Session Start: Mon Oct 30 13:56:41 2006 *** Now talking in #tatchat *** Disconnected Session Close: Mon Oct 30 14:24:15 2006 Session Start: Mon Oct 30 19:23:53 2006 *** Now talking in #tatchat hello all hi georgia hi allo evryone! hi girls not all girls tonight Did the bad weather chase everyone away? sorry! hello Hey! tatcat14...who are you? hola hi everyone!! the time chang always messes up things! ,e estaba quedando dormida esperando Allo Mabel! Eva *** Tatter is now known as Sandriver in the usa hello alphaprimavera alphaprimavera=Paule an new article on Dale Pomeroy http://www.sltrib.com/features/ci_4572466 have a new man in the house. born on the 28th *** YMabel has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter594 has joined #tatchat *** Tatter594 has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter436 has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as Jon how is that? tatcat14? *** Tatter436 is now known as YMabel Tatcat14 doyou mean a new baby? just got out of the hospital today with my new son Fred congrats Huurah for Fred! claduai podrias pedirle que repita la direccion plis que al caerme la perdí Thanks congratulations!!!!!!!!!!:) Congratulations to the new Mum *** Tatter has joined #tatchat It is not easy Mabel! LOL And I managed to spread the tatting "germs" to the nurses too georgia, can you repeat the link again? no es tan facil dijo, yorka *** Tatter is now known as essm Good Tatcat! We must preach everywhere we happen to be! *** Tatter has joined #tatchat Yup hello Allo Martha! Glad you are here! *** Tatter is now known as Cheryl2u Hello Paule, AK and others hope YOU ARE BOTH WELL AND HEALTHY http://www.domesticarts.com/LaceClass/irisclass.html dALE'S WORK DALES' ARTICLE yup clean bill of health brb there is something about lace socks in a gardening e-mail strange have to look lace socks? 25blog http://25motifchallenge.blogspot.com/ HAS EVERYONE BEEN VIEWING THE 25 MOTIF CHALLENGE LOGS GREAT STUFF BEING TATTED IN THERE *** Tatter has joined #tatchat NO! YUP knitted lace socks knitted lace socks! de que son estas direcciones? the 25 motif challenge is great. Sharon is doing such a good job organising PRETTY FANCY SOCKS where do you wear them? *** Tatter148 has joined #tatchat LACEMAKER'S BALL Where do you see the 25 motif challenge? i would not my 'piddies' get cold easy *** Tatter148 is now known as sherong *** Tatter122 has joined #tatchat Hi all Hello Sheron hey! Sherong! http://25motifchallenge.blogspot.com/ *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** tatcat14 has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter is now known as Kate *** Tatter has joined #tatchat *** Tatter is now known as tatcat14 Looks like a stormy night! Wasn't sure I would get here - had to reformat the puter (laptop) i dont understand how it works, this 25 motif challenge me neither! You tat 25 different motifs i a year YOU CREATE 25 DIFFERENT TATTED PIECES DURING ONE YEAR YOU CAN POST YOUR PHOTOS INA BLOG either someone elses or your own design OR SEND TO SHARON TO POST 2006? don't have to design your own if you don't want to A year from when you start i can use other patter, mentioning the source not 2006, year from when it started yes cam use this lesson's motif as one can I used last week's lesson as one of mine. i have to modified it or can be the same? 13has anybody done it yet? tatted 25 ? THE LINK TO A PUBLIC DOMAIN DOCUMENT WAS FIXED TODAY Sharon Briggs started it. She will answer questions. ok Think Ruth (celtic) did. thanks Some people are choosing a favorite book , like Patti Duff Mini-Tats and working their way through it ill ask her *** Cheryl2u has quit IRC (Ping timeout) http://www.georgiaseitz.com/public/publicindex.html THE NEUE SCHIFFCHENSPITZE PDF RUTH NOT ONLY DID 25 MOTIFS SHE HAS ADDED TO THEM AND PUBLISHED A BOOK LAST WEEK I sent a bunch of books to Judith of Anique Pattern Library and she is working on the THE DETAILS ON HER BLOG OK LET'S GET STARTED *** Tatter has joined #tatchat PLEASE SIGN IN Ruth made a georgeous celtic alphabet So we will have books both places. *** Tatter is now known as Cheryl2u GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS USA AKTATTER@AOL.COM claudia meza. bs as. argentina , cloelo@gmail.com Cheryl Birch Springfield, ORegon usa birch2u@efn.org 13Paule Primeau Boucherville Quebec Canada alpha.prime@vl.videotron.ca Sheron Goldin, serong@yahoo.com, columbia, sc, usa Kate Huttar, Visiting SC now, kate # huttar.net 05Jon from Malaysia wanfaizonyusoff#yahoo.com.my Martha Ess, Greensboro NC essm#bellsouth.net i GOT 13 BOOKS FROM SUE CALLAHAN TO POS ALSO Eva Shock Barclay Maryland Kate: where in SC now? OCT. 30, 2006 Greenville home with Mom and Dad :) OUR LESSON TONIGHT Ess Wheel http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/esswheelbkmrk.html IS SHARED WITH US BY OUR OWN MARTHA ESS Carmen, Peru, carlat476@gmail.com (((APPLAUSE)))) Palmetto's has a group in Greenwoo, and Marie Smith is in Anderon, not that far away MARTHA DID A GREAT JOB ON THE PHOTOS AND EXLPANATIONS greenwood i saw them, great yay martha! check the web site Clapping I know, but no meetings while I'm here. :( MARTH WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK US THRU THIS? *** Mimi has joined #tatchat WELCOME MIMI! Sorry to interrupt The idea of moving from wheel to wheel is actually an idea Georgia presented t the class a while back :) 13hi mimi, 13no classes on thursday? Contct Sharren Morgan in Greenwood, she may be able to set something up there Hello Mimi 05She gave me permission to expand it out as a lesson for the Palmetto convention Technical difficulties last Thursday night - did Anita's message not go ou? i HAVE NOT SEEN A MESSAGE FROM ANITA AT ALL 05And the Plmetto folks were kind to let us use the lession handout from their pattern disc, so it has come full circle Neither she nor I has been able to get a message out to the tatlist then. But we have sent them 13i didnt receive anything HAVE HER SEND IT TO ron@internetescape.com OR TO ME I'll forward it right now THERE HAS BEEN GLITCHES RECENTLY ALL OF WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS ONE MARTHA PLEASE REMEMBER THAT IF YOU DO NOT GET THE TATLIST NOTES YOU MAY HAVE NOT YOUR EMAIL BOUNCE 3 TIMES AND YOU ARE DROPPED JUST EMAIL ME YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TOTHE WEBSITE TO CHECK AND SEE WHAT THE LESSONS FOR THE WEEK ARE OK MARTHA 06To begin, the wheel is a very old motif made with a ring in the center and then a round of rings around it in a zig zag fashion 13Caps are easier on us Martha Martha - caps please that explains why I have not gotten the lesson in my mail either THANKS SHERON 06Early tatters cut the thread after the center ring and again at the end of each wheel,BUT WE DONT WANT TO DO THAT NO WE DON'T WE HATE ENDS 06WE GET AROUND THAT BY USING 2 SHUTTLES INSTEAD OF 1 AND USING SOME NEW TECHNIQUES OUR GREATGRANDMOTHERS DIDNT HAVE AND GRANDFATHERS (PC) 06RIGHT 06SO, BEGIN WITH THE CENTER RING AND CLIMB OUT WITH A SPLIT RING http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/ctrmpspr.jpg YOUR SPLIT RING DEAD SPIDER ILLUSTRATIONS ARE GREAT mARTHA *** Cheryl2u has quit IRC (Ping timeout) 06DOES ANYONE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO MAKE A SPLIT RING? IS EVERYONE FAMILAR WITH THE DEAD SPIDER HAND HOLD NOW? *** Tatter has joined #tatchat WB OK IF YOU NEED REVIEW *** Tatter is now known as Cheryl2u VISIT AFTER CLASS Splitrings2 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/splitring.html Splitring http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5082/TatOnline/spring_instruction I keep getting timed out TYPE K EVERY FEW MINUTES 06AFTER THE SPLIT RING USE ONE SHUTTLE TO MAKE THE RINGS IN A CIRCLE AROUND THE CENTER thank you THIS IS THE DIAGRAM ON THE LEFT, THE STARTER WHEEL WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THOSE WHICH FOLLOW 06WHEN YOU GET AROUND TO THE LAST LARGE OUTER RING, MAKE IT A SPLIT RING 13Martha if I understand right: everything in red on the diagram is made with 13same shuttle? 06DIAGRAM ON PAGE 4 06YES, THE RED AND BLUE SHOW WHICH SHUTTLE YOU ARE USING. WATCH DIRECTIONS CAREFULLY FOR INSTRUCTIONS WHEN TO SWITCH SHUTTLES 06AFTER THE SPLIT RING FOR THE LAST RING OF THE FIRST WHEEL, THEN ANOTHER SPLIT RING TO BEGIN THE SECOND WHEEL MOTIF K *** Cheryl2u has quit IRC (Ping timeout) 06NOW THE PROBLEM IS , YOU ARE ARE ON THE RIM OF THE WHEEL AND NEED TO GET TO THE CENTER 05This is where I got stuck when i did it last night 06THE ANSWER IS THE SINGLE-SHUTTLE-SPLIT-RING 122 TO CHANGE YOUR NAME TYPE /NICK YOURNAME 06FOR THE SSSR, START A RING LIKE USUAL AND MAKE HALF THE STITCHES FOR REVIEW ON THE SSSR SSSR www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/sssr/rietsssr.html sssrphoto1 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/sssr1.jpg sssrphoto2 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/sssr2.jpg AND SAVE MARTHA'S PHOTOS THEY ARE VERY DETAILED 06THEN CLOSE THE RING ABOUT THREE FOURTHS OF THE WAY LIKE A LETTER C K 13Marthe you make the SSDSR *** Tatter has joined #tatchat 06THIS LOOKS TOO SMALL AT FIRST, BUT IT WILL STRETCH 13SSSR right after the big split ring? THAT IS A GOOD POINT *** Tatter122 has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) EVERYTIME YOU MAKE THE SSSR OR THE SPLIT CHAIN *** Tatter is now known as Cheryl2u 06YES PAULE LEAVE LESS BARE THREAD THAN YOU THINK IS NECESSARY BECUASE IT WILL ALWAYS STRETCH YOU CAN ADD ON ANOTHER DS IF NEEDED BUT YOU CAN'T GET RID OF THE EXTRA BARE THREAD 06BEGIN THE SINGLE SHUTTLE SPLIT RING AND CLOSE IT PART WAY AND THEN MAKE THE RING IN THE CENTER OF THE WHEEL *** Tatter has joined #tatchat more than you realize *** YMabel has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 06THIS IS SORT OF LIKE THROWING OFF A RING FROM A CHAIN, EXCEPT THIS TIME YOU ARE THROWING IT OFF FROM THE SSSR IF YOU ARE BEING TIMED OUT JUST TYPE K FREQUENTLY TO KEEP YOUR SEAT ACTIVE k 06THEN YOU FILL IN THE STITCHES FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE SSSR 06YOU HAVE TO WRAP STITCHES AROUND THAT LITTLE BIT OF BARE THREAD SAME WAY AS MAKING SPLIT CHAIN STITCHES *** Tatter has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) 13wheh! http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/gssplitchain.html exactly! :) k FOR REVIEW Encap http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/encap/encap.html *** Tatter has joined #tatchat K SO THAT BRINGS US BACK TO WHERE THE TWO SHUTTLES GO IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS? 06IN THE BEGINNING, MY SSSR'S WOULD LOOK FLOPPY TILL I LEARNED TO CLOSE THE RING MOST OF THE WAY 06YES, AK OK 06AFTER THE SSSR, WITH THAT SAME SHUTTLE MAKE THE OUTER AND INNER RINGS THREE TIMES k 06THEN GO BACK TO THE OTHER (BLUE) SHUTTLE AND WORK AROUND IN THE OTHER DIRECTION 13At first sight: this is a simple motif! But it is full of pitfalls! 13And learning! IT TAKES PLANNING BUTONCE YOU HAVE THE PATH MARKEDE OUT LIKE MARTHA DID FOR US YOU CAN GO ON AND ON AND MAKE LARGE PIECES 06THINK OF THEM AS TOOLS, NOT PITFALLS CAN YOU IMAGINE AN ENTIRE DOILY OR TABLECLOTH IN WHEELS? k 13yes! believe it or not, I have seen a tablecloth of only wheels AND JUST THINK OR ALL THE ENDS YOU ARE AVOIDING didn't make it only admired it :) OH MY I BET THAT WAS SUPER that tatter could have used this advice - ends did spoil the effect up close, but sure was nice from a distance on her nice dark table! 13Martha what about the 3rd wheel? 06I DID A HANDKERCHIEF WITH 40 WHEELS AND HAD TO WORK IN ALL THE ENDS BEFORE I LEARNED THIS OH GADS *** sherong has quit IRC (Quit: Tatters 4 forever!) *** Tatter074 has joined #tatchat k *** Tatter074 is now known as sherong WB 13Never could work in end: always spoiled tje work!\ SO MARTHA YOU MADE MENTION OF THE FRONT AND BACK SIDE OF THE WORK 06WHEN YOU GET AROUND TO THE LAST OUTER RING, MAKE IT A SPLIT RING 13and then? 06THEN KEEP REPEATING THIS WHEEL AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT AND IF THIS WAS THE LAST WHEEL THEN IT IS JUST A REGULAR RING AND AT LAST YOU HAVE TO HIDE TH ENDS 13repeat 2nd wheel? You can turn a corner by adjusting how much of the outer ring is done with each shuttle 06RIGHT, ON THE LAST RING WHEN YOUR PIECE IS LONG ENOUGH, YOU DONT NEED TO END WITH A SPLIT RING SINCE NO MORE CLIMBING OUT k OH EXCELLENT TIP SHERON SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A BIG PIECE 13Sherong: opening new vistas to me! COPY SEVERAL OF THESE WHEELS AND LAY THEM OUT start from center, work 4-5 rings, next two turn to reverse direction, THEN YOU CAN TRACE THE PATH SIDE TO SIDE AND ROW TO ROW join side to first strip 06SHERON IS RIGHT, BY ALTERING WHICH POSITION YOU CLIMB OUT OF, YOU CAN TURN CORNERSLIKE A SQUARE AND WORK YOUR WAY OUT WITHOUT CUTTING 06OR MAKE A CURVE FOR A COLLAR and continue spiraling out THAT IS SUPER 13super ideas! when tried it out, the wheel cupped, any tips to avoid that? 06PAULE, YES JUST KEEP REPEATING THE SECOND WHEEL TILL YOUR BOOKMARK IS AS LONG AS YOU WANT IT k *** Tatter846 has joined #tatchat leave longer bare thread spaces on the outer side 13ahah! 13how much longer? trial & error 06TO AVOID CUPPING, TRY MAKING SHORTER BARE SPACES AND LONGER PICOTS. YOU CAN STRETCH THE RINGS OF THE OUTER RINGS SIDEWAYS A LITTLE TOO and make the outer rings joining picots a little longer had it backwards thrn mimi your note just went out to tatlist 06IT WILL CUP IF THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE OUTER CIRCLE OF RINGS IS NOT BIG ENOUGH NOW MARTHA WHAT ABOUT THAT FRONT AND BACK ASPECT TO THE WORK YOU MENTIONED? 13sorry, what do you mean with cupping? LIKE MAKING A BOWL CLAUDIA 13ok 13get it *** tatcat14 has quit IRC (Ping timeout) *** Cheryl2u has quit IRC (Ping timeout) 06THAT IS TRIAL AND ERROR WITH WHEELS SOMETIMES TO GET THE PROPORTIONS RIGHT. IF WORKING FROM A PATTERN, LOOK REAL CLOSE AT THE PICTURE FOR INSPIRATION ON SPACING THE THREAD *** Tatter009 has joined #tatchat YOU SEE HOW MARTHA GOT THE HAT PATTERN NOW :) *** Tatter009 is now known as tatcat14 06OK, THE FRONT AND BACK APPEARANCE WELCOME 009 IR 007 WITHYOU? LOL K 13That got me stumped at the beginning TO REVIEW THE ENGLISH VS FRENCH STITCH 06THE CROSSBAR OF THE STITCHES AT A PICOT GIVE A DIFFERENT APPEARANCE ON FRON AND BACK OR THE FIRST HALF STITCH VS THE SECOND HALF STITCH Hi everyone I am so sorry for anyone who showed up for class last night!. Mimi couldnt get into the class room for some reason, and I totally forgot about class as I was dealing with my oldest who just had her best friend passed away. It has been a hectic few days here as a result. Under the circumstances we will have to decide next thursday exactly where we will start in lesson one (we can add an additoinal week on to the session if we have to in order to cover everything). In the meantime if anyone has any problems I can normally be found on MSN messenger with the email anital76@hotmail.com Please feel free to add my email to your messenger and contact me (just make sure your message says who you are so I dont think it is spam). Hope everyone is having a calmer week than I am at this point! Anita OOOPS WRONG SCRIPT SORRY http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/jk/jk.html 06YOU KNOW HOW THE PICOTS APPEAR DIFFERENTLY WHEN YOU WORK RINGS AND CHAINS WITH A REVERSE WORK INBETWEEN THE LEGS OF THE PICOT HAVE BARS OR CAPS ACROSS THEM ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE WORK Thanks for posting that Georgia - I would ahve asked for permission after class to explain why any beginners present were disappointed by no teachers. THERE ARE NO BARS ACROSS THE LEGS OFTHEPICOTS ON THE BACK SIDE OF THEWORK :) 06THANKS AK, GOOD EXPLANATION SO YOU RECOMMEND A CHANGE IN THE WORK ORDER? 06WHEN YOU WORK THE SECOND WHEEL MOTIF WHEN YOU WORK PART WITH THE RED SHUTTLE AND PART WITH THE BLUE SHUTTLE, 13I did reverse work after the firt 06THEN ONE SHUTTLE'S PICOTS WILL APPEAR TO BE BACK SIDED AND THE OTHER FRONT SIDED 13st ring but then a made the split ring with thw wrong shuttle 06DID THAT MAKE SENSE? 13yes YES AND THE WAY TO PREVENT THAT BACK ANDFRONT SIDE APPEARING ON ONE WHEEL IS TO DO WHAT? 06SOME PEOPLE DONT MIND THAT THEIR PICOTS AREN'T ALL THE SAME, AND IN SOME THREADS IT DOESN'T SHOW UP MUCH one side betweenn ds's, other in the middle of ds YES THE DIFFERENCE CAN BE VERY VISIBLE BUT WE KNOW A WAY TO FIX THAT 06BUT IF YOU DO WANT ALL YOUR PICOTS TO LOOK THE SAME, THEN FOR THE RED SHUTTLE RINGS WORK THE 2ND HALF OF THE DS FIRST AND THE FIRST HALF SECOND EXACTLY! AND WHAT ABOUT THE JOINS ON THOSE OUTER RINGS? WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE THERE ALSO TO CREATE THE ALL FRONT SIDE UP LOOK 06IN A RING AND CHAIN PATTERN YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH THE CHAINS. BEFORE LONG IT COMES NATURALLY TO SWITCH ORDER OF STITCH HALVES FOR REVIEW LOOK HERE: UP/DOWNjoins http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html WHEN YOU HAVE THE FRONT SIDE OF THE WORK BEFORE YOU, THEN USE THE DOWN JOIN WHEN YOU HAVE THE BACK SIDE OFTHE WORK BEFORE YOU, THEN USE THE UP JOIN OR IOW FRONT DOWN BACK UP *** sherong has quit IRC (Ping timeout) MARTHA THIS HAS BEEN GREAT *** Tatter804 has joined #tatchat BEFORE WE END TONIGHT 06FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE FRONT SIDE BACK SIDE PICOTS, I WORKED EXAMPLES BOTH WAYS AND AK POSTED THE PICTURES ON THE LESSON FRONT PAGE DO YOU HAVE ANY HINTS ABOUT THE HAT PATTERN? YES ONTHE FIRST PAGE THERE TWO SAMPLES ARE ON OPPOSITE SIDES 06THE HAT IS A 2 ROUND WHEEL. AFTER A ROUND SIMILAR TO THE BOOKMARK WHEEL, THERE IS ANOTHER ROUND OF ZIG ZAG RINGS 06IN THE SECOND ROUND, THE INNER RINGS JOIN TO EACH OTHER AND TO THE OUTER RINGS OF THE FIRST ROUND OK AND ALL THOSE PICOTS ONTHE OUTERMOST RINGS DID YOU USE A PICOT GAUGE? 06THERE ARE TWO RINGS JOINED TO EACH RING OF ROUND 1, WITH A PICOT BETWEEN THE JOINS 13Come now Martha tell the truth 06HONESTLY, I DOUBT I USED A PICOT GUAGE ON THIS PIECE 06I USE A GAUGE SOMETIMES, DEPENDS ON THE PIECE I'M MAKING 13Been tatting so long you have a gauge in you eye! :) WELL FOR REGULARITY INPICOT GAUGES IT IS GOOD TO USE A PICOT GAUGE THERE ARE 2 WAYS TO HOLD THE GAUGE SEE HERE FOR PHOTOS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/shamrock.html MARTHA THIS HAS BEEN A LOVELY 06COMES WITH PRACTICE, BUT SOMETIMES I DO NEED THE GAUGE, DEPENDS ON HOW FORMAL I INTEND THE THE PIECE AND PURPOSE TO BE. RE EXPLORATION OF THE WHEEL THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WRITING THIS UP 06YOU'RE WELCOME AND THANKS TO PALMETTOS FOR LETTING US USE THE DISK PATTERN TOO ARE THERE ANY QUESITONS FOR MARTHA? Yes, thank you, Martha. 06I USED A GAUGE FOR MY SKELETON RIBS ON MY BLOG 06:) LINK US MARTHA? 13Martha can I share this lesson with my tatting group The Tatting Dames? ARE THERE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS? 13I would have to translate in french... 13Much learning for us... 13marta can you give your blog link? ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS TONIGHT? 06YES PAULE ooo french who has the rose rodgers translation 13Thank you Martha! DON'T FORGET TO SEND IN YOUR ANGEL WINGS FOR THE 2007 IOLI Thank you, Martha 06http://marthas-tatting-blog.blogspot.com Other than my apology for the miss on last Thursday? Anita and I feel very badly that we were prevented from attending. if the emmenual book 06mailed angel wings today http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/ioli2007angel.html OH SUPER THEY WILL BE SO PLEASED lo bueno es que queda grabado y puedo traducir y seguir la clase luego WELL THESE THINGS HAPPENMIMI I HAVE EVEN BEEN LOCKED OUT OF THE CLASSROOM TODAYS' WIND STORM CUT POWER ALSO 13thank marta for the link 06if id didn't type blog right, just link from the 25motif challenge page 13ok BUT NOW I HAVE THE GIANT BATTERY BACK UP Giant Battery Back Up? Generator? Or Richard turning a crank for all he's worth? LOL NO IT IS LIKE A CAR BATTERY BIG AND HEAVY 04does anyone have SITS BENEATHT HE DESK COMPUTER PLUGS INTO IT