Session Start: Mon Mar 19 13:54:02 2007 *** Now talking in #tatchat hello all *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter416 has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as mjb Hello Georgia and all Hi Georgia hello Georgia and all *** Tatter416 is now known as SusanK glad to see you all I'm going to go see if anyone needs help getting into class did you allget the lesson link? Hello Dorcas Ann http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sfullerjoins.html No I didn't get the lesson link *** Tatter has joined #tatchat no got it now *** Tatter is now known as Katia Sorry everyone, I didn't send Georgia the file til late last night! What are we doing today Hello Everyone! hey that's ok Sue, I've com ein at the last minute a time or two myself I am now back, hello everyone where you been OT Ihave a new shuttle design :) http://www.georgiaseitz.com/ebay/specials/hbtshtl.html I had to go out in the rain and move my car the lesson is http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sfullerjoins.html mjb *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as TatPat1 Hello, everyone. Georgia do i have 5 more min before class begin´ and we are going to look at http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0703edging.asp also 9 more minutes open chat boy did you have a thunderstorm Dorcas? DH and I were jolted clean out of bed this am early nice afk going to put little zach to play in a bath so i can have the class all to myself thought we'd beenhit but it must have just been i nthefield close by yes, and of course I was at the grocery at the time *** Tatter has joined #tatchat still raining here it hit here around noon It's sunny and warm here in California. still raniy here but calm not now hey Patsy! Hey, Geogia. *** Tatter868 has joined #tatchat Lets go to California *** Tatter868 is now known as Zena sounds good tatter and 868 you can change your name by typing /nick yourname welcome Zena Come on down. I have a blow up mattress. It's sunny and warm here in Colorado, You near Costa Mesa Patsy? I can sleep on that Feb 2008 Winter Lace Conf wore my sandals and cropped pants to work this morning! *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) South. about a two hour drive. must be nice we're cloudy in Texas but no rain. We could use some. *** Tatter has joined #tatchat I'm originally from Southwest Michigan so this is so wonderful. Attended the 2007 Winter Lace conference. With Randy. neat I'm going in 2008 sorry to be late, just finished dinner. Hello at last Hopw I'm abe to go. Not up to going to Spokane. In too much pain. you're right on time Zena 4 more minutes open chat ouch sorry to hear that Phew! That's a relief! what is wrong? Spokane is in one month maybe you'll feel better by then TatPat1, are you Patsy G who went to the Denver 2005 IOLI? the links for today Old age mostly, Back, hands, knees, legs, etc. http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0703edging.asp Yes, I'm that Patsy. I sat next to you and we visited at one of the luncheons *** Zena has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter443 has joined #tatchat *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) back http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sfullerjoins.html Hi Susan, nice to talk to you again. LOL *** Tatter443 is now known as Zena I should have said Hello to you Patsy, it's nice to talk to you again too Sorry, ran off by mistake ok let's get started PLEASE SIGN IN *** Tatter has joined #tatchat GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA Katia Vallée Sherbrooke QC Canada lady_elhasa@hotmail.com Zena Herbert, Uk, solaan44@yahoo.co.uk Maary Jane Brittingham Santa Claus., Indiana usa MARCH 19, 2007 Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN, USA Patsy A. Goodman, Chula Vista, CA, USA karpap@cox.net OUR LESSON FOR TODAY: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sfullerjoins.html AND Kate Huttar, Texas, USA katelingo @ huttar.net http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0703edging.asp LET'S LOOK FIRST AT THE PATTERN POSTED BY NANCY FROM BESTITCHED.COM http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0703edging.asp JUST A NOTE THAT SHE HAS USED THE ONION RING IN THIS PATTERN TO MAKE THE PINK FLOWERS *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) IF THE ONION RINGS IS NEW TOYOU THE FULL HOW 2 LESSON IS It has the same look at Hungarian embroidery *** DorcasAnn has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/onion/onionhow2.html HOW IS IT FORMED IN HUNGARIAN EMBROIDERY zENA? THE ONLY DIFFERNCE IS THAT YOU PULL UP THERING THREAD TO MAKE THE ONION RING JOIN Is there a formula for how many more ds you increas for each onion skin, or is it suck it and see? NANCY'S DIAGRMAS AND ARE GOOD SO FAR I JUST DO GUESS WORK It's a beautiful edging,I didn't know the Onion Ring join BUT THERE IS PROBABLY A BETTER WAY In hungarian embroidery you have to lay down the threads and couch them *** Tatter has joined #tatchat until I started studying various joins for this class AH I SEE OK ZENA *** Tatter is now known as DorcasAnn CAN ANYONE TELL FROM NANCY'S PHOTO DID SHE DO THE UP OR DOWN JOIN TO JOIN THE FLOWERS TOTHE GREEN CLOVERS? down? IT IS HARD FOR ME TO SEE TO TELL ON THIS PHOTO ANYWAY REMEMBER WHEN JOINING 2 COLORS IN PARTICULAR I see a green dot showing but can't remember what that means DOWN JOIN GETS RID OF ODD COLOR SPOTS oh, I thought it was the other way around. I'm confused. :) OK LET'S GO ON TO STUDY THESE ADDITIONAL JOINS SUSAN HAS PREPARED FOR US I use the menemonic, 'down and out' for that http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sfullerjoins.html ooh, that's good. GOOD ONE zENA! *** SusanK is now known as SUSANK if I could spell mnemonic TYPOES ARE OUR FRIENDS IN THIS CLASS OK SUSAN I LIKE THAT TERM ZENA YOU PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS PRESENTATION Thank you! WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK US THROUGH IT? I HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS MAKING IT BTDT :) FIRST JUST USED DOWN JOINS FOR THE JOINS OOPS, NEED TO BRING THE LINK UP MYSELF OK I HOPE EVERYONE WILL CAREFULLY READ TEH ABBREVIATIONS LIST what is CWJ? SUS IS USING SOME SYMBOLS AND TERMS NOT USED IN CLASS CATHERINE WHEEL JOIN ON THE SAMPLE ON MY BLOG BUT AFTER SEEING THE cATHERINE WHEEL JOIN USED THAT ON THE NEW SAMPLE ON THE CLASS SITE *** Tatter has joined #tatchat I thought it was Cute Wiggly Join doh! WELCOME TATTER ROFL WELL THAT IS A NEW TERM! cOULD BE THE NEW NAME FOR THIS JOIN ZENA CAN ANYONE SEE BY LOOKING AT THE LEFT ON THE PHOTO WE ARE FAMILAR WITH THE - BEING USED FOR PICOTS - = SMALL PICOT -- = MED PICOT ---LARGER PICOT ETC WHERE YOU MARKED NO CWJ? *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) (WHERE IT SAYS should NOT be CWJ? WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH THE cATHERINE JOIN MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN ROUND ONE NO IDEAS? LUMPY JOIN? no LEAVE A V SPACE ? IT WAS SMOOTH AND LOOKED GREAT, HOWEVER *** mjb has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) IF i GUESS RIGHT DO I GET A PRIZE? LOL SORRY I'LL BEHAVE NOW *** Tatter has joined #tatchat WB *** Tatter is now known as mjbH THE CWJ JOIN IS HAS THE SHUTTLE THREAD CONTINUEING THROUGH ROUND 1 WITH NO INTERUPPTIONS AS I WORKED THE SHUTTLE THREAD KEPT TIGHTING UP MORE AND MORE AND THE STAR SHAPE WAS PULLED MORE AND MORE INTO A CIRCLE SHAPE AH DISTORTION, HMM THEN WHAT HAPPENED? YES!!!!! So if you did a 'down' join with the shuttle thread, would it not have controlled the shape at every pint/dip? SO, BETTER TO USE DOWNWARD SHUTTLE JOIN (OOPS "DOWN AND OUT") VARIATION THERE YOU GO! A DOWN SHUTTLE JOIN WOULD YES, BUT I DID NOT LIKE THE LOOK OF JUST THAT, SO I CAME UP WITH MY OWN VARIATION THAT I LIKED THE LOOK AND FLATNESS OF BETTERW OK THIS MADE IT SLANT AND LOOK LIKE THE FIRST LEG OF THE NEXT CHAIN SECTION SO I FINISHED THE JOIN WITH A REGULAR SECOND HALF AND COUNTED IT AS THE FIRST STITCH IN THAT NEXT CHAIN That's a brilliant idea! THANKS THAT CREATES A VERY NEAT FLAT JOIN YES NORMALLY I DON'T COUNT A REGULAR UP OR DOWN SHUTTLE JOIN BECAUSE TO ME THE JOIN IS *USUALLY* VERTICALLY STRAIGHT AND DEAD CENTER BETWEEN THE 2 CHAIN PIECES With a regular join, don't you usually do the 2nd half of the stitch to 'lock' the join, and count it as the first st of next sequence? Same concept as a picot? NO BECAUSE A SHUTTLE JOIN IS A LOCKED JOIN BY ITSELF NOT EVERYONE DOES A HALF STITCH AFTER A JOIN ZENA, i DON'T, MANY SO THO MANY DO THO Maybe it's an over-the-water thing. WELL IT IS USED BY MANY HERE IN CLASS WE HAVE NOT "PROVED" IT BETTER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, JUST DIFFERENT YES,MANY DO AND THERE ARE ALWAYS DIFFERENT SITUATIONS REQUIRING DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES EXACTLY SO FOR REGULAR RING TO RING JOINS,EITHER UP OR DOWN, sure, 'different' is what suits each of us I DO MAKE A SECOND HALF AND COUNT THE JOIN A SECOND HALF DS AS THE 1ST DS OF THE NEXT SECTION THERE ARE DIFFERENCES, NOT RIGHTS OR WRONGS TO ME hmmm... I"ve never thought of doing the ring and chain joins differently like that. Will have to try it out. I agree completely i AGREE TOTALY ZENA AND KATE, IT DEPENDS ALSO ON WHETHER YOU ARE WORKING ON THE FRONT OF THE TATTING OR HAVE RW'D TO WORK ON THE BACK oh, goodness, don't go there. YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR MIND BUSY DECIDING WHICH WAY IS UP IF YOU WANT THE ALL FRONT/BACK SIDE LOOK TOTHE TATTING OOH, THAT ANOTHER WHOLE ISSUE TO ADD TO JOINS LOL I haven't figured out front and back side tatting ... oh my WELL SUSAN WHAT ABOUT THIS COOR YOU MENTIONED Is this front-side/back-side thing very big in USA? Not many seem to take in into account in UK IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN JURIED AND EXIHIBITION PIECES IT IS ALL A MATTER OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE I don't know. I just know I tried it recently and got so confused I gave up. :) Oh, I see. We don't have that many juried shows here BUT THESE DAYS NEALY EVERYTHING WE SEE IN CLASS HAS DEFINITED FRONT SIDE EXCEPT FOR THE "CHARACTER" PIECES I MADE IT EASY ON MY SNOWFLAKE AND ONLY DID A PATTERN WITHOUT RW'S KATE THE BASIC RULE = IF YOU RW THEN REVERSE THE HALF STITCH ORDER ECONOMY OF MOTION IS ALWAYS GOOD THAT'S "CLIMBING OUT" OF A RING THROUGH A (MOCK) PICOT i MEAN COOR IS COOR? OK OK That's so useful Maybe I need to try it on a simpler piece first. I PUT THE (MOCK IN () BECAUSE ELGIVA NICHOLS BOOK I LEARNED IT FROM JUST SAID PICOT WE'VE ALWAYS USED MOCK PICOT IN CLASS TOO You're quite right, though, it is a mock picot YES IT IS you really dont want the french translation of the mock picot FAUX PICOT? OH OH PROBABLY NOT picot tricheur that is how we call it but it would supposed to be picot moqueur WHAT'S THAT DARE I ASK? AH LIKE MOCKINGBIRD? yes A MOCK MOCKINGBIRD? ou bien, vous vous moquez de moi lol zena that's an idea, a mocking picot :) that is how it should have been translated bbut faux picot discribe it better May be accurate sometimes, too. :) (for me, it would be!) THIS CLASS IS SO MUCH FUN, THANKS ALL LOL A LOT THIS AFTERNOON sorry for the disburbance teacher ;) LOL oups miss type disturbance OK WELLWE USE THE MOCK PICOT TO CLIMB OUT FROM THE CENTER OR FROM SIDE TO SIDE TO PREVENT HAVING MORE ENDS TO HIDE NOW SUSAN ALSO HAD A POITN TO MAKE ABOUT THE LOCK STITCJH UM, GIVE ME A MINUTE ONE HALF STITCH WRAPPED AND ONE HALF STITCH TATTED NOW SUSAN SAYS SHE WRAPS THE 1HS AND TATS THE 2HS LET'S SEE, YES, TO ME AND MANY OTHERS i do have a question Georgia are we all shuttle tatter or we have needle tatters also IHAVE USUALLY DONE IT THE OPPOSITE TAT 1HS WRAP 2HS WE HAVE BOTH IN CLASS KATIA THE MOCK PICOT FOR THE NEEDLE LOOKS A LITLE DIFFERENT DO YOU WANT A PHOTO? no the question was for the lock stich for needle tatters I usually wrap first, tat second THE DEFINITION MANY USE IS THAT A LK ST CAN BE EITHER HALF UNFLIPPED, OR AS I'VE JUST LEARNED FROM THIS LESSON, WRAPPED BUT ONLY BECAUSE IS IT A NEEDLE TATTED RING AH OK NEEDLE TATTERS TEND TO "TIE" THE MOCK PICOT i dont BUT IT CAN BE DONE BY USING THE NEEDLE AS IF IT WERE A SHUTTLE WHICHEER WAY CHOSEN JUST REMBER THAT WHEN CLIMBING OUT INTO A CHAIN BUT MANY OF US -http://www.picotnet.com/TatInstruct/lock.htm - MOST TIMES THE LOCK STITCH IS NEEDED TO PREVENT THE CHAIN FROM DRAWING UP GOING OUT TO A SPLIT RING NO NEED TO LCOK STITCH define a LK ST AS THE UNTURNED HALF OF A DOUBLE STITCH - EITHER HALF THAT'S CLEAR THEN, EITHER WAY THAT LAST SHOULD HAVE STARTED,"MANY OF US" I USE WRAP FIRST HALF, REG 2ND FOR COOR OK THEN WE HAVE ALL THE TOOLS WE NEED TO TAT THIS SNOWFLAKE FLOWER AND YOU HAVE POSTED THE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS ON YOUR WEBSITE? BUT THE OPP FOR CHANGING DIRECTIONS ON A CHAIN wEBSITE NOT QUITE READY, MAYBE GOING UP BEFORE WED THIS WEEK THTA MUST MAKE IT A MORE DEFINITE ANGLE ON THE CHAIN THEN YES OK ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS ON THE PATTERN? ANYTHING ELSE ON THE TECHNIQUES? No, thank you, that's made it clear OTHER PHOTP IS ON MY MUCH NEGLECTED BLOG SUSAN YOU DIDA GREAT JOB ONTHIS thanks, Susan IT IS FASCINTAING TO FOLLOW THE THOUGH PROCESSES IN DESIGNING A PATTERN thank you indeed thank you, Susan THIS LESSON WILL REPEAT TONIGHT AT 8:30PM ET NEW YORK TIME thanks for the class Susan THANKS ALL, I'VE ENJOYED IT AND WANT TO DO MORE *** Tatter has joined #tatchat UNTIL THEN, MANY THANKS TO ALL FOR COMING bye all Thank you, Georgia, bye everyone KATIA YOU BETTER CHECK ON ZACH'S BATH I'LL BET HE LOOKS LIKE A PRUVE BY NOW! thanks for the afternoon Georgia PRUNE THANKS GEORGIA, *** Tatter is now known as Jane Oh, am I too late? BYE FOR NOW JANE!!! lol im sitting right beside him and watching him *** DorcasAnn has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) about one hour, Jane HEY NEVER TOO LATE BUT YES CLASS IS OVER Sorry, forgot the time change!! JANE E? Yes, sorryyyyy GOOD TO SEE YOU LOVED THE MEERCAT :) When the clocks change in UK, you'll be just on time :( We missed you! I'LL EMAIL YOU NEXT WEEK JANE Session Close: Mon Mar 19 15:02:06 2007 Session Start: Mon Mar 19 19:21:02 2007 *** Now talking in #tatchat 06How are you this evening? 06Hi Georgia! hello all 06you made it early tonight. Hi Georgia! Hello Miss Georgia *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as sherong Hi all 06Hi Sheron. So what's going on *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 06it been a bit quiet so far... byHisWord2 Hi all 06did you get the email about tonight's class? 06Hi there. I'm checking email to see if anyone needs help to get into class 06ok Georgia. Yes - but it's also on the site in the lesson index 06yes, I wasn't sure you knew what the class was about tonight? Different joins *** JB has joined #tatchat 06yes ok well glad to see you al lhere got a good seat? comfy? anyone got chocolate to share? no chocolate--but shortbread cookies our open chat cont 9 minutte well that sounds pretty good there're homemade 06oh they really sound good. *** Tatter580 has joined #tatchat Hi Everyone 06hi there. Hi *** Tatter580 is now known as SusanK I'm not seeing any more text *** Tatter338 has joined #tatchat 06been a bit quiet tonight. *** Tatter338 is now known as JeanneZ Now I see more Thanks 06sure. Hi AK How are you 06Hi Jeanne...good and how are you? Hi LInda hey Jeanne Have not been to class for a while It's so nice to be here for the evening class, I usually work at night but it's Spring Break 06good to see you. AK what did you do for your Birthday DId not se you online jeanne what were you initials before yo umarried? JS I needed to take my cousin Marth to st Louis airport for her flight back to chile 06isn't that a long trip for you? ok that is why I missed you hopw yu had a great birthday so we drove her over and one the way back by dh took a detour to Alton illiois where the piasa dragon is carved on the cliffs for me to see it and then he took me to a riverboat forlunch! nice 06oh that sounds like fun? What a wonderful lunch is that a casino boat we gambled and lost $8 afterwards yes it was! ok I thught it might be about 2.5 hours to the airo=port but it was a nice drive why did yu want my initials? trying to find out who jkh is not me i can't remember *** Tatter270 has joined #tatchat sign of old age sneaking up on me I guess Don't think I know who that woud be tatter and 270 you can change your name by typing /nick yourname It's not sneaking any more for me, more like openly stalking 1 more minute *** Tatter071 has joined #tatchat lol i feel like tat too I'm sorry I need to go. *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) tatter, 071 and 270 you can change your name by typing /nick yourname ok let's get started PLEASE SIGN IN GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA *** Tatter270 is now known as Ruth Jeanne Zukowski Lake Peekskill, NY cold and snowing MARCH 19, 2007 EVENING CLASS 10Beverly Davis beeloyal1@aol.com Silver City New Mexico USA 06Linda Barnes, Woodbridge, VA, USA lingram2@comcast.net J.B. Locke jl@pepper.net Satsuma, AL THE LESSON FOR TODAY IS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/sfullerjoins.html Susan K Fuller rlskfuller@comcast.net Loveland colorado Carmen Renee, Peru, carlat476@gmail.com Ruth Perry rjpoms@yahoo.com Kansas City Sheron Goldin, sherongb@yahooo.com, Columbia, SC AND WE WILL LOOK AT NANCY FROM BESTITCHED.COM 'S