Session Start: Mon Apr 14 14:01:08 2008 *** Now talking in #tatchat hello all 12Hey Georgia Tine how ar eyou? Nancy both of you here today? *** Tatter057 has joined #tatchat HI Georgia I am fine Tatter to change your name just type /nick yourname great 12Others will drift in. *** Tatter is now known as Marie *** Tatter057 is now known as Eliz Nancy thanks I have print it now i am going over to aol to see if anyone needs help hold the fort ! 12Hey Marie, Elizabeth Hi Nancy, Tine, & Marie HI Marie Elizabeth *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as Cynthia Hi Cynthia 12Hey Cynthia. Glad to "see" you 06Hello Nancy, Tine, Georgia,Elizabeth,, Cynthia hi cynthia 06Hi everyone, I had a chance to sit in this afternoon so thought I'd try it Verry wel Cynthia I'm taking a break from working on a research paper to at least THINK tatting for a while *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 06That will be good for your brain Eliz' 12Tatting is a great way to take a break *** Tatter is now known as Angie 12Hey Angie I thought so, Cynthia Hi Hi Angie 06Hi Angie 06I find it very relaxing. I help my husband input data on the computer but every so often I tat away for a break Georgaia greetings from Marco she is sporting 12Georgia will be back shortly. She is checking on aol folks right now speial sporting for CARA Hi Angie thanks NAncy brb 12Tine - Are you and Marco in same location? Angie what is brb 12Be right back 12I don't know all the abbreviations, but I've learned a few no MArco is in The soud of the Netherlans and I am in The middle *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 12Oh, OK. about 200 km from each daughter in Alaska called, but I am back now Nancy we msn much together 12It's fun that we are all far from each other and can still communicate so well! and sometimes we visit yes it is 06a truly international event--tatting around the globe 06yes and so much fun somethimes we have both the webcam and than we are tatting and talking hello again 12I've really enjoyed looking at photos and blogs from around the world 06Hi Georgia 06hello Georgia 12Webcam? That's even more fun Tine. thats nice is not it yes my goodness it is indeed an international group just in the days since I left for the Atlanta workshop 12Georgia did you rescue the Aol ers? than we can seen what we are doing and how far we are on the 27th we have had nearly 10 tatters join us from spain, france argentina costa rica and several states in the us nancy where are they lost?? how was the workshop? the atlanat owrkshop was a greatly great evetn a good bunch of tatters of different experiences which made for lots of fun and laughter too 12Oh, I thought that you were checking on some AOL folks --- did I misunderstand? nice 12Atlanta was fabulous! i have to go to aol to check the email which is where they sent messages if they cannot get into class 12Georgia really gave us LOTS of great techniques and projects! 06Someday we can all get to go to the tatting events in Atlanta, Hector, Spokane and lots more you probably all know abuot my mom being taken to the hospital on APr 2 so I was unable to go to Hector's 10th Anv lace workshop but I know it was a super event too 12More than we anticipated --- and it was GREAT we cannot it is to far 06No I didn't know, I hope she is doing better now Tine have you and marco ever gone to the tatting event in Hortsmar or the Black Forest? 12No, Georgia - did not know about your mom. So sorry to hear that i don't go in a plain she is recovering but I thought we were losing here that day. no we have not 06glad to hear she is doing better maibe we go on 25 mai to horstmar it is so stressful you want your mom to be better, but know that at her age it won't happen. 12How old? 06So happy she is doing better, Georgia tine that would be wonderful I hope to go one year, too I am saving up my euros. 06Scary and I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers for a full recovery or at least as much as she can be expected to recover haha ok 06better euros than dollars 79 but diabetic and in ill health since she was 55 yes euors are doing well on the market yes it do thank you so much 06my dad is 78 and I can relate to your mom's health issue 06tough...but she can get better I hope to se you ones ok don't forget there is the biggie IOLI 2008 convention in the mid-west this year. Hope you all can come! tine that would be great fun to visit so now let's get started where in the mid west? PLEASE SIGN IN in Amerika?? IN ILLINOIS TINE, JUST NORTH OF MY PLACE pam from Niagara Falls, Ny Tine Vedder Ede The Netherlands Eliz in Arkansas USA GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USa 06Angela Miracle, Davison, Michigan, al_miracle@hotmail.com 12NancyCarol Bhm Ala bookjazz #yahoo.com USA 06Cynthia Stevenson brasthatfit@yahoo.com Stillwater OK (USA) needle and shuttle TATTER, TO CHNGE YOUR NAME PLEASE TYPE /NICK YOURNAME O I dont go in a plain :) 06you could take a boat and then a train... 06Marie Smith Anderson SC USA tattingwithmarie at yahoo HI pAM IS THIS YOUR FIRST VISIT WITH US? and I can not swim over the oceaan that is to far 06Hi Pam Hi Pam hello everyone Welcome, Pam 06I understand Tine, distances can be very scary yes is a pitty DURING OUR LAST CLASS YOU WILL RECALL THAT RUTH TAUGHT US THE BALANCED DOUBLE STITCH 06yes yes PAM YOU WILL NEED TO PRINT OFF THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ALSO 06Sorry I missed the class 12Yes, I've tried a few rings and chains I missed it, but plan to study the log. 06I'm still haveing a bit of a challenge with it but it is getting easier AS THE CLASS WAS ENDING I TYPED IN A PATTERN, JUST THE DIRECTIONS NO PHOTO NO DIAGRAM WAS GIVEN ok 12It works much better than I thought it would but I have a few questions 06it certainly is challenging 06But I did print it out this week 06the second loop tends to squiggle and not work easily IT WAS A TEST TO SEE HOW JUST HAVING THE WRITTEN DIRECTIONS WOULD AFFECT THE LOOK OF THE TATTING WELL NO ONE CAME CLOSE!! OF THOSE BRAVE ENOUGH TO EMAIL ME ANYWAY LOL 06I gave up on the pattern Georgia, I think I missed some of it so will try again SO I HAVE ADDED THE PHOTO AND NOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SHALL WE START THERE? 06I printed it off this morning. 12If you do BDS in a pattern do you need to make all the stiches BDS. Can't really mix and match RUTH RECOMMENDED THAT ON THAT RING OR CHAIN IT BE ALL BDS 06GA, I have reading the logs this new class season 12The BDS are wider, right? would you give us the link here, Georgia? BUT IF ALL THE RINGS AND CHAINS ARE THE SAME THEN IT MUST BE THRU THE WHOLE PATTERN 06It is on notepad and all runs together. GOOD CYNTHIA GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY MARIE, THAT IS WHY I WENT THROUGH AN PUT IT ON A REGULAR PAGE BEING SPREAD OUT AMONG THE COMMENTS MADE IT HARD TO FOLLOW ALSO m YES THE BDS IS WIDER WITH TOP SIDE BALANCING THE BOTTOM SIDE 06c OK HERE IS ONE GOOD TIP THE PHOTO SHOWS THE LACE AS IT WAS PRINTED IN THE ANTIQUE BOOKLET TURN THE PATTERN PHOTO AROUND 90 DEGREES 12When I'm going over or under for the second time, do I go to the left of the previous first pass? AND 90 DEGREES AGAIN RIGHT NANCY THAT DIRECTION MATCHES THE WAY THE PATTERN READS 12YES, I think I finally figured out to stand on my head 06Thanks Nancy, I think I know what I was doing wrong with the BDS LOL GOSH NANCY YOU COULD HAVE JUST TURNED THE PAGE 12Now that's a great tip! IF YOU ARE RIGHT HANDED 06but not as challenging! AND WORKGING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT yes THEN THE NEW ADDITION OF THREAD WILL BE ON THE RIGHT *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) TRUE CYN! yes SO LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY IT IS MUCH EASIER TO FOLLOE m THE LARGE RING IS FIRST THEN YOU TAT UP THE SIDE AND JOIN USE SH2 TO THROW OFF THE CLOVERLEAF CHAIN DOWN AND JOIN CHAIN OVER TO THE SEPARATE CLOVERLEAF CHAIN OVER AGAIN AND REPEAT ooo ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? no 06no IT LOOK SO MUCH SIMPLER WHEN THERE IS A PHOTO OR DIAGRAM DOESN'T IT? 06makes sense 06yes, because you have an idea of what you want it to look like yes afo will do OK NOW PLEASE JUST LOOK AT THE TEXT 06definately I like the photo and diagram as well as the words 12. WHAT DID YOU NOTICE? ME TOO CYN I think the text is clear THIS TEXT IS A MIXTURE OF SEVERAL STYLES OF WRITTEN INTRUCTIONS ooo 06yes, but I can follow it is no problem at me WE DID A LESSON ABOUT THIS LONG AGO http://www.georgiaseitz.com/designnotes.txt 12I guess we're so accustomed to various formats, we didn't notice FIRST THE OLD FASHIONED STYLE RING OF 20 DS SEPARATED BY 2 DS THEN THE FORMULA STYLE CHAIN (2 - ) X7, 2 DS rw AND THEN SIMPLER STILL R 10 - 10 m 06c IT IS JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WRITING UP PATTERNS o AND I DO THINK THAT A GOOD DIAGRAM MAKES THE TEXT ALMOST UNNECESSARY 06definately it makes sense to keep 1 style but that is hard to do when you think tatting not writeing I apologize, but I have to get back to work. I'll get the log later. Wonderful to see you all here. Thank you, AK! Yes it do *** Eliz has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) BYE ELIX THANK SFOR STOPPING BY 12I think a diagram would help me see where to join some of the later elements 06yes it does Nancy 06I love diagrams YES IT MAKES EVERYTHING CLEAR I BELIEVE TOO NANCY o yes 06easier to follow when both words and pictures are available 12Like the Large Ring 15-5-15 Where does that last picot hook up? 12I tried making my own little diagram but a couple of joinings were confusing to me THE RING SHOULD BE 15 + 5 - 15 SHOULDN'T IT? I think so 06yes YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT AT THE END OF THE PATTERN THERE WAS A NOTE TO LOOK OUT FOR ERRORS NANCY FOUND ONE ARE THERE MORE? ring 10 -10 12Does that second picot also join to # 3 or 4 picot from the first ring of clover leaf? have to be 10+10 is not it RIGHT TINE 12Yes, it joins to first picot of first chain? Yes OK NANCY THE FIRST CLOVERLEAF DOES NOT JOIN TO THE CHAIN no THE SECOND CLOVERLEAF DOES JOIN BACK TO THE SECOND CHAIN OK LOOK AT LINE 6 OF THE PATTERN AND COMPARE TO LINE 5 LINE 5 RING OF 20 WITH PICOTS SEP BY 2 DS IT DOES NOT TELL YOU HOW MANY PICOTS, BUT IF YOU DIVIDE IT = 9 yes LINE 6 RING 2 + (JOIN TO PREVIOUS RING) 18 WITH PICOTS SEP BY 2 DS BRB 12Yeah, I goofed and did a BIG ring the first time! 20 picots or something like that! Ha, ha! 06same number of picots *** Tine has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as Tine 06wb tine 12WB Tine 06c *** Tine is now known as Tinethere *** Tinethere is now known as Tine there was an errow 12Tine is having fun changing her name around. Sorry, you must have been dropped temporarily. It happens to the best of us. yes thanks 06we all have our days of popping in and out 06same number of picots, but in the 6th row the 1stpicot is joined. *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as marco hello hi Marco 06Hi Marco 06Hi Marco hello everione 12Hey Marco. Glad you could join us thanks i am home ealy from my sportsnight was it not funny 12http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2008/nchdbkfig17pg6.html yes it was fun, but i was a bit out of breath 12That is the pattern we are discussion OH SORRY THAT WAS THE DEPT OF NATURAL RESOURCES MAN THEY ARE GOING TO BURN OUR FIELDS TOMORROW hello aktatter HI MARCO GLAD YOU MADE IT 06wb Georgia... Marco dubbel klik op de link dan zie je waar we het over hebben me to SO DID ANYONE FIND ANOTHER MISTAKE? no 06possibly in the joinings and total numbers on the cloverleafs? oke i see a pattern of a edging OK LET'S GO DOWN THE PATTERN 12That's a good plan 06when you are doing the first ring, there is no picot to join the second side to. yes it is marco RING 14 - 14 OK? 06I don't count so well without my glasses and I can't see the computer with them 06from the chain, up gthe side CHAIN (2 -) X7 2 ds + OK? there is noplace for join 12Well, later on you join to the bottom of that ring? 063rd chain should be after the next clover, not immediately after the 2nd chain 06oops I goofed and didn't do thye clover at the top THE JOIN IS TO THE PICOT AT THE TOP OF THE FIRST RING THEN THE CLOVELEAF woh is everione tatting and chatting?? yes R 20 (WITH 2 DS BETWEEN PICOTS) o well i will listen THAT IS OK 06I am ripping our my chain up the second side Marco I'll tel you at later on oke tine thanks R 2 + JOIN TO LAST RING, 18 WITH PICOTS SEP BY 2 DS 06Sorry must go. Will be back tonight 06bye Marie THAT JOIN IS MADE TO THE LAST PICOT OF THE FIRST RING OF THE CLOVERLEAF 12Bye for now BYW MARIE 06Bye all bye Marie THE NEXT LINE 12ok bye marie R 2 + JOIN TO LAST RING, 18 WITH PICOTS SEP BY 2 DS *** Marie has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) THEN COMES THE SECOND CHAIN CH (2 - ) X 7, 2 DS + TO BOTTOM OF FIRST RING THAT LINE IS OK 12how join? yes PRETEND THAT THE HOLE OF THE RING IS A PICOT 06shuttle join? OR 06Ok that would work too SLJ WOULD BE OK TOO oo AFTER THE RW CONTINUE TO CHAIN CH (2 -) X 7, 2 DS RW 12RW? 06SLJ? I'm not sure REVERSE WORK = RW yes 06c SLJ USING THE SHUTTLE THREAD ONLY AND THE CENTER OF THE RING YOU PRETEND IS A PICOT 06shuttle lock join? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/shtljoin.html http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/braid.htm oke USE THE SHUTTLE THREAD ONLY FOR THAT ok NOW WE ARE READY TO START THE BIG CLOVERLEAF 06got it my brain is slow today...sorry 12I must be twisting something wrong. I don't see how RW goes here mine is to cynthia join the club hihih NANCY YOU ARE WORKING ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE WORK FOR THE INITIAL RING, CHAIN ONE THE CLOVERLEAF AND CHAIN TWO AT THAT POINT YOU RW TO TAT THE CHAIN yes 06c WHICHS MOVES YOU FORWARD TO THE LARGE CLOVERLEAF MOTIF m THAT CHAIN MIGHT ALSO BE TATTED DIRECT METHOD (WRAPPING THE DS LIKE A SPLIT RING IS WRAPPED) BUT IN ANY CASE WORKS THE DS IN REVERSE HALF STITCH ORDER 12I'll just have to try again... thanks TO KEEP THE ALL FRONT SIDE LOOK OK LARGE CLOVERLEAF R 10 + 10 ok BE SURE TO CORRECT THE PATTERN LINE I have done it THE JOIN IS MADE TO THE LAST PICOT ON THE SECOND CHAIN good for you girl!! SUPER TINE! thanks 06should it be 8ds p 4 ds p 8ds? R 15 + 5 - 15 yes 06Ok got it 12And where does the + join? IT COULD HAVE BEEN CYN BUT THE ORIGINAL LOOKED LIKE 15 + 5 - 15 TO ME 12Time to stand on my head again... hihi THAT JOIN IS MADE TO THE 6TH PICOT OF THE ADJACENT RING 06I was just doing it based on 10-10 I missed the 15+5-15 12ok. good, I'll try that 06computer no glasses...paper yes glasses... OK LAST RING 10 - 10 CLOSE AND RW yes LAST CHAIN (2 - ) X 7, 2 RW THAT TAKES YOU THROUGH AN ENTIRE REPEAT ok 12Whew! SO THIS EXERCISE TELLS US TWO THINGS