GilmaBSB: I can't believe i'm here! AKTATTER: welcome Gilma!! GilmaBSB: thanks AK celticdreamweave: AJtat...that is Sherry OnTheGo731: really international tonignht lillyslip: When she invited me, this is what came up. I just made it bigger. OnTheGo731: Riet and Gilma GilmaBSB: sorry waste yor time with me OnTheGo731: and all of the USA people celticdreamweave: I bought it at a lace workshop that I attended over the weekend AKTATTER: ok this is great so glad to see so many faces here tonight AJtat: I got a couple of 1940's tatting/crochet books at estate sale yesterday Sherry. AKTATTER: shall we get started with the sign in please Rietsurtel: AKA how can I put this room on my sdreen AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ GREENUP ILLINOIS AKTATTER@AOL.COM OnTheGo731: Jeanne Zukowski Lake Peekskill, NY lillyslip: Gina Brummett, Lafayette, IN rabrummett@purdue.edu AKTATTER: IF YOU HAVE AOL REGULAR SERVICE RIET THEN CLICK THE RED HEART celticdreamweave: Oh that is really cool AJat AKTATTER: IF YOU DO HAVE IT AOL REGULAR SERVICE, JUST INSTANT MESSENGER SCampb1414: Sherri Campbell, (Scamp, or Scampie)--Milwaukie, Oregon, near Portland. AKTATTER: THEN YOU MUST HAVE AN INVITATION TO CLASS EACH TIME Rietsurtel: Riet Surtel-Smeulders ftom Tilburg Holland r.surtel@home.nl AJtat: Anna Jean Phillips, Memphis, TN AJtat@aol.com AKTATTER: THEN LINK FOR AOL IS Wlmwpkw: Wilma Walker, Cincinnati Ohio wlmwpkw@aol.com AKTATTER: aol://2719:10-4-Myrtle2004 GAYL 101: gaylynn carter, Payson, UT gayl101@aol.com AKTATTER: GILMA TYPE IN YOUR NAME AND HOMETOWN jeanies202: Jean Schultz, Lewiston, NY jeanies202@aol.com Jtvandersl: Terry Vanderslice The Woodlands TX celticdreamweave: where is the heart AK AKTATTER: WE ALWAYS START WITH SING IT AS IT HELPS TO MEET NEW FRIENDS AKTATTER: THE HEART IS AAT THE TOP RIGHT OF THE CLASS ROOM WINDOW IF YOU HAVE REGULAR AOL ginaBea1630: gina Butler OKC www.ginabea.com Rietsurtel: I have to look , but the old one I has it omn my screen GilmaBSB: Gilma Elias, Brasilia, Brasil gilmae@brturbo.com.br celticdreamweave: Sherry Townsend Canandaigua, New York celticdreamweave@yahoo.com AKTATTER: AS YOU CAN SEE GILMA IS BRAND NEW IN CLASS AKTATTER: WELCOME OnTheGo731: and a brand new tatter too?? AKTATTER: AS ALWAYS THE CLASS REPRESENTS MANY STATES AND MANYNATIONS OnTheGo731: Welcome Gilma GilmaBSB: hy you all, a newbie here and with the shuttels AKTATTER: HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN TATTING GILMA? GilmaBSB: thanks AKTATTER: OK WE HAVE A LOT OF INFO TO COVER TONIGHT GilmaBSB: not so new, I ve done some litthe works GilmaBSB: about 6mounths or so AKTATTER: HAPPY TO HEAR THAT GILMA AKTATTER: THERE ARE LOTS OF TATTERS HERE ONLINE WHO WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP celticdreamweave: my computer keys are locked tight...I don't want to be put in any corner..LOL AKTATTER: LOL SHERRY DON'T FORGET THE SEAT BELT TOO celticdreamweave: oh yeah AKTATTER: BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE LESSON AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseizt.com/2004/1010joins.html AKTATTER: please go look at this drawing: AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseizt.com/2004/joins/1010joins.html AKTATTER: oops AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseizt.com/2004/joins/dsinvverted.jpg OnTheGo731: spelled your name wrong celticdreamweave: well...I be...I can't see either one of those celticdreamweave: oops or not oops AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/1010joins.html AKTATTER: picky picky AKTATTER: lol celticdreamweave: hey....it isn't me...it is Micheangelique that is being finakey celticdreamweave: aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh celticdreamweave: that is better OnTheGo731: that works AKTATTER: ook everyone see the inverted double sstitch?? AKTATTER: that is a lark's head knot AKTATTER: as used in netting knotting macrame etc. OnTheGo731: which link do we click on AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseizt.com/2004/joins/dsinvverted.jpg AKTATTER: darn AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/dsinvverted.jpg AKTATTER: okthe lark's head knot inverted AKTATTER: now either print the scan out ginaBea1630: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/dsinverted.jpg AKTATTER: and turn the paper the oppostie way Jtvandersl: white, pink and black? AKTATTER: or stand on your head for a minute a watch the screen Jtvandersl: ok AKTATTER: :) OnTheGo731: Thanks Gina AKTATTER: when you turn the page around AKTATTER: then you have what looks like the tatted dounble stitch AKTATTER: now a practical exercise AKTATTER: take a piece of thread and fold in half AKTATTER: place the bed of the loop toward you AKTATTER: place a pencil over the thread at a right angle AKTATTER: now reach up and pull the tails of the thread over AKTATTER: the pencil AKTATTER: and down thru the the loop AKTATTER: tighten AKTATTER: now you see the double stitch GilmaBSB: are those black white and a pink thread? AKTATTER: no gilma not yet AKTATTER: that comes next AKTATTER: just look at the inverted ds photo AKTATTER: or try the exercise with us AKTATTER: now gently remove the pencil from the ds AKTATTER: you can see the big loops laying across the tails OnTheGo731: ok AKTATTER: when you begin to do these next joins we study tonight AKTATTER: this is what you are tyring to do AKTATTER: make the thread go thru a loop or other point AKTATTER: fold back on itself AKTATTER: then put the shuttle thru the loops AKTATTER: just like you had the pencil a moment ago GilmaBSB: ok celticdreamweave: I have to go.....I hope everybody has fun tatting OnlineHost: celticdreamweave has left the room. AKTATTER: you are fine gilma Rietsurtel: by sherry AKTATTER: sometimes the screen moves slow AKTATTER: sometimes fast GilmaBSB: I did but nothing happens AKTATTER: night sherry AKTATTER: gilma on the right hand side of this window AKTATTER: there may be a bar AKTATTER: put your cursor on it AKTATTER: and slide it down AKTATTER: ok now AKTATTER: let's go the the lesson page AKTATTER: the first page to study AKTATTER: is presented by lily morales GAYL 101: do you have a link? AKTATTER: http://http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/lhpj//lhpj.html AKTATTER: ah got that one right! Rietsurtel: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/lhpj/lhpj.html AKTATTER: shoot!! rejoiced too soon AKTATTER: sigh AKTATTER: :-[ AKTATTER: ok inthis join OnTheGo731: but you are trying so hard AK AKTATTER: the purpose is to make both side\ Rietsurtel: CAPS PLEASE GAYL 101: I don't get page AKTATTER: ah thanks Jeaane AKTATTER: riet AKTATTER: OK GAYL 101: says page not found SCampb1414: I am still with you, AK-- GilmaBSB: the last link is ok AKTATTER: TRY THE LINK THAT RIET TYPED GAYL OnTheGo731: Gayl go to the one Riet wrote AKTATTER: SORRY Rietsurtel: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2003/lhpj/lhpj.html AKTATTER: THE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE BOTH SIDES HAVE THE ALL FRONT SIDE UP LOOK GAYL 101: ok, I get a page but no pictures only red x's AKTATTER: GAYL ARE YOU USING IE?? GAYL 101: yes AKTATTER: OK HANG ON GAYL AKTATTER: BRB Jtvandersl: Gayl close the page and bring it up again GAYL 101: I tried the r click and copy/pasted the link to pics but didn't work OnTheGo731: So would this be counted as a stitch or just a join Jtvandersl: it just looaded too fast and didn't get the photos GAYL 101: nope, didn't work AKTATTER: I JUST EMAILED YOU THE SCANS GAYL GAYL 101: oh, THANK YOU Rietsurtel: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/ Gaile try to start from this page AKTATTER: THE LHPJ ACTUALLY CREATES A DS AKTATTER: AND THAT MUST BE COUNTED IN THE PATTERN OnTheGo731: ok thanks AKTATTER: LILY ADVISED US TO SUBTRACT ONE DS FROM THE COUNT AKTATTER: PRIOR TO THE LHPJ AKTATTER: SO LET'S TLAK THRU IT AKTATTER: YOU HAVE A RING/CHAIN WITH A PICOT ON IT Rietsurtel: Thank you that was my question AKTATTER: AND YOU WANTO JOIN A NEW RING/CHAIN TO THAT PICOT AKTATTER: STEP 1 AKTATTER: PULL THE RING THREAD UP IN A BIG LOOP AKTATTER: STEP 2 AKTATTER: FOLD THE BEND OF THE LOOP AKTATTER: OVER THE TAILS AKTATTER: (JUST LIKE WE DID A MOMENT AGO WITH THE PENCIL EXERCISE) AKTATTER: (JUST WITHOUT THE PENCIL) AKTATTER: NOW TTAKE THE SHUTTLE THREAD AKTATTER: GENTLY THRU THOSE TWO LOOPS AKTATTER: IN THE SCAN AKTATTER: THE PINK THREAD IS THE SHUTTLE THREAD OnTheGo731: do you put the shole shuttle through AKTATTER: IT SHOULD BE BLACK BUT TO MAKE IT EASIER TO SEE I MADE IT PINK OnTheGo731: whole AKTATTER: YES WHOLE SHUTTLE PASSES THRU OnTheGo731: ok GilmaBSB: ok AKTATTER: NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THE INVERTED DOUBLE STITCH AS IN THE PHOTO AKTATTER: TTAKE THE BLACK TAILS AKTATTER: AND FIND THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE LAST AACTUAL DS TATTED AKTATTER: AND PULL ON IT GENTLY TO REMOVE ALL SLAACK AKTATTER: SEE STEP 4 PHOTO AKTATTER: HOLD THAT FIRST PART SECURELY WHILE YOU TIGHTEN AKTATTER: THE OTHER TAIL REMOVING THE SLACK AS IN AKTATTER: STEP 5 AKTATTER: THEN YOU CONTINUE TO TAT THE RING/CHAIN AKTATTER: CLOSE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT A DS WAS CREATED AKTATTER: THE RING IN WHITE IS 2 - 2 AKTATTER: WHICH IS 4 DS AKTATTER: THE RING IN BLACK IS 2 (LHPJ) 2 WHICH MAKES 5 DS AKTATTER: I THNK IT MAKES A VERY TIDY JOIN Rietsurtel: tidy OnTheGo731: when would you use his join AKTATTER: I KNOW THERE MUST BE WUESTIONS?? OnTheGo731: this AKTATTER: ACTUALLY THIS COULD BE USED ANYWHERE AKTATTER: BUT I THINK IN JOINING ROUNDS IT WOULD ENHANCE THE WORK IN PARTICULAR Jtvandersl: excuse my memory - but is this the way we have been doing it , except that we didn't have the pretty pictures? AKTATTER: TIDY = ALLES IIN ORDNUNG OnTheGo731: ?? Rietsurtel: Dankr AKTATTER: WELL I HAVE ONLY KNOW THIS JOIN ABOUT 2 YEARS Rietsurtel: Dankr AJtat: Is this a join that would always be used when joining two different color threads? AKTATTER: AND LILY IS THE ONE WHO PREPARED THE FIRST LESSON I LEARNED FROM AKTATTER: FOR TWO COLOR WOR K IT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT SPECK OF COLOR GilmaBSB: everybody knows that can use the ALT and Tab at same time to alternate between the screens? Jtvandersl: this makes it very clear AKTATTER: OH RIET TYPOES ARE CONTAGIOUS AKTATTER: THAT IS A GOOD TIP GILMA THANKS AKTATTER: READY FOR THE NEXT ONE?? OnTheGo731: ready GilmaBSB: let's go! Rietsurtel: yes AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitZ.com/2003/lhpj/srlhpj.html AKTATTER: lol AKTATTER: I CAN'T GET ENVENONE SENTENCE TYPED RIGHT TONIGHT =-O AKTATTER: NOW LAST WEEK WE WERE DISCUSSING AKTATTER: THE SHUTTLE LOCK JOIN AKTATTER: WHEN TATTING A SPLIT RING AKTATTER: AND THE WRAPPED SIDE NEEDS TO JOIN AKTATTER: THE SHUTTLE LOCK JOIN HAS BEEN THE ONE USED AKTATTER: BUT THAT IS A BIT LUMPPY AKTATTER: SO LILY APPLIED THE LHPJ AKTATTER: TO THE SPLIT RING SITUATION AKTATTER: AND FOUND THAT WITH A LITTLE MORE WORK AKTATTER: WE COULD MAKE A VERY NICE JOIN THERE TOO AKTATTER: SO LET'S LOOK AT THE PHOTOS AKTATTER: STEP 1 SHOWS A SPLIT RING INPROGRESS AKTATTER: THE BLACK SIDE IS TATTED AKTATTER: THE PINK SIDE IS WRAPPED AKTATTER: THE WHITE RING IS THE ELEMENT TO WHICH WE WANT TO JOIN GAYL 101: are these the same pictures you just sent me? AKTATTER: EVERYONE WITH ME? Rietsurtel: yes OnTheGo731: yes AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseizt.com/2003/lhpj/srlhpj/html GilmaBSB: yes AKTATTER: CAN YOU SEE THAT PAGE GAYL?? GAYL 101: yes Jtvandersl: yes AKTATTER: THOSE ARE THE NEW PHOTOS WE ARE STUDYING NOW AKTATTER: OK AKTATTER: STEP ONE GAYL 101: only the page of lily's, but I got the scans you sent, TY AKTATTER: THE SHUTTLE WHICH IS WRAPPING THE SPLIT RING = PINK AKTATTER: BRING THE PINK THREAD IN A LOOP AKTATTER: UP THRU THE PICOT OF THE WHITE RING OnTheGo731: Gayl go to www.GeorgiaSeitz.com and click on lessons for 2004 and todays date and you will find all of tonights lessons AKTATTER: YOU NEED EXTRA SLACK TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AKTATTER: SEE THE BLACK THREAD IS EXTENDED AKTATTER: SEE ALL THE SLACK IN THE PINK THERAD OnTheGo731: yes AKTATTER: NOW BRING THE SHUTTLE 2 THREAD BACK THRU THAT LOOP YOU MADE OnTheGo731: we just tighten like the last one starting at the last ds AKTATTER: NEXT STEP 4 AKTATTER: KEEPIT ALL LOOSE JEANNE AKTATTER: LOOSE AS CAN BE OnTheGo731: ok OnlineHost: Wlmwpkw has left the room. AKTATTER: STEP 5 IS MISSIN CAUSE I GOT LOST AND MISNUMBERD THE SCANS SORRY AKTATTER: NOW BRING THE SH2 THREAD UP (INSTEAD OF DOWN) AKTATTER: THRU THE SAME PICOT AKTATTER: AT THIS POINT AKTATTER: IT IS BEGINNING TO LOOK AGAIN AKTATTER: LIKE THAT INVERTED DOUBLE STITCH AKTATTER: YOU CAN SEE THE LOOP FOLDED OVER AKTATTER: AND THIS TIME AKTATTER: THE PENCIL IS REPRESENTED BY AKTATTER: THE WHITE THREAD OD THE PICOT ON THE WHITE RING GilmaBSB: ok AKTATTER: TAKE THE SH2 THREAD INTO THE BLACK RING CENTER AND AROUND THE THREAD BEING WRAPPED AND BACK OUT AKTATTER: IN STE P7/8 PHOTO AKTATTER: YOU CAN NOW SEE 2 PINK LOOPS AROUND THE RING THREAD OF THE BLACK RING AKTATTER: SSO STARTING AT THE SIDE NEXT TO THE LAST DS ACTUALLY WRAPPED ON THE BLACK RING AKTATTER: TUG ON THEPINK THREAD AKTATTER: TAKING ALL THE SLACK OUT AKTATTER: WHEN ALL THE SLACK IS GONE FROM ALL SIDES AKTATTER: YOU WILL HAVE A COMPLETED NIEAT AND TIDY LHPJ AGAIN AKTATTER: STEP 10 SHOWS IT WELL AKTATTER: AGAIN THE LHPJ ADDS A DS TO THE COUNT AKTATTER: NOW ALLTHE LOOKING AT THESE PHOTOS IN THE WORLD OnTheGo731: think I willhave to start with large thread to practice this so I can see what I am trying to do AKTATTER: WILLNEVER BE S GOOD AS ACTUALLY TRYING IT OUT AKTATTER: SO PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE AKTATTER: OH THE BIGGER THE BETTER JEANNE GAYL 101: I'm a tiny bit confused AKTATTER: AND USE THREE COLORS TO LEARRN IT AKTATTER: GAYL I AM NOT SURPRISED GAYL 101: it's the same join but done different ways for picot join and for sr join? AKTATTER: IT IS A CONCEPT THAT IS NEW TO US REALLY AKTATTER: IT ENDS UP LOOKING THE SAME AKTATTER: IT IS JUST HOW YOU GET IT TO LOOK THAT WAY THAT IS DIFFERENT OnTheGo731: do youhave both sets of pictures Gayl GAYL 101: yes AKTATTER: THE BASIC PREMISE IS THE LUGGAGE TAG LOOP Rietsurtel: the look is much nicer than the join we did so fat AKTATTER: IT IS A VERY NEAT JOIN Rietsurtel: far AKTATTER: I THINK IT ENHANCES THE LOK OF THE WORK AKTATTER: WELL I CAN'T BELIEVE THE HOUR IS OVER AKTATTER: IT HASBEEN A LONG TIME SINCE WE HAD SO MUCH TO COVER AKTATTER: WE WILL SAVE THE SPLIT CHAIN STITCH JOIN FOR NEXT WEEK Rietsurtel: AKA the secret is no longer a secret AKTATTER: OOK RIET OK!! GAYL 101: the first set of pictures looks easier to make, can you make it the same way for the split ring or do you have to do it the second way? AKTATTER: WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL THEM GilmaBSB: jeanne, are you maryjeanne? AKTATTER: THE FIRST WAY THE JOIN MOVES ON THE RING THREAD OnlineHost: jeanies202 has left the room. OnlineHost: jeanies202 has entered the room. AKTATTER: THE SPLIT RING JOIN IS STATIONERY I BELIEVE GAYL 101: oh, ok AKTATTER: WB JEANIE Rietsurtel: so you can show the poeple if you want my doilies there are in total 15 projects comming up so it will be a little book OnTheGo731: If you are talking to me Gilma it is just Jeanne AKTATTER: RIET HAS GOT SOME WONDERFUL WORK TO SHARE WITH US GilmaBSB: ok GAYL 101: oh, goodie, I want to see! AKTATTER: I AM SO LOOKING FORRWARD TO HER FIRSTBOOK AKTATTER: :) Rietsurtel: only look at it this time no pattern jeanies202: Just got 'kicked off' - Looks better since the explanation AKTATTER: I WILL POST THEM TOMORROW RIET AND SEND THE LINKS AROUND OnTheGo731: looking forward to seeing them Riet Rietsurtel: AKA it is not my book it is the book from our guild AKTATTER: OK THIS LESSON REPOEATS INTHE INTERNATIONAL GUILD OnTheGo731: Thanks AK grreat lesson GilmaBSB: I've seen your works, Riet, it is great! AKTATTER: OH RIGHT RIET, THE ENTIRE GUILD IS PUTTING THE BOOK OUT GAYL 101: thank you georgia for the lesson OnTheGo731: I want to send you some homework pictures as soon as I get them taken AJtat: Will be be able to purchase the book Riet? Rietsurtel: that is why you all have to wait for the work of our members Jtvandersl: This was a great lesson, thanks AKTATTER: THANKS TO AL LFOR STOPPING BY Rietsurtel: pudchase Rietsurtel: purchase AKTATTER: THIS WAS NOT AN EASY LESSON SO KEEPPRACTICING AJtat: purchase = buy GilmaBSB: thanks, AK, glad to be here! AKTATTER: IS BARB FOSTER IMPORTING THEM RIET? AKTATTER: GLAD YOU MADE IT GILMA Rietsurtel: Yes that is whet we want jeanies202: When I first saw the scans, I was ready to give up but thanks for making it look easier Rietsurtel: no we are doing it by our self AKTATTER: THERE IS NOTHING LIKE TRYING IT OUT JEANNIETO MAKE BETTER SENSE OF IT AKTATTER: WELL WE MUST GET SOME FOR THE CLASS MEMBER S AKTATTER: OK THAT IS ALL FOR TONIGHT GilmaBSB: it seams hard to me, but i will try them AKTATTER: SO GOOD TO SEE YOU AL HERE AJtat: Thanks so much for tonight's joins. I have been trying that split chain stitch join for about a month and will be glad for a lesson. AKTATTER: GREAT ANNAJ AKTATTER: SEE YOU ALL NEXT WEEK AKTATTER: OR JOIN OnlineHost: Jtvandersl has left the room. OnTheGo731: thanks AK AKTATTER: NO PUN INTENDED Rietsurtel: I hope that the book is ready before I come to the states next year I will bring it with me AKTATTER: JOIN US IN THE INTERNATIONAL ROOM SAME TIME TOMORROW OnlineHost: AJtat has left the room. AKTATTER: SUPER RIET!!! AKTATTER: GOOD NIGHT ALL AND HAPPY TATTING jeanies202: 'Night to all. See you again soon SCampb1414: nighters--Scamp Rietsurtel: so keep your fingers crossed OnlineHost: SCampb1414 has left the room. GilmaBSB: thanks again