Smeullie: good evening teacher Smeullie: we arwe all alone AKTATTER: yes it is early yet Smeullie: but normally they are there around 2 oçlock my time Smeullie: I see Bina is on line TattingBina: HI Smeullie: Hi Bina TattingBina: where is everyone LOL Smeullie: don't know AKTATTER: Hi Bina! TattingBina: and here I thought I was late:) Smeullie: hi TattingBina: HI Sj AKTATTER: HI Squeakie welcome to class for the first time AKTATTER: this is Bina and Riet TattingBina: hi Squeakie Smeullie: welcom in the class on line squeakie Sjpumadad: hi Dntats4u: hello everyone AKTATTER: squeakie have you got the lesson link ? RogerTats: Thank you, was just ready to ask, pretty please can I come in. TattingBina: How long have you been tatting Squeakie? HI Dorcas:) RogerTats: How is everyone. TattingBina: HI Roger youre welcome Sjpumadad: please be patient this is all new and for some reason my husbands name is coming up Dntats4u: Hi, Bina AKTATTER: welcome Roger AKTATTER: that is ok squeakie it is the name youregistered for class under Smeullie: I think it is just as last week in and out AKTATTER: hi Dorcas! 14 tatters we'll be a rowdy group :) Sjpumadad: ok no what is the lesson link AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/ruthpcelticangel.pdf and AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/rietcelticdfly.html AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/celticchallenge.html Sjpumadad: yep i printed that Dntats4u: If there are more, Loretta and I will just watch and give up our ktis and do it later Qltnut: hi, i am printing lesson now Dntats4u: kits AKTATTER: ah that is nice of you AKTATTER: open chat continues 6 more minutes AKTATTER: just took a cake out of the oven AKTATTER: it is made with raisins and coconut and chopped up candy orange slices TattingBina: made a great beef stew in the slow cooker Sjpumadad: where's our piece AKTATTER: wish I could share it with you all AKTATTER: :) TattingBina: sounds like we need to come to you for dessert G Sjpumadad: sure!! i'll just drool all over my thread AKTATTER: well tat up a napkin Squeak Sjpumadad: thanks AKTATTER: slow cookers are so handy AKTATTER: esp for soups Sjpumadad: you can make cool cakes in them too TattingBina: I got a recipe for an awesome chocolate cake to make in the slow cooker too AKTATTER: cake? well that is new to me TattingBina: haven't tried it yet but it sure looked good TattingBina: well on high I dont see why it wouldnt work Smeullie: What is a slow cooker TattingBina: I will have to report after I make one LOL AKTATTER: a big pot that is electric TattingBina: big pot that cooks food slow usually like roast or something that needs to be cooked tender AKTATTER: eintopf Smeullie: ooooooooo AKTATTER: elecktrisch langsam kochen AKTATTER: makes tough cheap beef tender after 5-6 hours :) TattingBina: LOL I forget Riet can read german too Smeullie: yes I can AKTATTER: ok let's get started AKTATTER: please sign in AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS USA Qltnut: Anne Dent, Dacono CO TattingBina: Bina Madden Everett WA tattingbina@gmail.com Dntats4u: Dorcas Newkirk, Evansville, IN RogerTats: Roger aka Freedman Freedman7510@comcast.net Shiloh, New Jersey Sjpumadad: squeakie ledman, lafayette in squeakiemom@juno.com Smeullie: Riet Surtel-Smeulders from Tilburg in Holland r.surtel@home.nl AKTATTER: ok let US START WITH REVIEWING BINA'S CELTIC PICOT AKTATTER: MADE FROM AN OVERHAND KNOT TattingBina: G I changed the name remember AKTATTER: http://www.paradisetreasures.com/okp.html TattingBina: Celtic Knotted Picot AKTATTER: YES REMIND ME OF THE NEW NAME PLEASE AKTATTER: OK TattingBina: Dianna Stevens does an overhand knotted picot and its done differently AKTATTER: BINA PLEASE DO A SHORT RECAP OF TattingBina: she knots a regular picot AKTATTER: THE CKP TECHNIQUE PLEASE TattingBina: Well in the Celtic Knotted Picot you actually intentionally tie an overhand knot into your thread TattingBina: and that then becomes the picot AKTATTER: IS THE LINK CORRECT BINA? TattingBina: yes AKTATTER: OK NOW BEARING THIS IDEA IN MIND AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK AT RIET'S DRAGONFLY AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/rietcelticdfly.html AKTATTER: WHICH CAME FIRST RIET? THE SQUARE OR THE DRAGONFLY? AKTATTER: DID WE LOSE POOR RIET AGAIN? Smeullie: The square AKTATTER: AH OK AKTATTER: SO WHERE BINA' MODEL LINKED 3 RINGS AKTATTER: RIET'S SQUARE IS NOW LINKING 4 SEGMENTS AKTATTER: IN THIS CASE CHAINS Smeullie: But Bina also has the 4 loops knot AKTATTER: AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THE HARD PART WAS TO KEEP AKTATTER: AH BUTIT WAS NOT ON THIS PAGE AKTATTER: http://www.paradisetreasures.com/okp.html Smeullie: the same length in the different picots AKTATTER: IF YOU HAVE THE 4 LOOP KNOT LINK BINA PLEASE TYPE IT TattingBina: http://www.paradisetreasures.com/ckp.html TattingBina: no I dont have a four looped demo on the website but I will be teaching a square method in Spokane AKTATTER: OK THANKS AKTATTER: SO NEXT RIET YOU WENT TO THE DRAGONFLY AKTATTER: YOU MADE LONG CHAINS? AKTATTER: THEN FOLDED THEM BACK TO MAKE THE JOINS? Smeullie: yes but didn't write the pattern AKTATTER: IT IS A GREAT DRAGONFLY AKTATTER: WE WILL SHARE THE PATTERN WHEN YOU ARE READY RogerTats: Very nicely done, Riet AKTATTER: THE BODY WAS ALL SPLIT RINGS TattingBina: Riet you weaved the picot before joining to it correct? Smeullie: The picot is tatted in the first part of the chain Smeullie: yes TattingBina: So lets point something out to the tatters TattingBina: when you want to make a picot like this with more weaving its not done as a knot Smeullie: yes I did TattingBina: because making an overhand knot will not achieve this weave AKTATTER: THIS PATTERN WOULD MAKE A GREAT STEP BY STEP HOW TO AKTATTER: AND PERHAPS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT METHODS BINA TattingBina: Yes certainly AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? AKTATTER: OK LAST WEEK WE DID THE iSABELLA ORNAMENT AKTATTER: BY TERRY McGUFFIN AKTATTER: ASN IT WAS MENTIONED THAT AKTATTER: IT WOULD BE NICE TO DANGLE SOMETHING INSIDE AKTATTER: THE GLASS BELL/BALL AKTATTER: SO RUTH PERRY SHARED THIS TINY CELTIC STYLE ANGEL AKTATTER: WHICH SHE HAS BEEN USING FOR EARRING AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/ruthpcelticangel.pdf Smeullie: I have a problem AKTATTER: RUTH DREW A BLACK LINE OF THE TATTED CHAIN AKTATTER: YES RIET? Smeullie: Don't understand the drawing AKTATTER: THE ANGEL?? AKTATTER: IF THAT IS THE PROBLEM? THEN THERE IS A REMEDY Smeullie: yes she starts with a chain with picots and than a chain without and just joins AKTATTER: i ASKED RUTH FOR A CLEAR PHOTO AND SH E SENT ONE! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/ruthpcelticangel.JPG AKTATTER: OOPS AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/ruthpcelticangel.jpg Smeullie: can't find out how to do that as you look at the picture AKTATTER: NO CAPITALS IN THE URLS RFL4Tatting2Day: Hello AKTATTER: HELLO RUTH RFL4Tatting2Day: I made it AKTATTER: WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUTYOU RFL4Tatting2Day: I hope its something good <G> AKTATTER: RIET IS CONFUSED ON HOW TO FORM THE ANGEL WINGS AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/ruthpcelticangel.jpg RFL4Tatting2Day: Tat the chain, tie the chain in an overhand knot and join the end to the beginning AKTATTER: so the directions say to TAT THE LONG CHAIN AKTATTER: AND THEN? RFL4Tatting2Day: Tat the second row around joining to make it the shape YOU want the wing to be RFL4Tatting2Day: I do every other picot AKTATTER: YES I CAN SEE THE THREE LOBES IN THE CENTER RFL4Tatting2Day: It's just an overhand knot with another row around the outside to hold the shape. AKTATTER: JOINING THE SECOND ROW TO EVERY OTHER PICOT OF THE OVERHAND KNOT CHAIN RFL4Tatting2Day: Yep AKTATTER: OK RIET DOES THAT HELP? AKTATTER: THANKS RUTH AKTATTER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ONTHE ANGEL? Smeullie: I lost you will read it in the log AKTATTER: ALSO SHARED WITH THE ONLINE TATTING CLASS LAST WEEK AKTATTER: OK RIET YOU READ IT AND THEN LET US KNOW PLEASE RFL4Tatting2Day: I was doing the instructions for the dragonfly I taught at Indy and decided the wing would do for an angel if it was smaller AKTATTER: WAS THE CELTIC TATTIN GCHALLENGE Smeullie: will do that thank you AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/celticchallenge.html RFL4Tatting2Day: Bad, bad AKTATTER RFL4Tatting2Day: I don't have time to work on it right now AKTATTER: IT WAS an interesting challenge i thought AKTATTER: IT IS AN INTRIGUINF PIECE OF FABRIC AKTATTER: WHICH I THOUGHT COULD BE TRANSLATED INTO CELTIC RFL4Tatting2Day: It is beautiful and interesting AKTATTER: STYLE TATTING SO I HOPE SOMEONE GIVE IT A TRY Smeullie: It is but saw it just this evening RogerTats: I drew it out to try and figure a way to do it, but haven't had time to get back to it yet. It is pretty intereting. AKTATTER: AND LASTING TONIGHT TattingBina: its a fun project AKTATTER: WAS THE BOOMARK SHARED BY NANCY OF BESTITCHED.COM AKTATTER: GLAD TO HEAR IT BINA AKTATTER: DARN i JUST DELETED THAT LINK SORRY AKTATTER: GO TO WWW.BE-STITCHEDSTORE.COM AKTATTER: YOU CAN CLICK ON THE FREE PATTERNS AKTATTER: AND SIGN UP FOR A MONTHLY FREE PATTERN TO BE EMAILED ALSO AKTATTER: MY ONLY COMMENT ON THE BOOK MARK PERSE AKTATTER: WAS THE STITCH COUNT SUPERIMPOSED RFL4Tatting2Day: http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0510bookmark.asp RogerTats: http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0510bookmark.asp AKTATTER: ON THE PHOTOS AKTATTER: OK THANKS! Smeullie: Have I lost you again AKTATTER: ok every one seen it now? AKTATTER: http://www.be-stitched.com/pattern0510bookmark.asp Qltnut: yes Smeullie: This is awfull TattingBina: got it thanks AKTATTER: LOL SORRY RIET AKTATTER: is it my typing? AKTATTER: NANCY PLACED THE NUMBERS OVER THE PHOTO AKTATTER: WHICH IS A GOOD THING Smeullie: I fall out every time the writing hits the the line in the window AKTATTER: BUT IN THIS CASE Qltnut: that is hard to read AKTATTER: THERE WAS THE SAME NUMBER OF DS AKTATTER: BETWEEN EACHPICOT AND JOIN AKTATTER: SO IT WASN'T REALLY NECESSARY TO DO SO MUC AKTATTER: H AND TO OBSCURE THE PATTERN SO MUCH AKTATTER: PLEASE COMPARE THE BOOKMARK NUMBERS AKTATTER: TO THE NUMBERS ON THIS ROSETTE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/design.html AKTATTER: MINE OFTEN FREEZES UP TO ORIET Smeullie: am AKTATTER: I THINK IT IS BETTER TO SAVE THE NUMBERS FOR THOSE SPOTS AKTATTER: WHERE THE DS COUNT CHANGES BETWEEN PICOTS AND JOINS ETC. AKTATTER: EW NEED TO REMEMBER TO MAKE AKTATTER: THE DIAGRAMS AND PHOTOS AKTATTER: AS CLEAR AS WE CAN AKTATTER: SO THAT ALL THE TATTERS IN CLASS AKTATTER: CAN FOLLOW ALONG NO MATTER WHICH LANGUAGE THEY SPEAK AKTATTER: OK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AKTATTER: mm! YOU SNEAKED UP ON ME RFL4Tatting2Day: Pretty rosette! AKTATTER: SO GLAD TO SEE YOU HOPE YOU ARE FEELING BETTER TattingBina: G can we clarify something with the names of the knots AKTATTER: THANKS RUTH AKTATTER: WE CAN TRY BINA WHAT IS IT? TattingBina: there are different names for knots Mm13131: hugs! Qltnut: hi mm, just saw you here TattingBina: and when we use them in tatting this being a new area we are exploring TattingBina: to keep them straight so to speak TattingBina: Lily is our knotting guru TattingBina: and she has done some awesome work AKTATTER: OH A STRAIGHT LINE KNOT? AKTATTER: YES SHE IS GREAT TattingBina: and even with this new technique TattingBina: including Turk's head knots TattingBina: so for those who explore using knots TattingBina: its important to realize the type of knot makes a difference in the effect TattingBina: and how its tied to make the effect you are looking for RFL4Tatting2Day: I was afraid that "Turks head" knot was a name that would politically incorrect AKTATTER: YES THIS OPENS UP A NEW WORLDOFPOSSIBILITIES FOR COMBINATIONS AKTATTER: TOO TRUE RP TattingBina: LOL its a published term in Knotting TattingBina: and a method understood by knotters RFL4Tatting2Day: I usually refer to the knots by how many corners they have, or other common names, like overhand knot Smeullie: There is a turks knot seescouts know them Qltnut: and a very old traditional know AKTATTER: RIGHT THAT IS THE ONE RIET AKTATTER: TRUE QLT AKTATTER: AND WE WILL WANT TO STUDY THIS MORE TattingBina: thats what I was saying earlier G Qltnut: opps knot TattingBina: if someone tries to use an overhand knot they wont get what Riet did TattingBina: its a Turk's head knot AKTATTER: SO WHEN RIET WRITES THE PATTERN, SHE WILL NEED TO USE THAT TERM AKTATTER: OK RIET? RFL4Tatting2Day: IT is a Turks Head knot, or a 4 corner knot or in my Celtic book the tatted earring <G> TattingBina: yes or the knotting method will not be correct Mm13131: Bina, keep us up to date1;-) AKTATTER: WE MAY NEED TO INCLUDE KNOTTING DIAGRAMS WITH THE TATTING PATTERNS TattingBina: they wont get the result they thought they would get LOL AKTATTER: THAT IS A GREAT POINT AKTATTER: I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHERE THIS TAKES US RFL4Tatting2Day: There are so many beautiful knots out there, and we really can tat them. AKTATTER: NOW I WANT TO OFFICIALLY WELCOME AKTATTER: SQUEAKIE TO THE CLASS Smeullie: the turksknot I anm talking about is a different one RFL4Tatting2Day: Hi Squeakie! AKTATTER: SQUEAKIE IS A NEW TATTER IS THAT CORRECT? AKTATTER: I HOPES THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE TO JOIN THE REGULAR CLASS RFL4Tatting2Day: Riet talk to me later about the turks knot Qltnut: oh wonderful! welcome to class, AKTATTER: AND LEARN LOTS IN THE BEGINNERS CLASS TOO AKTATTER: AND FOR THE OLD TIMERS HERE AKTATTER: YOU ARE WELCOME TO VISIT THE Qltnut: lol i still feel like a beginner AKTATTER: BEGINNER'S CLASSROOM ON WED. 8:30pm et AKTATTER: WHICH IS LED BY TAMMY RFL4Tatting2Day: We're all still leaarning Qltnut: oh good i would like to do that AKTATTER: TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR TO MENTOR NEWBIES Qltnut: of review? lol AKTATTER: OK THAT IS ALL FOR ME TONIGHT Sjpumadad: hey everyone, sorry i lost you for a minute AKTATTER: SURE QLT AKTATTER: THAT'S OK Smeullie: i had a picture of the turkisch knot i know AKTATTER: THIS CLASS REPEATS MONDAY 3PM ET Sjpumadad: yes i am a beginner and there is noone in my town i can get help with AKTATTER: AND 8:30PM ET (NEW yORK TIME) TOMORROW OCT. 17 2005 Mm13131: Tammy is a good tracher AKTATTER: WELL YOU STICK WITH US SQUEAKIER AND YOU'LLE BE TATTIN GUPA STORM Sjpumadad: i hope so,, AKTATTER: YOU CAN COME BACK HER TOMORROW OR JOIN IN THE AKTATTER: NEW TATTERS CLASS WEDNESDAY NIGHT TOO RFL4Tatting2Day: You'll become a regular tat-a-holic like the rest of us Qltnut: sj, i have always been in that situation Smeullie: Is there some one who can explane AKTATTER: THANKS TO RUTH, RIET, BINA AND NANCY FOR SHARING WITH US THIS WEEK AKTATTER: AND TO ANITA FOR SENDING IN HOMEWORK TOO Qltnut: thank you all! Sjpumadad: i'll be there Smeullie: why i am going in and out what is wrong RFL4Tatting2Day: You're welcome... anytime AKTATTER: IT IS THE AOL FAULT RIET NOT YOU Qltnut: must be something with your connection Qltnut: are you on dial up? AKTATTER: MANY THANKS FOR STOPPING BY TONIGHT Qltnut: or dsl AKTATTER: SEE YOU AL AGAIN TattingBina: :) RFL4Tatting2Day: Hugs all! AKTATTER: GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY TATTING