cfgtat: G, the link you sent had me going to aol to download their version 9. OnlineHost: OnTheGo731 has entered the room. AKTATTER: well that is aol fo ryou always messing us up OnTheGo731: can you just change the number too 2006 here AKTATTER: January 22, 2006 AKTATTER: I will try that and see but not now AKTATTER: 2006 index http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2006/2006index.html AKTATTER: Wally BKMK http://needles-n-shuttles.com/floral%20bookmark.html AKTATTER: Jane's History notes http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/jetatnotes.html OnTheGo731: lots of work in Janes history AKTATTER: yes there is OnTheGo731: Is she still adding to it AKTATTER: I hope she will continue to do so cfgtat: One of the first things I did after going to DSL was download the Beeton's book. AKTATTER: ok the lesson for tonight is an easy bookmark provided by Wally Sosa Darlagbohn: That's a great book! AKTATTER: and a look back at the history noes provided by Jane Eborall AKTATTER: yes did everyone see that note about Mrs. Beeton book today? Katelingo: yes AKTATTER: and also tonight I hope to get suggestions for this semester's lessons too OnTheGo731: yes amazing how we can save money when we know how AKTATTER: aol is now refusing to let me send links OnlineHost: OnTheGo731 has entered the room. OnlineHost: OnTheGo731 has entered the room. OnlineHost: TarStt has entered the room. cfgtat: Jeanne, do you need some duct tape? TarStt: I need some LOL OnTheGo731: no just checking to see if anyone has gone to the new room Katelingo: I'm having trouble getting to Wally's website, is it down? AKTATTER: well this classroom is a still frustrating these days AKTATTER: I went Fri so I haven't checked to day AKTATTER: she did mention some maintenance work on it Katelingo: That's true. AKTATTER: I am beginning to think we should cancel the aol classroom AKTATTER: and just use the international classroom OnTheGo731: I really like this one and I can log it that is why I hate to see it shut down AKTATTER: so not everyone has seen the bookmark yet? OnTheGo731: I have Darlagbohn: No. Can't get to it. Dntats4u: no BFRuss: I haven't TarStt: I cannot get in to the international room at all. AKTATTER: well Jeanne I woul dlove to share the gutenberg archive site link AKTATTER: but aol refuses to send it AKTATTER: you need to get mirc Tara cfgtat: I called it up about an hour ago. OnTheGo731: http://needles-n-shuttles.com/floralbookmark.html Darlagbohn: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/15147 AKTATTER: ok let's do the official sign in AKTATTER: thanks Jeanne Darla OnTheGo731: Jeanne Zukowski, Getting ready for snow in Lake Peekskill, NY AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA Dntats4u: Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN cfgtat: Carolyn Groves Frostburg, Md. Darlagbohn: Darla, Andover, MN, Darlagbohn@aol.com cfgtat: mdtatter@yahoo.com BFRuss: Anita Russell, Oklahoma bfruss@aol.com Katelingo: Kate Huttar, Dallas, TX, katelingo#huttar.net OnTheGo731: Did the bookmark link work for anyone TarStt: Tara Hamilton Zebulon, NC tarstt@mindspring.com BFRuss: not yet Katelingo: no Darlagbohn: The updated link works! I have the bookmark. AKTATTER: ok AKTATTER: great! AKTATTER: Ihave sent an email with all the links I was going to use to tonight AKTATTER: you can check it later if needed AKTATTER: ok Wally is spending 3 months in Puerto Rico with her family before returning to Cairo cfgtat: strange, now I'm getting "access forbidden" when I try to go there. AKTATTER: wow you too AKTATTER: maybe a traffic jam AKTATTER: so Wally has been tatting a lot OnTheGo731: good for her AKTATTER: any new tatters here tongiht? OnTheGo731: some days I feel like it does that count LOL AKTATTER: this pattern can be tatted as long as you want it AKTATTER: me too Jeanne AKTATTER: then make the turn and come back the opposite side AKTATTER: teh only point to watch is the long picot on the first ring TarStt: I'm also getting forbidden too even going through G's site. AKTATTER: remember that is will have 5 rings joined into it OnTheGo731: so has anyone besides me seen the bookmark? AKTATTER: my site? cfgtat: yes I saw it earlier. AKTATTER: oh it opened ok for me just now AKTATTER: now a note about design cfgtat: I tried going from the link on the class index and got the "forbidden" too. AKTATTER: basically this is an edging, right? AKTATTER: adn if you put a mirror to a repeat you get the image of the opposite side OnlineHost: craftyshuttle has entered the room. OnTheGo731: yes using one side for each half AKTATTER: if you think that is weird AKTATTER: every time I type in this window the text turns upside down AKTATTER: hi gloria BFRuss: wow , what a night :) craftyshuttle: Hello cfgtat: do we have gremlins in here? Darlagbohn: yes, my screen has been doing some very odd things for several minutes AKTATTER: you can use a mirror in many instances OnTheGo731: very strange AKTATTER: to turn corners AKTATTER: and to build individual motifs AKTATTER: and to build whole pieces AKTATTER: any questions about the book mark pattern? OnTheGo731: I have done corners with the mirrors AKTATTER: Homework http://www.georgiaseitz.com/homework/homeworkindex.html Darlagbohn: http://needles-n-shuttles.com/floralbookmark.html AKTATTER: for those without web space AKTATTER: you are welcome to send your work to me and I will gladly post it in the homeowrk files AKTATTER: and if I forget, please feel free to remind me OnTheGo731: what do you think of making a very small picot to join the rings so they do not overlap AKTATTER: just as if I should forget a pattern you have sent into share AKTATTER: please remind me too Darlagbohn: You need to use this link: http://needles-n-shuttles.com/floralbookmark.html AKTATTER: if the picot as after the firs or send ds AKTATTER: it would stabilize the rings AKTATTER: otherwise you might consider a swirl joing OnTheGo731: right it almost looks like these are overlaping AKTATTER: where all the rings are not joined untilthe last ring is made OnTheGo731: how does that work AKTATTER: as long as the rings are added to the picot one by one OnTheGo731: the swirl AKTATTER: they will float about onthe ring until AKTATTER: al lthe bare space is used AKTATTER: make picots on all the rings not joins AKTATTER: with the last ring join by sliping the hook thru all AKTATTER: the first 5 picots and make the join finish ring AKTATTER: any other questions about the book mark? OnTheGo731: ok I think I would get something twisted AKTATTER: ok now about Jane's hisotry notes AKTATTER: just exactly what use is this list to tatters? OnTheGo731: to see that there are lots of tatting books out there AKTATTER: yes there are more than I ever imagined OnTheGo731: actually the notes on how the book is written are very interesting AKTATTER: and this list is not complete AKTATTER: that is the most useful part about it AKTATTER: if you are getting books online OnTheGo731: those long paragraphs are very hard for me to follow AKTATTER: like from ebay AKTATTER: and you have not seen the books before AKTATTER: this guide is really handy Darlagbohn: I agree. AKTATTER: and the list gives you names to look for AKTATTER: when hitting the antique store AKTATTER: when surfing AKTATTER: when traveling and visiting libraries OnTheGo731: true AKTATTER: and it let's us see how many times the same antique book AKTATTER: has been reprinted cfgtat: and cross referencing reprints. AKTATTER: the source of info lists tatters who have the book OnTheGo731: if I were great at diagraming and had tons of time I would draw a diagram for all of those long paragraph patterns AKTATTER: or who have seen it AKTATTER: thank goodness we have in class so many talented tatters who can rewrite these paterns forus OnTheGo731: the reprints sometimes have a different title don't they AKTATTER: next week we will have an example AKTATTER: one of the Mrs Beetonpatterns has been rewritten and several AKTATTER: variationa made to share cfgtat: and mistakes in the reprints are usually in the original. AKTATTER: that is true mitakes are prevalent in the oldies AKTATTER: and the reprints don't always indicate the original AKTATTER: look at that book today AKTATTER: offered by AKTATTER: Dawn Keadic is offering for sale at $37 "Timeless Tatting" 65 patterns plus a how-2 tatting section. She lists some of the patterns at: AKTATTER: http://tatting.fanaticshome.com/ AKTATTER: then when you look at the 10 or the 65 samples AKTATTER: you can recognize immediately OnTheGo731: Is it a copy she has printed off AKTATTER: that they are the original illustarions from Mrs. Beeton AKTATTER: she must have scanned an original or reprint AKTATTER: another helpful point OnTheGo731: ok did not know if she had one of the original books she was selling AKTATTER: if the language is not English or your native language knowing if there are diagrams AKTATTER: will help you decide whether or not to get it OnTheGo731: so true diagrams do not need words usually AKTATTER: no she repackaged it which is not illegal not a copyright violation OnTheGo731: right AKTATTER: but ethically i think she should have said up front it was the Beeton book OnTheGo731: true AKTATTER: and one more point AKTATTER: now you know AKTATTER: what is available to tatters AKTATTER: and what is permissable to put online in the public domain or not AKTATTER: because the dates are listed too AKTATTER: and if you find something not on the list AKTATTER: then please please tell Jane or one of those working on histories about it AKTATTER: any questions on the list? OnTheGo731: no she has done a wonderful job AKTATTER: ye she certainly has Katelingo: at what point is a book in the public domain? AKTATTER: over 75 years old Katelingo: ok AKTATTER: so 1930 or older AKTATTER: ok next AKTATTER: what shall we work on this semester? cfgtat: so all the early Needlecraft magazines are public domain! AKTATTER: any suggestions? AKTATTER: yes Carolyn and Jan Dunmyer AKTATTER: has provided me with decades of patterns from them OnTheGo731: nice AKTATTER: and al lI need are volunteers to rewrite diagram and tat new models cfgtat: I have a lot of the earlier magazines. OnTheGo731: will they be copied and put on line AKTATTER: yes into the public domain archive AKTATTER: slowing but surely Katelingo: cool! AKTATTER: I am going to continue the porject of the month cfgtat: G do you have the notes for the tatted/crocheted doily from the 1918 Needlecraft? AKTATTER: small items of home decor or gift items decorated with tatting AKTATTER: which month? AKTATTER: but I need lots more ideads froma ll of you cfgtat: august 1918 AKTATTER: boy I was typing better when the text was upside down AKTATTER: let me go look while you folks think of ideas cfgtat: We did that one in the class in April 2004 while G was doing the big move. AKTATTER: the entire year of 1918 is missing at this point cfgtat: http://www.jamescgroves.com/mdtatter/1918doily/ OnTheGo731: very nice Carolyn BFRuss: how do you guys keep this organized with your patterns and sites? AKTATTER: ok access forbidden AKTATTER: what is the deal tonight? OnTheGo731: mine is working for a change cfgtat: I have the february, august and september magazines. Darlagbohn: It worked for me. Neat pattern! cfgtat: the february one has a tatted vest. OnTheGo731: wow I would like to see that BFRuss: that would be interesting to see! cfgtat: I'll see if I can scan in the pages. Katelingo: My mom and I are doing the doily. She did the crochet part. AKTATTER: well I hope you can do that for us CArolyn Katelingo: I still have to do the last round! cfgtat: I've been trying to find more patterns that combine crochet with tatting. AKTATTER: lots of good possibilite there AKTATTER: ok everyone knows there are 5 new tatting books out AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/reviews/fikkertbk2.html AKTATTER: that is Ben Fikkert's Tatting Adventures OnTheGo731: crocheting is so much faster I am surprised there are not lots ou there AKTATTER: there are 2 new tatting books in French TarStt: oh I have this book and loooovvvve it!!!!! AKTATTER: Sumi Fujishige's Tatting Lace in Japanese AKTATTER: and Karey Solomon's Shuttlework Cottage AKTATTER: I'll have more reviews tomorrow TarStt: Ben's book I mean. OnTheGo731: you have been busy OnTheGo731: taxes all done too? AKTATTER: Carolyn I think that some of the raised Irish crochet patterns mixed with tattig AKTATTER: were used for antique "yokes" a lot in the Collingbourne books cfgtat: I'll have to look through that one. AKTATTER: almost waiting on some w2s now AKTATTER: any ideas on class lessons or projects?? AKTATTER: well please feel free to email me anytime OnTheGo731: that vest Carloyn mention would be nice it would take up the whole year at least for me cfgtat: probably for me too! Darlagbohn: I'll third that. AKTATTER: still it is the kind of thing that I have always wanted to wear cfgtat: I'll pull it out and see what's involved. Katelingo: ditto OnTheGo731: me too AKTATTER: ok last call for questions? cfgtat: someone asked about keeping track of patterns. AKTATTER: this lesson repeats at 3PMET and 8:30PM ET Monday AKTATTER: beginner's class Wed 8:30PM ET with Tammy cfgtat: does anyone else use a database to catalog their books and magazines? AKTATTER: you have an idead to help us? AKTATTER: sigh I don't but how very useful that would be BFRuss: I do need help- especially on the computer cfgtat: I have a database of most of the workbasket patterns. Darlagbohn: I've seen software for doing that- craft specific OnTheGo731: I try to print off anything I like online before it disappears AKTATTER: Darla could you find that again? cfgtat: but it can easily be done with a spreadsheet. Darlagbohn: I'll look and email you the info. BFRuss: like excell or access? AKTATTER: thanks cfgtat: yes, access is a bit over the top but excel works great. BFRuss: will have to figure it out and try ;) AKTATTER: maybe you could work out a template for us Carolyn? Katelingo: ooh, that would be nice cfgtat: sure, already have one. AKTATTER: well great! BFRuss: wow that is great! cfgtat: either the one for the workbaskets or the needlecraft magazines. BFRuss: could you teach us?? AKTATTER: could we add those lists to the public domain archive? cfgtat: well, most of it's just filling in once you have the basic layout. cfgtat: sure. AKTATTER: super cfgtat: want me to email the sheets to you G? AKTATTER: sure BFRuss: sorry folks, I need to go... flu bug getting me down now;( Great first lesson teach AKTATTER: well it looks like we are off to a good start AKTATTER: glad you could make it BFRuss: and lots of things to think about :) (and do) ;) AKTATTER: many thanks to everyone for helping and for your ideas OnTheGo731: Thanks for a great Class Ak enjoyed gettting back to it AKTATTER: join us again us Dntats4u: good night TarStt: night G AKTATTER: me too glad to be back at work cfgtat: goodnight all. Darlagbohn: Thank you! AKTATTER: Happy Tatting and good night all