RogerTats: I Georgia, small class tonight. AKTATTER: 3-dady weekend OnlineHost: SCampb1414 has entered the room. AKTATTER: not many expected AKTATTER: but think there will be more tomorrow AKTATTER: welcome scamp AKTATTER: hey mouse AKTATTER: I'm going to go see if anyone is needing help to get in brb RogerTats: Yes, I was just saying I am going to try and get in at 7:00 tomorrow. tattingmouse: ak we'll meet in hector this year :) SCampb1414: Hi-finally remembered--how's it going out there in tat land? tattingmouse: good scampb SCampb1414: I have been tatting tiny green dimpled hearts for St. Patrick SCampb1414: s day tattingmouse: cool SCampb1414: And gluing them on quilting pins with big colored heads tattingmouse: i'm busy crocheting a baby blanket right now OnlineHost: AJtat has entered the room. tattingmouse: hi ajtat AKTATTER: hey anna OnlineHost: AfganMaker has entered the room. AKTATTER: hey Michelle glad to hear that you'llbe a t hector too tattingmouse: hi afganaker how r u? SCampb1414: OK, you are beyond my league, mouse, as I make nothing bigger than bookmarks-or an occasional hankie edging AJtat: Hi, I just stepped off a plane from Greensboro about an hour ago. Just had a new grandson. AKTATTER: green hearts in a shamrock scamp? AKTATTER: Roger, saw your emails but have not had time to work onthem yet tattingmouse: congrats ajtat AKTATTER: welcome cher AJtat: Thanks, I took care of an 18month old for a L o n g week. AKTATTER: congrats anna, hope mom and babe are both healthy AfganMaker: I'm better, still trying to get over this dumb cold. DH has it now too RogerTats: Ok, I was wondering if you got it, and could use the new one or not. tattingmouse: awww cher SCampb1414: Just one little heart, 10ds, p, 8 ds, join back to p (dimple), 10ds, close. AfganMaker: congrats AJ, boy or girl? AKTATTER: can always use them just takes me a while to wade thru the emails OnlineHost: cfgtat has entered the room. AKTATTER: i give newbies priority AKTATTER: welcome carolyn tattingmouse: hi cfgtat cfgtat: hello everyone. AKTATTER: opne chat continues 2 mor min AJtat: I kept the 18 month old grand daughter while Mom and new son at hospital for a week. A difficult time for all. OnlineHost: Mm13131 has entered the room. tattingmouse: hi mm tattingmouse: how r u? SCampb1414: MM!! AKTATTER: miriam how are you!! SCampb1414: Hey, mm, hubby retired 2 months ago, so taxes are interesting so far-- Mm13131: old and shakey tx U OnlineHost: TattingBina has entered the room. tattingmouse: awww mm tattingmouse: hi bina TattingBina: hi Mm13131: Scampy got that trailer yet? SCampb1414: Ha ha. Mm13131: Dear bina! OnlineHost: jlathemtx has entered the room. RogerTats: Hi Jim. jlathemtx: Jim Lathem Wills Point TX JLathemTX@AOL.COM TattingBina: HI MM how are you? SCampb1414: mm, have so many shuttles now, won't fit in trailer tattingmouse: michele waite oswego,ny tattingmouse@verizon.net jlathemtx: Hi Roger TattingBina: Jim how are you making out with your new threads? AKTATTER: ok let's sign in please AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS AKTATTER@AOL.COM jlathemtx: To tell you the truth, I have not had an opportunity to start using them. They look wonderful. TattingBina: Bina Madden, Everett WA TattingBina@aol.com SCampb1414: Sherri Campbell, Milwaukie, Oregon, outside of Portland cfgtat: Carolyn Groves Frostburg, Md. mdtatter@yahoo.com Mm13131: Not gaining HA very fast! Ankle still painful AJtat: Anna Jean Phillips, Memphis, TN AJtat@aol.com AKTATTER: fEB. 20, 2005 Mm13131: Miriam Brown waterloo, IA AKTATTER: OUR LINKS FORTONIGHT ARE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/oval.html jlathemtx: I attended a Needle Craft Group in Rock Wall, TX Saturday. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/square.html jlathemtx: I learned a much more efficient method of shuttle tatting. AfganMaker: Cher Robinson, Raleigh, NC AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/rectangle.html RogerTats: Roger aka Freedman, Shiloh, N.J. TattingBina: great Jim AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/round.html AKTATTER: AND JUST POSTED TONIGHT SCampb1414: Hey , AK, I have lost your REAL address (DH was mailman, you know)would you please send it to me when you can? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/shtrund2.jpg AKTATTER: 1227 CR 1760 E AKTATTER: GREENUP ILLINOIS USA 62428-3016 AKTATTER: GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT ON THIS 3-DAY WEEKEND AKTATTER: PLEASE TRY TO JOIN US TOMOROW NIGHT AKTATTER: IN THE INTERNATIIONAL CLASSROO AKTATTER: FOR RON'S ORIENTATION DISCUSSION ON THE NEW ROOM tattingmouse: i'll be there logging it ak AKTATTER: SUSANNE H TOT FROM DENMARK HAS SENT IN SOME EXAMPLES AKTATTER: TO ADD TO THE SHAPES PAGES AKTATTER: PATTERNS ARE NOT YET AVAILABLE BUT SHE IS WORKING ON AKTATTER: PLEASE LOOK AT THE SQUARE PAGE SCampb1414: What kind of address is that???Thanks AKTATTER: CR = COUNTY ROAD SCampb1414: Ah AKTATTER: THAT IS THE NEW STYLE 911 ADDRESS USED IN RURAL AREAS BTW AKTATTER: WE ARE PINPOINTED BY GPS BY THE 911 FOLKS AKTATTER: OK LOOK AT THE SQUARE PAGE AKTATTER: SEE THE WHITE DOILY BY SUSANNE? OnlineHost: lionlambowl has entered the room. AKTATTER: THAT IS A SQUARE SHAPED DOILY AKTATTER: COMPRISED BY 4 SQAURE MOTIFS AKTATTER: WELCOME LION cfgtat: G the first 2 images on the square page don't display. AKTATTER: THAT IS BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY AKTATTER: SEE THE NOTE cfgtat: ok AKTATTER: EXAMPLES ARE NEEDED TO FILL THE EMPTY SPOTS AKTATTER: SO SEND IT SAMPLES!! OnlineHost: BFRuss has entered the room. AKTATTER: NOW COMPARE SHT'S DOILY TO THE SQAURE MOTIF NEXT TO IT AKTATTER: THIS ANTIQUE MOTIF AKTATTER: WELCOME ANITA AKTATTER: IS BY DILLLMONT BFRuss: sorry I'm late Anita Russell Oklahoma here Hi all AKTATTER: BUT IS IT MOTIF OR A SHAPE? LET'S ANSWER THAT LATER AKTATTER: YOU ARE WELCOME ANYTIME ANITA AKTATTER: OK PLEAS LOOK AT THE OVAL PAGE AKTATTER: SHT SENT IN A PHOTO OF A LARGE DOILY THAT IS OVAL SHAPED AKTATTER: IT IS NOT COMPRISED ON INDIVIDUALS MOTIFS AKTATTER: IN THIS CASE AKTATTER: IT IS MADE FROM STRIPS JOINED TO CREATE THE OVAL SHAPE AKTATTER: OK NOW PLEASE LOOK AT THE RECTANGLE PAGE AKTATTER: THIS IS A RECTANGULAR SHAPED DOILY AKTATTER: COMPRISED OF 6 SQUARE MOTIFS AKTATTER: AND SURROUNDED BY JOINING EDGES AKTATTER: AND LAST PLEASE LOOK AT THE ROUND PAGE AKTATTER: ADDED TO THIS PAGE IS A ROUND PIECE BY SHT AKTATTER: NOW IS THIS A MOTIF? AKTATTER: IF THIS ROUND MOTIF IS USED TO CREATE A BIGGER PIECE tattingmouse: 3 AKTATTER: THEN IT MAKES A SHAPE.... AKTATTER: 3 WHAT MOUSE TYPOS?? tattingmouse: yep tattingmouse: sorry on my part i tattingmouse: haldf asleep AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: OK NOW HAVING SEEN ALL THIS AKTATTER: WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS SHAPE VS MOTIF SCampb1414: WAKE UP AKTATTER: LOL SOMEONE RING A BELL tattingmouse: lol 3 sick kids AKTATTER: NOW ARE TATTED PIECES COMPOSED OF SHAPES OR MOTIFS? tattingmouse: only had 3 hrs of sleep last night AKTATTER: ANY OPINIONS? cfgtat: both. AJtat: Maybe both? RogerTats: I'd say you would start with a motif and work out to form a shape. tattingmouse: both AKTATTER: HOPE YOU AHAVE AHOLIDAY TOMORROW MOUSE AKTATTER: RIGHT ANNA ET AL AKTATTER: A MOTIF HAS A "SHAPE" jlathemtx: Here goes from a novice. The end result is a shape and the piece is categorized into a particular motif. AKTATTER: I.E, RUND SQUARE OVAL ETC AKTATTER: THATS GOOD TOO JIM AKTATTER: AND WHEN THAT ROUND ELEMENT FOR EXAMPLE AKTATTER: IS USED REPEATEDLY IN A PIECE SCampb1414: I always have opinions AKTATTER: TO CREATE A LARGE LACE PIECE AKTATTER: THEN WE REFERE TO IT AS A MOTIF AKTATTER: OR A REPEATING MOTIF OR A DESIGN ELEMENT AKTATTER: NOW WHAT DEFINES A SHAPE?? AKTATTER: ANY IDEAS? cfgtat: it's geometric definition? tattingmouse: lol AKTATTER: I THINK THAT IS RIGHT CAROLYN THE PHYSICAL OUTLINE OF THE END PORDUCT SCampb1414: Physics class defines shapes-or is it geometry? tattingmouse: geometry AKTATTER: I'LL VOTE FOR GEOMETRY LOL TattingBina: its not always the outline of the end product Mm13131: Oh, Scampie, we don't dare miss class anymore if we want to keep up with our teacher! cfgtat: I knew all those math classes would come in handy! tattingmouse: lol TattingBina: it can also be the shape of negative space created by the motifs AKTATTER: NAME AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE OUTLINE DOES NOT DEFINE THE SHAPE BINA SCampb1414: me too, what does trigonometry define? TattingBina: end product is what I was referring to TattingBina: the end product can be one shape but can also create another shape by its construction SCampb1414: oh, but we digress--bad me AKTATTER: OK WE ARE GETTINGINDEEP HERE lionlambowl: what about a star? It consists of several triangles? AKTATTER: IF WE INTRIDUCE NEGATIVE SPACE INTO THE MIX lionlambowl: Or diamonds AKTATTER: THE THE OUTLINE OF THE NEGATIVE SPACE IS CREATED AKTATTER: BY THE INDIVIDUAL MOTIS OR REPEATING ELEMENTS WITH THE FINSIHED SHAPE AKTATTER: TRIANGLE WOULD EBE THE REPEATING MOTIF AND SSTAR IS THE FINAL SHAPE lionlambowl: That's what I was trying to say AKTATTER: TRIG... SOUNDS LIKE A DISEASE TO ME SCAMPIE tattingmouse: i'll see you all tomarrow i'm falling asleep AKTATTER: TAKE CARE MOUSE OnlineHost: tattingmouse has left the room. AfganMaker: nite mouse jlathemtx: Good night all. This is a bit deep for us East Texas Farm Boys. AKTATTER: OK SO THIS IS THE BACKBONE OF DESIGNING AKTATTER: NIGHT JIM OnlineHost: jlathemtx has left the room. AKTATTER: WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AKTATTER: THE "SHAPE" OF TH E MOTIF AKTATTER: THE "SHAPE" OF THE NEGATIVE SPACE AKTATTER: AND THE "SHAPE OF THE FINISHED PRODUCT. AKTATTER: IT IS INTERESTING TO CLARIFY IT AKTATTER: THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM A NEWBIE THIS MORNING AKTATTER: ABOUT THE ROUND SHAPE SHT SENT IN AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/shtrund2.jpg AKTATTER: I JUST POSTED THE DIAGRAM FOR IT AKTATTER: OUR NEWBIE HAD BEEN AT A DISCUSSION AKTATTER: WHERE WE EMPAHSIZED AKTATTER: TATTING FROM THE CENER OUT AKTATTER: AND NOT CUTTING THE THREAD AKTATTER: THE NEWBIE ASKED IF IT IS POSSIBILE TO DO THAT IN ONE SHUTTLE WORK AKTATTER: WELL WHAT IS THE VERDICT? TattingBina: YES AKTATTER: RIGHT BINA AKTATTER: SO I MADE THIS DIAGRAM FOR HER AKTATTER: AND IF YOU FOLLOW THE RED LINE lionlambowl: Do you call that climbing out with a split ring? AKTATTER: YOU CAN SEE WHERE TO CLIMB OUT AKTATTER: RIGHT LION lionlambowl: I have trouble with split rings sometimes AKTATTER: WELL THEY ARE BE TRICKY BUT THEY ARE SO USEFUL AKTATTER: AND THEY MAKE A GREAT DECORATIVE ELEMENT AKTATTER: OK SO THE NEWBIE EXAMINED THE DIAGRAM AfganMaker: but split rings take 2 shuttles AKTATTER: AND NOITCED THE LASTROW WAS RING AND CHAIN AKTATTER: MOST OF THE TIME YOU NEED 2 SHUTTLES AKTATTER: BUT IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OR TWO SPLIT RINGS AKTATTER: YOU CAN PUT A RUBBER BAND AROUND THE BALL AKTATTER: AND USE IT AS A SHUTTLE TO WRAP AKTATTER: THE FEW DS YOU NEED AKTATTER: SO THEN SHE ASKED AKTATTER: IF MY DOILY IS ALL ONE SHUTTLE WORK AKTATTER: HOW CAN I AVOID CUTTING THE THREAD? RogerTats: Or just leave a extra long tail to use for those couple splits. lionlambowl: Depends on the size of the ball doesn't it? AKTATTER: ANY SUGGESTION?? AKTATTER: ANY BALL JUST OPEN THE RING LARGE ENOUGH lionlambowl: Tricky, Tricky! AKTATTER: ANY SUGGESTIONS ON THE MIGNONETTE?? TattingBina: well for mignonette i would use split chains and both methods of single shuttle split rings AfganMaker: well gang, this cold is getting to me. I've got to get to bed. Nite everyone AKTATTER: TAKE CARE CHER TattingBina: it would depend on if the single shuttle split rings needed to be joined before closing OnlineHost: AfganMaker has left the room. AKTATTER: WELLI WOULD GO WITH ROGER AKTATTER: AND LEAVE THE EXTRA LONG TAIL AKTATTER: OR EVEN USE THE SH2 TattingBina: for Ball and Shuttle use a one sided split ring with the ball as the core RogerTats: This is good method to use up a full shuttle that might have already been cut off ball. AKTATTER: AS LONG AS YOU PULL THE THREAD OVER AKTATTER: YOU CAN KEEP WORKING YOUR WAY OUT AKTATTER: YES THERE ARE ALWAYS ALTERNATIVES TO CUTTING AND TYING AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS?? AKTATTER: I HOPE THAT EVERYONE IS PRINTING OFF THENEW BOOKS FROMTHE PUBLIC ARCHIVE? AKTATTER: IF YOU ENCOUNTER TROUBLE PLEASE LET MEKNOW AKTATTER: THE GOLDEN STARS LINK IS FIXED TODAY TattingBina: link please AKTATTER: AND THE BUTTERICK'S TAT & NET 1896 PART 3 SEEMS TO BE WORKING OK THIS WEEK lionlambowl: What is the golden stars link? AKTATTER: WWW.GEORGIASEITZ.COM Mm13131: Still waiting on my monitor before I can print! AKTATTER: THE PUBLIC ARCHIVE LINK ISON THE RIGHT SIDE lionlambowl: OK thanks AKTATTER: LION IT IS IN THE PUBLIC ARCHIVE AKTATTER: WE ARE STILL MISSING ONE OF THE RIEGO BOOKS TattingBina: which one AKTATTER: SHERON AND GILLIAN PUT OUT ACALL TO SEE IF ANY LIBRARY HAD IT AKTATTER: LET ME LOOK AKTATTER: THE RAISED TATTING BOOK I THINK AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS? TattingBina: something to share TattingBina: I went to an estate sale this weekend TattingBina: and I found plastic placemats and doilys TattingBina: the rectangle one looks like tatting AKTATTER: AL TATTED SHAPE? TattingBina: just ring chain ring chains in rounds AKTATTER: THOSE ARE NEAT cfgtat: I've seen those in antique shops. They are neat looking. TattingBina: but the interesting one is the round doily TattingBina: although its not made of rings I think it could be made into a tatting RogerTats: I thought this was interesting on Janes site. Suggested layouts for the Diamon Shape. At the bottom of the page. RogerTats: http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/diamond.htm TattingBina: I have to have it scanned so you all can see it AKTATTER: YES SEVERAL SIZES AND COLORS AND SHAPES AKTATTER: AH ROGER AKTATTER: I WAS SAVING THAT ONE AKTATTER: YES JANE SENT THAT IN FOR NEXT WEEK AKTATTER: ITIS A WONDERFUL PATTERN RogerTats: Oh sorry, I did some on my site also. And today I found that one Janes. She did a better one than mine, lol. AKTATTER: AND SHE SAYS THAT SHE WAS SURPRISED THAT IT EVENWORKED OUT AKTATTER: AS SHE WAS NO "MATHMATICIAN" LOL RogerTats: Reminds me of the baby block quilt. AKTATTER: YES LOVELY WORK RogerTats: Ok no one look at that link, lol. That's next week. OnlineHost: cfgtat has left the room. AKTATTER: LOL Mm13131: trey sends hugs need to say niters to all AKTATTER: OK THAT'S ALL FOR ME TONIGHT AKTATTER: LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS AKTATTER: NIGHT MM OnlineHost: Mm13131 has left the room. RogerTats: Night all, thanks Georgia. Will see you at 7:00 tomorrow. AKTATTER: THIS DISCUSSION REPEATS IN THE INTERNATIONAL ROOM AKTATTER: MONDAY AT 3PM AND 8:30PM ET (NEW YORK TIME) AKTATTER: AND THE CLASS WILL START EARLY SCampb1414: night, night--tattingly. AKTATTER: AT 7PM ET FOR A PRESENTATION BY RON SOMAN SCampb1414: Scamp AKTATTER: ON THE NEW CLASSROOM AKTATTER: NIGHT SCAMP OnlineHost: SCampb1414 has left the room. OnlineHost: TattingBina has left the room. AJtat: Good evening. May see you tomorrow at 6 (CST). Will miss my squaredancing as I want to learn how to log. AKTATTER: OK ANNA BUT WE WILL SEND THE DIRECTIONS ROUND AND POST THEM TOO BFRuss: great class teacher! Lots to think about ... will never look at my tatting the same :) AKTATTER: THANKS ANITA IT WAS INTERESTING DISCUSSION AKTATTER: QUESTIONS FROM NEWBIES CAN BE MORE DIFFICULT THAT THEY SEEM AKTATTER: WELL GOOD NIGHT ALL HAPPY TATTING OnlineHost: AJtat has left the room.