Wlmwpkw: Wilma Walker in Cincinnati OH. wlmwpkw@aol.com Rietsurtel: Riet Surtel-Smeulders from Tilburg Holland r.surtel@home.nl jeanies202: Jean Schultz and we've got lots of snow and its cold in Lewiston, NY LizAndrsn: /liz Anderson, Colorado Springs, CO AKTATTER: aNNA TYPE YOUR NAME AND HOMETOWN TO SIGN IN OnlineHost: Dntats4u has entered the room. OnlineHost: Amowens119 has left the room. AKTATTER: WELCOME DORCAS Dntats4u: hello Rietsurtel: hi AKTATTER: WE ARE JUST STARTING AKTATTER: JAN. 23, 2005 OnlineHost: jlathemtx has entered the room. AKTATTER: THE LESSON TODAY IS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/shapes.html AKTATTER: WELCOME JIM jlathemtx: Jim Wills Point Tx AKTATTER: ROGER FREEDMAN STARTED THE SHAPES PAGE FOR US. AKTATTER: AND WE WILL ADD TO IT AS WE GO ALONG AKTATTER: THIS PAGE IS CREATED IN RESPONSE AKTATTER: TO A FEW QUESTIONS FROM AKTATTER: NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING TATTERS AKTATTER: WHO WANTED TO BE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD Rietsurtel: Hi Jim are you boy or girl in holland it is a boys name AKTATTER: WHAT WE MEANT AKTATTER: PARTICULARLY WHY 5 PTS MAKES A STAR AKTATTER: AND 6 PTS MAKES A SNOWFLAKE ETC. jlathemtx: I am a boy of 64 years. AKTATTER: SO WE HAVE STARTED WITH THE BASIC SHAPES AKTATTER: AND WE WILL ADD TO THE LIS Rietsurtel: so a young boy OnTheGo731: are there patterns for all the shapes on this page AKTATTER: NOT YET JEANNE AKTATTER: THAT IS WHERE THE INTERACTIVE PART COMES IN TarStt: I love the 6 pt snowflake. TarStt: very pretty AKTATTER: I AM ASKING YOU ALL TO FIND YOUR FAVORITE MOTIFS AKTATTER: AND PATTERNS cfgtat: Georgia, will a hexigon be added to the shapes? craftyshuttle: Star of David has 6 point;s. jlathemtx: Jeanne's must sound like an echo from me. AKTATTER: AND WE WILL ADD THEM OnlineHost: Tjneudorf has entered the room. AKTATTER: HEXAGON IS EXCELENT ADDITION AKTATTER: WELCOME TINA Rietsurtel: Hi Tinsa Tjneudorf: thanks TarStt: hello Tina Tjneudorf: hi everyone AKTATTER: RIGHT GLORIA SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AKTATTER: ON STAR VS SNOWFLAKE AKTATTER: THE BLOK FLAKE TARA OR THE PICOT ONE? Rietsurtel: A snow cristal has 6 points OnlineHost: SCampb1414 has entered the room. AKTATTER: RIGHT RIET! OnlineHost: Omasowls has left the room. TarStt: the one with needle weaving. AKTATTER: WELCOME SCAMP Rietsurtel: that is what my son told me OnTheGo731: stars have 5 points a religious symbol star of David has 6 point AKTATTER: AH THE NEEDLEWEAVING ONE IS GOOD AND MADE ALL IN ONE PASS DID YOU NOTICE?? SCampb1414: Hi tatters, Scamp here-Sherri Campbell, Milwaukie, Oregon TarStt: first picture on the page with the red center. very pretty. Rietsurtel: a star can have more points I think AKTATTER: THAT ONE IS BY ROGER LLOYD TARA TarStt: Very pretty! OnTheGo731: then the weaving after the one pass pf tatting? TarStt: Roger did a great job! AKTATTER: RIGHT JEANNE AKTATTER: HE SURE DID AKTATTER: NOW THE ROUND MOTIF SCampb1414: May I please have the address for work tonight? Sorry I was late, AOL wanted me to pay up AKTATTER: IS BY DOLLY HOLLANDER AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/shapes.html Rietsurtel: They are on needle tatting two also SCampb1414: thanks AKTATTER: NOTICE THE QUARTER IN THE PHOTO? AKTATTER: THE THREAD IS PRETTY FINE OnTheGo731: yes AKTATTER: NOW WHEN YOU CLICK ON THE ROUND MOTIF LINE OnlineHost: Clunymimi has entered the room. AKTATTER: IT TAKES YOU TO THE PAGE Rietsurtel: quarter? AKTATTER: WHEN THE ROUND MOTIF EXAMPLES ARE GIVEN AKTATTER: A COIN RIET AKTATTER: ABOUT 2 CM WIDE Rietsurtel: t y OnTheGo731: the coin in the picture of the round motif Riet AKTATTER: THERE ARE FOUR MORE ROUND EXAMPLES LISTED TarStt: that is a neat idea G AKTATTER: THE FIRST TWO EXAMPLES AKTATTER: THANKS TARA :) Clunymimi: It's called a quarter, Riet, because it's 1/4 Dollar (25 cents) AKTATTER: ARE ROUNDS MADE WITH ONE SHUTTLE AKTATTER: HOW CAN WE TELL THAT IT IS ONE SHUTTLE ONLY??? Rietsurtel: thank you AKTATTER: NO CHAINS! OnTheGo731: bare threads AKTATTER: THE FIRST EXAMPLE craftyshuttle: All rings, AKTATTER: RIGHT JEANNE, GLORIA AKTATTER: THE FIRS ONE HAS RINGS THAT BRING THE SHUTTLE THREAD TO THE BACK AKTATTER: THEN MAKE A JOIN ALMOST RANDOMLY AKTATTER: THAT BRINGS THE WORK IN REALLY TIGHT AKTATTER: IT IS EFFECTIVE AKTATTER: THE SECOND EXAMPLE HAS FUNNY LOOKING PICOTS AKTATTER: WHAT IS UP WITH THEM?? cfgtat: twisted!! AKTATTER: THE CENTER RING HAD LONG PICOTS ON IT TarStt: looks like twisted picots to me. AKTATTER: RIGH RCAROLYN Rietsurtel: Don't understand the first one bring to the back AKTATTER: THEY ARE ALL TWISTED UP AKTATTER: ANDTHEN THE NEXT ROUND OF RINGS JOINED TO THE TWISTED PICOT AKTATTER: ANYONE KNOW HOW THAT JOIN IS MADE? craftyshuttle: I am lost. Are we talking about the oval? Rietsurtel: just join as normal cfgtat: looks like the shuttle is just passed through the picot. AKTATTER: THE ROUND MOTIF PAGE GLORIA craftyshuttle: Thanks AKTATTER: THE ROUND MOTIFS WITH ONE SHUTTE AKTATTER: THE ROUND ON THE RIGHT OnTheGo731: isn't that the join that is like a lock stitch or shuttle join AKTATTER: I THINK THAT RIET IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK AKTATTER: I THINK THE CROCHET HOOK IS INSERTED INTOTHE LONG PICOT AKTATTER: THEN THE HOOK IS ROTATED SEVERAL TIMES AKTATTER: THEN YOU REACH OVER AND PULL THE SHUTTLE THREAD THROUGH Rietsurtel: with a there is some thread for and after the join] AKTATTER: JUST LIKE A REGULAR JOIN AKTATTER: PASSING THE SHUTTLE THRU THE LOOP ETC. AKTATTER: KIND OF STRANGE AKTATTER: BUT LOOK AT THE "Y" EFFECT O FHTE THREAD Rietsurtel: before you join you have to twist the picot cfgtat: that picture is really fuzzy so it's hard to see it. AKTATTER: IT DOES ADD A DECORATIVE ELEMENT TO THE DESIGN TarStt: i always have trouble with the first twisted picot untwisting. So hold it tight. SCampb1414: I think there was a butterfly pattern once with the twisted loop AKTATTER: IT IS A VERY TINY FRAGMENT FROM ANANTIQUE COLLAR RIET AKTATTER: I THOUGHT IT WAS INTRIGUING AKTATTER: OK LOOK AT THE EXT ROW AKTATTER: ROUND MOTIF WITH ONE SHUTTLE AND BALL AKTATTER: HOW DO WE KNOW THAT A BALL cfgtat: Chains! LizAndrsn: Chains AKTATTER: OR SECOND SHUTTLE IS NECESSARY FOR THIS TYPE OF PATTERN? craftyshuttle: rings & chains AKTATTER: BOY YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY AGAIN! AKTATTER: IF THERE ARE CHAINS AKTATTER: THEN WE NEED A BALL THREAD OnTheGo731: 2nd shuttle not needed unlsee you climg out to next round AKTATTER: OR A SECOND SHUTTLE TO ACT AS A BALL THREAD Rietsurtel: no rings of chains so ball thread AKTATTER: OR IF YOU WANT 2 COLORS AKTATTER: ALTERNATING RINGS AND CHAINS AKTATTER: AND TRUE IF THERE ARE RIGNS THROWN OFF THE CHAINS AKTATTER: WE KNOW WE NEED 2 SHUTTLE FOR CERTAIN AKTATTER: RIET'S GUILD'D LOGO WA SENT IN TONIGHT AKTATTER: AS A GREAT EXMPLE OF A ROUND MOTIF WITH 2 SHUTTLES AKTATTER: I WILL ADD IT TO THE LIST AKTATTER: NOW THE ROUND ON THE RIGHT craftyshuttle: This is the one I am interested in..... Rietsurtel: It is a desighnfrom Ben Fikkert AKTATTER: IS ALSO SHUTTLE AND BALL AKTATTER: WHICH ONE GLORIA? cfgtat: looks like a row of crochet around it. craftyshuttle: on the right of the 2nd row AKTATTER: THANKS rIET I WILL MARK HIS NAME ON IT craftyshuttle: Is it crochet or tatted ? AKTATTER: OK THIS ONE HAS PICOTS THAT ARE ALL THE SAME SIZE OnTheGo731: is that just a picot between every ds AKTATTER: SO WE KNOW THAT THEY WERE MADE OVER A PICOT GAUGE AKTATTER: THEN WHEN THE MOTI FWAS FINISHED AKTATTER: A LINE A CROCHET WAS SLIP STITCHED INTO THE TOPS OF THE PICOTS ALL THE WAY AROUND AKTATTER: RATHER LIKE OUTLINING IT OnTheGo731: right I likethat AKTATTER: I KEEP THINKING THAT IF THE CROCHET WA DONE IN BLACK OnlineHost: NDyke has left the room. jlathemtx: Help please. Are we on the web page that contains Round motif, Oval motif, etc. AKTATTER: YOUWOULD HAVE A STAINED GLASS WINDOW EFFECT GOING ON AKTATTER: CLICK ON THE ROUND MOTIF WORDS JIM AKTATTER: TAKES YOU TO THE NEXT PAGE SCampb1414: Slip stitched? Or single crochet? AKTATTER: WELL FROM THE PHOTO SCAMP craftyshuttle: It looks like the ones we buy that were tatted in Asia. AKTATTER: I THOUGHT SLIP STITCH AKTATTER: WHAT DO YOU THINK? OnTheGo731: sc I think or it would draw up AKTATTER: IT IS DEFINITELY MADE IN CHINA LizAndrsn: Those were my tbhoughts, too Crafty OnTheGo731: we did that on snowflakes in class craftyshuttle: We have debated how this technique was made. TarStt: it is beautiful just one problem I can't crochet lol AKTATTER: OK WELL THAT IS SOMETHING I MUST TRY TO BE SURE cfgtat: Looks like a chain stitch around catching all the picots. AKTATTER: YES WE DID HAVE A GREAT PATTERNFOR THAT SCampb1414: I had trouble too, jla, click the blue writing above the round motif TarStt: it could be done with inverse picots maybe. craftyshuttle: I have a book with a similiar pattern in it, but cannot give the arthor right now. AKTATTER: ANOTHER TREATMENT AKTATTER: IS TO PULL THE THREAD THROUGH THE TOP OF THE PRVIOUS PICOT WHEN AKTATTER: MAKING THE NEXT PICOT I THINK AKTATTER: WELL THAT IS GOOD GLORIA BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE NEED YOUR HELP AKTATTER: AND EVERYONE IN CLASS AKTATTER: WE WANT TO ADD TO THE PHOTOS AKTATTER: DEFINING SHAPES AKTATTER: AND ADD SOME EXAMPLES LIKE ON THIS ROUND PAGE AKTATTER: AND THEN LET'S LINK THEM TO PATTERNS ALSO Rietsurtel: In ANNA they did explain it craftyshuttle: I will look through my books to find it and send it to you Geoergia. AKTATTER: THANKS G AKTATTER: SHERON GOLDIN HAS INDENTIFIED A DIAMOND PATTERN FOR US jlathemtx: Is the one we are discussing look like 8 rings connected by chains? AKTATTER: IT ISBY JANE EBORALL AKTATTER: RIGHT JIM AKTATTER: SO i WILL START THE DIAMOND PAGE WITH IT AKTATTER: GALE MARSHALL HAD A CHRISTMAS TREE THAT FORMED A TRIANGLE AKTATTER: REMMEBER THAT?? AKTATTER: IF WE CAN FIND THE PATTERN WE CAN LINK IT INTO THE TRIANGLE PAGE OnTheGo731: Janurary 2003 http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/bruges/bruges.html Rietsurtel: With that from Jane you can play a lot] AKTATTER: THANKS JEANNE THAT ONE HDTHE CROCHET LESSSON AKTATTER: SO THIS IS YOUR MISSION AKTATTER: TO HELP FIND EXAMPLES FORTHIS PAGE :) TarStt: which page is that again the oval or diamond? Clunymimi: I found Gale's trees... AKTATTER: JANES PAGE IS A DIAMOND AKTATTER: WELCOME MIMI TarStt: thanks Clunymimi: Email link? AKTATTER: TO THE LESSON MIMI? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/shapes.html Clunymimi: To the trees, would you prefer it now or by email? AKTATTER: FOR THE ROUND MOTIFS http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2005/shapes/round.html AKTATTER: BY EMAIL PLEASE Clunymimi: http://www.comnet.ca/~tatsall/noendstree.htm AKTATTER: BOTH IS NICE Clunymimi: Done by email now, sorry for both. Rietsurtel: WE also can design our own can't we TarStt: do you want examples from books or internet? AKTATTER: THANKS GREAT START! AKTATTER: OH RIET THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL! AKTATTER: IF FROM BOOKS MUST BE PUBLIC DOMAIN Clunymimi: Would my kite qualify as a diamond? Rietsurtel: Lets make it a chalenge AKTATTER: IF FROM INTERNET MUST HAVE PERMISSION FROM TATTER AKTATTER: OH YES MIMI ! TarStt: ok thanks AKTATTER: SUPER IDEA rIET Rietsurtel: In the old books you can find them AKTATTER: BEST OF ALL IS ESPECIALLY DESIGNED FOR CLASS Rietsurtel: I will do my best AKTATTER: OK ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT TO ADD TO THE SHAPES PAGE? AKTATTER: NEXT ROW IS 7 8 9 10 POINT MEDALLIONS AKTATTER: I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A DOILY MADE FROM ALL OF THE BASIC SHAPES Clunymimi: Do we need complex shapes such as hearts and crosses? AKTATTER: GEE YOU ARE WAY AHREAD OF ME MIMI OnTheGo731: all in one doily AK AKTATTER: OF COURSE THOSE COMMONLY REFERRED TO ITEMS MUST BE ILLUSTRATED TOO Rietsurtel: When you will design those 7,8,9 and so on a good help are the stars or how do you call them on mauses sit jlathemtx: Aren't we talking about creating a tatting dictionary much like knitting dictionary? AKTATTER: GEE, JIM, CAUGHT ME OUT AKTATTER: LOL Rietsurtel: o my we will become famous AKTATTER: YES ONE OF THE IOLI PROJECTS THIS YEAR IS CREATING A TATTING DICTIONARY ONLINE AKTATTER: AND YOU HAVE ALL JUST STARTED IT AKTATTER: :) AKTATTER: ALL ONE DOILY JEANNE jlathemtx: I used a knitting dictionary to create a 63 square (8 inches per square) afgan. SCampb1414: I would like to see an "S" shape--A SSSSSnake bookmark (they make one in bobbin lace with metallic thread) AKTATTER: SO WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE S AND Z CHAINS FOR EXAXMPLES TOO Rietsurtel: there is a snake in Dianna stevens last book AKTATTER: A GOOD EXAMPLE TO ORIET OnTheGo731: Jl that sounds like fun for an afghan AKTATTER: THAT WAS SOEM JOB JIM! Rietsurtel: and I thought fre pattern on her site jlathemtx: It tooke me one to two nights per square. AKTATTER: SO THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING PROJECT AKTATTER: EVERYONE CAN HELP OUT AKTATTER: THE PUBLIC DOMAIN PROJECT IS STILL BUILDING AKTATTER: AND WE ARE STILL ADDING TITLES TO THE REFERENCE LIST BY JANE EBORALL TOO Clunymimi: Ah, thanks for reminding me about the public domain project! OnTheGo731: will the additions be to this same site so we can get to them easily Rietsurtel: Georgia the two shuttle logo. I can't gave the pattern Clunymimi: We got a big scanner at work that will fit old Needlecraft mags. AKTATTER: RIGHT EVERYTHING WILL LINK FROM THE SHAPES.HTML PAGE AKTATTER: WOW MIM I DIDNT KNOWTHEY CAME THAT BIG jlathemtx: Where may I find a tatted Masonic symbol? AKTATTER: CANT GIVE THE PATTERN???? Clunymimi: It's a copier that also scans. Rietsurtel: masonic? AKTATTER: THE ONE BY BEN FIKKERT? AKTATTER: JIM IHAVEN;T SEEN ONE BUT WILL LOOK OUT FOR IT AKTATTER: WE DID HAVE AN EASTERN START POSTED A FEW YEARS BACK Rietsurtel: Yes THe one by Ben AKTATTER: PROBABLY IS ON E SOMEWHERE jlathemtx: Do you know of any Angel patterns? Rietsurtel: Our guild president want it only for the guild AKTATTER: RIET, YOU CAN'T? BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE THE PATTERN? OR YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO POST IT? AKTATTER: JIM WE HAVE DOZES OF THEM POSTED Rietsurtel: I have two angels AKTATTER: OK RIET SHOULD I NOT POST THE PHOTO EITHER?? Rietsurtel: are on geoprgia's site SCampb1414: I bought a hankie in Canada that had the Eastern Star Org. symbol tatted on it craftyshuttle: Rite, Masonic is a men's organization known throughout the US AKTATTER: Rita's Angel craftyshuttle: oops. Riet Rietsurtel: Yes I asked Ben and you may put the photo on the site AKTATTER: OK rIET THANKS OnTheGo731: but not the pattern Reit? AKTATTER: IT IS THE GULD LOGO AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/ess.html Rietsurtel: Sorry I am not allowed OnTheGo731: ok I thought it was the Masonic logo getting my lines crosses jlathemtx: Last week, I mentioned my Grandfather tatting. I am deciphering a piece of his tatting. Would you like to have the pattern once I have it created? AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/katieangel.html craftyshuttle: We understand Riet. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/flatangel.html Clunymimi: Yes please jim!! SCampb1414: Are we finishing? Anyone going to IOLI conference in Denver? AKTATTER: THERE'S A FWE JIM jlathemtx: Thanks for the help. LizAndrsn: You bet-Scamp! AKTATTER: YES JIM WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT jlathemtx: This is a fun group. AKTATTER: MAYBE WE CAN TURN YOUR GRANDPA'S WORK INTO A LESSON TOO Rietsurtel: All tatters are funny LizAndrsn: Are classes posted yet? AKTATTER: i WILL BE AT DENVER SCAMP SCampb1414: International Org. of Old Lacers IOLI Dntats4u: I hope to go to IOL jlathemtx: You can consider it public domain once I sent it to Georgia. AKTATTER: YES THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE FOR TONIGHT AKTATTER: OPEN FOR GENERAL QUESTIONS AKTATTER: THANKS JIM OnlineHost: cfgtat has left the room. jlathemtx: Nite all. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/diannaangel.html Rietsurtel: night LizAndrsn: Nite Jim OnTheGo731: thanks for a great lesson Clunymimi: Classes were in the last bulletin Liz. AJtat: Mimi, I finished the Dianna cluny bookmark. AKTATTER: BOOKS OF ANGELS http://www.tat-man.com/emailform.html LizAndrsn: I haven't joined - just following the website AKTATTER: ANNA THAT IS GREAT TO HEAR Rietsurtel: The url doesn't work georgia AKTATTER: WHICH ONE?? TarStt: the one you gave for tat-man Rietsurtel: the last one AKTATTER: OKI LOOK AT IT Clunymimi: I found the link to the convention info on the RMLG site. http://www.rockymountainlaceguild.org/ Rietsurtel: is it about Mark's book Clunymimi: It's a .pdf of nearly 1 meg in size. LizAndrsn: Thanks Mimi - I hadn't seen the update AKTATTER: http://www.tat-man.net/emailform.html Rietsurtel: Thank you Georgia now it works AKTATTER: ok Riet :) jeanies202: Night all AKTATTER: yes that is the ad for the angel book by mark myers OnlineHost: jeanies202 has left the room. TarStt: i have that one it's really wonderful AKTATTER: ok this is the last call for questions? AKTATTER: many thanks to Roger for helping us get started AKTATTER: and to all of you for your good ideas Rietsurtel: It will be a great project AKTATTER: this lesson repeats Monday at 3PM ET and 8:30PM ET (New York time )int the international classroom craftyshuttle: Good Night, Thanks Georgia. OnlineHost: craftyshuttle has left the room. LizAndrsn: Looking forward to more updates! TarStt: thanks G. Great lesson. Dntats4u: thank you Rietsurtel: I will be there to morrow night OnlineHost: Dntats4u has left the room. LizAndrsn: Goodnite! Clunymimi: Thanks Jim and GEorgia! TarStt: night all. OnlineHost: LizAndrsn has left the room. OnlineHost: TarStt has left the room. Rietsurtel: Go to bed now , sleep well all AKTATTER: thanks all good night and happy tatting AKTATTER: :)