OnTheGo731: MARTHA ESS RINGS ONLY HAT lingram222: hi Jeanne.. OnTheGo731: oCT 29, 2006 OnTheGo731: hI hoW AR YOU OnTheGo731: try again lingram222: good, and how are you this evening? OnTheGo731: HI How are you lingram222: I had to reboot in order to be able to send messages. lingram222: good, thank you. lingram222: is someone having a problem entering the room? OnTheGo731: great hope that does not happen any more for you tonight OnTheGo731: I like when the COmputer and AOL want to be nice OnlineHost: AKTATTER has entered the room. lingram222: this is only the second time that I've been to the AOL chat in over a year...I finally figured it all out. LoL OnTheGo731: I have nto heard from any one trying OnTheGo731: Hi AK lingram222: hi again, Georgia. :o) AKTATTER: I'm back had to reboot couldn't get back into the room lingram222: Riet hasn't returned yet. lingram222: o.k. AKTATTER: what's with aol tonight? did it get scared by a pumpkin lol lingram222: I don't know...it's getting to be witching time, why not. OnTheGo731: well tah message got lost in cyber space lingram222: oh no. OnlineHost: Lady Elhasa has entered the room. OnTheGo731: I started to say I have not had a problem then lost he message lingram222: LoL OnTheGo731: Thought sure I had missed class just got home then realized I hae not changed the clock in my car Lady Elhasa: US also changed time last night? lingram222: I just now remembered too. lingram222: yes, we did. OnTheGo731: yes we changed our time OnTheGo731: bakc one hour OnTheGo731: back AKTATTER: I sent a reminder around just now Lady Elhasa: lol been sitting infront of my pc for the pass hour lingram222: I forgot to save my link last week and Georgia was very kind and sent it to me again. OnTheGo731: I have considered erasing all of my saved links and starting over I have way too many then I realise I would miss something OnlineHost: love2tat13 has entered the room. AKTATTER: well I sent out another invite list AKTATTER: welcome Hope! love2tat13: Hi.. working on the flicker.. OnTheGo731: AK I so not seem to be on our mailing list anymore AKTATTER: did you get the link message for tonight's lesson Jeanne? OnTheGo731: no AKTATTER: ok OnTheGo731: I had it already from checkig it for you but nothing else OnTheGo731: Did Not get the message you siad you just sent out either AKTATTER: just registered you AKTATTER: sent out another tatlist message too lingram222: I got a message stating the pattern we were working on tonight, but not a class link? OnTheGo731: nothing from you toady AK OnlineHost: quiltdebbie2 has entered the room. lingram222: neither did I, unless you didn't sent to me cause I'm here. quiltdebbie2: Hi AKTATTER: myrtle class link not included in the regular messages AKTATTER: hey deb lingram222: o.k. I wasn't sure... AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/esswheelbkmrk.html AKTATTER: ok everyone got the lesson? lingram222: yes, I have that link. OnTheGo731: love the hat lingram222: it's really cute. AKTATTER: Hope how's flickr? OnlineHost: AJtat has entered the room. love2tat13: got it about ready.. want it profed lingram222: I hope you don't think me rude, but I might not be able to stay for the whole class. OnTheGo731: stay as long as you can OnlineHost: cfgtat has entered the room. AKTATTER: hi ya AJ AKTATTER: Carolyn! welcome cfgtat: Hello! cfgtat: We have 2 new tatters in the world!!!! AJtat: Hello. Can't stay long, but wanted to stop by to say hello. lingram222: Congratulations! AKTATTER: you are welcome anytime AKTATTER: 2 wonderful! cfgtat: Shocked the heck out of me when both of my sisters said they wanted to learn. AJtat: I've been working on Martha's wheel today. Decided extra hour in day was to tat. lingram222: that's great! AKTATTER: that is a great surprise AKTATTER: good planning AJ cfgtat: I just got back from Oregon yesterday. One sister lives there and had brain surgery 3 weeks ago. She's finished 2 wreaths and is working on a third one. OnTheGo731: great recovery projects lingram222: that's for sure. quiltdebbie2: wow! AKTATTER: good for stress management during recovery cfgtat: I'm thinking that it might really help her regain some of the peripheral vision she's lost. AJtat: Will Martha be here? quiltdebbie2: I will have to try that! AKTATTER: I don't believe Martha can join us tonight OnTheGo731: I'm not sure about the stress level it calms sometmes LOL OnlineHost: Clunymimi has entered the room. AKTATTER: welcome Mimi quiltdebbie2: My MS is getting bad which is why I have not been on AKTATTER: you join us anytime you can Deb Clunymimi: Hello I'm relieved to be able to connect! AKTATTER: ok we are ready to sign in now Clunymimi: Mimi Dillman, Snohomish, WA ntrop@ix.netcom.com OnTheGo731: Jeanne Zukowski Lake Peekskill, NY cfgtat: Carolyn Groves Frostburg, Md. mdtatter@yahoo.com Lady Elhasa: Katia Vallée Sherbrooke Québec Canada lady_elhasa@hotmail.com AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS USA AKTATTER@AOL.COM AKTATTER: OCT. 20 2006 AJtat: Anna Jean Phillips, Memphis, TN AJtat@aol.com AKTATTER: THE LESSON IS SHARED BY MARTHA ESS quiltdebbie2: Debbie, Glou, NJ love2tat13: Hope Green Miami Fl lingram222: Linda BArnes, Woodbridge, VA AKTATTER: ok Jeanne would you type the lesson link please AKTATTER: aol is being weird tonight AKTATTER: did you hvae trouble getting here too mimi? AKTATTER: lin and i had to reboot even OnTheGo731: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/esswheelbkmrk.html quiltdebbie2: Glad you said that,.. I can't add my email address AKTATTER: thanks everyone for remembering to come to class tonight AKTATTER: after a time change it is alwatys fun to see who set their clocks AKTATTER: and who didn't OnTheGo731: done in the house not in car AKTATTER: anyone have any announcements before we start tonight? lingram222: neither can I add my email addy. AKTATTER: try the #instead of @ lingram222: lingram2 at comcast dot net AKTATTER: but not to worry quiltdebbie2: I am a grandmom! quiltdebbie2: dacollari2#comcast.net AKTATTER: congrats Deb hope both are well lingram222: grandkids are wonderful! congratz! OnTheGo731: congrats Debbie is this the first for you Lady Elhasa: how many angel for the ioli still needed? quiltdebbie2: Yes! Shea Nicholas is beautiful quiltdebbie2: yes he is my first! Lady Elhasa: grats Debbie AKTATTER: MIMI HOWS THE BEGINNERS CLASS ON THURS 9PM ET GOING? Clunymimi: Sorry but we have not had a first class yet Clunymimi: Technical difficulties prevented. quiltdebbie2: Mimi can I get a link for that? AKTATTER: WELL dEB IN ok SAYS THAT NONE OF THE NEW WINGS HAVE REACHED HER YET AJtat: I sent 8 wings and halos to Oklahoma on Thursday AKTATTER: SO THE COUNT IS STILL AT 200 OnTheGo731: I sent mine AKTATTER: BUT I KNOW THAT SEVERAL ARE WORKINGON THEM AKTATTER: HOPE YOU CAN HELP AKTATTER: 8 THAT 'G GREAT OnTheGo731: Shoot I forgot to do the Halo's AKTATTER: http://www.simplyspace.com/tatting Clunymimi: beginner's class http://www.angelfire.com/planet/newtatters/index.html AKTATTER: THANKS MIMI Clunymimi: And Georgia gave the classroom. OnTheGo731: Maybe I can get a few more made and add the extra Halo's AKTATTER: WELL IT IS A GOOD THING THEY STARTED EARLY lingram222: does anyone know Ymabel? AKTATTER: AS THESE THINGS ALWAYS TAKE MORE TIME AND TATTERES THAN YOU THINK AKTATTER: YES SHE IS IN CLASS lingram222: she's in the Java class room? AKTATTER: RIGHT NOW? OnTheGo731: not me lingram222: yes, AKTATTER: YORKA MABEL IS ONE OF THE NEW TATTERS FROM SO AMERICA AKTATTER: ANYONE KNOW SPANISH? quiltdebbie2: uno poco OnTheGo731: not me Lady Elhasa: not me quiltdebbie2: LOL lingram222: same for me, just a little. AKTATTER: DEB COULD YOU TELL HER THAT CLASSROOM IS FOR MONDAY AKTATTER: NOT SUNDAY? quiltdebbie2: Non Lunes would be not Sunday lingram222: she doesn't answer me... quiltdebbie2: DUH! quiltdebbie2: Lunes is Monday love2tat13: night all.. can't stay awake.. blasted time change :-( AKTATTER: NIGHT HOPE Clunymimi: Good night Hope OnTheGo731: sleep well lingram222: good night hope. AKTATTER: OK i WILL TRY BE RIGHT BACK Lady Elhasa: night hope love2tat13: thanks all.. enjoy class for me OnlineHost: love2tat13 has left the room. quiltdebbie2: I could not find her on AIM sorry lingram222: she was in the class room, but wouldn't answer. lingram222: I'd better go too...night all. OnlineHost: lingram222 has left the room. AKTATTER: OK ALL IS WELL NOW AKTATTER: GOOD NESS WE ARE LATE STARTING AKTATTER: SO YOU ALL HAVE THE LESSON HANDY Lady Elhasa: yes AKTATTER: IS THERE ANYONE WHO HAS NOT DONE THE SPLIT quiltdebbie2: yes but I am not good at splits AKTATTER: RING YET? AKTATTER: DEB DID YOU SEE THOSE GREAT DIAGRAMS OF THE DEAD SPIDER AKTATTER: SPLIT RING TECHNIQUE? quiltdebbie2: I have them printed AKTATTER: GOOD quiltdebbie2: Will give them a try AKTATTER: WITHOUT EVEN MOVING THE RING AKTATTER: JUST MOVE THE FINGERS WIDE AND AKTATTER: HOLD THE RING THREAD TAUT AKTATTER: USING THE SECOND SHUTTLE AKTATTER: WRAP THE HALF STITCHES ONTO THE TAUT THREAD AKTATTER: AND GENTLY SLIDE TO THE PINCH AKTATTER: WORK THE HS IN REVERSE ORDER AKTATTER: SECOND HS FIRST AKTATTER: FIRST HS SECOND AKTATTER: TO A MAKE TH ALL RIGHT SIDE UP LOOK AKTATTER: AND THE PHOTO OF THE JOIN AKTATTER: ON THE SPLIT RING WRAPPED SIDE IS VERY GOOD TOO AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? OnTheGo731: nope I am with you AKTATTER: OK MARTHA'S EXPLANATION OF THE SINGLE SHUTTLE SPLIT RING OnTheGo731: until you get to the split ring one shuttle AKTATTER: IS GOOD AND IT CONTAINS A FEW POINTS TO MENTION AKTATTER: THAT SSSR SINGLE SHUTTLE SPLIT RING AKTATTER: IS A HLAF CLOSED RING AKTATTER: WHERE YOU WRAP THE DS ONTO THE OTHER SIDE AKTATTER: BUT BECAUSE THERE IS NO SPACE TO GET THE SHUTTLE THROUGH AKTATTER: YOU HAVE TO DO IT LIKE A SSPLIT CHAIN OnTheGo731: half closed meaning a bit smaller than the finished size of ring AKTATTER: BRINGING THE LOOP TO THE SHUTTLE AND NOT THE SHUTTLE TOTHE LOO[ AKTATTER: JUST A LITTLE SMALLER FOR A GOOD REASON AKTATTER: IN DOING ANY WRAPPING AKTATTER: THE THREAD ALWAYS STRETCHES AKTATTER: YOU CAN FORCE AN EXTRA DS ONTO THE BARE THREAD AKTATTER: BUT YOU CAN'T GET RID OF BARE THREAD NOT WANTED AKTATTER: SO ALWAYS MAKE IT AKTATTER: A LITTEL SMALLER THAN YOU THINK NECESSARY OnTheGo731: good now I understand it is like te split chain witht he size already doen and just encapsulate like the split chain AKTATTER: NOW THERE ARE GOOD STEP BY STEP DIRECTIONS AKTATTER: JUST EXACTLY LIKE THAT JEANNE AKTATTER: FOR THE WHEELS THEMSELVES AKTATTER: BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THE AKTATTER: DIAGRAM OF THE TWO WHEELS AKTATTER: THE FIRS WHEEL WILL ALWYS BE DIFFERENT AKTATTER: BUT THE FOLLOWING WHEELS WILL BE AS THE ONE ON THE RIGHT AKTATTER: NOTE THE CENTER RING OnTheGo731: would there be another SR ont he second ring near the outside SR AKTATTER: AH AKTATTER: THINK ABOUT THAT AGAIN JEANNE AKTATTER: THE SMALL SSSR MARKED ON THE SECOND WHEEL OnTheGo731: I did I see that we are working with two shuttles so no need for the second SR AKTATTER: ITS PURPOSE IS TO BE ABLE TO THROW OFF AKTATTER: THE ROUND CENTER RING AKTATTER: ALL THE OTHER SMALL RINGS JOIN TO IT OnTheGo731: to climb out to the third wheel AKTATTER: ONE SHUTTLE GOING UP AND THE OTHER UNDER AKTATTER: BRING THE TWO TAILS TOGETHER AKTATTER: WHERE THE RED AND BLUE RINGS MEEET OnlineHost: Hanna41 has entered the room. AKTATTER: AND THAT MAKES JUST ONE SPLIT RING AKTATTER: TO CLIMB TO THE NEXT WHEEL OnTheGo731: ok AKTATTER: WELCOME HANNAH Hanna41: hi AKTATTER: NO THE FIRST WHEEL AKTATTER: JUST WANTED TO MENTION AKTATTER: THAT THE ROUND CENTER RING AKTATTER: USES A MOCK PICOT AKTATTER: TO CLIMB OUT INTO THE SPLIT RING AKTATTER: THE MOCK PICOT NEED NOT BE TIED AKTATTER: WHEN IT GOES TO A SPLIT RING AKTATTER: BUT SHOULD BE TIED LOCK STITCHED WHEN AKTATTER: GOING TO A CHAIN OnTheGo731: right AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? AKTATTER: OK AKTATTER: MARTHA GIVE S A NOTE ABOUT THE FRONT AND BACK SIDE LOOK OF THE WORK OnTheGo731: could you make the wheels any larger more rounds using this method AKTATTER: HMM OnTheGo731: sorry just thinking out loud LOL AKTATTER: IT MIGHT THROW THE SYMMETRY OFF ONTHE NEXT WHEEL AKTATTER: HERE YOU HAVE TWO RINGS JOINED TO TWO RINGS AKTATTER: IF YOU ADD ANOTHER ROUND AKTATTER: OF ANY PATTERN AT ALL AKTATTER: YOU LOSE THE CONCEPT OF THE SINGLE SHUTTLE WHEEL AKTATTER: UNLESS YOU MAKE A COMPLETE ROUND OnTheGo731: just thinking of repaeting these two sets of rings maybe AKTATTER: OF OPPOSING RINGS AKTATTER: WEL AS i ALWAYS SAY OnTheGo731: just thinking of repeating these two sets of rings to make it larger and continuing to nest wheel AKTATTER: GIVE IT A TRY AND LET US SEE A PHOTO OF HOW IT TURNS OUT AKTATTER: OK MARTH'A NOTE ABOUT THE AKTATTER: FRONT AND BACK SIDE AKTATTER: SHE NOTES THAT YOU WILL SEE A DIFFERENT IN THE WORK OnTheGo731: I'm blocked again AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE TWO PHOTOS ON THE FRONT PAGE AKTATTER: BY AOL OR MENTALLY CHALLENGED DO YO UMEAN? AKTATTER: THIS DIFFERENCE IN THE WORK IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OnTheGo731: both LOL AKTATTER: LOL Lady Elhasa: lol AKTATTER: WHENEVER YOU ENCOUNTER A SITUATION AKTATTER: LIKE THIS AKTATTER: YOU NEED ONLY REVERSE THE HALF STITCH ORDER TO MAKE IT COME RIGHT AGAIN AKTATTER: IF YOU HAVE TO RW WORK AKTATTER: THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO RETHINK THE IDEA OF WHICH SIDE IS THE FRONT OnTheGo731: can you remind me again about up and down joins front side and back side AKTATTER: IF YOU ARE WORKING ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE PIECE AKTATTER: USE THE DOWN JOIN AKTATTER: IF YOU HAD TO RW AND ARE WORKING ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PIECE AKTATTER: USE THE UP JOIN AKTATTER: OR REMEMBER OnTheGo731: thank you AKTATTER: IF YOU TURN THE FRONT OF THE LACE DOWN THEN THE BACK IS ALWAYS UP AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: WHAT ABOUT THE HAT PATTERN? AKTATTER: ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT? OnTheGo731: right quiltdebbie2: I will give it a shot AKTATTER: OK AKTATTER: JUST REMEMBER THAT THE CENTER RING SHOWS YOU WHICH SIDE IS THE FRONT AKTATTER: SO YOU CAN REVERSE THE HALF STITCH ORDER ON THE RINGS AS YOU RW OnTheGo731: rw with each ring why would you just turn to bottom AKTATTER: TURN TO BOTTOM?? OnlineHost: cfgtat has left the room. AKTATTER: OK JEANNE, TURN TO BOTTOM HAS ME STUMPED OnTheGo731: know I am not using the right term but the right side would face you all the time rather than rw AKTATTER: NOPE AKTATTER: CENTER RING FRONT SIDE AKTATTER: SPLIT RING TO CLIMB OUT FRONT SIDE AKTATTER: RW OnTheGo731: ok AKTATTER: NEXT RING IS BACK SIDE UP AKTATTER: UNLESS AKTATTER: YOU REVERSE THE HALF STITCH ORDER AKTATTER: JUST CHECK THE LEGS OF THE PICOTS AKTATTER: THE BARS ON THE PICOT LEGS SHOW THE FRONT SIDE AKTATTER: NOW THE JOINS OF THE RINGS TO EACH OTHER AKTATTER: YOU WILL WANT THEM TO BE FAIRLY TIGHT NOT LOOSE AKTATTER: TIGHT FORCES A NATURAL CURVE INTO THE WORK AKTATTER: AND SINCE THESE ARE "ROUND" AKTATTER: IT IS DESIRABLE AKTATTER: OK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?? OnTheGo731: so tiny picots AKTATTER: RIGHT TINY OnTheGo731: Love this hat AKTATTER: BUT ADJUST SIZE FOR THE LARGER RINGS AKTATTER: IT IS SO CUTE OnTheGo731: ok AKTATTER: OK THAT IS ALL ON THE PATTERN OnTheGo731: some one else can jump in here and ask questions too AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO MARTHA FOR THIS GREAT PATTERN AND SUPER PHOTOS AND DIAGRAMS quiltdebbie2: the hat is cute AKTATTER: ARE THERE ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS TONGIHT? Lady Elhasa: how would you had picot in the encapsulation part of the sssr? AKTATTER: THIS LESSON REPEATS AKTATTER: MON 3 PM AND 8:30PM et AKTATTER: USE PICOT GAUGE AKTATTER: TO DRAW THE THREAD UP AGAINST AJtat: Also it was nice having instructions for when a shuttle runs empty as happened to me. AKTATTER: YES THAT CAN BE SO INCONVENIENT! OnTheGo731: I liked that too AJ OnTheGo731: beats the knot I usually make AKTATTER: USING THE PICOT GAUGE WITH THE DEAD SPIDER IS HARD AKTATTER: BUT IN THE ENCAP PROCESS IT WORKS FINE AKTATTER: OK ANY TOTHER QUESTIONS?? Clunymimi: Georgia, did you get my scans - sent to "rr" address? AKTATTER: i HAVEN'T BEEN THERE YET AKTATTER: WILL GO AFTER CLASS quiltdebbie2: thanks AKTATTER: WILL EMAIL YOU TO LET YOU KNOW AJtat: Thanks for the lesson and will see you later. AKTATTER: OK ALL MANY THANKS FOR COMING OnlineHost: AJtat has left the room. quiltdebbie2: hopefully will be back next week OnlineHost: quiltdebbie2 has left the room. AKTATTER: LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS AKTATTER: ANY TIME DEB TAKE CARE Clunymimi: thanks OnTheGo731: Thanks AK another great lesson AKTATTER: GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL Clunymimi: And thanks to Martha Ess too AKTATTER: GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY TATTING! Lady Elhasa: thanks for the lesson well done Georgia OnlineHost: AKTATTER has left the room. OnlineHost: Clunymimi has left the room. Lady Elhasa: night OnlineHost: Lady Elhasa has left the room.