Session Start: Mon Dec 03 14:06:02 2007 *** Now talking in #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as DorcasAnn 12I was always told I tat "weird." Now I know I'm just ...ummm..."vintage." ;-) 06hi Georgia. hello all Hello Dorcas Ann 06hi Dorcas 05hi aktatter 12hi Georgia! Hello AK Linda B - my chat Linda - right ? 09Donna Thompson I can find out the other. May have been Lorena Finnerty? trying to help betty get into class brb Hello, everyone 12oh, cool. Thanks Marie! 09Hi GA hi Marie - going to meet her tomorrow - all being well. I bought her a pink tatting shuttle on Saturday. Well, she is 4 days old!! 06*grin* Susanne...yep 05Hello 09Hi Dorcas Ann Dorcas., did you get my baby picture Hi, Marie 12umm...Jane....is she supposed to teethe on it or learn to tat with it? Aren't we starting her just a TINY bit young? Yes, Mary Jane, I got the 2 pictures; they are cute 12Jane, be sure to get her a cornet mouthpiece, too....or at least a trumpet mouthpiece. 09I should have shown you how I teach children. Maybe I can do that before she is ready! I am a proud great grandma 12Never can start playing TOO early, you know. 06Susanne, I'll be on MSN after class... No, Stephanie - it's known as 'doctrination'. Just like ducks who think the first thing they see is their mom!! OK so will I for a little while then 06great! 12ok...give her the trumpet mouthpiece before you give her the shuttle, then. ;-) 12Jane you got a picture of her on the website yet? 05O o 12brb - my tea should be ready ....got a whole pot full.... 05OOOO nice Ilike tea well I hope Betty makes it I lost her in the ether somewhere my tea is ready too., Ice Tea 05can i have a cup? please! sure so nice to see everyone here today oh don't mention msn it is giving me fits 05yes 04Iris is going to teach her 6 yo granddaughter. So I showed her and Mark how I teach them. And I usually teach adults the same way in the beginning for fun takes 4 hours to upgrade then stops at 99% all to do again arg No pictures of my family on the internet. Just toooo boring for people. Abbi was born on her cousin's seventh birthday!! 12i'm back. whole pot of hot tea, and i'll share if you want some. I'll catch up with you for lessons, Marie, when we next get over the pond! 05as a present ok evryone got their tea all settled in? yeh lets get started PLEASE SIGN IN 05Just in case.... If I desapear is because the electricity went off. It already happend 3 times today. gr.... 12yep GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA Mary Jane Brittingham., Santa Claus., In usa 12Stephanie Wilson trompete@bellsouth.net Athens, GA USA 05Wally Sosa, Egypt needledreams@yahoo.com Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN, USA 05Tine Vedder from Ede in the Netherlands 04Steph,I would love a cup JAne Eborall, UK, with kangaroo in the other hand! 06Linda Barnes, Woodbridge, VA lingram2@comcast.net 04Marie Smith andersonSC tattingwithmarie@yahoo.com KAte Huttar, Dallas area, Texas USA Susanne Dantatter@gmail.com, Aarhus in Denmark 06USA WELCOME ONE AND ALL DEC. 3 2007 Marie! I need to get together with you next time I'm "home" in Greenville! THE LESSON TODAY IS FROM OUR OWN WALLY SOSA! http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/wallysnhybutterfly.pdf AND SHERON GOLDIN 04Oh, YES, Kate. That would be great! http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sherongppineapplerings.html AND IF TIME PERMITS I WOULS LIKE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION LINDA DAVIES NEW EARRING PATTERN http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/lindadxmastreeearrings.jpg OK PLEASE TURN FIRST TO THE HOMEWORKFILES Homework http://www.georgiaseitz.com/homework/homeworkindex.html jON FROM MALAYSIA HAS SENT IN THE FIRST HOMEWORK ON WALLY'S BUTERFLY ANS SHE SAYS THERE IS A MISTAKE IN IT 05She's fast! lol AND SHE CHALLENGES US TO FIND IT! 05oh, oh... WELL THE PATTERN GOES WEST WHEN IT IS SENT I UNDERSTAND FROM JANE E TAT SHE IS ALWAYS THE LAST TO RECEIVE IT OK NELLIE HALL YOUNGBURG 05the mistake is in mine or the original pattern? 40 DESIGNS THE COVER IS POSTED FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO LOOK FOR THE ORIGINAL I THINK SHE MEANT IN HER OWN WORK WALLY 05ah, ok WALY SHOWS US TWO VERSIONS OF THE REMADE BUTTERFLY WALLY WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALKE US THROUGH IT? *** DorcasAnn has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 05OKAY. AH COMEBACK DORCAS! Which pattern, AKA? Should I have got one today? 05g DID YOU FIND THE BOOK ONLINE? 05? 05yes 12Georgia, can you reload the page later? I can't pull up the homework stuff (except for "old" things) 05I GOT THIS BOOK ONLINE AND I HAVE WORK FOM IT BEFORE. REMEMBER THE TATTED PIECE FROM SHERRY? i MADE HER A BASKET FROM THIS BOOK. AND ALSO THE BLUE BIRD OF HAPPY TATTING 05THE DESIGNS ARE GREAT BUT THIS TATTER USE A LOT OF CUTS AND TIES. OK WILL DO 12Wally are you using 2 shuttles wound with different colors? 05I USED 2 SHUTTLES 05EACH WITH A DIFFERENT COLOR 05mmmm 12ok, thanks RELOADED STEPH CUT AND TIE OH THE HORROR OF ITALL! 05IT CAN BE DONE WITH A SHUTTLE AND BALL BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A CLOVER THROWN OFF A CHAIN I PREFER THE 2 SHUTTLES 12tx Georgia *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as DorcasAnn WELCOME TATTER IS THAT YOU DORCAS? WB 05IN THE PATTERN THE BODY WAS DONE 1ST 05THEN THE RINGS OF THE UPPER WINGS yes, if I print off a pattern then it kicks me off the site BUMMER 05LATER THE LOWER WINGS AND THE REST OF THE BUTTERFLY 05ok OK 05I HATE TO MAKE SO MANY PIECES WHY IS THAT WALLY DO YOU HATE TO HIDE ENDS? LOL 05BRBR, OSRRY PHONE OK WELL THEN WALLY BEGAN AT THE HEAD RING NOTE LP = LONG PICOT WHICH ARE USED FOR THE ANTENNAE THAT RING IS FOLLOWED BY A CHAIN AND THEN THE RING OF 10'S THE NEXT CHAIN THOUGH HAS THE NOTE 05SORRY, WAS HUSBAND AT THE PHONE THAT IS OK WALLT WE ARE UP TO THE SECOND CHAIN 05ok WITH THE 12 PICOTS 05OKAY GO AHEAD WALLY *** Tatter has joined #tatchat WELCOME TATTER 05THAT CHAIN WITH 12 PICOTS I LEFT IT A LITTLE LOOSE ON THE 2ND BUTTERFLY OK 05BUT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE "MOLDED" A LITTLE WITH THE FINGERS TO GET IT RIGHT 05PLAY WITH THE TENSION HERE FOR NEW TATTERS THAT NOTATION ( - 6 ) X 12 MEANS TO TAT PICOT 6 12 TIMES TATTER TO CHANGE YOUR NAME TYPE ON A SEPARATE LINE /NICK YOURNAME 05ok 05ALSO THE BIG RING WITH THE 3 PICOTS CAN BE VARY. IT'S JUST A DECORATIVE RING OK 05YOU CAN MAKE IT BIGGER IF YOU WANT 05THIS BUTTEFLY I SEE A LOT OF VARIATIONS 05ok 05AFTER JOINING THE BIG CHAIN TO THE BASE OF THE RING MAKE ANOTHER CHAIN 05THIS TIME ONLY 12 05AND HERE IS WAY I USED 2 SHUTTLES. 05YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CLOVER OVER THE CHAIN TO MAKE THE "BUTT" OF THE BUTTERFLY *** Tatter979 has joined #tatchat WELCOME 979 05AFTER THE TOCL THEN IS A MATTER OF REPEATING THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUTTERFLY IN THE SAME WAY 05BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE VARIATION I MADE AT THE END. TO CHANGE YOUR NAME TYPE ON A SEPARATE LINE /NICK YOURNAME Hello from Susan in south-west London, UK (not the other SUE, I am Susan... *** Tatter is now known as Hope HI YA HOPE WELCOME SUSAN 05AFTER MAKING THE TOCL AND THE CHAIN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE SMALL RING OF 3 (- 3) X 3, JOIN TO THE BASE OF THE BIG RING 05hi Hope WE ARE DOING THE BUTTERFLY FROM WALLT hey precious... and All tatters worldwide 05THEN 3 (- 3) X 3 AND CLOSE THAT RING http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/wallysnhybutterfly.pdf 05THEN CONTINUE WITH THE PATTERN 05HI HOPE! neat flutterby Wally!! 05ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BODY OF THE BUTTERFLY? 05no 12Wally did you try this with the SLT instead of using 2 shuttles? (Do you think it would work that way?) 04Hi Hope 05IF YOU FOLLOW THE PATTERN, UPT TO THIS PART YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO TAT 4 MOTIFS hey Marie 05IT WOULD WORK STEPH BUT WILL BE MORE POINTY THE BUTT Hello Susan and welcome 05I LIKE IT MORE ROUNDED. LOL 12what, you don't like pointy butts? ;-) 06can you give us any hints as to how to keep it flat? butt of course... lol HELLO TATTER979 PLEASE SIGN IN TYPE YOURNAME SUSAN ON A SEPARATE LINE LIKE THIS /NICK SUSAN 12groannnnn, Hope 05THE BODY WILL RUFFLE A LITTLE BUT THEN WITH THE 2ND ROUND IT'S TAMED WELL I GET THE POINT BUT HATE TO LEAVE ENDS! vbg just got thru delivering the mail + am punchy... the pointy butt?? 05THE TENSION ON THE LONG CHAINS IS KEY, I THINK TO KEEP IT FLAT YES I THINK THAT THE TENSION IS THE KEY, THE TIGHTER THE BETTER 05ok AND THE MORE YOU COMPRESS A CHAIN BACK TO THE STARTING POINT THE MORE CURVE IS INDUCED IN TOTHE CHAINITSELF 06that's what I 06I'm having problem with the long chains keeping them straight. 05THE 2ND ROUND STARTS BETWEEN THE 2ND AND 3RD RING OF THE CLOVER 05YOU NEED THE BUTTERFLY TO BE WITH THE CLOVER UP AND IF YOU LIKE THE LOOK OF THE PICOTS IN CERTAIN WAY, LIKE ME, THEN THE FRONT SIDE UP I've got my thread ready - Circulo Aquarelle in size 70 and lots of shades so I am ready to go, got the pattern too.. I tat tightly but long chains are also causing me big problems 05THE LONG CHAINS WON'T STAY SRAIGHT, THEY WILL CURVE GREAT SUSAN 05THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO MOLD THEM INTO FORM 06yes, curve 05WHAT I DO IS I PLACE THE BUTTEFLY ON THE TABLE AND THEN PUT THE CHAIN ON THE BASE (NOT JOINED YET) WALLY DO YOU HAVE A MARIA LORENA VITERI IN THE SPANISH CLASS? FROM ECUADOR? 05AND THEN CHECK IF THE CHAIN NEEDS TO BE LOOSER OR TIGHTER 05i DON'T THINK SO... 05WHAT'S HER NICK? SHE IS ONLINE AND SENDING IN HOMEWORK I AM TRYING TO TELL HER TO COME TO CLASS MAYBE YOU COULD EMAIL QUICK? lviteri.rivera@andinanet.net OK QUESTIONS ON THE BUTTERFLY SO FAR? 05no 04no OK DID EVERYONE NOTE THE USE OF THE ALLIGATOR nope JOIN? THE BURDA CAPTURE JOIN? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/alligatorjoin.html http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/burdacapturedring.jpg *** LindaB has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 12was that after the long chain ? OK TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AND TRY TO FIND IT ROUND 2 05 send her an e-mail *** Tatter has joined #tatchat THANKS WALLY MAYBE SHE WILL GET IT QUICKLY AND JOIN US WE WERE DISCUSSIN THE THE ALLIGAOR JOIN ON ROUND 2 got booted....sorry about that. WB 05AH, I KNEW I FORGOT SOMETHING AND WAS TO PUT A LINK TO THE ALIGATOR JOIN. I ASKED THE CLASS TO FIND IT BUT NO HAS YET it's a nice butterfly...mine looks like a blog...hope it looks better after I block and stiffened it ? LoL ANYONE SPOT IT NOW? 12around the head? RIGHT ON STEPH 05THIS JOIN IS VERY NEAT WHEN YOU'RE WORKING IN A PATTERN AND HAVE TO CROSS OVER AN ELEMENT TO CONTINUE TATTING s THE BASE OF THE HAED RING HAS THE CAPTURE JOIN ACROSS IT SO RIGHT WALLY EXCELLENT SPOT TO USE IT 04After the 3rd r of clover, the alligator gois between the 2nd & 3rd rings of clover http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/alligatorjoin.html *** Tatter is now known as LindaB 12I was thinking of "cheating" and using one between the end of the long chain and the next chain in the 1st round.... 05NO, BETWEEN THE 2ND AND 3RD RING YOU JOIN TO START THE NEW ROUND 05THE ALIGATOR JOIN IS AT THE NECK OF THE BUTTERFLY IF YOU LOOK AT JON'S SAMPLE IT IS CLEAR THE CAPTURE JOIN WAS USED 12would it work if you just joined to the base of the head ring, then continued on the other side? 04ahhhhh!!! http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/alligatorjoin.html LOOK AT THE CLOVER AT THE BOTTOM STEPH 05YOU'LL HAVE 2 THREADS IN THE BACK OF THE NECK THAT WAY IF YOU LEFT OFF THE CENTER RING OF THE CLOVER Clever YOU COULD SO IT AS A SPLIT RING ON THE SECOND ROUNG MAKING IT CONTINUOUS 05ok OK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WALLY? 12oh, I see it! Yes! But you'd have to use the same color on both shuttles or the b-fly's butt would end up 2 colors 06thank you for sharing your version of the butterfly. 12Thanks! This is a really neat butterfly. 03Yeah WALLY!! 12You gonna stay up until 4 a.m. for the evening class, Wally? ;-) SLT 04Beautiful Wally. Great job 03man that is an all nighter... 05IF YOU USE THE TAKEDA (SP?) SSSR FOR THIS SR IT WILL REMAIN IN 1 COLOR YES WE STILL HAVE A LOT WE CAN LEARN BY REWORKING THIS ANTIQUE PATTERNS 12oh yeah, forgot about that.... THAT'S RIGHT WALLY I DID NOT THINK OF THAT ONE! 05ok 12you guys can't even IMAGINE how muhc I've learned from all you of in the last 5 or 6 months. 12much 12;-) 05THANKS! OH, NOW I SEE HOW TO MAKE IT IN ONE ROUND! SEE? i COULDN'T FIND AN WAY TO DO IT. BUT AT LEAST I DIMINISH THE ORIGINAL PATTERN OF THE 6 CUTS TO 2 *** Tatter979 is now known as Susan STEPH DID HER FIRS FRONT/BACK SIDE DOILY THIS WEEK IT IS POSTED IN TEH HOMEWORK FILES ALONG WIHT HER FIRST NEEDLE TATTED PIECE 04Hi Susan OK PLEASE TURN TO SHERON GOLDINS 12don't look too closely at the needle tatted one.... ;-) http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sherongppineapplerings.html BTW FOR THOSE WORKING O NTHE BETTY EARRING PROJECT So you don't reverse work when doing the chains between the loops on the butterfly? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/bettymcdearrings.html THIS WOULD BE A GOOD ONE 05WHAT WAS THE MISTAKE OF JON'S FLUTTER? I THINK I SAW IT BUT IT'S SO MINIMAL AND IF YOU HAVE A WALMRT NEARBY THE SELL BOTH THE CABONE RINGS 06k AND THEY HAVE A SET OF 6 PAIRS OF EARRINGS, GOLD AND SILVER HOOPS 05k FOR $5 EXCELLENT BUT 05AH.... IN MY PATTERNS NOW I DON'T WRITE RW BECAUSE I MOSTLY TAT NOW DIRECT TATTING 05BUT USUALLY AFTER A R THERE'S A RW FOR THE CHAIN ON THE BFLY SUSAN? TURN THE PATTERN PAGE UPSIDE DOWN WITH THE RINGS OF THE PINEAPPLE AT THE BOTTOM NOW YOU CAN SEE THAT AFTER YOU CLIMB OUT IN THE SPLIT RING INTO THE CHAINS YOU DONT HAVE TO DO A REGULAR RW BUT INSTREAD YOU TURNTHE WORK LIKE THE PAGE OF A BOOK http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/turningwork.html SEE IT NOW? TO MAINTAINTHE FRONT/BACK LOOK, ON EVERY OTHER PASS 05I can't see Steph homeworks TAT THE CHAIN IN REVERSE HALF STITCH ORDER STEPH DID YOU SEE IT AFTER i RELOADED? OK SUSAN? *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 12oh, sorry, I was tatting. I'll go look.... WELCOME TATTER hello *** Tatter is now known as marco OK THE CAB RING IS COVERED WITH WRAPPED STITCHES MARCO HOW LOVELY TO SEE YOU HERE hello everione WELCOME just got home and want to see hi Hi Marco 05hi Marco i just lsiten THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROJECT TO PRACTICE WRAPPING A SPLIT CHAIN 04hi Marco 12no, it's still not showing up. OK i WILL LOAD IT AGAIN BRB tine will fill me in with the tating i hope 05it looks very cute. i don't have the rings but i'll make a tatted one 05yes 05sure I'll do that hello aktatter, nice to see you to here lol 04It is so quiet OK IF THAT DOESN'T DO IT i MUST HAVE AN ERROR INT HE HTML OK COVER THE CAB RING Yes so many tatters around and not a word spoken THEN AS YOU WORK THROW OFF THE 6 RINGS AND DO THE SPLIT RING LAST 05yes THEY MUST AL LBE DREAMING OF CHRISTMAS SUSANNE ROFLOL AK no just studying CLIMB OUT THROUGH THE SPLIT RING BEGIN THE CHAINS 06I'm just lurking right now. 05no fr sinterklaas 12I jus tchecked again...still didn't come up. CHAIN FROM SIDE TO SIDE TURNING THE WORK AS NECESSARY 05yes AND DOING REVERSE HS ORDER AS DESIFRED *** Tatter has joined #tatchat WELCOME TATER 06they work for me. ER TATTER AH THANK GOODNESS LINDA 12I FINALLY figured out how Santa Claus gets around the world in 1 night. He starts on 6 December in the netherlands....doesn't finish in the US till the end of the motnh! NOW THE BOTTOM OF THE PINEAPPLE hi again HAS A LITTLE SPLIT RING TO HIDE HE ENDS BUT IT COULD ALSO HAVE A TASSEL LOL Stephanie 05good so Stephanie AH HA! 12maybe i'll have to reboot to get teh homework stuff to show up. I KNEW SC HAD A TRICK TO IT With the long chainafter the second ring on round one is it 6 ds, picot x 12 so you have 11 picots or 12 picots? HEY HAS ANYONE SEEN THE COMMERCIAL FOR SUGAR COOKIES WHERE THE LITTLE BOY CATCHED DAY EATING SANTA'S COOKIES? 12i haven't....is it cute? no 03 cookies?? *** Tatter has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) ADN THE KID PANICS? FEARING THAT SC WILL NOT STOP WITHOUT COOKIES IT IS A REAL GOOD LAUGH *** Tatter has joined #tatchat lets see if i am back 05laughing ON WALLY'S BUTTERFLY SUSAN 12that's so cute! I COUNT 12 PICOTS WALLY CAN YOU VERIFY? 05The 2nd long chain? Yes, on the butterfly, trying to tat and type together doesn't work 05The 1st olong chain you make 12 picots 06no it sure doesn't I had to frog some of mine. 05but on the 2nd long chain you join the 1st one and then make 11 picots FROG STITCH WHERE LINDA? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS O NTHE PINEAPPLE RING? what is frog stiches 06I made a wrong join and had to frog two rings and a chain...lol 05no what is a frogstich? 06rip it, rip it out and re do it. cute i am marco but it wil not change my name hihi