Session Start: Mon Mar 26 19:41:25 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat [19:41] * Now talking in #tatchat [19:47] * Tatter has joined #tatchat [19:48] Hello, welcome! Do you want to sign in with your name, please [19:49] * Tatter is now known as mjb [19:49] Thank you! You're my first arrival tonight. [19:50] hello Zena., are you the teacher today? [19:50] Yes, that's right [19:50] Georgia has had to go to the doctor [19:50] I said I'd do my best to hold the fort [19:50] good., I am early, hope Georgia isn't sick [19:51] All she said was, when you get older [19:51] you go to the bathroom and the doctor more [19:51] know what she means [19:51] yes, don't we all! [19:51] What are you tatting just now? [19:51] Waiting for Dorcas., she said she would be here [19:51] Oh good [19:52] Baby bibs, I think I am going to grandma [19:52] excuse me? [19:53] How do you grandma? [19:53] left out going to be a grandma [19:53] got a little excited [19:53] oh, silly me! Congratulations - when is the big day? [19:54] really don't know yet., will find out next Monday.,,,,,, hope it isn't a mestake haha [19:54] mistake [19:54] I hope not, too. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you all [19:55] Will this be your first go at grandma-ing? [19:55] thank you., really it is great grandma now that is old [19:55] Not at all. The oldies are the goldies, you know. [19:55] And you've done better than I have [19:55] I already have 2 great grandchildren [19:56] I'm a slacker, no children at all [19:56] so no grandchildren either, nach. Two is big time! [19:56] I have 3 children., 5 grandchildren., and 2 great grandchildren [19:56] Way to go! [19:57] Do you hand down the christening gown? [19:57] I think so., reckon we are the only ones today? [19:57] I hope not [19:57] No christening gowns [19:58] That would be a real vote of confidence [19:58] I am going to call Dorcas be right back [19:58] sorry, I thought you meant the only tatters [20:00] Dorcas will be here soon [20:00] * Tatter has joined #tatchat [20:00] thank you for calling her [20:00] * katelingo has joined #tatchat [20:00] welcome, kate [20:00] * Tatter is now known as DorcasAnn [20:00] Hello Zena and all! [20:00] And hello to Dorcas, too [20:01] Hello, everyone [20:01] Now do you all want to say hello [20:01] Welcon Kate and Dorcas [20:01] and we give the others a couple of minutes [20:01] Hello, Kate [20:01] ordo you want to get started? [20:01] I am ready [20:02] Dorcas? [20:02] I have the pattern in front of me ready to go [20:02] Kate? [20:02] yes, sorry, any time [20:02] READY TO ROLL [20:03] SIGN IN, PLEASE [20:03] * Tatter has joined #tatchat [20:03] ZENA HERBERT SOLAAN44 @YAHOO.CO.UK [20:03] Mary Jane Barittingham Santa Claus., In [20:03] Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, In, USA [20:03] Kate Huttar, Texas, USA, katelingo @ huttar.net [20:03] SECRET TATTER? [20:04] PLEASE CHANGE TO YOUR NAME SO WE CAN WELCOME YOU [20:04] * Tatter is now known as Bob [20:04] HAS ANYBODY HAD A GO AT THIS PATTERN [20:04] WELCOME, BOB [20:04] Hi All [20:04] not yet, I like it though [20:04] IT'S BASED ON SOMETHING I SAW [20:04] not yet [20:05] IN ELGIVA NICHOLLS BOOK [20:05] ABOUT FALSE PICOTS. tHE PIECE I'VE DONE ISN'T IN THE BOOK [20:05] it's pretty, but I only downloaded it today so haven't had chance to try it yet [20:05] IT'S A REWORK AND ADD-ON [20:05] ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START TO GO THROUGH IT? [20:06] no [20:06] TWO SHUTTLES, CTM.NOTHING [20:06] WE START JUST AS USUAL. tHERE'S NO NEED FOR THE 'NOTHING' [20:07] WITH A CH OF 6DS [20:07] * Tatter has joined #tatchat [20:07] THEN BEFORE WE DO THE rING WITH THE sH2 [20:07] THE CHAIN SHUTTLE, WE LEAVE A SP OF 4MM [20:07] OK SO FAR, SO GOOD [20:08] Hello everyone, sorry I'm late [20:08] I USED A PICOT GAUGE FOR THE RING PICOTS [20:08] * Tatter is now known as SusanK [20:08] YOU'RE WELCOME, BETTER LATE THAN NOT AT ALL [20:08] You aren't late, we started early. [20:08] THAT'S MY OVER-EAGERNESS! [20:08] :) [20:08] WE'RE JUST STARTING ON THE FALSE PICOT INSERTION [20:08] HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE PATTERN YET? [20:09] http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/zenamockpicotplay.html [20:09] Just in case... [20:09] THANK YOU KATE [20:09] I'M A DUFFER AT THIS [20:09] THE RING IS 2DS, 3P SEP BY 2DS, 2DS, CL. [20:09] You're doing great. [20:10] after you make the ring, how do you get back down to the chain? [20:10] Not yet, I'll look at it now [20:10] PICOTS ARE 10MM LONMG, 5MM CLOSED-UP [20:10] THAT'S A FINE QUESTION DORCAS [20:10] YOU LEAVE A 4MM SPACE BEFORE YOU CONTINUE THE CHAIN [20:10] YOU DON'T REVERSE THE WORK [20:10] THE SPACE YOU LEAVE BEFORE YOU MAKE THE RING [20:11] AND THE SPACE YOU LEAVE AFTER THE RING [20:11] FORM THE FALSE PICOT [20:11] Wow. I get it. [20:11] YOU ONLY LEAVE 4MM EACH SIDE AS A SPACE [20:11] I was wondering the same thing. Now I understand. [20:11] BECAUSE THE RING STRETCHES THE THREAD A BIT [20:11] WHEN YOU CLOSE THE RING [20:12] IS THAT OK? [20:12] SO AFTER THE RING AND THE SECOND 4MM SPACE, DO ANOTHER CH OF 6DS [20:12] ANY QUESTINS SO FAR? [20:12] SORRY, QUESTIONS [20:12] not yet [20:12] That makes sense so far [20:13] IT'S EASIER THAN IT LOOKS [20:13] OK, you don't make a false p. but leave a thread space? [20:13] WORK ANOTHER IRN, WITH A 4MM SP LIKE BEFORE [20:13] JOIN THE FIRST P OF THE R TO THE LAST P [20:13] OF THE PRECEDING R [20:14] CLOSE THIS SECOND RING. [20:14] LEAVE YOUR 4MM SP, DO YOUR NEXT CH OF 6DS [20:14] CARRY ON TO THE CORNER [20:14] IF YOU'RE GOING TO TURN A CORNER [20:14] NOW THIS IS THE BIT THAT ISN'T IN THE BOOK [20:15] ARE WE ALL TOGETHER? [20:15] yes [20:15] yes [20:15] dORCAS? [20:15] yes [20:15] SUSAN? [20:16] yes [20:16] MJB? [20:16] GREAT, THANK YOU [20:16] AT THE CORNER, WORK THE RING AS USUAL [20:16] CH OF 5DS [20:16] THAT'S IMPORTANT [20:16] THE CH COUNT CHANGES TO 5DS [20:17] Don't worry about me, I'm still studyin the pattern [20:17] OK, SHAN'T HARRASS YOU (LOL) [20:17] SO, WORK THE 5DS, THEN 1 RDS [20:17] REVRSED DOUBLE STITCH [20:18] JOIN TO THE THRID P OF THE LAST R WORKED [20:18] END CH WITH 6DS [20:18] R OF 2DS, J TO 2ND P OF THE LAST R, COMPLETE R AS USUAL [20:19] CH OF 6DS [20:19] THIS COMPLETES THE CORNER [20:19] ok, now I have a question. [20:19] YES PLEASE [20:19] The RDS is the corner stitch? [20:19] YES [20:19] Do you have to do 5 more DS after that before the join? [20:19] IT CHANGES THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIN [20:20] YES. IT GOES 5DS, 1RDS, 5DS [20:20] ok, got it. [20:20] DID I MISS THAT OUT IN MY EXCITEMENT? [20:20] I think so. Either that or I missed it in my slowness. [20:20] YES, I SEE I DID - DOH! SORRY [20:20] :) [20:21] I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHY WE ONLY DO 5DS [20:21] APPROACHING THE CORNER [20:21] It is a really ingenious design. [20:21] AND 5DS AFTER IT [20:21] a [20:21] ANY IDEAS? [20:21] Looks like a frame to me. [20:22] or an insertion. [20:22] or the letter "L" [20:22] ooh, a new alphabet! [20:22] BUT WHY DO WE SUDDENLY CHANGE FROM 6DS CH TO 5DS? [20:22] The RDS is #6? [20:22] Would making 6 make the corner to stick out since ther is the rds in there? [20:22] ALPHABET'S A GREAT IDEA [20:22] SPOT ON, SUSAN! [20:23] THE RDS IS COMMON TO BOTH SIDES OF THE ANGLE [20:23] SO IT ADDS TO THE FIRST 5DS, MAKING 6 [20:23] AND IT ADDS TO THE FOLLOWING 5DS, MAKING 6 AGAIN [20:23] IF YOU DO 6DS EACH SIDE OF THE CORNER [20:23] I would add more picots to make it look like a daisy alphabet [20:24] THE CORNER STICKS OUT [20:24] Aaah, that's clever! [20:24] I THOUGHT IT IS PRETTY FIENDISH! [20:24] I need to try this for my granddaughters initials [20:25] THE INSTRUCTIONS ELGIVA GIVES JUST SAY A RIGHT ANGLED CORNER CAN BE TURNED [20:25] THE SAMPLE SHE SHOWS [20:25] which of her books? [20:25] TURNS THE RINGS TO STAND ON TWO PICOTS INSTEAD OF ON ONE [20:26] TATTING TECHNIQUES [20:26] thanks [20:26] I'LL CHECK THE PAGE NUMBER FOR YOU [20:26] 86-88 [20:26] NOW SHALL WE GO ALONG TO THE END AND MAKE THE TURN [20:27] TO COME BACK FOR THE SECOND ROW [20:27] GO ON TO THE LENGTH YOU WANT [20:27] TURN THE CORNER LIKE BEFORE BUT [20:27] THERE IS ALWAYS A BUT [20:27] AFTER THE J INTO THE 3RD P OF LAST R [20:28] There always is LOL! [20:28] WORK 5DS, 1RDS, 5DS [20:28] J TO 2ND P OF LAST R, 6DS [20:28] SO THE CH JOINS INTO THE R [20:28] QUESTIONS HERE? [20:29] no, it is much easier than I thought when I first looked at it. [20:29] No, I think I've got it. [20:29] JOIN INTO THE TOP P OF THE R SO THAT YOU [20:30] ARE DOUBLING BACK ON YOURSELF [20:30] IT'S LIKE DOING TWO CORNERS CONSECUTIVELY [20:30] OK, DORCAS? [20:31] yes [20:31] FINE [20:31] WORK BACK ALONG THE ROW, JOINING INTO THE TOP P OF THE RINGS UNTIL YOU COME TO THE INNER CORNER [20:31] WHEN YOU HAVE ONE FREE R BEFORE THE CORNER R [20:32] WORK CH 0F 5DS [20:32] J INTO TOP OF R IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE CORNER RING [20:32] AND AT THE SAME TIME [20:32] JOIN INTO THE TOP P OF THE R IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE CORNER [20:32] SO YOU'VE A DOUBLE JOIN THERE [20:33] ARE WE ALL TOGETHER? [20:33] yes [20:33] yes [20:33] yes [20:33] GREAT [20:33] Yes [20:33] CH OF 5DS, J INTO TOP P OF NEXT R [20:33] THEN 6DS BETWEEN JOINS AS BEFORE [20:34] yes [20:34] IT'S NOT AS DIFFICULT AS IT LOOKS, IS IT? [20:34] no, it isn't [20:34] No,I love this edging. Is it your design Zena? [20:34] no [20:35] NO, I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR IT [20:35] And it has a lot of possibilities. [20:35] I JUST WORKED OUT THE PATTERN AND THE CORNER GAME [20:35] Yesm I see lots of possibilities [20:35] you did a good job! [20:35] DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT? [20:35] THANK YOU DORCAS [20:36] no, it's great! [20:36] Can't see any problems. [20:36] I wonder if using 6 on the inside corners might [20:36] IF YOU CHANGED THE CH COUNT BETWEEN RINGS [20:36] YOU'D NEED TO CH THE PICOT SIZE [20:36] would keep that ring before the corner not pull [20:37] and stay in line better? [20:37] IT'S WORTH A TRY [20:37] I DID 6DS TO START BUT IT MADE THE ANGLE ACUTE INSTEAD OF SQUARE [20:37] IT MIGHT DEPEND ON WHAT TENSION YOU TAT AT [20:37] on the outside of the corner to start? [20:38] I tat tight [20:38] YES. I DID 6DS ON THE OUTER CORNER TO TURN [20:38] IT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT [20:38] I tat tight [20:38] Oh yea, your individual tension often makes a difference [20:38] SO I CHANGED TO 5DS,1RDS,5DS AND THAT SQUARED IT UP [20:38] I TAT QUITE TIGHTLY TOO [20:38] Yes, I can see on the outside 6 would be too many [20:39] I tat tightly too [20:39] WITH 5DS ON THE OUITSIDE [20:39] Yes, 6 would make it a bit big. [20:39] THERE'S NO ROOM FOR 6DS ON THE INNER CORNER [20:39] IF YOU LOOK AT MY START/FINISH [20:40] YOU'LL SEE THE DISTORTION [20:40] What kind of join is on the inside corner? [20:40] HOW DO YOU MEAN? [20:40] should you start with 5 since it will end up being a corner? [20:40] YES, DORCAS, THAT'S RIGHT [20:40] Is it like a regular (up or down) ring to ring join? [20:40] I LEFT IT AS IT IS SO WE CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE 6DS MAKES [20:41] YES, IT'S AN ORDINARY JOIN BUT THROUGH TWO PICOTS INSTEAD OF THROUGH ONE [20:42] IF YOU USED THIS AS A BASE FOR ALPHABETS [20:42] YOU'D NEED SQUARED-OFF LETTERS [20:42] BUT IT WOULD BE VERY PRETTY [20:42] I was wondering about curves, like in "C", etc. [20:42] without the rds at the outside corner, I wonder if [20:43] the chain would just curve around smoothly [20:43] I EXPECT IT WOULD [20:43] Maybe if you tweaked the stitch counts on the inside and outside chains you could do curves [20:43] YOU NEED THE RDS TO GET THE SHARP TURN SO [20:43] IF YOU OMIT IT OR TWEAK IT [20:44] YOU'D BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE CURVE/ANGLE [20:44] GOOD IDEA! [20:44] Yes, I think curved letters are definately possible [20:44] thanks [20:44] Wow. You are all designers! :) [20:44] WE ALL SURELY ARE! [20:44] What a team!! :) [20:44] IT'S TELLING OURSELVES WE'RE NOT [20:44] THAT INHIBITS US [20:45] That so true!!! [20:45] we should pat ourselves on the back [20:45] HOW ELSE DO YOU THINK YOU COULD USE IT? [20:45] A picture frame [20:45] NEAT! [20:46] IF YOU USED IT AS AN INSERTION, WHAT ABOUT A MATCHING EDGING? [20:46] It would also make a nice bookmark [20:46] THAT'S A GOOD IDEA [20:46] IF YOU USED SOME KIND OF [20:46] JOINING DEVICE [20:47] YOU COULD MAKE TWO ROWS, SIDE-BY-SIDE [20:47] I was just wondering how to do that..... [20:47] COULD YOU INCORPORATE PEARL TATTING INTO THE CH? [20:48] THAT WOULD GIVE YOU 'PICOTS' TO JOIN INTO [20:48] I HAVEN'T TRIED THIS YET BUT WATCH THIS SPACE1 [20:48] Or you could put paperclips on the core thread of the chains to join into [20:48] on the ay back [20:49] THAT'S A BETTER IDEA THAN MINE [20:49] Way back, sorry [20:49] good idea [20:49] NEATER AND SIMPLER [20:49] What about putting them on a log safety pin [20:49] IN FACT, IT'S BRILLIANT [20:49] or a knitting stitch holder? [20:49] (RUSHES TO WRITE IT DOWN) [20:50] YOU COULD MAKE THE JOINS AS 'MIRROR' [20:50] OR OFFSET THEM FOR A REALLY DIFFERENT LOOK [20:50] that's a neat idea [20:51] ONCE YOU HAVE A JOINING SPOT TO ADD INTO [20:51] Wow, so much to play with [20:51] IT OPENS THE DOOR TO MANY EXPLORATIONS, DOESN'T IT? [20:51] There is a lot of potential with this pattern [20:52] I'M THINKING ABOUT THOSE VERY LONG STARCHED PICOTS [20:52] thanks for sharing it with us, Zena. [20:52] YOU SEE IN GERMAN TATTING FROM THE 1930S [20:52] Thanks Zena [20:52] HAS ANYONE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TONIGHT'S PROJECT? [20:52] this was a very interesting lesson, thanks [20:53] Is that where the original was? [20:53] I DON'T KNOW [20:53] Thanks Zena., I have enjoyed the lesson [20:53] I think you've covered it very well, thanks Zena [20:53] ELGIVA'S BOOK IS A MILLS&BOON PUBLICATION [20:53] Wonderful Lesson, My creative jjuices are flowing [20:53] THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING [20:53] AND FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME [20:54] THIS CLASS REPEATS LATER ON AT THE USUAL EVENING TIME [20:54] Thanks for teaching! [20:54] THIS IS MY FUDGE FOR SAYING I'M NOT SURE [20:54] WHAT TIME THAT IS BUT I'LL CHECK IT [20:54] THANK YOU ALL AGAIN. HAPPY TATTING! [20:54] bye [20:54] bye [20:55] bye [20:55] Thanks for sharing the pattern and technique!! Bye. [20:55] bye [20:55] * DorcasAnn has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) [20:55] * mjb has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) [20:55] * SusanK has left #tatchat [20:55] * katelingo has quit IRC (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031201]) [20:56] * Bob has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) [20:56] IS BOB STILL THERE Session Close: Mon Mar 26 20:57:12 2007 Session Start: Tue Mar 27 00:32:55 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat [00:32] * Now talking in #tatchat [00:33] * Retrieving #tatchat modes... [00:33] * Zena changes topic to 'False Picot' Session Close: Tue Mar 27 00:35:02 2007 Session Start: Tue Mar 27 00:35:02 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat [00:35] * Disconnected Session Close: Tue Mar 27 00:35:21 2007 Session Start: Tue Mar 27 01:06:52 2007 Session Ident: #tatchat [01:06] * Now talking in #tatchat [01:07] hello, here I am in good time for the Class [01:07] * Retrieving #tatchat modes... [01:07] nick/bj [01:07] * Zena changes topic to 'False Picots' [01:08] Hi Zena, it's Bev in New Mexico. [01:08] well, hello! [01:08] haven't I just been speaking to you in England? [01:08] We have to stop this getting together so often! Yes! [01:09] It really is a magic carpet, don't you think? [01:09] * iSaw has quit IRC (Quit: iSaw) [01:09] Yes, it is neat though. [01:09] my birthady is June, too, 7th. And yours? [01:09] let's see if I can remember how to sign in My birthday is June 12th [01:10] I thought you must be gemini to be so creative AND to teach Business Studies [01:10] I taught that in Ireland [01:11] Oh! That's why I had to be creative but it blew the minds of associates becaue I didn't fit in the square box. [01:11] I forgot to ask you for your postal address [01:11] 4599 N Grandview Road Silver City New Mexico USA zip. 88061 [01:12] nick/ bj [01:12] see, I'm NOT doing this correctly. [01:12] what I usually do is go to the box called 'nick' type in my name and press 'enter' [01:13] * Tatter is now known as bj [01:13] yippee! you did it! [01:13] 10Well, how bout that it worked! [01:13] 10small victories baby steps [01:13] I can see you are going to be top of the class tonight [01:14] we need to count our small victories, you know [01:14] 10oh right! blush I DID begin the design, but 'just' figured out reverse stitch duhh [01:14] well, it isn't so clear. how did you get on with it? [01:14] 10I'll save my question for class, or should I ask now? [01:14] just as you wish [01:15] in my tatting classes, some ladies come round to my shop after class [01:15] 10How'd I get on - well, if it goes up one side like the picture I enlarged; and, then goes back to rejoin on top picots. I think it went okay. The instructiona are great. [01:15] to ask me alone [01:16] oh, super! [01:16] and then there's a little group pf ladies, allpretending they've come to look at something [01:16] 10I wih I COULD COME 'ROUND to your class! sorry about caps - not yelling no more caps caps are for teacher only sez Mimi [01:16] I don't like to use caps, even as a teacher [01:17] it look sot authoritarian to me but I can see the reason [01:17] 10I'm exhuberant and make broad gestures and like a friendly hunting dog. [01:17] 10so I use caps. [01:18] that's a lovely image. it's one-twenty am here and I'm in my PJs [01:18] 10oh good gravey. I'd never make it! [01:18] you won't tell on me for being improperly dressed, will you? [01:19] 10I'm usually in my pj's but grandau has a 'gentleman' caller -so thot I'd better dress in case they po;p in No, I'm not a snitch. [01:19] * Tatter has joined #tatchat [01:19] I never thought you could be [01:19] * Tatter is now known as terry [01:19] welcome, terry [01:19] I'm just here for a minute [01:20] can't you stay? [01:20] Tonight is my tatting group. But it's storming out there [01:20] 10Hi Terry, for just a few minutes! [01:20] Not too many will show up, I'm afraid [01:20] We're doing a butterfly I saw on a Polish page. [01:20] for your class or this one (joke) [01:20] I'm working from a tiny tiny picture [01:20] 10Our storms passed, thank goodness, it is calm in the hi desert [01:21] I'm in Modesto, CA and it's getting better [01:21] It's quite mild here, sunny and srpinglike in UK [01:21] spring [01:21]