Session Start: Mon Feb 19 14:02:06 2007 *** Now talking in #tatchat the dog groomer? Hi georgia yes 12Hi G hello all! back 03Hi Georgia hi Georgia Hi, AK Hello, Georgis Hello Georgia Mary you are such a tease making me wait in suspense 12Yeah I am aren't I g...Its big HI ya Zena Zena what day are we doing your dragonfly?? Boujour Katie 12Everyone in the guild knows what you are getting Helo Eliz and Mary Jane they do??? 12by the way, Marie Smith says hello Whenevr you wish. I'm back now ,please God, so as you like is fine with me. hmm who can I bribe??? 12no one..their lips are sealed mrach 5? 12I know you are going to like it....I love mine Great. March 5th it is. Just tell me what to do and I'm your woman. *** Tatter is now known as Kate ok great you're on Hi everyone welcome Kate Hi Kate Hello Kate Hello, Kate 03Hi Kate Hi Kate 12Hi Kate helo, Kate Hey Susanne who is tht sitting next to you? 797? is that like 007? *** Tatter797 is now known as JaneEb 797 you can change your name by typing /nick yourname :) Jane!!!! Hi Jane hey that is great to see u Hi Jane! Hello, Jane hi Jane 03Hi Jane hi Jane hi Jane 12Hi jane I got in straight away this week - HI everybody open chat continues 4 more minutes 12how is your family....lol i will go check to see if anyone needs help to get in brb 03Yes almost like 007 ;-D Quick! get chatting,get chatting! They're fine, thanks. AKA did you see the reference to your shuttles??? 12G left for a moment We'd better behave while she's gone - or NOT!! 03lol How are you, Susanne? What have you been doing? Shall we all hide? *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as hope nice one jane Hi Hope Hello Hope Hi Hopie hi, Hope 12hi hope hi hope Hope! I got your e-mail, I'll talk to you later Hey tatters 12yes lets hide on g\ lol 03I am fine thanks and have been tatting Nancy's heart the other night, it was a real pleasure to tat how?? 12no one answer her... even though she can see her?? I'm hiding under the table - where are the rest of you gonna hide? That's pretty. I'm making snowflakes and bookmarks 12i am under my desk behind the curtin roflol royalty got to you Nah, wasn't royalty - it was your darn dead President that did for me!! I'm disguised as a picot 03I am just sitting here and not hiding was 44 here this am!! Georgia's time is up You are the tree in the wood, Susanne that's cold for you Bet she's gone to have a sly cuppa tea!!!! better believe it!! 03lol Zena 12lol Come on, what other mischief can we cook up? how cold are you dorcas?? 12maybe she is eating chocolate woa.... chocolate?? NO WAY - NOT CHOCOLATE!!!! She's dead if she is!!! Beans on toast, Jane? wish I had a Zero bar... 12I at 3 tins of it since saturday not bad today, it may get up to 50 this week, the snow is melting I've got a bowl of candy corn. Want some? Yay, beans on toast - boring but better!!! Won't get jealous about that! 12yes...yum passing the bowl around... 03Looks like you'll be sending the snow this way in a day or two, lol 12beans on toast..?????????? ok ok I'm back LET'S SIGN IN gross We had one day of snow in Bedford (southern England) I had three snow fights Ah, darn we've been hiding from you!!! GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP IL USA AKTATTER@AOL.COM mary jane Brittingham Santa Claus., In usa Katia Vallée Sherbrooke QC Canada lady_elhasa @hotmail.com Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN, USA Eliz Davis in Arkansas, USA WHAT REFERENCE TO MY SHUTTLES JANE? Jane Eborall - the sensible one in Stratford upon Avon Kate Huttar, Dallas, TX Zena Herbert, Morecambe, England love2tat Miami Fl USA 12icela columbia,sc usa 03Susanne in Aarhus, Denmark OLLY OLLY OXEN FREE EVERYON COME OUT NOW When Master Tatbead threw one through a window - keep up AKA!!!!! HOPE! 12LOL not yet g lol :) LOL I DID GET AN UNUSUAL BOX OF CHOCLATES THIS WEEK FOR CHINESE NEW YEAR 12from who g don't forget it is Year of the Pig 03Oh is that right now GAUVA PUREE CRYSTAL GIGER PLUM PIECES WEIRD BUT TASTY WE SHOULD GET OUT OUR PINK PIG SHUTTLES AND TAT! 12I bought Jan's book, I hope its worth it it wirth it icela i HAVEN' SEEN IT MARY BUT HE DOES FANTASTIC LARGE PICES IN THE TRADITIONAL STYLE interesting combination IT SHOULD BE GREAT FEB. 19, 2007 12do you have it Katia THE LESSON LINK FOR TODAY IS yes I got Lene Bjorn's 24 Snowflakes and the instructions are sparse to say the least 1hs2hsdebate http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/1hs2hs.html 12I am interested in the necklaces PHOTO AND DIAGRAM IS ALL WE REALLY NEED ZENA EVERYONE GOT IT PRINTED? ANYON EHAVE TIME TO READ ALL THE LINKS? 03Almost all Akacia's books are sparse regarding instructions but diagrammed *** Tatter has joined #tatchat some of the links in our lesson weren't working when I checked them about half an hour ago *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatter) OH! WHICH ONE? There were 3: one to the Riego materials one to Jon's book, can't remember the other 12I read most of them..my head is spinning.... I can read diagrams but sometimes work order suggestion or even an arrow helps 03Yes very true Zena THIS ONE? http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/riego1860pg6-7.jpg 12I agree. diagrams should always include arrows. and one to Civil War article when I click on blue text "public domain..." it just opens another window like the one I'm already in 12g that link brings us back to your front page on your website *** DorcasAnn has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) PUBLIC DOMAIN Publicdomain http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/publicindex.html reigo tatting instructions says url not found *** Tatter has joined #tatchat OK LET ME LOOK AT THE RIEGO *** Tatter is now known as DorcasAnn wb dorcas 03WB DorcasAnn thanks 03Zena, is it spring on the other side of the North Sea? hope wich neclkase are you interested in jan`s book Yes, I have snowdrops, aubretia (little purple flowers) crocus and daffodils now. It is mild enought o pack away my scarf and mittens. 12I was katia 12are any in the book on his website? 03Oh envy 12or are they better than the ones on his website Are you still in winter, Susanne? im not sur wich one is on his web site OK i AM LOADING THE RIEGO PAGE UP AGAIN 12can you describe which ones are in his book.. welll the vest hat and necklase in green on is web site are in the book 03A mild winter so far yes but a snowstorm is predicted on Wednesday with 15 cm of snow I've just done number 90 out of 100 autopilot motifs!!! Tomorrow I can start on a new idea - yipppeee 12great. I wanted that OK LET'S LOOK AT THE COMMENTS BY PAT WHILE THAT PAGE IS LOADING 15cms - that's a lot! Does it usually stay on the ground for a while? 03What are you making for autopilot motifs, Jane ? SO THE QUESTIONS COMES DOWN TO THIS WE HAVE 2 HALF STITCHES IN WHICH ORDER DO WE TAT THEM? THESE HS WERE ALSO CALLED THE fRENCH STITCH AND THE Under first, over second 121st half then 2nd half or vice versa ENGLISH STITCH IN THE EARLY THATS 03no not for long usually MARK'S GREAT GRAPHICS SURE MAKE IT EASY TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THEM THEN QUESTION THEN CAME UP if i type something strange its my 2 year od who does nt want to take is nap ABOUT DOING THE TATTING METHOD KNOWN AS THE REVERSE RIEGO I agrre with Jane - under the moon and over the stars EVERYONE SEE THE VIDEOS? 12I knew it Katia yes, saw them yes yes tahnk you yes ZACAHRY BTE IS THE WORLD'S NEWEST TATTER I THINK, EH KATIE? 12no I fell asleep on the readings....lol 03I saw them, strange way to tat in my opinion yes, interesting. Think that's the way my adopted Grandma does it, but she taught me the "modern" way SO THERE ARE AS MANY WAYS TO TAT AS THERE ARE TATTERS THERE IS NO ONE RIGHT WAT WAY that is he one georgia ... now he want to come to class AND THEN THE DISCUSSION TURNED 12I use to tat the reigo way.. it was too many manipulation of the hands TO REVERSE ORDER OF HALF STITCHES AND WHY WE DO THEM I think the riego way looks more like the knitting hand movements 12then I learned front side back side and traditional and I have never been the same Personally I don't think it matters how you tat just that you do it!! Must say that I'm not one for having a 'right' or wrong side as I do so many mobiles and suncatchers 12All my tatting is front side tatting http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2007/riego1850pg67.jpg the photo is up now 12thats because I enter a lot of competions and they judge you on that I do it that way if I'm going to sew it down but not if it might be seen from both sides!! 03Jane, do you tat all day when you are not getting the paper for Nick? :-) If it is equally neat, does it matter or are we being purists? economy of motion is esential for tatting i think but how you do it whta ever works is ok Not quite, Susanne!! After 50 years I'm pretty fast at it 03Yes that is very true, Jane well today's judges lean toward front/back side work 12she tats in her sleep I wish we could haha 03lol, at least she must be dreaming of tatting she never sleeps ok everyone seen the photo? 12I bet Katia 2 year old can tat Not on Sunday night - trapped in a hospital til half three without my tatting!! hehe well he is practicing Georgia as a pict 03Oh darn that's a real Emergency! poor you 12i see the photo 12g i think you lost control here...lol I see the photo and I see it me,too what do you notice different? 12she is using a needle....lol ah ha but she is using the needle as if it were a shuttle! yes 12aha mhm anyhting else? 12she got chocolate on her rings....lol she is placing the needle/shuttle so that 03lol it enters the ring at the bottom and goes over or under? 12why is that g over, I think but on the bottom of the ring, does that mean it is what we usually do as under? I'm confused. well why I don't know but that is the technique I called this the phillipine missionary position when i firstr learned it kate it is confusing! but look at the bottom photo the ring Are we still talking about tatting? 03lol 12lol and compare it to the ring naughty naught zena 12yes Susanne the Riego way...lol compare to the ring in blue a the thread hangs loose on the front side compare to ring b in pink and the "norml" full ds will a bar across the top is seen so these riego direction begin 2hs then 1 hs\ and what difference does it make? 03What is hs ? half stitch ah, true 03Oh thank you Katia look at the 2 yellow flowers by jan 12I see that... 12they look the same to me hmmmm not really but you have to look very carefully 12but i know about using the 2hs/1st hs on either side of the picot I can tell it has produced right/wrong sides 12right by using the 2nd half 1st it shows the wrong side yes true! front side up 12but doing the 2hs 1st makes the picot and stitches look like the backside ok look at the diagrams http://www.frywolitka.slupsk.pl/index_en.php?id=_jans_method when we work 1hs 2hs order our picots fall between 2 full ds there is abar across the legs that's standard, isn't it? of both sides of the picots for me zena it is standard IF WE CHANGE OUR METHOD 03for me too But it seems that Jan uses both traditional ds and half stitches in same ring 2HS 1HS PICOT 2HS 1HS THEN THERE ARE NO BARS ON THE PICOTS TRADITIONALY WE HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT AS THE BACK SIDE LOOK 03and the picot is still nothing but just a space ? AND YES I SEE THAT HE COMBINES BOTH WAYS it becomes a space within the double stitch rather than a space between stitches NUTTIN' BUT AIR YEP! 12right and isn't that the back side TO ME IT IS MARY did you notice that he does the joining picots traditinally? 03It is so confusing he changes it all the time SO WHY SHOULD WE EVEN WORRY ABOUT THIS? 12i set his flowwers as background on my desk top for a clearer view YES ELIZ I MENTIONED IT TO HIM ONCE BUT HE PREPARES THE UP JOIN is this spontentaiety or disorder? HMMMM THE OLDER RIEGO PATTERNS 12like he flip flops ARE WRITTEN ASSUMING THAT That answers my next question--which join to use WE DO THE 2HS 1HS ORDER DOWN JOIN CREATES THE FRONT SIDE LOOK IF YOU ARE WORKING 1HS 2 HS ORDER Publicdomain http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/publicindex.html 12in competion if when using a join you are suppose to use a down join for front side and up join for backside F YOU LOOK AT THE EARLIEST WORKS BY RIEGO YOU CAN SEE 03How do we know what method to use when we see a pattern ? AND THEN SOMETIME ALONG THE LINE A SHIFT HAPPENED SUSANNE LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM RING ON THE RIEGO PHOTO OR RING A IN BLUE 12it depends what type of tatting you are doing susanne SEE THE START THE THREAD HANGS DOWN? NO BAR? = 2HS 1HS 03yes 12are you doing traditional tatting or front side/back side tatting right G 03Will it be wrong just to do the usual 1hs and 2hs 12I tat like all pieces will be in competion IT IS N EVER WRONG BUT IF YOU ARE WORKING AN ANTIQUE PATTERN AND THINGS LOOK OFF 12what is never wrong g 03I have tried to change it but I can not after 12 years in the traditional way THEN CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THE DIRECTIONS MAY ASSUM THE OLDER 2HS 1 HS ORDER IT IS NEVER WRONG TO TAT 1 HS 2 HS ORDER THAT IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED NORMAL THESE DAYS 03Yes G I will try and remember that, thanks 12I have a hard time doing traditional tatting BUT ISN'T IT FUNNY? 175 YEARS PERHAPS FO TATTING 12whats funny g AND WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT IS DONE? 03yes, lol 12you got that right g yes, lol RIEGO HAS MORE THAN TATTING BOOKS BTW RiegoGreekRomanLacebk http://books.google.com/books 03That is because we are nuts about tatting, lol 12lol we would assume everyone does it like "i" do if we didn't have such great resources 12or just plain nuts...LOL Zantedeschia chmanged their name from Calla lilies seventy years ago but people still call them Calla. It's the same with us THE PALMETTOS TATTERS GUILD HAS MADE A VIDEO ABOUT ALL THE WAY THERE ARE TO TAT MARY IS THAT OUR YET? 12yes 12the finger is in there too OH NO!!! IS THERE A LINK TOTHE PAGE? i WAS AMAZED WHEN I SAW THIS VIDEO 12you are the one that made the video g AT ALL THE HAND POSITIONS 12yeah I do the finger thing...lol I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY HAD A PAGE TELL IN GHOW TO ORDER IT POSTED BY NOW OK ONE MORE POINT ABOUT CHANGING THE HALF STITCH ORDER SPLIT RING/CHAIN 03oooohhhh IN THAT CASE WE TAT OUR DS IN REVERSE HALF STITCH ORDER 2HS 1 HS TO MAKE THE FRONT SIDE LOOK ALSO For that I do 2nd hald, first half to make it match IF TATTIGN CHAINS WITHOUT A RW WE ALSO USE 2HS 1 HS ORDER