Session Start: Mon Nov 14:00:33 2007 *** Now talking in #tatchat you too hi Georgia! Hi GA Hi Georgia hi Gerogia We have that problem sometimes when we demonstrate in the Summertime and it's really hot and humid *** Tatter940 is now known as JaneEb Hi Georgia! hello all Hi Georgia, I hope you received my E-mail. Do you use baby powder or is there a better way to handle it? I'm going to go check if anyone needs help Hi AKA & all - old git from UK signing in!!! is that Carol Forbes? Carol, I have family in Iowa Damp thread is difficult to work with, so we try to bring a fan to keep cool howdy ol' git from the ol'moo ok brb aha....tat with a fan.... Hi, old mooooo Waterloo, Dysart and Davenport Hi Jane Yes, it's me. hi Jane I finally got brave enough to actually download the gekko today. I'm from the Cedar Rapids, Iowa City area. Maybe I"ll give him a try after Christmas. when things "calm down" here (yeah, right....calm down) gecko's don't bite!!! I have been to Cedar Rapids ;-) maybe I do.... the Gekko is nice to do Marie, where are you from? he's cute. South Carolina Thanks, folks That's one of the few states that I have not been to yet. I thought I'd sew him to the back of a t-shirt...like he's climbing up and almost on my shoulder... My mother's family name was Barta thas nice Stephany Really? The "old country" family name on my father's side was Barta is your mother's family Czech....or from Bohemia? You must come to our Palmetto Tat Days That sounds interesting. Is tatting big in SC? yes How did Palmettos get started? Grandfather Bohemian grandmother German, named Jungclaus cool! I wonder if we're related! I have cousins in the midwest I've never met. About 6 years ago, I guess. Are thei coming from Europa is tatting big in SC?? rofl Just avid tatters wanted to promote tatting Were there a lot of tatters in the COlumbia SC area to start with, or did 1 person sort of teach a bunch of others and gradually a core group formed? Carol look here later http://www.palmettotatters.org/ Started with 5 or 6 I want a group like that in NC.... ok Carol I read your email. ok...i think we've got 2 in Hickory.... ;-) there is a good group in NC Steph You will not be far from us Steph 3 or 4 to go and we'll have a group http://www.georgiaseitz.com/~sherong/guilds/index.html The problem is I can't drive far....30 minutes, 45 tops...then I get back and neck problems that don't go away. that is the IOLI list of lace guilds there are 3 pretty good lace groups, but they're all 1 1/2 to 2 hours away.... did everyone get the lesson printed ok? I'll have to use it onscreen for now. yes I did tatter to change your name type /nick yourname Got the lesson printed Yes. I have the lesson ok good 2 more minutes open chat *** Carol has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) btw there is a thunder storm passing just north of me right now in case I lose power Ruth can talk you through the lesson *** Tatter229 has joined #tatchat welcome 229 I'm hoping the 1 tatter in Hickory is part of one of the 3 lace groups ....and I can carpool with her, maybe. We need rain badly Palmetto tat guild got started when one person donated a tatting book to the library with a phone number in the back to call if anyone was interested in learning tatting. THunderstorm? Our church prayed for rain, but didn't specify where....I guess you got it. *** Tatter229 is now known as Carol wb carol We've got mostly blue sky with a few streaky white clouds here. TY temperatures in teh upper 60s. ok tatter don't be shy just type in the skinny window at the bottom of the screen Steph, 2 of them in Hickory came to Tat Days this year Yeah, one of them doesn't answer e-mail, the other one I've talked to in europe now is snow and rain and she's interested in getting together. So I'm not dreading the move quite as much as I did before you hooked me up with another tatter. Almost 70 here ok let;s get started please sign in Thanks.... GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS AKTATTER@AOL.COM Stephanie Wilson Athens, GA USA trompete@bellsouth.net Mary Jane Brittingham Santa Claus., Indiana You will enjoy having a tatter close-by NOVEMBER , 2007 AFTERNOON SESSION Yes, I'm looking forward to it Carol Forbes North Liberty Iowa cforbes385@earthlink.net Tine Vedder Netherlans c.vedder2@chello.nl Ruth Perry Miamisburg, Ohio rjpoms at yahoo.com Marie Smith Anderson SC tattingwithmarie@yahoo.com Jane Eborall 'somewhere' in the UK!!!!! warning - i've got a migraine - if I don't make sense, just ignore me for now. RUTH PERRY IS SHARING HER "TWISTED TATTING" WITH US TODAY. http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/ruthp2007snowflake.pdf PLEASE TURN TO THE SNOWFLAKE PAGE got iT! Oh yes twisted it is. THE FIRST THING i WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE DIAGRAM BY RUTH ON THIS PAGE AND ON THE SECOND PAGE ABOUT THE HOLIDAY EDGING *** Tatter716 has joined #tatchat Kate Huttar, Dallas, TX; katelingo at huttar dot net yes RUTH IS USING A MUTED BACKGROUND OF TEH REAL LACE AND DRAWING THE DIAGRAM RIGHT ON TOP OF IT *** Tatter716 is now known as Debbie *** Tatter191 has joined #tatchat I FIND THIS NOT ONLY INNOVATIVE BUT VERY SENSIBLE *** Tatter191 is now known as Wally WELCOME DEB WALLY PLEAS SIGN *** Wally is now known as Wallyhi THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I HAVE A LITTLE THREAD LEFT ON A SHUTTLE. WHAT CAN I DO WITH THIS THREAD??? hi Wally! HEY KATE GLAD TO SEE YOU TOO Hi Debbie FOR THOSE WHO JUST SIGNED IN 05Wally Sosa Egypt needledreams@yahoo.com WE ARE ABOUTTO START THE SNOWFLAKE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/ruthp2007snowflake.pdf *** Wallyhi is now known as Wally Hi Debbie Hi Wally deborah strickland smoaks sc TATTER TO CHANGE YOUR NAME JUST TYPE /NICK YOURNMAE OK RUTH came early now late WE HAVE TWO SHUTTLES WOUND CTM yes Hi Georgia. Missed the last 2 or 3 classes. :( no we have one needle and a tangled mess http://members.aol.com/SLWelker/ctm.html LOL DEB HANG IN THERE Hi Wally and Debbie. *** Wally has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) CTM - CONTINUOUS THREAD METHOD RUTH?? DI DWE LOSE YOU? *** Tatter732 has joined #tatchat ALL RIGHT THEN START TATTING A SPLIT RING WITH ONE VERY BIG PICOT THAT WILL HAVE 6 RINGS JOINED TO IT. *** Tatter732 is now known as wally WB WALLY 6 - 6 oops, closed the wrong window OK ONE PICOT BIG ENOUGH FOR 6 RINGS TO BE JOINED TO IT GOT IT OOOOHHHH, that's why its so big....you're joining 6 rings to it! WHEN YOU COME TO THE SECOND HALF OF THE SPLIT RING - WE GET TWISTED YES STEPH THE HOLE IN THE CENTER OF THE SNOWFLAKE IS THE PICOT SPACE ok, NOW I got it! I do SO, I CONFESS I AM A SHUTTLE TATTER, WHEN NOT DOING FINGER TATTING AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD DO A NEEDLE TATTED SPLIT RING YOU WRAP THE FIRST HALF OF THE RING NORMAL DEB THEN UNTHREAD THE THREAD FROM THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE I've seen online directions for needle tatting split rings....unfortunately I don't know where.... USE THAT THREAS TO WRAP THE SECOND SIDE OF THE SPLIT RING THEN RETHREAD THE NEEDLE AND CLOSE Ruth - what size thread do you recommend for this snowflake? MY APPOLOGIES TO NEEDLE TATTERS FOR HAVING NO CLUE HOW TO DO THIS, HOPEFULLY SOMEONE ELSE ON HERE KNOWS MORE ABOUT NEEDLE TATTING I DID THE SNOWFLAKE IN SIZE 20 THREAD AND IT IS ABOUT 2.5 INCHES ACROSS ok and you know where my mess is ok...so size 30 is probably not to fragile.... i hope ;-) I THINK ANY OF THE LARGER SIZE THREADS WOULD WORK, BUT A SMALL THREAD WOULD NOT SHOW THE DETAIL OF THE TWIST SEE ROGER'S NEEDLE TATTING WEBSITE http://groups.msn.com/NeedleTattingTwo/treewithsplits.msnw THANKS GEORGIA! I WOULDN'T TRY THIS WITH SMALLER THAN 50 SIZE THREAD I THINK ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON... I DO THE TAKE THE THREAD OFF YOUR HAND AND TURN IT METHOD OF SPLIT RINGS. IF SHUTTLE TATTERS NEED TO REVIEW SPLIT RING SEE HERE http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SplitRings.htm hanks Can we do it without turning it over on the hand Ruth WHEN I PUT THE THREAD BACK ON MY HAND, I GIVE THE REMAINING CORE THREAD A HALF TWIST TO THE RIGHT SO THE CORE THREAD ON THE LEFT CROSSES OVER THE RIGHT i'm wondering if we can do the twist *after* we do the split part of the ring...before we close it... THEN I WRAP THE REMAINING STITCHES ON THIS CORE THREAD or are we actually sort of working on the "wrong side" to make the twist? NO, IN ORDER FOR THE FIGURE 8 TO HOLD YOU HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE TATTING THE REST OF THE STITCHES HM I AM THINKING THAT THE DEAD SPIDER HAND HOLD MAY NOT WORK HERE ok WHAT DO YOU THINK JANE? MARIE? oh...ok. must be the migraine thinking for me. brain isn't working right now. NO STEPH IT IS RUTH'S TWISTING THAT HAS US TIED UP IN KNOTS SO, WRAP THE NEXT 6 STITCHES, THEN TAT THE THROWN OFF RING, THEN 6 MORE STITCHES 05I'm like Steph. I think my brain got all twisted... yes I cannot figure it with daed spider CHUBBY CHECKER THEME HERE! COME ON LETS TWIST AGAIN LIKE WE DID LAST SUMMER I think the dead spider might open the figure 8.... WE'LL TWIST AROUND TEH CLOCK ALL NIGHT hihi I HAVEN'T TRIED IT WITH DEAD SPIDER I got more twists than the law allows I have never taken it off my hand before ;-( hmmmm...as far as I'm concerned, the only "good" spider is a DEAD spider JANE JUST SENT IN A VERSION OF THIS FLAKE 05I think I have an idea with the dead spider method. DID YOU DO DEAD SPIDER JANE? 05will practice it and tell you next session TELL US WALLY OK What is a dead spider method? OK JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT RUTH HAS US WORKING ON ONE RING, THE FIRST RING SO FAR yes what is it I COULD TRY A DEAD SPIDER AND REPORT BACK LATER CLASS http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/SplitRings.htm THERE IS THE DEAD SPIDER LINK CAROL ty IT IS A HAND POSITION TO WRAP THE BOTTOM PART OF A SPLIT RING SO YOU DO NOT TAKE THE RING OFF GTHE HAND I did a ring, reversed and did a SCMR with ring thrown off - I THINK. It was yesterday or the day before that I did it. I tried Ruth's way of working it and didn't like the result so did this t'other way. Off to make a drink - back in a minute OK BACK TO THIS TWISTED RING OK i think it gives your fingers a rest when you do the dead spider. OH GADS RUTH YOU'VE DRIVEN POOR JANE TO DRINK I KNEW IT WOULD HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER ROFL ROFLOL 05lol SHORT TRIP ANYWAYS, 05share with me jane! OK THE FIRST RING WE TAT NORMAL 6 VERY LARGE PICOT (VLP) 6 / ok, got that... THEN START TO DO THE WRAPPING PART AFTER MAKING A TWIST IN THE RING SO ON THE DIAGRAM WE DID THE RING IN YELLOW WITH THE PICOTWITH BLACK OUTLINE TWISTED THEN WE CONTINUE THE RING IN YELLOW WITH THE GRAY OUTLINE WRAPPING TO CENT ER POINT TO CLOSE THE RING, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GENTLY PUT THE CENTER OF THE RING IN THE PINCH AND SUPPORT THE TWISTED PART BETWEEN THE THUMB AND FINGER AND THEN STOPPING TO THROW OFF A RING WITH PICOTS. YES OK ok THEN THERE ARE 6 MORE WRAPPED STITCHES AFTER THE THROWN OFF RING BECAUSE WE ARE WRAPPING THE BOTTOM SIDE OF THE SPLIT RING, THIS MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO THROW OFF THE OUTER RING WITH PICOTS THEN CLOSE THE RING, SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY. THE CORE THREAD ACTUALLY IS IN A FIGURE 8 INSIDE THE STITCHES OK ANY QUESTIONS FOR RUTH SO FAR? no THIS MAKES THE RING LOOK LIKE A FIGURE 8 WHEN IT IS CLOSED so far, so good. IT TAKES SOME PRACTICE TO GET THEM LOOKING EVEN AND SYMETRICAL yes FOR MORE PRACTICE THROWING RINGS OFF A SPLIT RING SEE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/thrownring.html THE NEXT PART IS PRETTY EASY! USING THE 2ND SHUTTLE TAT A SHORT CHAIN YES AND I THINK THAT CLOSING IT SLOWLY WILL BE THE KEY TO NOT TANGLING OK GOT IT! THEN WITH SHUTTLE1 BEGIN THE NEXT RING kid sink running water anybody got the mop later guys JOIN TO THE VERY LARGE PICOT OF THE FIRST RING, AND DO THE TWIST COME ON BABY, LETS DO THE TWIST *** Debbie has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) GOOD POINT TO NOTE IS THAT THE RINGS IN BLACK ARE DONE WITH SHUTTLE 1 CHUBBY CHECKER HERE AGAIN? AND THE RINGS IN GRAY ARE SHUTTLE 2 NAW CHUBBY CHECKED OUT LOL YEAH, THE BLACK AND GRAY MAKES IT EASIER TO SEE WHICH SHUTTLE TO USE YES IT DOES VERY INTERESTING CONCEPT RUTH AND YOU SAY THAT YOU FINGER TATTED THIS ACTUALLY? I like the way you do the diagram on top of the tatting, Ruth I can see exactly what I'm supposed to do. and where it fits into what I'm doing. CHUBBY CHECKER WAS HERE TWO YEARS AGO TRYING TO SET A WORLD RECORD FOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DOING THE TWIST AT ONE TIME. THE ROADS WERE ALL BLOCKED OFF AND WE COULN'T GO ANYWHERE He's still alive? Wow! THAT'S GOOD STEPH GEE i HOPE SO WELL HE WAS TWO YEARS AGO ANYWAY THT WOULD HAVE BEENA RECORD FOR GUINESS! ok What, how long he lived, or how many people were doing the twist? Hi saw Chubby when I was 14! FINGER TATTING ALLOWS YOU A LITTLE LEEWAY IN TATTING FOR MORE INFO ON FINGER TATTING SEE: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/mum/fingertat.jpg http://groups.msn.com/NeedleTattingTwo/fingertattingpg1.msnw I guess because he was an "adult" when I was a very small child, I just thought he was "old" at the time.... THIS IS A FAIRLY SHORT PATTERN 14 MONTHS OLD YOU MEAN MARIE? :) WITH JUST THE 6 TWISTED RINGS, AND THROWN OFF RINGS OK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS O NTHE SNOWFLAKE? Oh, yes, 14 months LET'S TURN TO THE HOLIDAY EDGING PLEASE LOL OK, THIS IS ANOTHER TWISTED TATTING PATTERN He came to a sock hop in Spartanburg http://tat-calendar.blogspot.com/) http://tat-calendar.blogspot.com/) TAKE THAT PARENS OFF THE END PLEASE NOW i GOTIT RIGHT http://tat-calendar.blogspot.com/ THE CHAINS BETWEEN THE RINGS INTERWEAVE OVER THEN UNDER BETWEEN THE RINGS MAKING A CANDY CANE PATTERN yes you could do this in a child's school colors for "spirit day," too. HEY TINE WHERE'S MARCO? I STARTED IT WITH A CLOVER SO THERE WOULD BE A CENTER RING AT THE END TO ATTACH A BRACELET FINDING, BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARY FOR THE PATTERN THERE ARE LOTS OF POSSIBILITIES HERE marco is sporting and after that se is going somethink to drink with the club PRETTY MUCH ANY TWO OR THREE COLORS. wouldn't this make a great insertion for a fingertip towel? Do it in red, green and white and you've got Christmas presents.... IF YOU USE THREAD AND BALL CONTINUOUS THREAD METHOD FOR BOTH COLORS YOU WILL HAVE EVERY OTHER RING A DIFFERENT COLOR PLEASE NOTICE THAT RUTH CLEVERLY DID NOT MENTION THAT THIS PATTERN REQUIRED 4 SHUTTLES OR TWO SHUTTLES AND TWO AUXILIARIES I DID IT WITH 4 SHUTTLE FIRST, THEN WITH JUST 2 THAT WOULD BE GREAT ON A TOWEL STEPH what are auxilairies MARCO, TOO? GONE TO DRINK WHY MY GOODNESS! LOL you could do it with 2 shuttles and 2 balls, couldn't you? just be careful not to get tangled up.... THE BALL THREADS JUST NEED TO BE ON SOMETHING SO YOU CAN UNTANGLE AS YOU GO SHORT THREADS CAN BE PLACED ON FLOSS WINDERS = AUXILIARY SHUTTLE OR PRETEND SHUTTLE yes Ido IT GETS ALL "TWISTED" UP WITH THE WRAPPING OVER AND UNDER I do and then you could use 2 double-bobbin shuttles and REALLY get your head all tangled up.... *** Tatter067 has joined #tatchat I'M GETTING DIZZY, TWO DOUBLE BOBBIN SHUTTLES WOULD BE INTERESTING you could end up with 6 different colors that way.... ;-) *** Tatter067 is now known as Elizabeth OTHER THAN THE TWISTING THIS IS A FAIRLY EASY PATTERN TO DO sorry I am late, had no idea what time class was. STEPH I THINK YOU SHOULD LIE DOWN AFTER ALL :) Ido,nt thinks so I LIKE PATTERNS THAT ARE EASY TO REMEMBER SO I CAN TAKE THE PATTERN WITH ME IN MY HEAD WHEN I GO SOMEWHERE so you're sort of doing 2 "independent" edgings, but twisting the chains together each time, aren't you? WELCOME WELIZ it looks difficult Hey, Georgia, I warned you I have a migraine. Makes me kinda crazy(crazier) YES YOU ARE THERE IS A SURPRISE HERE THO uh-oh.... SURPRISE?? Okay, I am ready. IF YOU DO THIS AS AN EDGING, AND HAVE JUST THE TWO TWISTED TOGETHER LINES, YOU CAN FOLD IT IN HALF WIDTH WAY, AND HAVE THE CANDY CANE ON ONE SIDE AND TWO RING ROWS ON THE OTHER ME TOO WAITING WITH BATED BREATH o THIS WILL CURVE AROUND TO MAKE A WREATH WITH A CANDY CANE AROUND IT! That sounds too cool! OH WHAT CONVOLUTED THINKING IT'S A FLUFFY LOOKING WREATH COVERED WITH CANDY CANE oh, cool! Yeah, you DID mention in the pattern that it wanted to curve.... SUCH ANEAT IDEA WHAT, ME, CONVOLUTED? And to think I was impressed just with the wrapping idea! Didn't realize you were hiding a wreath in all that twisted stuff! THREAD IS SUCH FUN TO PLAY WITH, DON'T YOU THINK? WHO KNOWS WAHT OTHER SURPRISES RUTH HAS FOR US! oh, yes! oh so what else do you have up your sleeve? I DON'T PUT BEADS IN MY PATTERNS UNLESS I HAVE TO, SO ADD BEADS FOR DECORATION WHERE EVER YOU LIKE YES IT IS! NOW EVERYONE BE SURE TO VISIT RUTH'S NEW PODCAST UP MY SLEEVE, ... ARM? Which pattern are you reffering to Ruth? PART 2 ISPLAYING I BELIEVE? in your pocket... ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR RUTH?? THE CHRISTMAS EDGING I did check the class sch and love the snowflake! nno EVERYONE IS PLAYING WITH THEIR "WREATH" NOW, GEORGIA Oh yeas, that is way TOO COOL! I have been trying it?! WE JUST FINISHED THE EDGING ELIZ Cannot wait to do the edging as a wreath OK WE HAVE ANTHER TREAT TODAY we do? COol! PLEASE WELCOME CAROL FORBES TO THE CLASS CAROLS' WEBSITE www.thecorridormall.com/creations Hi Carol Welcome Hi Carol Hi Carol! CAROL IS FROM IOWA AND HAS JUST PUBLISHED HER FIRST TATTINTG VIDEO hi Carol Fantastic WHERE IN IOWA? MY dh IS FROM MUSCATINE congratulation Carol Wow! Cool! Thank you! It's great to be here. It is not a tatting video. It is a CD with pictures. WELL YOU CAN WATCH THE PICUTRES IN SLOW MO THEN LOL Neat! YOU;VE BEEN TATTING ABOUT 15 YEARS? I'm originally from Cedar Rapids, now I'm in North Liberty near Iowa City. GREAT Yes. I first learned about Needle tatting from a farmers market in downtown Des Moines, Iowa THE CD HAS 31 TATTING PHOTOS SHOWING THE HOW-2 OF NEEDLE TATTING ARE THERE ANY PATTERNS WITH IT CAROL? Debbie needs to know about this OH YES DEB SNUCK OUT EARLY! cool There is one very small motif, but it is hard 'cause the chain is so long. CAROL IS GOING TO PREPARE A PATTERN FOR THE CLASS SOON Oh yes, Dibbie is still struggling with needle tatting. o nice IT IS A TATTED BONE RING WHICH SHOWS US HOW TO NEATLY FINISH OFF CHRISTMAS ORNAMENTS.