Session Start: Thu Oct 25 14:03:41 2007 *** Now talking in #tatchat 12I don't like them as much as i like my Clover shuttles 12hi Georgia hello all! 04Hi Georgia Hi Georgia hey tine you made itok! Hi Georgia That shuttle looks ace! 12but for the sake of "art" I am willing to use one (or two) with a bobbin. i ak hi ya mouse Hi AK I'm gonna go check if anyone needs help to get into class brb hello aktatter 05oke i can,t try it 05marco wat is itok 12i'm gonna go get my pot of tea. It should be ready by now. have no shuttles with bobbins I don't have shuttles with bobbins either If this seems like something you want to try you can get them. 05Hi Aktatter Should be well brewed by now welll linda we have to listen than and hope for those shuttles one day 04Georgia, am I advanced enought to stay? 04and I only have one shuttle that works with a bobbin Georgia stepped out. Even a "just made the first stitch" is advanced enough to stay if they want to learn 12tea is perfect and wonderfully hot. I"ll share....it's a big pot It certainly looks interesting - I would love to have a go with one of those We all learned a lot of stuff by trial and error yes me too 04I can do rings, chain, rw and that's about it And here you can ask questions and get help right away 05Stephanie take care of your mouth 12Margaret - sometimes it helps me if I sit through a lesson even if I don't understand a thing ~~~(___):> 12Then later I go back and look at the log or the web sites.... 12and then I go back again 12and again, and again. 12and after a while, I think "why did that seem so hard? That is easy!" 12and then I can do it. It certainly is very informative 04yes. Stephanie, I invited those two ladies to join us on Nov. 8 and to come to a group at my house. I now have at least 4 wormen interested 05hihi 12I wish I could get people interested in tatting. They just tell me they don't have patience for stuff like that. 12Want to come down south and see if you can get a group started at MYhouse, too? I taught a friend recently and she took to it staight away 04I showed the two my head of snowman that I had finished and I demonstrated the ds woh thats is great margaret 04my typing seems to be lacking today. must be the missing spectacles gee i see i've been out too long i wish i could find some ladies overhere 05It is all too far on mi cicle 12I looked at the homework before class. Your tatting looks very nice Margaret but when they see my tatting, the think i am a alien yes i know tine 05that is not thru hello Marco You have to be a little bit alien to do tatting!!! hello aktatter sure Magaret we are all beginner swhen it comes to the double bobbin shuttle here maybe so 04the usual response is, " my grandmother or great aunt did that. It is so pretty and dainty." yes poor Anitra Stone is not able to come to class 05it is 12aha...so THAT must be why when I cut myself my blood is green...alien. ;-) she had to go pick up an injured horned owl at the vets but i hope you will all i found out that my grandma was a tatter take a moment to read about her recent award http://www.ncstatefair.org/2007a/Newsroom/10-07voyycraftsmen.htm and i have 2 tatted edging she did for pillow cases she was named north carolina's Craftsman of the year! Yes, well done Anitra 04well done, Anitra 05I have no tater in my familie 05sorry tatter well let's get started 04do we sign in here like we do at beginners' class PLEASE SIGN IN i will be your family ok? Wow, that was great GEORGIA SEITZ GREEP ILLINOIS USA AKTATTER@AOL.COM 05thats nice SPECIAL EVENT OCT. 25TH THURSDAY Sheron Goldin, sherongb@yahoo.com, columbia, SC 04Margaret I Boos, London, Ontario, Canada, maggiep54@sympatico.ca shuttle 12Stephanie Wilson trompete@bellsouth.net Athens Georgia USA OUR SPECIAL LESSON IS PRESENTED BY SHERON GOLDIN Linda S Davies lindasusandavies@hotmail.co.uk 05oke marco from the netherlands and i am female vingerhoedjes@casema.nl http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/2bobbinshtl/sherong2bobbinshtlhowto.html michele waite mousemicw@yahoo.com fulton , ny Susanne Dantatter@gmail.com in Denmark OK WE ARE GOING TO ASSUMT TODAY THAT WE ARE ALL USING A DOUBLE BOBBIN SHUTTLE FOR THE VERY FIRS TIME AND WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT FIRST SO LET'S LOOK AT SHERON'S FIRST PAGE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/2bobbinshtl/sherong2bobbinshtlhowto.html Sorry I don't have one, will just have to listen in 05Tine from the netherlands and Iam female c.vedder2@chello.nl SHERON WOULD LIKE TO TELL US ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOUBLE BOBBIN SHUTTLES? 12well...a few of us need to acquire one, but tacky stuff will do for now DOUBLE SIDED TAPE WILL DO 12i rolled duct tape into a small wad tHE FIRST ONE I FOUND WAS THE PELC, A METAL HORIZONTAL SHUTTLE OR TWO FLAT SHUTTLES AND I PAPER CLIP ONLY METAL ONE. RIGHT YOU SAID LAURENPELC';S SHUTTLE WAS NO LONGER MADE THAT'S WHAT HANDY HANDS SAYS BUT YOU CAN STILL GET THEM 12you can probably find one on ebay MAYBE ON EBAY GET THEM NEW - HANDY HANDS AND OTHERS STILL HAVE THEMM i found a double shuttle but the cost $45 12buy it from someone who hasn't a clue how to use it....;-) IF EBAY WATCH THE PRICING AND THE OTHER TYPES WERE? 12i'll stick with my 2 single bobbin shuttles and tape for now. lol Stephanie THE OTHER TWO I KNOW ABOUT WERE THE SILENT TATTER AND THE GR8 BRANDS THE SILENT TATTER IS CUT FROM PEN BLANKS AND LOOKS NICE THE GR-8 NOW COMES IN WOOD OR RESIN BUT THE GR8 SUHTTLES ARE THE BEST I THINK 12pen blanks? What's that? 05Stephanie you cannot move de bobbins than SILENT TATTER IS MY FIRST CHOICE RANDY EVEN TOOK A PIECE OF TREE FROM MY CABIN IN ALASKA AND CARVED ME ONE! A PIECE OF WOOD DESIGNED FOR MAKING A WOOD PEN OUT OF 12oh, now THAT is cool!!! A PEN BLANK IS A RECTANGULAR PIECE OFWOOD USED TO MAKE FANCY WOODEN PENS 12oh....ok, that's my "something new" learned for today. :-) HE CAN MAKE THEM FROM MANY THINGS i live to far away BUT FOR US TODAY WE'LL USE WHAT EVER WE HAVE ON HAND 05me too I GET THEM BY MAIL. SILENT TATTER FROM ROSEGROUND IN UK i have only normal clover shuttles SO HOW DO WE USE THIS DB SHUTTLE Roseground, hey? YES LINDA YOU MUST TRY SOME OTHER KINDS MARCO THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENCES yes i know YES ROSEGROUND pAT hALLAM'S STORE 05we will see 12marco i like the clovers the best, but try an aero. i have friends who like themn the best.... i gave my aero,s away 05I have them riet surtel was very glad with it haha DIFFERENT FOLKS LIKE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHUTTLES SO USE WHAT YOU LIKE 05you can get it back yes that is true OK but for this you need the right one ~~~(___):> 12hmmmm...my brother does woodworking, maybe I can talk him into making one for me. TATTING WITH A DOUBLE BOBBIN SHUTTLE IS FIDDLY BUT IT GETS EASIER WILL TRUST YOU ON THAT SHERON! 05what do you see mouse? I HAVE SEEN WHAT THE HOUTZ BROS DO USING BOTH THREADS AT ONE TIME THE MAIN THING TO WATCH OUT FOR IS THAT YOU KEEP THE THREAD DISTANCE FROM THE RING TO THE SHUTTLE THE SAME FOR BOTH THREADS stephanie, if he makes one, please ask him to make two? MAKES SOME FANCY FLOWERS AND GREAT PICOTS Good idea Sthephanie, my brother, Keith also does woodworking ADJUST EVERY TIME YOU ADJUST THE THREAD AROUND YOUR HAND 12hey, my brother is Keith, too! are we related? OK 05hihi Soul mates! lol 04k YOU ARE REALLY ONLY WORKING WITH ONE THREAD AT A TIME AND ENCAPSULATING THE SECOND THREAD 12ok...sorry Sheron, Georgia...too much caffeine today. I'll be quiet now.... :-( SHERON THERE IS A LOTOF GREAT INFO ABOUT THE USE AND OF THE SHUTTLES SHALL WE JUST GIVE IT A TRY WHY BE DIFFERENT TODAY STEPHANIE? LOL GOOD ONE SHERON! 12snort....ok, why be different? 13*squeak* Ž 05hihi mouse 04I am enjoying this GREAT MARGARET! SUSANNE IS VERY QUIET TO DAY 12told you you'd miss something if you weren't here margaret! 04what happened to Debbie is she lurking? SHERON SHALL WE START WITH THE PHOTO OF THE BLUE AND PICK CORDS AROUND YOURHAND? MAYBE SHE IS LOOKING AT THE LESSON I am "listening" to what you say OK SUSANNE :) DEB MUST HAVE GONE FOR CHOCOLATE 05yes YOU ONLY PUT ONE THREAD AROUND YOUR HAND, BOTH THREADS IN THE PINCH I'm here, but I don't shuttle THE BLUE THREAD AROUND THE HAND THEN WRAP WITH BOTH THREADS AND FLIP BUT BOTH THREADS IN THE PINCH GOT IT LOL AK ;-) 12you probably can figure out how to do this with a needle....they can do everything we do, can't they? Got the chocolate right here...oh sorry just ate the last piece..free hands don't ya know lol Debbie DEB YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO USING MULTIPLE COLORS AND THROWING OFF RINGS WITH SECOND NEEDLE how on earth do you tat and type? NEED TO USE A LARGER NEEDLE AS BOTH THREADS WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE EYE SO BOTH GO THROUGH THE STITCHES VERY SLOWLY LINDA 12AND eat chocolate all at the same time! LET THE CAT TYPE? LOL OR DOES THE CAT TAT? Got to get another set of needles..think the kid is getting them for me haha everione adours chocolat NOW I HAVE SET MY FIRST HALF STICH 12Georgia's cat types, but not in English. 12aND I can't read "cat" USED BOTH THREADS BUT ONLY THE THREAD AROUND THE HAND FORMS A DS TWO THREADS ENCAPSULATED INSIDE THE RING ~~~(___):> RIGHT *** tine has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter has joined #tatchat SO I MAKE THE DS I NEED FOR THIS RING FINISH THE RING. TO CLOSE PULL THE THREAD AROUND YOUR HAND BUT WHTA ABOUT CLOSING IT? I wish I had a double shuttle cos I can't grasp this tine 12just the thread aroudn teh hand? the one acting as the core? MAY WANT TO GIVE A TUG TO THE OTHER THREAD TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE EXTRA HANGING OUT 12and you were tatting with the thread from teh OTHER bobbin, right? SO YOU GRASP THE BLUE THREAD WHERE IT EXITS THE BOBBIN AND PULL ON IT YES. AND THAT CLOSES THE RING INTHIS CASE? OK GOT IT 12ok...cool...i think i've got it. OK WHAT'S NEXT SHERON? TATTING WITH BOTH THREADS RESULTS IN ONE BEING CARRIED THROUGH STITCHES REVERSE WORK AND DO THE CHAIN. THIRD COLOR ENCAPSLATES BOTH SHUTTLE THREADS 12ok, i'm trying to do this mentally - can't find both aeros at the moment. OK IF WE WERE DOING THIS FOR REAL WE WOULD HAVE NEEDED TO DEAL WITH THE TAI LENDS TAIL ENDS BUT WE WILL IGNORE THAT FOR NOW OK I HAVE TATTED A SHORT CHAIN *** Tatter is now known as tine I HIDE THEM RIGHT AWAY. FIDDLY BUT IT WORKS WB TINE YOU CAN'T SEE THEM ON THE PICS BECAUSE THEY ARE HIDDED 12What keeps you from having small lengths of thread showing up between rings, chains, or doing the 2-bobbin thing? yes KEEPING THE THREADS THE SAME LENGTH GOOD QUESTION STEPH IS IT THE TENSION SHERON? it looks very nice THAT LITTLE TUG ON THE THREAD YOU ARE HIDING 12i mean, like from one to the other...or to the chain...and back to the shuttle yes it do AH OK! 12oh. ok. hard to do mentally. AVOID GAPOSIS OH NO! NOT GAPSOSIS! verry diffycult Gaposis ???? TINE MARCO DO YOU KNOW GAPSOSIS? YOU ARE HIDING THE THREAD AS YOU GO BY ENCAPSULATING IT WITHIN THE ELEMENT YOU ARE MAKING no NO AH GAPSOSIS IS AN EMPTHY SPACE THAT YOU FIND the gap between the ring and chain Gaposis is a terrible disease 12got it. :-) hehe AT THE BOTTOM OF A RING WHERE THE CHAIN STPS AND STARTS 12i mean, got "it" not got "gaposis" 13*squeak* Ž o OK I see LOOK AT THE PICTURES. YOU DON'T SEE THE "OTHER COLOR". IT YOU MUST MAKE THE FIRST HS SNUG UP TO THE PREVIOUS WORK ok we have that too sometimes i hate it SO NO SPACE NO GAP SHOWING ITS HIDDEN IN THE RING OR CHAIN 12so whatever you are not working with gets hidden in the core THERE IS A TRICK TO PREVENTING IT MARCO RIGHT aha 12like....umm....??? when you use a magic thread to hide tails at the end? IF IT'S ONE OF THE SHUTTLE THREADS The opposite of Gaposis is Tightitist BALL THREAD WORKS JUST LIKE NORMAL LOL yes lol thats not good either mm *** Debbiehi is now known as Debbie ~~~(___):> TO PREVENT GAPSOSIS, WRAP THE HANDFOR A CHAIN YES YOU CAN THINK OF THE 'OTHER COLOR' AS A MAGIC THREAD YOU ARE HIDING FOLD THE PREVIOUS RING BACKWARDS OVER THE PREVISOU CHAIN oke THEN PULL THE FIRTS HALF STITCH AS TIGHT AS POSSIBLE DO A FEW DS THEN PLACE TATTING IN PROPER POSITION NOT GAPS! thanks!!! OK SO MY ENDS ARE HIDDEN i HAVE ONE RING AND ONE CHAIN I HAVE USED 2 COLORS NOW I'M GOING FOR 3 WHAT DO I DO SHERON? HIDING BEGINNING ENDS: I HIDE 1ST THREAD (AROUND HAND COLOR) WITH THE FIRST 1/2 STITCH, THE SECOND THREAD STARTS HIDING IN THE 2ND 1/2 STITCH oke OK LEAVE ALOOP WHEN YOU START HIDING THE ENDS AND PUT THE CHAIN THREAD INTO IT AND HIDE IT SAME AS STARTING THE RING I GAVE A LINK TO JANE EBORALLS SITE SHOWING HOW I DO IT 12ummm...not to be a bother, but WHY? Why not start hiding both from the start? AFTER STARTING THE CHAIN YOU CAN PULL THE LOOP TIGHT THEN TRIM ENDS yes its easier Jane's site is like a dictionary, covers it all http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~nickeb/StartNoKnots.htm I KEPT PULLING THE SECOND COLOR OUT WHEN I JUST LOOPED IT THROUGH THE FIRST 1/2 STTTCH 04I just read Sheron's page. I didn't know there was a learning center, Georgia less mess while tatting 12okey-dokey THE ONLINE TATTING CLASS WEBSITE = THE LEARNING CENTER ~~~(___):> AL LESSONS FROM 2000 - 2007 ARE POSTED AND AVAILABLE SO I TIGHTENED THE FIRST 1/2 STITCH THEN HID THE SECOND COLOR STARTING IN THE SECOND 1/2 STITCH http://www.georgiaseitz.com It's even Needle friendly!!!! LOL I HOPE SO DEB! lol 13*squeak* Ž Have learned a lot from there 04k WE'RE INTRODUINC A NEW NEEDLE TATTER AND HER NEW VIDEO HOW 2 IN NOVEMBER 12i wish Id known about the class from the start. OK LET'S DO THAT SECOND RING i am sorry that i miss most of the classes but i read them afterwards YOU ARE WELCOME WHENEVER YOU CANSTOP BY MARCO yes i know REVERSE WORK, WIND THE SECOND COLOR AROUND YOUR HAND, FIRST COLOR INTO THE PINCH moke ADJUST THE THREADS SO THEY ARE EVEN AND START TATTING Reading after is good way to do at your own pace and try different things but the clock goes back on saterday, than it is evenmore difficult OK SO I USE THE PICK THREAD TO WRAP MY HAND BUT HAVE BOTH THREADS IN THE PINCH NOW TO ADJUST THEM *** Tatter has joined #tatchat That's true Marco COLOR AROUND YOUR HAND IS THE COLOR THAT THE STITCHES ARE, OTHER COLOR IS HIDDEN 12phooey! Now I can't find my favorite picot gauge! Got to be here somewhere! WE HAVE TO WIGGLE THE BOBBIN BACK AND FORTH RIGHT? WIND IT UP OR UNWIND IT REWIND OR LOOSEN THE BOBBIN WELCOME TATTER PLKEASE SIGN IN oke SO I AM TATTING MY SECOND RING NOWI WANT TO JOIN IT TO THE FIRST RING Doesn´t the clock go back in the US this weekend ? yes *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) YES ITHINK IT DOES SUSANNE JOIN AS USUAL. PULL BOTH CORE THREADS THROUGH THE LOOP WHEN IMAKE THE JOIN jes AH BOTH CORES? US TIME CHANGE IS IN NOV. CONGRESS CHANGED IT AND THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR ok than the differents in time stays the same Then the time difference is the same next week JUST LIKE WE CHANGED EARLIER THAN OTHERS THIS YEAR. So the time difference will be the same then? AH WELL I AM GLAD WE GET AN EXTRA WEEKEND DON'T WANT ONEE HANGING HANGING OUT DO YOU? no ak just the core thtread of the color you're workin SO 'WRAP' THE THREAD PULLED THROUGH THE PICOT AROUND BOTH CORE THREADS THE ONLY WAY TO BE CERTAIN OF THE TIME IS TO VISIT THE WORLD CLOCK http://www.worldtimezone.com/ *** Tatter has joined #tatchat SHOULD I BE DOING AN UP OR A DOWN JOIN? BOTH CORES ARE TREATED AS ONE CORE. WHERE ONE GOES THE OTHER MUST GO ALSO WILL THE SPOT OF COLOR SHOW IN ANUP JOIN? does it matter which? WHATEVER YOU USUALLY DO WELCOME TATTER PLEASE SIGN IN OK I WILL EXPERIEMENT WITH IT *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) yes NO SHERON YOU GAVE US SEVERAL SAMPLES OF EDGINGS IF IT DOES FOR JOINING A CHAIN COLOR TO A RING COLOR IT WILL, IF NOT NO *** Tatter has joined #tatchat A VERY GOOD LAYOUT I PUT THE HOOK DOWN AND PULL THE THREAD UP *** Tatter is now known as mjb oke AN ALL ONE COLOR EDGING WELCOME MARYJANE RINGS ONE COLOR AND CHAINS A SECOND COLOR IN THE SECOND PHOTO would you believe I couldn;t get on THE THIRD PHOTO THOUGH IS RATHER DIFFERENT what are you doing? YES I SAW YOU TRYING TO GET IN I know what that is like, Maryjane THE DOUBLE BOBBINS SHUTTLES HOW TO MJB