RogerTats: Yes one is the oval looks like a pretty lace football, :-) Rietsurtel: don't understand it at all , but Paul Macarthy one of the beetles was singing tattingmouse: hey does anyone know of a simple neat shaped doily i can do with shuttle and ball AKTATTER: you bet jim and we can tat up some pompoms! OnlineHost: Amowens119 has left the room. AKTATTER: ok let's get started tattingmouse: i just got the nice purple , mint green and white varigated dmc size 80 thread AKTATTER: please sign in jlathemtx: Jim Wills Point, TX AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP IL USA AJtat: Anna Jean Phillips, Memphis, TN AJTat@aol.com tattingmouse: michele waite uper central ny mousemicw@ yahoo.com TarStt: Tara Hamilton Zebulon, NC tarstt@mindspring.com RogerTats: Roger Lloyd aka Freedman Shiloh, N.J. USA ginnylee435: Ginny Weathers Auburn, New York Notjcwen: Carlene Newton,Arvada, colo jlathemtx: Sorry. Jim Lathem JLathemTX@AOL.COM AKTATTER: ANNA jEAN IS MEMPHIS FAR FROM KNOXVILLE? TattingBina: Bina Madden, Everett WA TattingBina@aol.com AKTATTER: CARLENE IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE AGAIN Rietsurtel: Riet Surtel from Tilburg Holland r.surtel@home.nl AJtat: Memphis is in West Tennessee and Knoxville is in East Tennessee. AKTATTER: AH TOO BAD AJtat: and Tennessee is a LONG state. jlathemtx: Riet, I have been surving from Japan to Europe. Lots of beautiful tattin. AKTATTER: PURPLE GREEN AND WHITE IS THAT CARNIVALE COLORS? Notjcwen: Thank you it's good to be back. AKTATTER: OK FEB. 06 2005 AKTATTER: THE LESSON IS AKTATTER: http://www.domesticarts.com/Patterns/Spider.htm Rietsurtel: carnavai as it is in europe? AKTATTER: TONIGHT WE WERE LACKING OUR TRADITIONAL SUPERBOWL SUNDAY SNOWFLAKE OnlineHost: Wpentwrath1 has entered the room. AKTATTER: SO DIANNA STEVENS SHARED HER NEW SPIDER DESIGN IWTH US AKTATTER: WELCOME WP PLEAS SIGN IN AKTATTER: YOU MAY KNOW THAT SHE HAS A NEW BOOK AOUT WITH TATTED CRITTERS Rietsurtel: that is a real cute thing to tat OnlineHost: Wpentwrath1 has left the room. AKTATTER: IT IS CHARMING jlathemtx: Would you like for us to bring up the spider design? AKTATTER: CARIVALE = MARDI GRAS AKTATTER: WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IT FIRST JIM AKTATTER: WHILE YOU GET THE SPIDER UP HANDY AKTATTER: PLEASE BE AWARE THAT PART 3 jlathemtx: Thanks. Rietsurtel: don't understamd , have a look in my wordbook AKTATTER: OF THE BUTTERICK'S TATTING AND NETTING 1896 BOOK AKTATTER: IS STILL GIVING US TROUBLE AKTATTER: CARNIVALE = FASCHING? AKTATTER: I LOVED HER CHICKEN BEST :) OnlineHost: Clunymimi has entered the room. AKTATTER: WELCOME MIMI Rietsurtel: hi Mimi Clunymimi: Mimi Dillman, Snohomish, WA ntrop@ix.netcom.com tattingmouse: hi mim RogerTats: Hi Mimi Clunymimi: Sorry so late. jlathemtx: Hi Mimi AKTATTER: GLD YO MADE IT ANYTIME AKTATTER: OK WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SPIDER PART FIRST AKTATTER: http://www.domesticarts.com/Patterns/Spider.htm AKTATTER: DIANNA CHOSE TO DO THE BODY tattingmouse: nice onion ring AKTATTER: AS A TRUE RING SURROUNDED AKTATTER: BY TWO CHAIN SEGMENTS AKTATTER: MOUSE I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY THT tattingmouse: :) AKTATTER: THE BODY COULD ALSO BE A THREE LAYER ONION RING tattingmouse: gmta AKTATTER: EITHER WAY YOU DO IT AKTATTER: THE BODY IS EASY TO WORK UP AKTATTER: BUT AKTATTER: YOU MUST TAKE EXTRA CARE AKTATTER: WITH THE EXTRA LONG PICOTS AKTATTER: FOR THE EXTRA ONG SPIDER LEGS AKTATTER: THOSE LONG LEGS CALL FOR THEM TO HAVE JOINS jlathemtx: Are you referring to the two chains a making thiis an onion ring? AKTATTER: OR KNEECAPS AKTATTER: SO TIE A KNOT ABOUT MID POINT AKTATTER: YES RIGHT JIM AKTATTER: HAVE YOU DONE THE ONIONE RING JOIN BEFORE JIKM? tattingmouse: how long are those legs??? jlathemtx: No, I have not done an onion ring. Looks simple. AKTATTER: NO MEASUREMENT GIVEN BUT LONG AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2002/onion/onion.html AKTATTER: YOU MAKE A TRUE RING AND CLOSE IT AKTATTER: THEN MAKE A SECOND TRUE RING AND JOIN TO THE FIRST RING tattingmouse: hmmm say almost 4 inches??? AKTATTER: NOT WITH A SHUTTLE LOCK JOIN AKTATTER: BUT USING THE RING THREAD OF THE SECOND RING AKTATTER: SEE THEPHOTOS AKTATTER: AT LEAST THAT LONG AKTATTER: OK NOW THE WEB AKTATTER: DI STARTS THE WEB AT THE CORNER AKTATTER: AND CLIMBS OUT WITH A SPLIT RING AKTATTER: SO THAT MAKES IT TWO SHUTTLE WORK AKTATTER: ALTHO AKTATTER: IS YOU HAD JUST ONE SHUTTLE AND THE BALL tattingmouse: scmr tattingmouse: :) AKTATTER: YOU COULD PUT A RUBBER BAND AROUND IT AKTATTER: AND WRAP THE FEW DS NEEDED AKTATTER: IF YOU USED THE "DEAD SPIDER" HAND HOLD AHEM tattingmouse: lol AKTATTER: SCMR WHERE mOUSE? tattingmouse: just thinking out loud AKTATTER: PLEASE NOTE IN THE PHOTO AKTATTER: THAT THE CHAINS ARE RATHER STRIAGHT AKTATTER: NOT VERY CURVED AKTATTER: THE DIAGRAM INDICATES CURVED AKTATTER: SO DO NOT COMPRESS THE CHAIN AFTER IT IS COMPLETED AKTATTER: ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SPIDER AKTATTER: OR HER WEB? tattingmouse: nope AJtat: Wouldn't the web and spider look nice on a crazy quilt vest. I believe quilters usually try to put web and spider in crazy patch. AKTATTER: OH THAT WOULD BE CUTE! tattingmouse: yes it would RogerTats: Very cute, will be nice for Halloween AKTATTER: I WAS THINKING ABOUT MAKING THE WEB INTO A FAN SHAPED PIN HOLDER AND RUNNING THE CHAIN OVER TO A SPIDER EMERY BERRY OnlineHost: cfgtat has entered the room. AKTATTER: WELCOME RogerTats: Put a red bead at the end and make it look even more scary. =-O tattingmouse: hi cfgtat AKTATTER: OK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ONTHE SPIDER? Rietsurtel: emmery berrie AKTATTER: MANY THANKS TO DIANNA FOR SHARING HER PATTERN WITH US cfgtat: hello everyone, sorry I'm late. AKTATTER: AND BE SURE TO CHECK OUT HER ANIMALS BOOKMARKS BOOK tattingmouse: how much is it ak AKTATTER: NADELN SCHARF MACHEN Rietsurtel: but I thought she was talking about a esecond animal book AKTATTER: YES I BELIEVE ANOTHER ONE IS IN THE OWRKS AKTATTER: http://www.domesticarts.com/ HER BOOKS ARE LISTED ON THE SITE tattingmouse: ty Rietsurtel: the first is realy nice AKTATTER: OK I HOPE YOU HAVE HAD A LOOK AT THE SHAPES PAGE TODAY AKTATTER: ROGER HAS POSTED THE PATTERNS TO MOST OF THE SHAPES WE STARTED WITH TarStt: Yeah! Thanks Roger! AKTATTER: I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE LINK TO MIMI DILLMANS DIAMOND SHAPED KITE IS POSTED jlathemtx: Thanks Roger. AKTATTER: YES MANY THANKS TO ROGER FOR ALL HIS HARD WORK RogerTats: Your welcome, hope they are ok, and the patterns Clunymimi: Thanks Roger! AKTATTER: AND JIM IS STILL WORKING ON A PATTERN FROM HIS GRANDFATHER TOO jlathemtx: Roger do you needle or shuttle. RogerTats: Both AKTATTER: OK WHAT I SEE SO FAR ARE THESE: Rietsurtel: it didn't be all well but with your site I have all the patterns now AKTATTER: THE PATTERNS FOR AKTATTER: THE SNOWFLAKE WITH THE NEEDLE WEAVING IN THE CENTER AKTATTER: THE OVAL MOTIF AKTATTER: THE SQUARE MOTIF AKTATTER: THE RECTANGLE AKTATTER: THE TRIANGLE AKTATTER: THE DIAMOND IS NOT POSTED YET AKTATTER: THE 5 PT STAR RogerTats: They are all here on my site, http://groups.msn.com/TheSocialShuttle/shapesandtermsintatting.msnw AKTATTER: THE 6 PT SNOWFLAKE WITH BLOCK TATTING Rietsurtel: that comes uo when you look for another pattern AKTATTER: THE 6 PT SNOWFLAKE WITH MULTIPLE PICOTS Rietsurtel: the diamond AKTATTER: AND THE CHEVRON PATTERN AKTATTER: AH THANKS FOR THELINK ROGER RogerTats: Your welcome, AKTATTER: YES RIET I MUST HAVE OVERWRITTEN THE DIAMOND HTML WITH SOMETHING WRONG SO I WILL DO IT AGAIN AKTATTER: I WILL ALSO GET THESE PATTERN POSTED PERMANENTLY TOTHE WEBSITE FOR THE CLASS AKTATTER: SO TAKE YOUR TIME AND LOOK AT THE PATTERNS THEN LET US KNOW IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS NEXT WEEK AKTATTER: I HOPE THAT YOU ALL SAW THE NEW VALENTINE HEART BY EDDA Rietsurtel: http://www.domesticarts.com/Books/Books.htm here are the books of Diana RogerTats: Is it OK, if I put those others on, that are done by others also with a link back. Clunymimi: Nice heart! AKTATTER: http:/digilander.libero.it/chiacchierino/news05/cuore05.html AKTATTER: THANKS FOR THE LINK RIET AKTATTER: YES I THINK THA TIS OK ROGER OnlineHost: lionlamb40 has entered the room. RogerTats: I figured it would be helpful for those who have no class AKTATTER: NICELY DONE AND I APPRECIATE THE LACK OF A TREFOIL IN THE CENTER AKTATTER: WELCOME LAMB RogerTats: I mean not in class, :-[ AKTATTER: PLEASE EMAIL ME LATER ON THAT ROGER THANKS RogerTats: Ok AKTATTER: ALSO NEW ON EDDA'S SITE IS THE INSTRUCTION PAGE FOR lionlamb40: Hi, sorry I''m late. Tatting valentine hearts and watching superbowl AKTATTER: MAKING THE SELF CLOSING MOCK RING AKTATTER: HAS ANYONE SEEN IT YET?? lionlamb40: Hi Bina,,, thanks Clunymimi: I had a look but the italian made it tough. Rietsurtel: you mean the hart jlathemtx: No, link please. AKTATTER: http:/digilander.libero.it/chiacchierino/smcr.html jlathemtx: Same for me on the Italian. tattingmouse: got to go see you all tomarrow AKTATTER: note the scmr is spelled wrong but you need to spell it wrong to get to the page OnlineHost: tattingmouse has left the room. lionlamb40: I agree, I asked for translation but didn't get one. Have to figure it out with diagram I guess AKTATTER: it is the second photo that is puzzling me AKTATTER: she passed the shuttle thru the loop as if she were closing a needle tatted ring AKTATTER: but the threads in the photo from the ring and from the shuttle AKTATTER: get in the way of each other RogerTats: Looks like she passed it under the loop and around. AKTATTER: http://hometown.aol.com/slwelker/selfclose.html AKTATTER: it is just the photo not the method Clunymimi: She passed the shuttle from back to front through the loop. All the loops are kind of confusing. jlathemtx: SCMR + ? AKTATTER: it is hard to make a good photo that captures in one frame Clunymimi: And I think she was using her scanner - even more difficult! AKTATTER: what the thread does as it moves through several postions AKTATTER: is that why the fingers are white at teh tips?? Rietsurtel: I think it is a scmr bur difficult to see AKTATTER: i wondered! AKTATTER: questions jim? jlathemtx: What does SCMR stand for? AKTATTER: self closing mock ring AKTATTER: http://hometown.aol.com/slwelker/selfclose.html AKTATTER: those are the directions AKTATTER: there is a lesson posted onit TattingBina: G what she did there is create a lock AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/bonus2.html AKTATTER: i think it wasthat one TattingBina: Closing the ring the way she did the SCMR will not open as easily as a normal SCMR AKTATTER: that is good to know bina thanks TattingBina: Normally the large loop would be flipped and twisted with the shuttle thread straight TattingBina: if you apply this method you must close loop first then remove the slack from the shuttle thread TattingBina: but not using the shuttle to close as you normally would but close the core thread of the chain first TattingBina: if the loop twists you get a knot at the base of the SCMR OnlineHost: cfgtat has left the room. AKTATTER: a knot horrors not that! AKTATTER: :) Rietsurtel: That is what she do bina look at the other pictures lionlamb40: very clever Bina AKTATTER: ok that is all that i have for tonight Rietsurtel: it is as far as i can see a normal scmr TattingBina: Understanding the mechanism of what is done goes a long way to understanding why it is used:) AKTATTER: next week we will have our list of valentine heart TattingBina: Riet is will look like a normal SCMR AKTATTER: this lesson will repeat Monday at 3 PM ET and 8:30PM ET (New York time) AKTATTER: please mark you r calendars for Feb. 21 TattingBina: the closing is different and creats a locked core thread in the chain AKTATTER: the class will be extended AKTATTER: we will start at 7PM ET and there will be a discussion on the new international room and how to make logs there AKTATTER: any questions?? jlathemtx: Thanks Georgia. lionlamb40: No class on the 20th??? AKTATTER: yes regular aol class on the 20th AKTATTER: the 21st in the international classroom RogerTats: Not sure if anyone uses the translators on line, but thought it might help to use one. Here is one I use, http://world.altavista.com/ this way you can put the url of the page in and find the language and it will change it toEnglish lionlamb40: OK the lesson will be oon international room??? AKTATTER: the lesson repeats 3 times lamb, Sunday in the aol room AKTATTER: Monday in the international room at 3 and 8:30 PM ET AKTATTER: teh extended lesson is only in the international room on MOnday evening' AKTATTER: that is a good translator roger thanks for the link OnlineHost: ginnylee435 has left the room. RogerTats: Some words are still hard to figure out, but it will make it a bit easier. AKTATTER: ok then many thanks for stopping by AKTATTER: roger thanks for your help AKTATTER: and thanks to Di for the spider Notjcwen: a good night Georgie AKTATTER: good night and happy tatting all RogerTats: Your welcome, and thank you very much.