Session Start: Sun Oct 30 19:37:05 2005
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*** Topic is 'Welcome to The Online Class'
*** Set by _SPAWN__ on Thu Oct 27 11:47:31
<RIET> 13i wanted to have it woops how to explane that, well more yhatt it looks all the same
<AKTATTER> hello all
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<AnitaR> Hello AK
<AKTATTER> :)
<RIET> 13Hi Georgia, did you see mt homework, I waas verry late
<sara> hello all
<Tatter395> Hello, AK
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<AKTATTER> homework Riet, no I haven't seen it yet!
<LizAnderson> Hi ya!
<Tatter395> Tatter 395 is Dorcas
<AKTATTER> hey Liz
<AKTATTER> hi dorcas
<RIET> 13i eend you a picture of the edging, but Iwas late
<LizAnderson> G - need to work out a coule photos, hopefull this week :) 
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<AKTATTER> ok great Liz
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<AKTATTER> ok I look for it Riet
<AKTATTER> welcome bina
<BinaMAdden> HI G
<RIET> 13Hi Bina
<BinaMAdden> HI Riet
<Tatter395> Hi, Bina, Dorcas can now do you picot
<BinaMAdden> Very Kool Dorcas
<AKTATTER> I need help finding an illustration we used in class
<AKTATTER> I htink it was abead lesson
<AKTATTER> looked kinds like a fish with fins
<AKTATTER> froma Burda pattern I think 
<AKTATTER> anyone remember it??
<AKTATTER> 395, 791 type /nick yourname
<RIET> 13in which year
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<AKTATTER> ?? can't remember Riet
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<BinaMAdden> what was it an illustration of G
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<LizAnderson> Any special technique that went with it, G?
<Kate> Kate Huttar, Dallas, Texas, USA katelingo#huttar.net
<LizAnderson> Carolyn, welcome :) 
<BinaMAdden> What colors where in it?
<AKTATTER> I think it was a lesson with beads??
<Angie> Angie in West Tennessee  rdandangie@hotmail.com
<AKTATTER> maybe it made a fish when finished
<AKTATTER> no pun intended
<CarolynG> Hello everyone.
<BinaMAdden> was it a doodle?
<Tatter> 06 I will look
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<AKTATTER> got it!!!
<RIET> 06HIP hip HOERA 
<AKTATTER> ok look at this page please
<AKTATTER> http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/beads/beadbasics.html
<AKTATTER> go down to the BUrda Anna method on beaded multi picot
<AKTATTER> Oct. 30 , 2005
<AKTATTER> the lesson for tonight is
<AKTATTER> Jane E CTJ http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/janeeborallctj.html
<AKTATTER> Oct. 31 classes cancelled due to Halloween holiday
<AKTATTER> welcome one and all
<AKTATTER> please dign in
<AKTATTER> GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA
<Nina> Nina Libin nlibin@beanile.com
<LizAnderson> Liz Anderson, Colorado Springs, CO lizandrsn@aol.com
<Roger> Roger aka Freedman Freedman7510@comcast.net Shiloh, N.J.
<Kate> Kate Huttar, Dallas, Texas, USA katelingo#huttar.net
<Tatter395> Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN  Dntats4u@aol.com
<Angie> Angie in West Tennessee  rdandangie#hotmail.com
<AKTATTER> IF YOU HVAE PRINTED THE PATTERN FROM THIS LINK
<AKTATTER> Jane E CTJ http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/janeeborallctj.html
<essm> Martha Ess, Greensboro NC  essm@bellsouth.net
<AKTATTER> PLEASE GO BACK AND PRINT FROM THIS LINK
<RIET> 06Riet Surtel/Smeulders from Tilburg Holland r.surtel"home.nl
<BinaMAdden> Bina Madden, Everett Wa tattingbina@gmail.com
<CarolynG> Carolyn Groves  Frostburg, Md.  mdtatter@yahoo.com
<AnitaR> Anita Russell  Oklahoma  baruss402@yahoo.com
<RIET> 06 canī find the at
<AKTATTER> go print from Jane's website
<AKTATTER> she just changed 3 photos\
<AKTATTER> and the instructions
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<AKTATTER> ok http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/edging3.htm
<AKTATTER> got mine printed everyone else ready?
<AKTATTER> she changed figures 3 4and 5
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<AKTATTER> and teh section 1 directions
<AKTATTER> wb riet
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<AKTATTER> jane SENDS HER REGARDS AND TELLS ME I'M BONKERS FOR THINKING SHE WOULD STAY UP UNTIL 1 AM TO COME TO CLASS
<AKTATTER> SHE'S HAD HER COCOA AND IS SOUND ASLEEP BY NOW
<AKTATTER> SHE ALSO WELCOMES ANY QUESTIONS BY EMAIL
<RietI> and me
<AKTATTER> ARE THERE ANY NEW TATTERS IN CLASS TONIGHT?
<AKTATTER> 395, 791 IF YOU TYPE /NICK YOUR NAME IT WILL CHANGE YOUR SCREEN NAME FOR YOU
<AKTATTER> OK THEN LET'S GET TO THIS
<AKTATTER> CHECK OUT THE ABBREVATIONS FIRST
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<AKTATTER> SEE THErOcH  rOsr ETC??
<AKTATTER> VSP = VERY SMALL PICOT
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<AKTATTER> CTJ CONTINUOUS THREAD JOIN
<AKTATTER> AND P OR ? FOR THE PICOT
<AKTATTER> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME i HAVE SEEN THE ? USED TO INDICATE A PICOT
<AKTATTER> HAS ANYONE SEEN ITS USAGE BEFORE??
<BinaMAdden> NO
<Kate> my printout has - or p
<RietI> where do you see that aka
<essm> On Jane's site these are dashes, but on through your link it comes up as ?
<AKTATTER> YES i CAN'TR FIGURE IT
<AKTATTER> WELL MAYBE IT IS JUST MY COMPUTER DOING THIS???
<Roger> Might have been a typo and who knows better.
<AKTATTER> IT IS CONSISTENT ALL THE WAY THORUGH MY COPY
<essm> Is it some UK vs US html thing?
<AKTATTER> OK SECTION 1
<AKTATTER> HEY MAYBE SO mARTHA i KNOW THAT eUROPEAN KEYBOARDS ARE DIFFERENT
<RietI> that happens to me to At this moment I canīt type that question thing
<AKTATTER> SECTION ONE BEGINS WITH
<AnitaR> it is confusing in the instructions in section1.. half way down
<AKTATTER> A SPLIT RING 8 / 2 - 4 - 2 CLOSE
<AKTATTER> YSE IT IS MIND BOGGLING RIET
<AKTATTER> OK REMEMEBER THOSE ARE VERY SMAL PICOTS JUST BUMPS TP WHICH TO JOIN LATER
<AKTATTER> NOW THE SECOND SPLIT RING
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<AKTATTER> IS THE LARGE ONE MARKED ON THE DIAGRAM AS sr2
<AKTATTER> WTG DORCAS!!
<AnitaR> yes
<AKTATTER> SO IT IS sr 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 1 - 1 / 3
<AKTATTER> AND EACH OF THOSE IS A VERY SMALL PICOT EXCEPT
<AKTATTER> THE MIDLE ONE IS A "NORMAL" SIZE ONE
<Nina> for a symbol between parts of a SR we are much better off using something other than /
<AKTATTER> NOW THE 3 AT THE END OF THE LINE IS THE START OF THE BOTTOM HALF
<Nina> what do you think about ~
<AKTATTER> OF THE SPLIT RING WHICH IS WRAPPED NOT TATTES
<LizAnderson> Any suggestion, Nina? I'm curious :)
<Kate> that's confusing with -
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<AKTATTER> I AM VERY COMFORATBLE WITH THE / MARK BUT CERTAINLY OPEN TO NEW SUGGESTIONS
<Nina> Liz, I use tilda ~ for the split
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<AKTATTER> WELCOME 476 TYPE /NICK YOUR NAME TO SIGN IN
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<Tatter420> DonnaH
<Tatter476> Hi--tried to get on but "all froze up"Just like in the olden days
<AKTATTER> OK THE BOTTOM HALF THEN BEGINS THROWING OFF RINGS
<Nina> because / is used on other occasions
<AKTATTER> USING SH2
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<AKTATTER> I HATE THOSE FREEZES
<RietI> 13which one Nina
<AKTATTER> WHAT OOTHER OCCASIONS NINA??
<LizAnderson> Hey Scamp!
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<Scamp> So sorry I missed it all.  What time is it ANYWAY
<AKTATTER> EACH RING IS THROWN OFF AND CLOSED AND THE BOTTOM HALF WRAPPED FOR 3 MORE DS
<Nina> for years i use / for shape and close and// for shape, close, andreverse
<AKTATTER> UNTIL 3 RINGS ARE COMPLETE AND THE SIDE ENDS WITH ANOTHER 3 DS
<RietI> 13almost three oīclock
<AKTATTER> CLOSE THE SPLIT RING
<Nina> every one undesrstands my notation
<AKTATTER> WELL THOSE DO SOUND SENSIBLE NINA
<Nina> can we plan coming to uniformal symbols in basic tattin
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<AKTATTER> NOW HERE IS WHERE I LOSE JANE
<AKTATTER> SHE SAYS TO MAKE THE CTJ
<RietI> 13we tried that for years as far as I know
<AKTATTER> OR CONTINUOUS THREAD JOIN
<AKTATTER> WHICH IS ILLUSTRATED IN FIG 1 AND 2
<Nina> like the same terms and symbols for details and puctuation
<AKTATTER> ACROSS THE TOP OF THE LARGE SPLIR RING 2
<Nina> by punctuation i mean : join, close, reverse, lock join, etc
<AKTATTER> YES RIET , NINA IT IS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE FOR US TO STANDARDIZE THE TATTING TERMS
<AKTATTER> THE PATTERN READS SR1 BUT THE DIAGRAM INDICATES SR2
<RietI> 13georgia , what is it you donī see I tatted the adging with no problem
<AKTATTER> SO IN ESSENCE WE JOIN OUR WAY BACK TO WHERE THE FIRST SPLIT RING CLOSED
<Nina> like for today's join we can all remember and use Jane's CTJ
<BinaMAdden> It's always helps to research a tech before naming it
<AKTATTER> THERE BE BEGIN TO CHAIN UPWARDS
<BinaMAdden> Dale Pomeroy has taught this tech in his classes
<AKTATTER> OK THINK I GOT IT NOW RIET
<essm> I think she later changed the pattern to say SR2, when I reprinted later,it wwas different
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<AKTATTER> SH1 AND SH2 END UP INOPPOSITE POSTIONS WHEN THROWING OFF THESE RINGS
<AKTATTER> RIGHT MARTHA
<Nina> what do you mean by "this tech"/, Bina
<AKTATTER> WELCOME DONNA!!
<RietI> 13O no I did it  to the last one of SR2 but that will gave difficulties
<AKTATTER> YES WE HAD THE JOIN ITSELF IN THE BEAD LESSON EARLIER TOO
<AKTATTER> SO THE CHAIN CONTINUES TOTHE TOP AND ANOTHER SPLIT RING IS MADE
<RietI> 13, because when you go on than SR4 will start from a small picot  
<AKTATTER> WITH THE LARGE RING INTHE MIDDLE BEING THROWN OFF
<BinaMAdden> This join Nina has previously been taught by Dale Pomeroy in his classes
<AKTATTER> IT JOINS AT MID POINT TO THE MIDDLE PICOTOF SR2
<Nina> how it was called than?
<AKTATTER> THROWING OFF A LAST RING AND FINSIH THE CHAIN
<AKTATTER> BRINGS US TOTHE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT SR
<BinaMAdden> I will look it up he has it in his hand out
<Nina> did Dale have the term for this join?
<RietI> 13There I changed the pattern
<AKTATTER> i ONLY MENTIONED IT AS HAVING COME FROMT HE burda ANNA PATTERN BOOK NINA
<AKTATTER> HOW DID YOU CHANGE IT RIET?
<RietI> 13I joined the chain at the end of SR2
<Nina> G, and everyone, what if we do a short research and try to use  first mentioned terms?
<RietI> 13 and  I also joined at the begin of SR 2 , than it looks nicer
<AKTATTER> THAT WOULD BE GOOD NINA
<AKTATTER> I SEE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A FLOP TO IT
<AKTATTER> I THINK WILL MAKE THAT JOIN ON THE PATTERN TOO
<Nina> i am really concerned about all of us using different terms
<AKTATTER> NOW THERE IS A SLT TO MAKE THE COLOR CHANGE IN THE PATTERN
<Nina> guess Jane has a table of techniques, will have to ask her
<AKTATTER> YES WE NEED A SORT OF EQUIVALENTS TABLE
<AKTATTER> SO WE KNOW TO WHAT WE ARE REFERRING AND WHTA MIGHT BE A BETTER JOIN OF TERMS TOO
<AKTATTER> THE PATTERN IS THE SMAE EXCEPT THAT 
<AKTATTER> THE CHAIN NOW JOINS TO THE THROWN OFF RING
<dchamby> SLT?  Shoe LAce Trick?
<AKTATTER> RIGHT DONNA
<AKTATTER> THE CORNER CHANGE IS CLEVERLY DONE
<AKTATTER> THE THROWN OFF RINGS JOIN TO THE sr3
<Nina> let us talk in cortland, than in spokane and come out with an exceptable list, what do you think?
<AKTATTER> AND THE LARGE SPLIT RING WITH MANY PICOTS IS DOUBLED
<AKTATTER> I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT NINA
<RietI> 13orry Nina there are much more guilds
<AKTATTER> OK ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PATTERN ITSELF??
<Nina> we'll try and prepare a first draft
<BinaMAdden> Sounds like a plan Nina
<AKTATTER> REMEMBER TO GO REPRINT IF YOU PRINTED EARLIER TODAY
<AKTATTER> JANE SENT LAST MINUTE CORRECTIONS IN
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<AKTATTER> AND KUDOS TO RIET FOR FINDING THE ERRORS
<AKTATTER> http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/edging3.htm
<AKTATTER> JANE'S ORIGINAL PATTERN HAS BEEN CHANGED ALREADY FOR THE CORRECTIONS
<Nina> Riet, i am not trying to substitute all the guilds, just mention the ones i am going to be, but if someone comes with a draft, we all can build on it
<RietI> 13ok 
<RietI> 13suggestion look in a lot of books and start with the one that are most nused
<AKTATTER> SEE JUDTIH CONORS DICTIONARY TOO
<Nina> good idea!
<essm> sounds good, riet
<RietI> 13where can I find that
<AKTATTER> i BELIEVE IT IS STILL INPRINT i'LLLOOK FOR YOU RIET
<Nina> think T.A.T. program is a good and reliable source, too
<RietI> 13thanks aka
<essm> Judith Connors -- "An Illustrated Dictionary of Tatting"  large paperback
<BinaMAdden> I would like to know too G if the book is still available
<Kate> Question from a newbie - can you explain the CTJ? I was lost there in the pattern.
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<AKTATTER> yes Katie
<AKTATTER> http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/beadannamulti.jpg
<AKTATTER> in the first 2 figures of Jane's pattern
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<AKTATTER> U SEE THE APLIT RING
<AKTATTER> SPLIT RING
<AKTATTER> IWTH MANY LITTLE PICOTS ON IT
<AKTATTER> WHEN THE SPLIT RING IS CLOSED
<AKTATTER> SH1 THREAD
<AKTATTER> SHOWN IN RED
<AKTATTER> IS PULLED UP THROUGH THE LITTLE PICOTS 
<AKTATTER> WORKING FROM THE LAST PICOT BACK TO THE FIRST PICOT
<AKTATTER> WHEN THE LOOP IS LARGE ENOUGH
<AKTATTER> THE SH2 IS POSTED THROUGH THE LOOP
<AKTATTER> JUST GENTLY REMOVE THE SLACK
<AKTATTER> AND GO ON TO THE NEXT ONW
<AKTATTER> http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/beadannamulti.jpg
<AKTATTER> IN THIS ILLUSTRATION
<RietI> 13an illustrated dictioary is in the book of handy hands 11,95 dollars
<AKTATTER> YOU GET THE IDEA
<AKTATTER> RIGHT RIET!
<Kate> yes, so in Jane's pattern, it is picots instead of beads?
<AKTATTER> ON THIS ONE THE SAME SHUTTLE THREAD IS PULLED UP AND TEH SHUTTLE POSTED THROUHG
<essm> Amazon has 2 used copies around $7.00
<AKTATTER> ON jAN'S ONE SHUTTLE THREAD IS PULLED UP
<AKTATTER> AND THE OTHER ONE POSTED THROUGH
<AKTATTER> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS??
<AKTATTER> bINA DID YOU EVER FIND THE NAME THAT dALE USED FOR THIS CTJ?
<dchamby> Amazon has one for $6.98
<AKTATTER> WELL LST CALLFOR QUESTIONS??
<AKTATTER> I HOPE THAT EVERYONE HAS A SAFE AND HAPPY HALLOWEEN
<RietI> 13Thank you chamby, I just looked here in the catalog
<BinaMAdden> I have to dig for his handout I will later and email you G
<AKTATTER> ARE THERE ANY ETATTER MEMBERS IN THE ROOM TONIGHT?
<AKTATTER> TKS B
<RietI> 13it nis save over here we donīt have bhalloween, just pumpkin lights in the garden
<AKTATTER> OK FOR NOVEMBER WE HAVE A LESSON BY DAWN MCLANUGHLIN OF CANADA
<Kate> yes
<RietI> 13I am
<dchamby> yes I belong to etatter also
<Nina> good night, everyone
<AKTATTER> AND OUR OWN JEANNE Z HAS HELPED TO PUT TOGETHER A GREAT PROECJT FOR TATTED HANKIES
<Nina> see you next week
<RietI> 13good night
<essm> No trick or treaters in my neighborhood, so we eat the candy ourselves
<essm> I love hankies, looking forward to it
<AKTATTER> THERE ARE 2 SHUTTLES FROM THE FIRST BATCH OF ETATTERS SHUTTLES STILL ON HAND
<AKTATTER> NIGHT NINA
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<LizAnderson> Pass some this way, Martha!
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<AKTATTER> LOL WE USED TO HAVE 57 TRICKSTERS EVERY TIME
<AnitaR> I would like one Georgis
<AKTATTER> BUT NO ONE COMES OUT HER IN THE COUNTRY
<dchamby> You guys are really keeping my fingers busy.  Had to make 2 of the last week projects 4 large each for embellishment on sleeve of shirt
<Kate> Last year we had 92!
<AnitaR> Georgia
<RietI> 13trickters
<AKTATTER> SO I'M GOING IN WITH MOM TOMORROW NIGHT AND THEY ARE PASSING OUT CANDY AT THE NURSING HOME
<AKTATTER> I GUESS THE WHOLE TOWN BRINGS THEIR KIDS UP THERE
<AKTATTER> YSE ANITA?
<subehr> shuttles for etatters?
<AnitaR> Will email you about one of the shuttles
<AKTATTER> 92 WOW!
<AKTATTER> PLAYFUL KIDS RIET TRICK OR TREATERS
<Tatter> Trey sends hugs1 nite all
<AKTATTER> OK ANITA
<RietI> 13thank you
<Kate> They come in packs of 10-15 (trick or treaters)
<Scamp> Nighters, tatters, sorry I missed out today--Will tat a bunch of wreaths for penance--
<AKTATTER> YES SUE A SPECIAL ONE FOR ETATTERS
<AnitaR> we don't get kids here either.. good idea about the nursing home.. bet they enjoy it
<AKTATTER> NIGHT SCAMP
<AKTATTER> HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD TRIP
<AKTATTER> NIGHT MM
<subehr> are they on your site?
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<Kate> Night all. Thanks, AK!
<AKTATTER> MOM IS DRESSING UP WITH HALLOWEEN SOCKS AND T SHIRT
<AKTATTER> COME AGAIN KATE
<AKTATTER> DON'T FORGET THE BEGINNERS CLAS MEETS HERE ON weDS
<AKTATTER> YOU ARE WELCOME TO SIT IN AND HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS OR MENTOT
<subehr> sorry I missed tonight ..just finished cleaning up after our haunted house
<RietI> 13girls i am going to bed good night all
<AKTATTER> I'LL BET IS WAS FUN!
<dchamby> thanks Reit
<AKTATTER> NIGHT RIET
<subehr> will do my homework!! thanks!
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<subehr> night
<AKTATTER> LAST CALL
<LizAnderson> Nite all!
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<Dorcas> Good night and thanks
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<AKTATTER> THANKS SO MUCH FOR STOPPING BY TO NIGHT
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<dchamby> Thanks Georgia for everything you do for all of us.
<AKTATTER> GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY TATTING ALL
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<AKTATTER> THANK YOU DONNa
<AnitaR> good night all!   Thanks for the great class!
<essm> good night all
<AKTATTER> NIGHTERS
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Session Close: Sun Oct 30 20:33:24 2005