Session Start: Mon Oct 15 14:06:17 2007 *** Now talking in #tatchat hello all 12hi Georgia! It's 8 in the evening here and warm but dark now 02Hi Georgia! Hi AKA - just Stepanie and moi!! *** Tatter has joined #tatchat I'm going to go check if anyone needs help 12oh, i'm dreading the earlier darkness....fortunately it's still light here at 8 *** Tatter is now known as Bob Hi BoB Hi All! 12hi bob Hiya Jane, all recovered from your travelling adventures? How are you since your tests, Bob? How nice of you to remember! I am all finished now and very happy to be free from studying Oh, we've been up to our ears in dirt, dust etc having had some necessary house alterations done. All to do with the ceiling falling in earlier this year!! 12oh how awful! The ceiling? Eeek! *** Tatter has joined #tatchat Actually it was quite funny but turned rapidly into 'expensive'. We had to have the roof re-done and it's an old slate one!!! Keeps a couple of old gits amused and out of mischief!! Was this a result of all that rain we had? Hello everyone 12hi Hiya Yes and 100 years of neglect!!! Aah, the joys of older houses. Mine's 90-odd, and it shows :) 12hmmm...sometimes I FEEL 90-odd. *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 12after a good nap I usually feel younger again, though. *** RuthPerry has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter has joined #tatchat There's always something happening as I still own my house even though I moved in with Nick some 15 or so years ago!! I let it and it needs upkeep too! *** Tatter is now known as RuthPerry Hello there 12hi Welcome back, Ruth! ok are we ready to sign in? GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA Ruth Perry Miamisburg, Ohio Ria Bob Kishen, Wirral UK 12Stephanie Wilson trompete@bellsouth.net Athens, Georgia, USA WELL IT LOOKS LIKE A SMALL BUT MERRY BAND OF TATTERS TODAY BOB GLAD TO SEE THE TESTS ARE OVER! STEPHANIE I HAVE LOTS OF EMAIL FROM YOU AND I AM SLOWLY WORKING MY WAY THROUGH THE PILE So am I! 12no hurry.... JANE THANKS FOR THE BANANA LOL OK RUTH PERRY SHARES THE FIRST PART OF TODAY'S LESSON OCT. 15, 2007 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/rperrybat.html No probs - your wish is my command - heh, heh, heh!! LOL I think Fruit Bats like any kind of fruit. Banannas included. Better watch out. HEY LEAVE MY BANANA ALONE! 12I can't stand it....too curious....a banana? ACTUALLY THAT BANANA PATTERN WAS FOR A TATTER IN TAIWAN 12a tatted banana....wow....that's a first.... cOOL! wE ARE A GLOBAL BUNCH SHE IS TATTING UP A BUNCH FOR HER BROTHER WHO LIKES TO MONKEY AROUND 12I had a few dried cherries on a saucer here....was going to offer to share, but they were so good I ate them all before class started. YES AN NEVER DREAMT THAT THERE WAS A PATTERN ALREADY ONLINE FOR ONE hee hee 12Got plenty of tea, though. BUT JANE DISCOVERED THAT DEB ARNOLD HAD ONE POSTED LUCKY FOR ME 12next we need a ttatted monkey...although I thihk I saw one of those online recently. HMM SOUNDS GOOD BUT MY CONCORD GRAPES ARE GOOD TOO YES THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM OK RUTH'S BATTY ER NO NO RUTH'S TUTTY FRUITY BAT I did a monkey a year ago, and he is gonna go after Deb's bananna pattern! IS CUTE TO TAT UP 12we had bats in our church "attic" space...I can vouch for the fact that they REALLY STINK in hot weather. LOL! Correct the first time. 12Fortunately tatted bats shouldn't smell. HEY SEND ME THAT RUTH i'LL PASS IT ON BUT THE DIRECTIONS ARE SCARING TATTERS IN MANY COUNTRIES. WHY? BECAUSE OF ONE LITTLE TERM GEEZ AND WHAT IS THAT? beaded double core reverse ring BDCRR I'VE BEEN TATTING THEM FOR YEARS AND SOME TATTERS SEEM TO PICK IT RIGHT UP. I GUESS IT SENT TATTERS RUNNING IN A PANIC TO THE REFERENCE BOOKS EVERYWHERE LET'S TAKE IT APART! 12well...i have to confess...my initial reaction was "yikes!!!" but then I decided I could learn it. FOR THE RECORD RUTH *** Tatter has joined #tatchat PLEASE GIVE A BRIEF HOW TO WELCOME TATTER *** Tatter is now known as Kate FIRST OF ALL IT IS A REVERSE RING WITH ALL THE STITCHES TATTED LIKE THE SECOND HALF OF A SPLIT RING. HI Y A KATE Hi all, sorry I'm late. THAT'S EASY ENOUGH Hi Kate 12ALL the stitches??? OK STOP RIGHT THERE! 12I can do that. WELCOME KATE LET'S SAY INSTEAD THAT ALL THE DS ARE WRAPPED JUST LIKE THE SECOND HALF OF A SPLIT RING OK. NP WRAPPED NOT TATTED MAY CLEAR SOME OF THE CONFUSION OK NEXT? 12is that what some books call direct tatting? 12wrapping? NEXT, THE CORE THREAD GOES AROUND TWICE DIRECT METHOD = WRAPPING NOT TATTING RIGHT STEPH SO THERE ARE TWO THREADS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING 12ok, heres' where I start losing it. 2 core threads? OK 2 THREADS SINCE IT GOES AROUND TWICE STEPH ATKE A PIECE OF THREAD AND TRY WRAPPING IT ONE OF THOSE THREADS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING HAS A BEAD ON IT OK SO, HALF OF THE STITCHES ARE "WRAPPED" ON BOTH CORE THREADS THEN YOU REMOVE THE CORE THREAD THAT HAS THE BEAD ON IT FROM YOUR HAND "WRAP" THE SECOND HALF OF THE STITCHES ON JUST THE REMAINING CORE THREAD OK FOR THE RECORD THIS DESCRIPTION CAN ALSO BE FOUND THE CORE THREAD END IS *NOT* THE SHUTTLE THREAD IN "tHE cOMPLETE BOOK OF TATTING" BY REBECCA JONES PG 26 with you so far, if a little tangled... UNDER "METHOD FIVE -WRONG - WAY TATTING" NB WITHOUT THE BEAD HOWEVER 12ok, so far so good.... PULL ON THE CORE THREAD END JUST A LITTLE BIT AND THE CORE WITH THE BEAD ON IT SHOULD GET A LITTLE SMALLER OK HALF WRAPPED AND THN WRAP MORE ONLY ON THE THREAD WITHOUT THE BEAD YEP! COULD WE SAY THE CORE THREAD = BALLTHREAD? SO I'M BATTY AND HALF WRAPPED NOW 12this is gonna be one weird bat. Green body, amber bead. LOL GLAD I DIDN'T TYPE THAT BALL THREAD OR SECOND SHUTTLE THREAD, EITHER WAY THERE ARE WHITE BATS TOO SEE MEGUMI'S OK COOL! DID YOU SEE THE ONES THAT KATIE V. TATTED? SHE POSTED THEM ON HBT LIST. PURPLE AND BLACK VARIEGATED OH WOW NOT SEEN IT YET AS A COMFORT TO THOSE WHO JUST DON'T GET THE BEAD THING, YOU COULD TAT A UNBEADED BAT WITH JUST A NORMAL RING OR YOU COULD TAT A RING, AND ADD A BEAD IN THE CENTER ANY WAY YOU WANT TO INCLUDING SEWING IT IN LATER. YES AND THERE IS ALINK TO THE BASIC BEADING PAGES AND THEY GIVE YOU SEVERAL WAYS TO PUT THE BEAD IN THE MIDDLE OFA RING ANY SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT CLOSING THE RING?? I KNOW THIS IS UNFAMILIAR TO A LOT OF TATTERS, BUT IT IS A WAY TO PUT A BEAD EXACTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING ON TO CLOSING THE RING... PULL THE CORE WITH THE BEAD ON IT TO CLOSE THE SECOND CORE FIRST! OK DON'T QUITE CLOSE IT ALL THE WAY, ABOUT 1/8" LEFT OPEN WILL WORK OK FINALLY, SLIDE THE BEAD UP INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE RING, AND THEN PULL THE CORE THREAD END TO CLOSE THE BEADED CORE DID ANYONE HAVE THE LINK TO KATIE V'S BATS? VOILLA! BEAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RING! 12I did it, I did it!!! hOORAY! THIS IS USEFUL FOR LOTS OF THINGS! THAT IS A NEAT WAY TO EXACTLY CENTER A BEAD IN THE RING 12(Yeah, that's what I thought, too...up to the very end it didn't look like it was gonna work.) YA GOTTA HAVE FAITH STEPH :) GEORGIA, I FORWARDED YOU THE PIC OF KATIES BATS it's a very neat trick! Not come across that before, but I'll be using it again. 12i'll be using it again, too! OH THANKS rUTH I THINK IT SHOULD BE USED BY ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO PUT A BEAD IN THE MIDDLE OF A RING SO THE REST OF THE BAT IS EASY ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND JUST REMEBER TO WRAP THE LONG 21 DS CHAINS ANY OTHER TIPS ON THE REST OF THE BAT RUTH? NOT REALLY, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE EXCEPT FOR THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? 12just thought about this - if the BALL thread is the core....then you can only add a bead on the 1st ring? THE REASON FOR A MAGNETIC BEAD IS TO PUT THEM ON THE REFRIGERATOR. OK HERE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING WITH US 12or could you make a string of tatted rings this way? THINK ABOUT BEAD PLACEMENT STEPH YES YOU COULD, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO START THE RINGS A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO MORE THAN ONE OF THEM. 12hmmm...i'll have to do some experimenting.... HOW WOULD YOU DO IT RUHT? HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS - THIS IS WIERD INSTEAD OF WINDING THE RING THREAD AROUND YOUR HAND AFTER GRASPING THE PREVIOUS TATTING IN THE PINCH *** Tatter has joined #tatchat WELCOME TATTER YOU HAVE TO HOLD ONTO THE PREVIOUS TATTING IN YOUR RIGHT HAND, WIND THE THREAD AROUND YOUR LEFT FOR THE RING http://www.georgiaseitz.com/homework/kvernabatmagnets.jpg i posted KATIE'S BATS TO THE HOMEWORK FILES THEN YOU END WITH GRASPING THE PREVIOUS TATTING IN THE PINCH TATTER CHANGE YOUR NAME BY TYPING /NICK YOURNAME YOU CAN TYPE A MESSAGE IN THE SMALL NARROW WINDOW BELOW THIS WAY THE NEXT RING IS NEXT TO THE PREVIOUS TATTING. THE STITCHES ARE WRAPPED WITH THE OTHER THREAD MY MIND'S EYE SEES THE PREVIOUS TATTED ELEMENT HANGING OUT INTHE MIDDLE OF THE WORK IS THAT RIGHT? SO, ONE THREAD IS THE CORE, THE OTHER THREAD DOES THE STITCHES HMMMM NO SURE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THER DOUBLE CORE THREAD ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS WORK? YOU HAVE TWO THREAD ENDS AND SOME TATTING THAT IS ALREADY COMPLETED. NOW YOU WANT TO TAT A BDCRR HMM OK HOLD ONTO THE PREVIOUS TATTING WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND (FOR RIGHT HANDED TATTERS AND WIND THE RING THREAD AROUND YOUR LEFT i SEE IT NOW THANKS THE OTHER THREAD END IS THE ONE THAT "WRAPS" THE STITCHES ON THE CORE THREAD(S) ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WHEN YOU PULL THE RING CLOSED IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR PREVIOUS TATTING. I STARTED DOING THESE A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN I WANTED TO DO PADDED RINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO WORK IN THREAD ENDS FROM THE PADDING Might have to try that variation a few times before I get my head around it, but the single ring I can cope with fine. SEE, NOW IT SEEMS EASY ENOUGH! lol AND I SEE RUTH THAT YOU HAVE USED THIS BDCRR IN YOUR LATEST BOOK TOO! GLORIOUS BUTTERFLIES! OH YES, THE BUTTERFLIES THANKS EVER SO MUC HFOR SHARING YOUR WORK WITH THE CLASS, RUTH THE BOOK CAN BE ORDERED DIRECT FROM YOU? WOULD YOU ADD YOUR WEBSITE LINK PLEASE THERE ARE THREE FLOWERS, A BUNCH OF BUTTERFLIES, AND A DRAGONFLY AND LADYBUG http://rozellalinden.blogspot.com THANK YOU email me at rjpoms (at) yahoo.com OK LET'S LOOK AT THE HALLOWEEN PAGE QUICKLY replace the (at) with @ THIS LINK WAS ADDED TODAY AMRTHA ESS SKELETON http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/halloweenlinks.html http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=87&subpageid=302737&ck THERE ARE PUMPKINS GHOSTS BATS WITCHES SKELETONS 12that skeleton is AMAZING! SPIDERS FLYIES APPLES AND BLACK CATS FOR YOUR HOLIDAY DECOR YES IT IS A GOOD ONE JANE YOU HAVE ANY SPECIAL HALLOWEEN LINKS? DOES ANYONE HAVE A FAVORITE LINK NOT LISTED I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADD TO THE LIST 12Mark Myers has a pumpkin edging. 12it's cute. No, sorrrrryyy. We don't really 'do' halloween that much in the UK although it's becoming more of a celebration now. Better than bonfire night - not so dangerous!!! OHHHH I HOPE SO! 12but you can toast marshmallows at a bonfire. SEND ME THE LINK STEPH AND i WILL ADD IT GLADLY TO THE LIST OK THEN PART 3 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/leafforms.html LEAF FORMS AS WE CONTINUE WITH OUR BIRTHDAY FLOWER OF THE MONTH STUDY BTW I've seen some of the stuff Martha's working on for her next book. You'll just LOVE this next one. I can't wait. I use her critter designs loads! WE NEED ALSO TO LOOK AT LEAVES OH YOU ARE SUCH A TEASE! CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT BTW MARTHA'S "TAT'S AMORE" IS A REALLY GOOD WORK. RUTH YOU RECOGNIZE THE OAK LEAF? YOU MAY WANT TO OPEN A SEPARATE BROWSER WINDOW NOW Agreed but the next one ........ will be EVEN better, promise IN ORDER TO QUICKLY VISIT THESE PAGES THE TOP OF THE PAGE HAS RUTH'S OAK LEAF AND IT IS FOLLOWED BY A LEAF BY tAMMY RODGERS I've been off looking at the Halloween pages! BOTH AER VERY DIFFERENT BUT BOTH WERE DESIGNED FROM THE SAME BASIC PREMISE what is the link to the leaf pages? GO DONW NOW TO http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/leafforms.html THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE TO ANNA MELONI'S BOW http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/meloni/ambow.html THIS SHOWS HOW WE CAN TAKE AN OUTLINE, SUCH AS THE BOW OR THE LEAF AND FILL THE INNER SPACE WITH TATTING TO CREATE THE ITEM TAMMY'S LEAF HAS AN OPEN LOOK AND RUTH'S OAK HAS A DENSE LOOK DENSITY CAN BE CREATED EASILY WITH CHAINS ESP IN BLOCK TATTING STYLE SEE SIEGLINDE'S IRIS AND ITS LONG NARROW LEAVES http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/blocktat/irispattern.htm ALL DONE IN BLOCK TATTING THE RUTH SCHARF TYPE LEAF IS ALSO VERY DENSE BUT SEE HOW IT TOO CAN BE ELONGATED FOR A LEAF IN INGER'S DAFFODIL PATTERN http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/inger.html THE SCHARF LEAF AS USED IN GERDA'S BUTTERFLY Gerda bfly http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/gerdabfly.html CAN BE ALTERED FOR LENGTH AND WIDTH TO VARY THE LOOK OF THE LEAF OH DARN IT LOOKS LIKE I AM GIVING A LECTURE HERE ANY COMMENTS OR COMPLAINTS? have you seen the button maple leaf that Karey Solomon taught in Canada recently? Hey, shall I send for SueH and her soapbox? it's astounding how many different types of leaf you can make with tatting. *** Tatter689 has joined #tatchat SAY YEAH WE NEED SOME LIVENING UP NO RUTH HAVE YOU GOT A PHOTO TOSHARE? WELCOME 689 PLEASE SIGN IN *** Tatter689 is now known as Hope llo just got in... HI YA HOPIE No my friends who attended showed it to me, but I don't have a photo. I'll see if I can get one for you tho. HEY all!!! OK NOW LOOK AT http://www.occhi-world.de/st_anl.htm Hi Hopie!!! THOSE 'LEAVES ARE NOT LEAVES AT ALL luv you Ruth BUT AN IMPRESSION OF LEAVES CREATED how's the weather in FL? BY THE FREE-FORM USE OF LONG AND SHORT PICOTS A LA HELMA SIEPMANN STYLE Hmmm, spose you've been eating b'day cake with your 'clients' instead of delivering mail!!! Happy b'day for t'other day, Hope 12those are really pretty. AND WE CAN GET LEAVES EVEN SIMPLER one really old pattern that I love has just rings for leaves LOOK AT THE THREE SIMPLE RINGS it's the daisy edging hooooweeee... I just clicked on that addy and saw it for the first time!! USED TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF A GRAPE LEAF http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/joy/joygrape.html ON JOY'S PATTERN AH HOPIE BELATED BIRTHDAY GREETINGS RINGS FOR LEAVES WORK WELL TOO Happy Birthday Hope! LOOK AT JOY'S GRAPES no, we want to sing happy birthday to hope COULDN'T THAT BE WISTERIA TYPE LEAVES ALSO? great bday... thanks OK ALTOGETHER NOW HAPPY BIRTHDY TO YOU HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU lol happy birthday to you HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR HOPIE HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU happy birthday to you And many more! Happy Birthday to yoooooooo! blush.... blush.... happy me.... 12happy birthday. Did you get ice cream for your b'day, Hope? Still missing mine down in SC!!! SIMPLIFYING MORE LOOK AT TAMMY'S LEAVES HERE http://www.frontiernet.net/%7ETammyRodgers/mama%27s_poinsettia.html RINGS FOR BOTH BLOSSOM PETAL AND LEAVES ONLY DIFFERNCE IS THE SIZE OF THR RING LEAF That's another way to make the leaves. Rather pretty. SAUNDRA'S MOTIF WITH CLUNY LEAVES http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/fall2001/hameedcluny.html SHOWS A WAY TO TIE MULTIPLE FLOWERS TOGETHER WITH LEAVES SEE MIMI'S PAGES FOR CLUNY HOW TO http://home.netcom.com/~ntrop/cluny/instruct.htm NEXT CHECK OUT TINA NEUDORF'S ROSE http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/neudorf.html SEE HOW THE OVER CROCHET CHAIN WITH PICOTS CREATES A LEAF EFFECT THIS STYLE MIGHT BE GOOD FOR FLOWERS WHICH HAVE LOARGE ROUNDISH BACKGROUND LEAVES AFRICAN VIOLETS? GERANIUMS? BUT WE CAN GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF A LEAF WITHOUT EVEN TRYING TO CREAT A LEAF SHAPE http://www.thisntat.com/motifs/roseleaf.html ;LISA JUST ADDED A TATTED POINT AND ATTACHED TO HER ROSE AND REMEMBER JEANNE LUGERT'S ROSE BROOCH? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/jlrose/jlbrooch.html NO LEAF SHAPE AT ALL BUT A STRIP OF TATTING AS BACKING STILL GIVE THE EFFECT OF LEAVES AND DON'T FORGET THE NEWEST LEAF TYPE THE HANGING LCUNY LEAF THIS PAGE TAKES A WHILE TO LOAD http://georgiaseitz.com/users/sherong/hangingcluny.pdf THAT IS RUTHS HOW TO AND LASTLY LOOK AT THE STEM OF THE APPLE http://www.tat-man.net/patterns/apple.pdf MARK JUST MADE A LITTLE "BLOB" FORGIVE ME MARK BUT IT CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE A STEM AND A LITTLE PIECE OF LEAF It's adorable! YES IT IS! SO THAT IS JUST A BZRE SAMPLING OF TATTED LEAVES ALREADY POSTED ONLINE that hanging cluny done with the dental floss threader is so EASY.. and adorable... I HOPE THAT THERE WILL GIVE YOU IDEAS Lots of ideas, yes. AND IT GIVES SUCH A WONDEFUL EFFECR FOR BOTH BLOSSOM AND LEAF 12I made that apple a while back out of some really pretty red....didn't have enough left to make 2 THANKS OFR BEING SO PATIENT THROUG THE LECTURE 12originally i was going to give it to someone but it was cute i kept it 12and made her something else. I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WOUL DBE SO LONG LOL! ruth?? I give everything away ANY QUESTIONS??? 12here's mark's pumpkins 12http://www.tat-man.net/patterns/pumpkinedge.pdf I know I was late... ruth can you answer question after?? sure np it will take time to look through all those leaves properly, i think. 12i have a hanging cluny question....i guess i'm after HOpe go ahead steph OK everyone single file. LOL I've got all afternoon' 12i can't picture it mentally....pulling the loop through 12ok, ok, can't type instantly. 12;-) 12you do it with a needle or fingers? 12 no 2-shuttles or ball-ahd-shuttle? first, to what are you refering 12hangign cluny 12I got the part about using a floss threader, which sounded like a genius idea hanging cluny, one thread end has to be not attached to anything because it is the one that weaves the cluny and then has to pull through the middle *** Tatter440 has joined #tatchat Tatter to change you rname type /nick yourname welcome 440 *** Tatter440 is now known as marco sing in please hi ya marco! 12so the WHOLE thread end gets pulled through the middle? 12OH! Well....DUH! THAT was easy. hello everione glad to see you marco