Session Start: Mon Mar 10 14:01:32 2008 *** Now talking in #tatchat 12you'll want to look up lesson 1 and give things a try. Then you'll know what to ask Mimi or Katia 12hi Georgia! No, I'm not going to convention this year. I will be at Hector, and at Fringe Element, and at Zig Zag Corner in Greenfield Indiana in June or July Hi all Hi Georgia! just add two links to the less you will want to print Hi Georgia., we have a new member that need the beginners class., can you help her., Willow http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2008/2008index.html Ill be back after I check for those needing help? Who is the new tatter please?? some time when I am in Greenwood., I would like to go to Zig Zag too. new tatter is Willow oh ok ! Maybe you mean me. I'm Dee Whiting from Carlsbad (San Diego) California. I don't know how to make it show my name. Willow why not stay and visit with us today then you can check in with mimi and katia sorry was writing address and I plan to stay and watch you have already registered for class I think? 12Dee, do you see the white space, lower right corner, under "change nick to"? good brb 12type your name in that white space, then hit Enter *** Tatter is now known as Dee 12cool! 12now we all know who you are 12;-) Hooray! Thanks for telling me about nick. I've never done chat before. so happy to have you Willow thanks 12i still have a lot to learn.... 12So Willow and and Dee are both new tatters? There is always something new to learn, that is what makes it so much fun! that;s right i have been looking online and there is soooo much to learn *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 12but it's all fun! I've tatted for a long time, and read about it. But there is always something to learn. I taught myself how to tat as a teenager from a 1940's book my mother had. *** Tatter is now known as Kate hello Kate 12Wow, I tried teaching myself from a book but the only available book was too advanced.... Hi Kate! Hi everyone! Hi Kate They always forget to explain about flipping. 12ended up spending time with an elderly lady in my town who taught me to tat. 12exactly. and the photos in some books are not as ...umm...detailed...as others. And you are passing it on, too. what is the best starting book and where do I get it? 12I think we're all helping to pass it along 12I like a book called "Shuttle tatting without a teacher" by Betty Alderson Ask Georgia Probably the best one to start with is the booklet from Lacis 12I don't actually OWN the book, but I've seen it at the local needlework store and I think it's terrific. 12oh, the booklet from Lacis is a good one, too....forgot about that one. 12and the beginner class helps - follow along with the class and whatever book you get Of course I love the Easy Tatting book from Dover with 12 patterns for beginners, and beginner instructions... But then I am the not objective on that 12I wish I'd seen that one when I was learning. FYI I wrote it under the pen name Rozella Linden when all I knew how to do was Rings and Chains and Joins 12Ruth - have you seen Mark Myers' new book - tatting with 1 shuttle? That's supposed to be "easy," right? The online vids are a big help, too. 12That's all I knew for 20 years....rings, chains, and joins. I don't think I've seen it, but it would be a great one to have. 12I get confused with the pen name....so you ARE the Celtic tatting "goddess" who wrote all those cool books/patterns, then.... ;-) I am supposed to do a display on tatting this week, so I went to YouTube and searched for tatting. Many hits were for tattooing, lol. so nice to see you al here today I think that's all most of us knew for a LONG time. Then we learned about split rings, and all the other newer things, and life as we knew it is gone forever - Yeah ok i have a question say you have made a ring and then are supposed to chain, do you use anther thread for the chain Hi Georgia! did every one get the new lnks printed okk? yes hey there Kate ok let;s get signed in please Still working on them. GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA 12you use either the ball thread or a different color, whichever you choose. Maary Jane Brittingham Santa Claus., Indiana usa thank you Ruth Perry Miamisburg, Ohio rjpoms on Yahoo email Liz, weaver_wool@yahoo.com Exchange,WV shuttle 12Stephanie W, in Georgia (again....temporarily) after "wandering" a while Kate Huttar, Dallas area, Texas USA 12Ruth was that you who moved several times in 1 year...last year, maybe? Willow Taylor, Glendale az, We moved three times in 12 months 12We've been "working" on moving since last fall....still sorting and packing. Ugh! 12I don't know how you managed it!@ What about printing the links? I have seen a few lists, but sometimes I cannot find the list a second time, sorry. OK LET'S START WITH THE NOTES IN THE LAST TATLIST MESSAGE http://rozellalinden.blogspot.com/ DEE, TO FIND THE LINKS FOR THE LESSON GO TO THE CLASS WEBSITE WWW.GEORGIASEITZ.COM then SCROLL DOWN TO CLICK ON THE INDEX FOR 2008 12oh, I love the egg, looked at it last night - it's SO cute THE LESSONS ARE LISTED BY DATE NEWEST AT THE TOP YES, RUTH HAS ALSO PREPARED THE PATTERN FOR US AND IT WILL BE AVAILABLE SHORTLY. I LOVED THE EGG TOO 12fantastic! I can hardly wait to do one for Easter! Had to find something to make with the block tatted Ric Rac AND eRING SPOTTED ANTOEHR SITE WITH HOW TO TO MAKE RICK RACK ROSES http://www.wrights.com/wrights/class/04_easter/rickrackflowers/rickrackflowers .htm#d WHICH WE HPOE WE CAN DO SOON WITH THIS BLOCK TATTED FAUX RIC RACK AND NANCY'S MAGOLIA WAS RELLY VERY GOOD http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0802magnolia.asp yes it was AND NOW THEN WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER SUBSTITUTIN BLOCK TATTING FOR BRUGGES CROCHET One of the sites also has links to lots of other ric rac flowers too, but I don't remember which one it was. Just follow the other links on the page for dasies, mums, 4getmenots, etc THE CLASS HAS PREVIOUSLY DONE A STUDY YES THAT WAS THIS ONE i AM SURE RUTH What is Brugges Crochet? JUST TAKE A LOOK HERE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/bruges/brugesjm.html http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/bruges/brugesjz.html http://groups.msn.com/cro-tatting/tattingmix.msnw http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/hp/hairpinbasics.html http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/braid.htm THIS FIRST LINK SHOWS THE WORKS OF JANE MOODY http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/bruges/brugesjm.html I've done granny squares and ripple and popcorn and some crocheted doilies IT IS A CROCHET BRAID VERY DENSE OFTEN SEEN IN EUROPEAN CROCHET PATTERNS AND USED IN THE ANNA MAGAZINE A LOT TOO cool! ESP FOR HANGING ORNAMENTS neat AND BELOW THAT LINK IS JEANNE ZUKOWSKI'S SAMPLE 12I've done a lot of crochet with yarn, but never bruges http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/bruges/brugesjz.html NEXT TAKE A LOOK AT THE SAMPLE BY ROGER FREEDMAN FYI ROGER TEACHES A NEEDLE TATTING GROUP ONLINE AND HIS EWBSITE HAD GREAT RESOURCES ON IT http://groups.msn.com/cro-tatting/tattingmix.msnw TEH FIRST SAMPLE BY ROGER HAS A ROW OF HAIRPIN OR MALTESE CROCHET IT IS THE WHITE ROW I NTHE CENTER THE PINK DOILY HAS THE BRUGGES CROCHET AGAIN VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW BY JANE AND JEANNE 12Hey, I've learned something! COol! I remember thinking you could probably do the "hairpin" stuff using ...umm...perle tatting. HEY GREAT STEPH PS NOTE THAT WHITE HEART IN BOBBIN LACE AND TATTING I THINK THAT IT IS REALLY COOL 12oh, that was pretty BUT I DIGRESS 12made me want to go learn bobbin lace.... THE BLUE BOOKMARK HAS TEH HAIRPIN LACE AGAIN 12;-) AND THE PURPLE ONE HAS THE BRUGGES CROCHET THIS PURPLE ONE POINTS OUT A FEATURE OF THE BRUGGES THAT SHOULD BE EASILY IMITATED IN BLOCK TATTING I BELIEV E AS YOU PROGRESS FROM ONE ROW TO THE NEXT IN THE TATED BLOCK WE LEAVE ONLY ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE BEND BUT HERE THEY ACTUALLY ADD A LINE OF CROCHETEDCHAIN TO ACCENTUATE THE BEND IF WE DO THIS WITH CONTINUING THE TATTED BLOCK ALONG THAT LINE I THINK IT WOUL DMESS UP THE PATTERN BUT WHAT IF? WE ADDED A LONG PICOT ON THE LOWER ROW AND THEN TWISTED IT BEFORE JOINING ON THE SECOND ROW? ANY SUGGESTIONS? ANY ONE STILL AWAKE? If you are wrapping direct stitches you can do actual twisted cord on the long picots. 12I can't quite picture it mentally yes. still here The twisted cord picots stay twisted even if you don't join to them HOW WOULD IT WORK RUTH? SO JUST TAKE BOTH SHUTTLES AND TWIST THE TWO THREADS TOGETHER TIGHTLY? Just twist the thread in the same direction as the twist in the thread, letting the shuttle hang so it twists too. THEN GO DIRECTLY BACK IN THE TATTING? Then use a picot gauge to measure the picot and hold it in place while you tat the next stitch *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as Marie WELCOME TATTER PLEASE SIGN IN no you only twist the one thread, but it doubles back on itself making the twisted cord 12hi Marie HI Y AMARIE Sorry I'm late Glad you made it O I C DOUBLING BACK ON ITSELF SURE THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES EVEN WHEN i DON'T WANT IT TOO Thanks everyone LOL! yes it does MARIE WE ARE DISCUSSING THE POSSIBILITY OF REPLACING BRUGGES CROCHET WITH BLOCK TATTING The thread is NOT the boss of me! OOOO OH I FEAR YOUR VERY SHUTTLES TREMBLE!!! Yes I have been working on that all day HAVE YOU ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR US MARIE? You go Ruth Photos! Please OH YES! pretty please? I was trying the braid that Jane did OH THAT IS A GOOD ONE http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/braid.htm THAT IS AFTER ALL A BLOCK EVEN IF JUST 3 DS WIDE If you work three of the block rows and do a picot or a couple of chains at the end of the third OH THE SUSPENSE IS GETTING TO ME You will have either the picot or the small chain to tat into on the next round WHEW Did I get it all out? I THINK SO! 12Oh, I knew somebody would have thought it out better than I could say it. This sounds like what was in my head when I woke up thiw morning except I was thinking 4 DS in the block rows 12;-) Question is a zig zag chain half stitches or whole stitches, groups of whole stitches or all of the above? ZIG ZAG = RICK RACK TO ME BUT OFTEN ZIG ZAG CONFUSED WITH "Z" CHAIN AS OPPOSED TO "S" CHAIN WHOLE DS If you do 4 then you come out on the same side at the end of the block, right? 12Z chain? What's that? now you've opened the box, pandora's box IF USING HS THEN YOU GET "VICTORIAN SETS" OOPS 12Oh, I was thinking 4 DS, Marie, but odd-numbers of rows OK EVERY THREAD TWISTS A CERTAIN DIRECTION 12right.... IF THE TWIST IS TO THE RIGHT = S Not all the same direction either IF THE TWIST IS TO THE LEFT = Z 12like perle cotton's twist YEP! You can use any # of ds's in each row. Four will make it wider. 12but how does that relate to "z" and "s" Chains? GA did you get the pictures I sent of the rings? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/gazeboposts.jpg TODAY MARIE? Yesterday 12oh, duhhh... I can be SO dense at times, Georgia. 12I thought the chain itself curved differently. 12 www.paradisetreasures.com/schainvszchain.html bina also posted a very nice comparison of s and z chains I can send them again 12aha! So it DOES curve differently! Now I see it! ;-) maybe Marie I have not gotten through al of yesterday's email nor Saturdays' nor Fridays's not even all of feb. 15th rofl Bad AK... must do email! so that visual of the s and z chain You been busy 12I can understand the deluge of mail....I get very little compared to you, and when I was away for 3 weeks, it really piled up! it sure does *** Tatter has joined #tatchat welcome tatter please sign in *** Tatter is now known as Tine if you bent those chains back on each other and joined them voila 12hi TIne tatted block! *** Tine is now known as Tinehi and speaking of block tatting *** Tinehi is now known as Tine just look what martha ess is sharing with the class Hi Tine Hi all THREE NEW BLOCK TATTED PATTERNS yes 12oh, I saw them - they're cute! Martha is the queen of block tatting Shamrock http://tinyurl.com/3d8qt8 Rainbow & pot of gold http://tinyurl.com/2vgepv 12I was just thinking that, Ruth! YES INDEED SHE IS AND A NEW BOOK IS NEARLY READY ALSO! LETS TAKE A QUICK LOOK WILLOW THESE MAY LOOK DIFFICULT TO YOU TODAY 12Tine, we've already moved the clocks 1 hour ahead in the US. (Just in case you didn't know that....I almost missed it myself and I LIVE here!) BUT A COUPL EOF WEEKS FROM NOW UNDER MIMI AND KATIA'S GUIDANCE THIS WILL BE OLD HAT o no we have not SHAMROCK 12Oh, yes, WIllow, don't let this scare you. You will be able to do it just fine in a few weeks. so I am too late !!!!!!!! 12well...no, we're still talking about the lesson. yep alittle beyond me Trying to attach pictures now WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SHAMROCK BY MARTHA TINE yes 12Willow even the stuff that looks terribly difficult....the more times you look at it, the more you get used to looking at it, the easier it will seem....and one day you will realize "I can do that." i have seen it STEM TO CENTER RING NO PROBLEM BUT TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE BLOCK IT IS 5 ROWS yes REMEMBER THATN ODD NUMBER OF ROW MEAN YOU ARE MOVING FROM A TO B EVEN NUMBER OF ROWS MEAN YOU GO FROM A BACK TO A IN THE FIFTH ROW GA do you want them. They are attached to an email to you YOU JOIN NACK TO THE VSP ON THE CENTER RING yes SURE MARIE! LOOK AT THE PHOTO CLOSELY YOU CAN SEE HOW THE OUTE ROW COMES DOWN CLEAR TO THE CENTER OK ANY QUESTIONS?? what am I getting myself into lol Fun, lots of fun! lots of questions FUN FOR A LIFETIME WILLOW 12oh, yes, LOTS of fun! 12and lots of tatting friends. ok I will take it on SO TRUE AND PERHAPS BEST OF ALL RAH!!! 12and pretty things all over the house, and everything else you want to put tatted lace on. You go girl! :) OK RAINBOW WE HAVE A SECOND RAINBOW FROM LINDA DAVIES TOO BUT I AM SAVING IT FOR THE APRIL SHOWERS/MAY FLOWERS LESSOON That was pretty! MARTHA'S RAINBOE 12I love the pot of gold, it's so cute! I am missing all of this stuff I DON'T THINK I GOT THE POT OF GOLD., WHERE IS THAT I think Martha can tat anything in block tatting that can be tatted! 12might have to make a card....just so I have an excuse to make the rainbow and pot of gold.... Shamrock http://tinyurl.com/3d8qt8 Rainbow & pot of gold http://tinyurl.com/2vgepv THOSE ARE MARTHA'S PATTERNS JUST ADDED THIS AM . HER RAINBOW HAS SEVERAL COLORS NATURALLY OH. I DIDN'T GET THOSE YET SO IT MEANS CUTTING AND TYING HMMM DID i MENTION I WAS BEHIND IN EMAIL? ooh, lots of ends! Guess that's natural for a rainbow. OH WELL, i AM BEHIND IN POSTING HOMEWORK TOO I can cut and tie real good 12hehehehe...but if you glue it on a card you can hide the ends the lazy way. (wicked grin) AND THESE LINKS JUST CAM E IN THIS AM OH SNEAKLY STEPH BUT THAT IS SENSIBLE good point, winkerbill! IF IT IS TO BE GLUED DOWN If you sew it onto a crazy quilt you sew it with the ends ANOTHER GREAT IDEA yes 12hehehe...I've done THAT sneaky one, too....hide the ends as you sew it on. I have done that too NOW FOR THE ALL IMPORTANT POT OF GOLD 12I'm ready! Got some really sparkly beads here! Vee Half Vays to Deal with these tings... (in my best horrow movie voice) horror, typosis CONTAGIOUS epidemic 12typosis = ok gapsosis = not so great unless it's intentional 12;-) THE POT BEGIN UP AT THE TOP LEFT UNDER THE COINS PS THE BEAD STORE OFTEN HAS THESE FAUX COINS OR ORIENTAL GOLD COINSAS BEADS How about sequins? THE POT GETS FATTER AT THE MID POINT HOLOGRAPHIC SEQUINS! don't we all, sigh . lol 12hey, quit talking about me! 12;-) AND THE LAST ROW THROWS OFF 2 PICOTS FOR LEGS LOL very cute GOSH THESE PATTERNS LOOK SO SIMPLE WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THEM? DUH? I love the rainbow and pot of gold! IT TAKES A GREAT DESIGNER TO MAKE IT LOOK SO "DOABLE" MANY THANKS TO MARTHA FOR SHARING HER WORK IWTH US 12yeah....like a good musician makes it sound and look like you could train your dog to do THAT....then you take a few lessons and realize otherwise? Well, there is a pot of gold and a rainbow on the tatting pattern calendar from last year... so I did think of them, just not in block tatting I HOPE YOU WILL ALL VISIT HER WEBSITE ALSO Yes we do http://home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-tatsamore Martha's work is awesome! YES IT IS 12Ruth where is the tatting pattern calendar? I can't seem to pull anything up since...Christmas, and I can't get older or newer patterns for some reason. Did you change it? Gotta try those *** Tatter has joined #tatchat OK ANY QUESTIONS? WELCOME TATTER *** Tatter is now known as Bob HI YA BOB Hullo All! WE HAVE JUST FINSISHED Hi Bob Finished? BUT BE SURE TO GET THESE PATTERNS JUST POSTED BEFORE CLASS time change got ya http://tat-calendar.blogspot.com there is a search box at the top of the page, just type in a word, then scrolldown the page for all patterns with that word in them I thought class was at the usual time? Shamrock http://tinyurl.com/3d8qt8 Rainbow & pot of gold http://tinyurl.com/2vgepv 12thanks Ruth. TEH US CHANGED TIME Oh no. Our time change isn't untilt he end of the month Sill me Bob the clock is setan hour Silly 12Time change snuck up on me, too.... Daylight savings time AND a Winter snow advisory! Both on the same day? SOMETIMES WISH THEY WOULD LEAVE THE TIME ALONE me, too!