MRust79224: I just tried that roll tatting and it was harder than I thought it would be. MRust79224: I kept getting a knot when I did the ds. AKTATTER: I suspect poor sue doesn ont have an aol screen name? cfgtat: she might not. MRust79224: 24/7 would be too much for even me.LOL MRust79224: Can't she get in here anyway? AKTATTER: I don't think so cfgtat: no, you have to have Instant Message or AOL to use this room. AKTATTER: ok let's get signed in please MRust79224: Mary Rust, MRust79224@aol.com, Portland, Oregon AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA cfgtat: Carolyn Groves, Frostburg, Md. mdtatter@yahoo.com Dntats4u: Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN AKTATTER: THANKS FOR STOPPING BY TONIGHT AKTATTER: I THOUGHT WITH THE OSCARS ON AKTATTER: I WOULD BE LONELY HERE :) AKTATTER: WE HAVE AN INTERESTING SUBJECT AKTATTER: TOUCHED ON LIGHTLY LAST WEEK BFRuss: Anita Russell Oklahoma baruss402@yahoo.com AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/rolltathow2.pdf AKTATTER: i HOPE YOU ALL SAW THE TATLIST NOTE WITH THE EXTRA INFO ABOUT THE AKTATTER: ROLL TATTING KNOWN TO US AKTATTER: IT IS IN SEVERAL RECENT BOOKS AKTATTER: AND TEH JONES BOOK AKTATTER: BUT I COULD NOT USE THOSE FOR CLASS AKTATTER: WE ALSO FOUNF IT IN HOMENEEDLEWORK 1916 1915 AKTATTER: AND IN MARY E FITCH #6 tATTING AKTATTER: THOSE LAST THREE PHOTOS I POSTED THIS AFTERNOON AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/fitch1916pg16.jpg AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/fitch1918pg 5.jpg AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/fitch1916pg6.jpg AKTATTER: you'll need to correct that second link AKTATTER: now who was it said this was hard?? AKTATTER: i think YOU ARE RIGHT! MRust79224: Me AKTATTER: THE ROLLS UNROLL CONSTANTLY AKTATTER: AND THE REGULAR DS AKTATTER: DANCE ABOUT THE FOUNDAION CORE WITH GLEE MRust79224: I finally got one ring made on that first Mary Fitch edging..after starting over several times. cfgtat: does it help to keep the roll in the finger pinch? AKTATTER: YOU HAVE TO AKTATTER: AS SOON AS YOU LET UP TENSION MRust79224: I tired to hold onto it. AKTATTER: IT STARTS TO UNROLL AKTATTER: OK LET'S LOOK AT THE BASIC DIRECTIONS AKTATTER: A ROLL TATTED RING OR CHAIN AKTATTER: MUST BEGIN AND END WITH A REGULAR DS AKTATTER: A PICOT ON SUCH A ROLL TATTED RING OR CHAIN AKTATTER: MUST BE MADE BETWEEN TWO REGULAR DS AKTATTER: SO COMMENCR RING AKTATTER: 1 DS AKTATTER: THEN TAKE THE SHUTTLE TO THE BACK OF THE WORKING THREAD AKTATTER: THE THREAD WHICH IS OVER THELEFT HAND FOR RIGHT HANDED TATTERS AKTATTER: THAT MEANS GO UNDER THAT THREAD AND UP AND OVER AKTATTER: BRING THE SHUTTLE STRAIGHT TO THE RIGHT AKTATTER: THIS FORCES THE RING THREAD MRust79224: I think I went under from the front. AKTATTER: TO CURL AROUND THE SHUTTLE THREAD AKTATTER: THE DIRECTIONS ALL READ GO TO THE BACK OF THE RING THREAD AKTATTER: BUT THAT MEANS ACTUALLY GOING UNDER AKTATTER: SO FROM THE FRONT UNDER THE THREAD UP THROUGH AKTATTER: SPACE BETWEEN YOUR FOREFINGER AND MIDDLE FINGER AKTATTER: OVER THE THREAD TO THE RIGHT AKTATTER: NO HALF STITCH IS FORMED AKTATTER: REPEAT BRINGING THE SHUTTLE UNDER THE RING HREAD AKTATTER: AND TO THE RIGHT FOR THE NUMBER OF ROLLS STATED AKTATTER: IF YOU ARE DOING PICOTS AKTATTER: FIRMLY HOLD THE LAST ROLL AND COMPRESS AKTATTER: TO THE STARTING POINT AKTATTER: EVEN TWIST IT SLIGHTLY TO AKTATTER: GE T RID OF THE SLACK AKTATTER: THEN MAKE THE DS AKTATTER: PICOT AKTATTER: DS AKTATTER: AND RETURN TOT HE ROLLING AKTATTER: FINSIH THE RING WITH A REGULAR DS AKTATTER: THEN TRY TO CLOSE THE AKTATTER: DARN RING WITHOUT THE DS FLIPPING AKTATTER: OR THE ROLLS UNROLLING AKTATTER: WHEW AKTATTER: IS THAT A LOT OFWORK OR WHAT? MRust79224: Yes!! BFRuss: I am dizzy !1 cfgtat: yes, and I'm not sure I really like the way it looks! MRust79224: me, either AKTATTER: WEL LI AM WITH YOU ON THAT MRust79224: I thought it would be much prettier than it really looks. cfgtat: ok, so then tell me again why we are doing this????!! AKTATTER: WELL IT IS A TECHINQUE FOUND IN OLD PATTERNS AKTATTER: AND WE STUDY EVERYTHING Dntats4u: I think it looks rather plain MRust79224: So I don't think I'll be making anything very big using this technique. cfgtat: I guess some of the early tatters got bored doing just rings and chains so started experimenting. MRust79224: I am glad we studied it, though. AKTATTER: aol://2719:10-4-Myrtle2004 AKTATTER: IF YO ULOOK AT THOSE 2 SAMPLES ON THE HANKIES cfgtat: true, I love studying the old techniques. MRust79224: I think this type of thing would be great using a no.3 thread. LOL AKTATTER: THOSE ARE FAUX MACHINE MADE EXAMPLES AKTATTER: BUT YOU GET THE SAME LUMPY LOOK AKTATTER: ON THE REAL ROLLED cfgtat: oh now there's an idea! useing larger thread! AKTATTER: SEE THE EXAMPLES FORM THE MARY FITCH BOOK? MRust79224: So should we all try it with a needle instead?? cfgtat: same method then, start and end with a ds and just wrap the rolled section. AKTATTER: YES THAT IS AN EXCELLENT THOUGHT AKTATTER: THE WRAPS AROUND TEH NEEDLE AKTATTER: IS SO COMMON IN NEEDLE LACE AKTATTER: I WONDER IT THAT WAS THE INITIAL INSPIRATION? MRust79224: I'll try it tomorrow and let you know in class if it worked for me. cfgtat: I'm guessing the needle would keep the roll even too. cfgtat: I'll have to play around with that! AKTATTER: YES ITHINK SO BUT AKTATTER: WE WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AKTATTER: ABOUT THE TENSION AKTATTER: IF THE NEEDLE IS TOO BIG AKTATTER: THEN THE ROLLS WILL AKTATTER: HAVE TOO MUCH SPACE IN WHICH TO EXPAND MRust79224: So what size needle do you think we should use? cfgtat: Well, that's not a problem for me! I usually work so tight with the needle anyway. AKTATTER: AND THE NEEDLE WILL LET US BEADS TO IT AKTATTER: WHICH I WOULDN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT USING A SHUTTLE WITH ROLLS cfgtat: I'd try a 20 thread with a 7 or 8 needle. AKTATTER: ALWAYS MATCH THE NEEDLE TO THE THREAD SIZE cfgtat: my rule is the smallest needle that I can get the thread through the eye. AKTATTER: OK ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ROLL TATTING? MRust79224: I like no.20 thread so I will give it a try MRust79224: Will it work doing a split ring? AKTATTER: i DO THAT TOO CAROLYN AND BOY SOME OF THESE NEEDLES HAVE SUCH SMALL EYES AKTATTER: HM SPLIT RING AKTATTER: LET ME THINK AKTATTER: ON THE NEEDLE IT WOUOLD NO RPOBLEM AKTATTER: WITH SHUTTLES... cfgtat: theoretically it would but I'd probably need another set of hands to hold it in place! MRust79224: that's what I was thinking--needle not shuttle AKTATTER: i DON'T SEE WHY NOT? AKTATTER: WE ARE WRAPPING/ROLLING THE THREAD JUST NOT MAKING HS AKTATTER: YES OR A CLAMP ON THE FIRS SIDE WHILE YOU MAKE THE SECOND SIZE AKTATTER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TNIGHT? MRust79224: GREAT IDEA! CLaMPS AKTATTER: ALRIGHT THEN AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO EVERYON WHO SENT INFO AKTATTER: TO ADD TO THIS LESSON AKTATTER: i SURE APPRECIATED THE HELP AKTATTER: MANYTHANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR STOPPING BY cfgtat: thanks Georgia. MRust79224: THANKS so much, Georgia!!! AKTATTER: NOW OFF TO THE OSCARS TO SEE IF ANYONE IS WEARING TATTING ON THEIR EVENING GOWNS :) MRust79224: IT was a lot of fun! BFRuss: very interesting class... thank you! Dntats4u: thanh you cfgtat: goodnight all. AKTATTER: GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY TATTING!! MRust79224: night