...um....manure on their fields in the spring that smells 12doesn't smell *quite* so nice out there way. 05Georgie do we have homework I used to help with that 12but here it smells like honeysuckle and wisteria and some other really sweet-smelling flowers Yeh., Ruth., what are you up too. 05hi Ruth Carving Lucettes o ok let's get started please sign in What's a Lucette? 05hehe allis dry now Mary Jane Brittingham., Santa Claus., Indiana usa GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@APL.COM gREENUP IL USA I have some purpleheart, walnut, and bocote ones rough cut out and they just need to be finished carving and sanding 05Tine Veddr Ede The Netherlands Ria Bob Kishen Wirral, UK 12Stephanie W, N. Georgia, USA trompete at# bellsouth dot net APRIL 28, 2008 AFTERNOON SESSION 12what is a lucette? http://lucettelady.50megs.com/ A TOOL TO MAKE BRAID OR CORDING A TWO-PRONGD FORK Here is someone who sells them with instructions ALSO AVAILABLE THRU HANDY HANDS TATTING It's a kid craft from a couple hundred years ago 12oh, i've seen someone majke braid with one of them - a short video online, I think. EVERYONE HAVE THE DIAGRAM PRINTED OK? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2008/emmyliebertrow2.jpg I didn't received any 05no I have not a diagram *** Tatter has joined #tatchat you have to go to the index to get the lesson 12i've got it on the screen I did Yep, got it. http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2008/2008index.html *** Tatter is now known as jenny then scroll down to todays' date welcome jenny please sign in 05o now I heve the daiagram ok great 12I think one of the links had a typo in it....page 2 maybe? oh well pg 2 is the only one your really need maybe bring it up on screen 12oops, I see you already fixed that.... http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2008/emmyliebertrow2.jpg typoes are the bane of my existance lol first thing to note is that the diagram is for a pattern 12computers are just such stupid creatures....they have to do everything "their" way or not at all. from the emmy liebert book 05yes 12it's in German....printed in the Fraktur type, isn't it? "schiffchen arbeiten - friovolitaten #1 05yes yes in the old fraktur which is a chore to read 12I've wanted that book for years but don't read or speak well enough to read Fraktur. 12maybe one day.... 05Is there only a diagram no piture? 12;-) and the original used needlelace in the center no photo yet *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 05ok it is so black in the book it is hard to clean it up enough 05ok any chance that you have that book Ruth? 12I have a (translated) reprint of some German tatting patterns from about 100 years ago 12they used needle lace in the center of a lot of things, too. welcome tatter please sign in 12Looks really nice. No sorry I don't 05it is *** Tatter is now known as Cynthia so we are going totry to convert this to mignonette welcome cyn thia 05Hi Cyntia is anyone here for the first time?? no 05no Hi my computer was fighting the sign in oh oh tine has beenin class too long she is catching my typoes! 05:-) no original pattern called for a cut and tie after the center ring is closed no 05what is typoes no 12GASP!!! *** Bob has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 12typing mistakes, Tine typing errors *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 05ok thanks *** Tatter is now known as Bob 12rough ride, Bob? lol tine didn't mean to scare you wb bob 05m ok don't forget to type k or something every few minutes I fell off :( that lets the computer let you know that you are still here 05ok I left it too long between typings.... 12fasten your safety harness tighter next time. so what is the first change we will make in the pattern?? 06c tee hee any guesses? 05no 06brb I need to find the pattern no oh I am wounded! change? Not sure. 12i'm guessing the original center was 1 ring with picots not one guess? 12so you're gonna climb out ? yes it was steph whew! i was worried for a minute 12I do that all the time - HATE those 1-ring wonders You could do the middle with SCMR ye indeed we will eliminate one set of ends by 05are there beads in it *** jenny has quit IRC (Ping timeout) climbing out thru a mock picot I thought those were rings off, but they're picots. Oops now this is basically a one shuttle pattern bob *** Tatter has joined #tatchat BUT 12and i'm also guessing you're gonna leave a really long tail to use later TO DO OUR CLIMB OUT WE ARE GOING TO USE A VERY LONG TAIL 12hehehehe.... YOU ANTCIPATED IT RIGHT STEPH Yay Steph! 06got page 2 be right back WELCOME TATTER 12see, I DO remember things you say months earlier.... OK :) SO NOW WE TAT THE RING AND CLOSE, CREATING THE MOCK PICOT 05y AND THEN WE TAT A SPLIT RING k 12ok, when we say "very long tail" how long did you have in mind, about a yard? 05y 12or longer? THE LITTLE SPLIT RING MAY BE 1 OR 2 DS d *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) THE TAIL IS NEEDED FOR ABOUT 30 DS SO MAYBE 20-24" 06got it 12ok. 05k YOU LET THE TAIL HANG WHILE YOU USE THE SHUTTLE TO GO AROUND THE CENTER RING 05y JOIN A SMALL RING OF 1 OR 2 DS TO THE TOPS OF THE PICOTS 12hmmm...so if you were using a fairly small size ball, you could just use the ball as a 2nd shuttle if you rubber-band it AND YOU LEAVE A SHOT SPACE OF BARE THREAD BETWEEN EACH RING YES YOU COULD STEPH OR PUT THE TAIL ON A BLUNT TAPESTRY NEEDLE 05aha WHEN DOING MIGNONETTE WORK 12oh, cool, didn't think of using a tapestry needle! YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND k 05k THAT YOU MAY NEED TO LEAVE A LONGER SPACE OF BARE THREAD AND YOU MAY NEED TO MAKE THE RING SLIGHTLY BIGGER ALSO BUT THIS IS A SMALL SPACE 05o WHEN YOU COME BACK TO THE THE FIRST TINY RING THEN USE THE TAIL TO WITH THE SHUTTE LE THREAD TO MAKE A TINY RING TO START THE NEXT ROUND OK SO FAR 12good so far. 06I think I follow 05yes ONCE MORE AROUND SAME WAY with you so far THEN CLIMB INTO THE ALL RINGS ROWS WITH ANOTHER SPLIT RING AGAIN LEAVE THE LONG TAIL ONE TO USE AT THE END 05y NEXT TAT THE LARGER OUTSIDE RING AND BEGENEROUS WITH THE JOINING PICOT IF THE PICOTSA ARE TOO SHORT THE OUTER ROW WILL CUP 05yes 12oh, THAT joining picot, gotcha BUT THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE IF YOU ARE MAKING THIS THE TOP OF A PIN CUSHION 05ok NOTE THE OUTER LARGE RING JOINS TWO PICOTS AT THE SIDES 05y THEN YOU GO MAKE TO THE SMALLER RING WHICH JOINS TO THE MIGNONETTE ROW THIS SECOND RING JOINS TO THE BARE SPACE k BETWEEN THE TINY MIGNONETTE RINGS SEE THAT? 05yes 06ah ha I get it OK ANY QUESTIONS??? yep 05no sorry, no questions 05it is verry clear to me 06no I think I can do this one now WELL EITHER MY EXPLANATION WAS TERRIFIC OR THIS PATTERN IS ONE TOO EASY FOR THIS BUNCH OF TATTERS LOL 05why not 12i think i twas your explanation 12;-) OH! OF COURSE! :) 06no it was definately your explanati9on>:D< it was the explanation. OK NOW HOW CAN BE EMBELLISH THE PATTERN A BIT I thought it was a SCMR in the middle to start with :) OK OK YOU ALL GET A"S FOR THE CLASS LOL 06sorry that was a hug >:D< 06but it won't come thru---sorry :) there is a smile 12embellish how? 12you mean add beads and stuf flike that? 06how about a bead? Do you mean add more rows on? BUT WOULD AN SCMR WORK BOB? YOU NEED THE TAIL THREAD TO MAKE THE MOCK PICOT SURE STUFF LIKE THAT AND TATTED ELEMENTS TOO Well, you got me thinking block tatting lately... now how about doing a row of blocks with chains between them for the first all ring row? I was thinking it was a ring with rings off, rather than a ring with picots off. That's where I got mixed up. 12figure out how many seed beads you need to make the spaces you want 12and bead the bare thread....but that's a lot of bead strining Oh Steph, that would look pretty. The blocks would be on the diagonal, like diamonds WHAT IF WE USED THAT CELTIC KNOT PICOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BARE THREAD SPACES? OH IT WOULD BE GREAT TO INCORPORATE BLOCK INTO THIS OH I SEE BOB, RIGHT 05m 06celtic knot picot? You can actualkly do any of the celtic knots as a CKP there are some with 5 or 6 points YE THOSE BEADS WOUL DHAVE TO BE STRUNG ONTO THE SHUTTLE CERTAINLY YES CYNTHIA How about something like a dream catcher in the middle? 12not sure if this wouyld work or not....but for one row instead of bare thread 05m 12maybe you could do a zigzag sort of block tatting row 12between rings....or something. mmm 06I don;t think I know how to do a celtic knot picot...is there a link? 12I can see a sort of rickrack row in my head but can't tell if it would actually work or not.... ;-) Hmmm trying to picture steph with ricrac in her head... i'M LOOKING FOR A LINK CYNTHIA 06thanks 12got a migraine....all sorts of weird things are possible thisa fternoon. Should be "fine" in about half an hour.... 12meds work fast Link: http://paradisetreasures.com/ckp.html http://www.paradisetreasures.com/okp.html RUTH SHOULD HAVE A PHOTO OF ONE ONE HER SITE TOO IT IS A CUTE LITTLE EMBELLISHMENT AND IT GIVES YOU EXTRA POINTS OF ATTACHMENT TOO 05m 06Got it that looks nice...I hadn't thought to do it with just the thread... is it ckp or okp 06ckp CELTIC KNOT PICOT CKP thanks C K P Celtic Knot Picot WE COULD PUT BUGLE BEADS ON THE CENTER RING PICOTS AND WE COULD PUT 2 BUGLE BEADS ON EACEH BARE THREAD SPACE JOINING THE NEXT ROW INBETWEEN THE TWO BUGLE BEADS 05yes How about a button in the middle? 12hmmmm....is there a way to do the center using pearl tatting somehow so there are picots INSIDE the center AND on the outer part of that first ring? A maltese ring! 12You could do some sort of long picots in the middle and join them somehow....? 12like sort of woven? 06or a sequin or big bead in the center SURE YOU COULD EXACTLY 12probably have to try a ring without them first so you'd know how long to make the innter picots EXCELENT IDEA CYNTHIA 05nice Cynthia 06thanks AND WHAT ABOUT CHANGING THE CENTER FROM A RING AND MIGNONETTE You're all so good at coming up with ideas! TO A RING AND SHARED BEADED PICOTS? *** Tatter has joined #tatchat Much easier to come up with ideas than to actually tat them all *** Tatter is now known as marco 12hi Marco! 06hi marco 05HI Marco hello Hi Marco, how're you? i am fine WELCOME MARCO GLAD TO SEE YOU i am glad to here you to aktatter i cannot see you on line crying hihi 05hihi NO MSN SENT ME THE MESSAGE AGAIN THAT I MUST UPGRADE THE MESSENGER OR NOT USE IT SO I AM NOT USING IT NOW IGIVE UP 12If you made long picots on the first half of the inner part of the center ring, then joined them, but off-center somehow on the other half of the 1st ring, it might look like .... o boy 12remember that spiral-art kids used to do? you can try skype OOHH YES ! it is also a free program YES I WIL TRY SKPE oke 12skype is free? yes!! 06where is it? 12Wow! I didnt' know that! i will send you my skype name in a private mail i use msn and i use skype you can talk with skype an d you can type as in msn let me see for you CHECK THIS OUT FOR THE SHARED BEADED PICOT http://www.domesticarts.com/LaceClass/sharedbead.html OK LAST SUGGESTION www.skype.com TAT THIS IN MIGNONETTE 05y TAKE A ROUND PIECE OF TULLE IN A COLOR TO SHOW OFF THE LACE PACK WITH BATTING tine il you fill me in for the tatting of this evening? 05after the class PUT RIBBON IN THE NEXT TO LAST ROW RINGS GATHER UP AND TIE MAKES NICE TREE DECORATION 06yes it would OR PUT LAVENDER BUDS IN TEH BATTING AND MAKE A HANGING SACHET 12mmmmm...lavender buds, definitely.... OK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?? oke NOW ARE YOU READY FOR A CHALLENGE?? 06no it has been clear for me 06yes 12i am....headache is not quite up to it yet.... ;-) lavender sachet sounds lovely. MAKE THIS PATTERN BEFORE THE NEXT LESSON AND RECEIVE A PRESENT DONATED BY HOPE GREEN 06Ok I'll give it a try o boy i am bad with challenges 12hmmm...i'll give it a try. hehe :) 12got a couple wedding gifts to finish, though... i have to work a lot this week SEND JPG ONLY BEFORE CLASS ON THE 5TH OF MAY 12and Mother's Day gifts. Will try, but my husband is home this weekend and he gets jealous if the tatting gets too much attention :) and i am going out shopping with my daughter THIS COULD BE ONE LOL ANY QUESTIONS OR ANNOUNCEMENTS? really bob? 05m o dear that is not fine 06no :) 12hehehehe....i've got Mom's house so full of tatted stuff it's sort of funny. 12;-) ALRIGHT THEN MANY THANKS FOR STOPPING BY TODAY 06see you tonight Not badly jealous, but when he's driven 250 miles to be here, I can't really ignore him to tat THIS LESSON REPEATS THIS EVENING AT 8:30PM ET (NEW YORK TIME0 BYE FOR NOW AND HAPPY TATTING ALL! i have a husband who is n ot jealous o oke bye all 12if we're finished with the t-storms i'll see you tonight....hopefully minus the heacache. Session Close: Mon Apr 28 14:57:10 2008 Session Start: Mon Apr 28 19:23:03 2008 *** Now talking in #tatchat April 28, 2008 PM session *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as Cynthia 06Hi Georgia *** Cynthia has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as Cynthia 06we had a power blip and it knocked me off but came right back on 06serif 06dialog Hi Cynthia 06I thought I'd check the other options but came back to this.. I am worried tonight about the electricity too. We had a hail storm this afternoon 06Hi again Georgia and the skies are so dark tothe south right now a freeze warning for tonight and all my little flowers are at risk!! 06it is clear and warm here but sometimes in Oklahoma the power does odd things the wisteria just started to open yesterday high winds give us snap crackle and pop a lot 06cover the flowers with even a sheet held up by anything tall enough and it should help