AKTATTER: let's get started with the sign inplease GAYL 101: one question georgia...? Clunymimi: Mimi Dillman, Snohomish, WA ntrop@ix.netcom.com AKTATTER: GEORGIA SEITZ AKTATTER@AOL.COM GREENUP ILLINOIS TattingBina: Bina Madden Everett WA TattingBina@aol.com AKTATTER: YES GAYL? TarStt: Tara Hamilton Zebulon, NC tarstt@mindspring.com GAYL 101: a couple weeks ago you mentioned minature tatting for doll houses AfganMaker: Cher Robinson, Raleigh, NC afganmaker@aol.com Jtvandersl: Terry Vanderslice The Woodlands Tx MRust79224: Mary, Portland, OR MRUst79224@aol.com AJtat: Anna Jean Phillips, Memphis, TN (AJtat@aol.com) wonk24: Tany Reifsteck , Rochester, NY wonk24@yahoo.com GAYL 101: I completely forgot about my doll house. I was wondering if you had a link to pictures of completed projects so I could see AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html AfganMaker: Terry, my brother lives in the Woodlands ByHisWord2: Lynda Cook, formerly of Lancaster, CA, now of Sedalia, MO byHisWord2@AOL.com (or sbcglobal.net) PAntecki: Patti Anteck, Buffalo, NY , PAntecki@aol.com IAMMandoLynn: Lynn Wilton, Lynnwood, WA mandolynn@verizon.net GAYL 101: gaylynn carter, Payson, ut, gayl101@aol.com wonk24: Hi Patty! PAntecki: Hi Jtvandersl: Cher - what is his name and where does he live - we have been here 22 years jeanies202: Jean Schultz, Lewiston, NY wonk24: Hi Jean! AfganMaker: His name is Bob Avery and I'm not sure of the street without pulling up my address book OnlineHost: MousemicW has left the room. Jtvandersl: That name is familiar OnlineHost: Rninjaknight has entered the room. Wlmwpkw: Wilma Walker cincinnati ohio AfganMaker: His wife's name is Carol and she is a teacher Rninjaknight: i hate comon in under hubbys nic Jtvandersl: wow, just as I was sitting here thinking how spread out this group was - it suddenly got closer :) Rninjaknight: it is mouse craftyshuttle: OK, now I am one.........thanks Georgia AKTATTER: GREAT GLORIA GLAD YOU MADE IT Rninjaknight: brb OnlineHost: Rninjaknight has left the room. AKTATTER: gAYL, i WILL BE TEACHING THAT CLASS AT IOLI 2005 IN DENVER wonk24: hi mouse.. Michelle? OnlineHost: MousemicW has entered the room. AKTATTER: NO PHOTOS POSTED OF THE MINI WORK YET OnlineHost: popawho has entered the room. MousemicW: ty ak AKTATTER: MOST OF WHAT I DID WAS USED IN BOOK 3 "tATTING tINY tREASURES" craftyshuttle: Glad you made it Jane. GAYL 101: i may have to try something. My bedroom of my house is almost done, maybe a beadspread or something. TattingBina: who is Popawho? GAYL 101: do you have that book for sale? I have not seen it in stores. AKTATTER: POPAWHP PLEASE SIGN IN popawho: Thanks Gloria, I couldn't do it without you. AKTATTER: YES IT IS AVAILABLE PLEASE EMAIL ME LATER GAYL 101: ok, thanks OnlineHost: Qltnut has entered the room. OnlineHost: Qltnut has left the room. OnlineHost: Qltnut has entered the room. craftyshuttle: Popawho is one of our new tatters in our guild. OnlineHost: LoopyLacer has entered the room. MousemicW: michele mousemicw@yahoo.com oswego,ny MousemicW: hi lily wonk24: Hi Michelle!!!!:-P wonk24: Hi Lily!! popawho: I'm new at all this stuff! LoopyLacer: Hi craftyshuttle: Jane Poparod from Tullahoma, TN\ AKTATTER: liLY WELCOME BACK! LoopyLacer: sorry I'm so late. MousemicW: hi wonk how are you LoopyLacer: Lily Morales, Yucaipa, California wonk24: good and you? LoopyLacer: Hey, Mouse AKTATTER: WELL OUR MEET AND GREET HAS RUN A LITTLE LONG TONIGHT LoopyLacer: how's the baby? TattingBina: HI Jane Welcome to class AKTATTER: BUT I AM SO GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL HERE LoopyLacer: k. AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html LoopyLacer: then I'm not late. hehe AKTATTER: THAT IS THE LESSON FOR TONIGHT TattingBina: right on time Lily:) AKTATTER: LAST WEEK THE CLASS ENCOUNTERED A NEW TERM FOR A JOIN AKTATTER: IN NINA LIBIN'S SNOWFLAKE PATTERNS AKTATTER: IT WAS CALLED A WRAP JOIN AKTATTER: IN TH EEARLIER burda BOOKS IT WAS A "CAPTURE" MousemicW: great lily i have new pics to put in my yahoo photos AKTATTER: WE CALLED IT THE SANDWICH AND THE ALLIGATOR JOIN TOO AKTATTER: THIS BROUGHT TO MIND THE MANY JOINS AND THE NEW JOINS AKTATTER: THAT THE CLASS HAS BEEN STUDYING AND INTRODUCING ONLINE AND IN WORKSHOPS AKTATTER: THERE ARE SO MANY SMALL THINGS THAT TATTERS AKTATTER: CAN DO TO ENHANCE THE LOOK OF THE WORK AKTATTER: PLEASE TURN TO THE FIRST PAGE AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html craftyshuttle: Jane, if you go to file, then create shortcut, you should be able to find this chat room next week. AKTATTER: THESE TWO RINGS AKTATTER: SHOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORK AKTATTER: THE PAIR ON THE LEFT ARE MADE INTEH TRQADITIONAL MANNER AKTATTER: OR AKTATTER: WITH AN UP JOIN AKTATTER: THE PAIR ON THE RIGHT popawho: What file are you talking about Crafty OnlineHost: CCWgr has entered the room. OnlineHost: CCWgr has left the room. AKTATTER: ARE MADE WITH THE MORE MODERN JOIN AKTATTER: THE DOWN JOIN OnlineHost: cfgtat has entered the room. cfgtat: thanks G. Qltnut: ok this is th epair of pics with the german notes on them? AKTATTER: THE WHOLE POINT BOILS DOWN TO A SMALL SPECK OFTHREAD AKTATTER: RIGHT SORRY ABOUT THE GERMAN I KEEP MEANING TO REDO THAT craftyshuttle: Hi Cathy, I was trying to find you, glad you finally made it here. MousemicW: hmm so why can i understand the german?? AKTATTER: SO LOOK AT THE LEFT PAIR AKTATTER: NOTE THE BOTTOM SAYS TRADITIONAL AKTATTER: MARK THAT UP JOIN AKTATTER: THE RIGHT PAIR SAYS NEUE METHODEN OR NEW METHOD AKTATTER: MARK THAT DOWN JOIN OnlineHost: popawho has left the room. AKTATTER: NOW LOOK AT THE UP JOIN PAIR AGAIN AKTATTER: LOOK DIRECTLY AT THE BARS OF THE PICOT STRETCHED BETWEEN THE RINGS AKTATTER: THE LEGS OF THE PICOT ON THE LEFT RING AKTATTER: BOTH HAVE CAPS AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE LEGS OF THE PICOT ON THE RIGHT RING AKTATTER: NO CAPS AKTATTER: AND THERE IS AN EXTRA THREAD THERE IN THE MIDDLE TattingBina: because some of the german wards are very close to english Michelle:) MousemicW: ;) i figured that bina AKTATTER: AM HAVING TORUBLE GETTING NINA IN AKTATTER: WILL SOMEONE INVITE HERE TOO PLEASE MousemicW: aww OnlineHost: nlibin has left the room. AKTATTER: OK NO MORE IMS FOR A FEW MINUTES PLEASE AKTATTER: NOW IF YOU EXAMINE AKTATTER: THE DOWN JOIN PAIR AKTATTER: AHH NINA NINA COME BACK AKTATTER: you can see first AKTATTER: THAT THERE ARE CAPS (OR BARS) ACROSS AKTATTER: ALL FOUR LEGS OF THE SHARED PICOT AKTATTER: AND AKTATTER: THE RING ON THE RIGHT HAS NO EXTRA THREAD SHOWIN AKTATTER: G AKTATTER: QUESTIONS SO FAR?? OnlineHost: JMMAcademy has entered the room. wonk24: no AKTATTER: WELCOME HANNAH MousemicW: nope JMMAcademy: hi Jtvandersl: I get it :) Qltnut: i think i get it but with these glasses I can hardly see it AKTATTER: great so the question becomes simple AKTATTER: TO USE THE UP OR THE DOWN JOIN wonk24: the down join.. I like best OnlineHost: popawho has entered the room. AKTATTER: QLT GO ON TO THE NEXT SET OF DIAMGRAS AKTATTER: IT IS EVEN EASIER TO SEE AKTATTER: THE NEXT THREE DIAGRAMS TarStt: I do too you can follow the join with the second half of the ds and it looks like a full ds. TarStt: down join that is. TattingBina: I find I prefer to not use the second half stitch when using two colors and a up join and just make a full ds AKTATTER: HAVE BEEN SHAMELESSLY STOLEN FROM RHODA AULD'S BOOK AKTATTER: TATTING THE CONTEMPORARY ART OF KNOTTING WITH A SHUTTLE popawho: I'm back Gloria AKTATTER: YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE IN THE DIAGRAM ON THE LEFT craftyshuttle: These are excellent diagram. AKTATTER: THAT THE UP PLACES THE PICOT OVER AKTATTER: THE RING THREAD AKTATTER: AND PULLS THE RING THREAD UP THRU THE PICOT AKTATTER: POST SHUTTLE THRU THE LOOP THUS FORMED popawho: but can't get to file to create shortcut AKTATTER: AND REMOVE SLACK AKTATTER: IN RHODA'S THIRD DIAGRAM YOU CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY AKTATTER: THAT LITTLE BIT OF THREAD AKTATTER: THAT SHOWS BETWEEN THE LEGS AKTATTER: OF THE SHARED PICOT ON THE RIGHT AKTATTER: RING AKTATTER: POSITIVELY INDECENT ISN'T IT? AKTATTER: WHAT DOES IT MATTER OnlineHost: LoopyLacer has left the room. AKTATTER: MOST TIMES IT MATTERS VERY LITTLE AKTATTER: BUT AKTATTER: IF WORKING TWO COLORS AKTATTER: THAT EXTRA THREAD CAN SHOW UP AS A DEFINTIE SPOT Qltnut: popawho are you using aol or aim? AKTATTER: AND IF TATTING FOR THE ALL RIGHT SIDE UP LOOK OnlineHost: LoopyLacer has entered the room. Qltnut: ah LoopyLacer: AKTATTER: AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THIS DETRACTS AKTATTER: OK LETS LOOK FURTHER AT THE DOWN JOIN IAMMandoLynn: What next three illustrations? On the same site still? of the down join? or are we moving to The shuttle Join? AKTATTER: PAGE OPENED WITH THE SIDE BY SIDE PHOTO AKTATTER: THEN THREE DIAGRAMS FROMTHE AULD BOOK AKTATTER: NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DOWN JOIN SECTION AKTATTER: WHICH HAS TWO DIAGRAMS AKTATTER: THE LEFT DIAGRAM OF THE DOWN JOIN AKTATTER: SHOWS THE PICOT PLACED BELOW THE RING THREAD AKTATTER: NOTE THAT I COLORED THE RING THREAD RED TO MAKE THAT AKTATTER: DIFFERENCE SHOW UP MORE AKTATTER: THEN THE RING THREAD IS BROUGHT DOWN AKTATTER: THRU THE PICOT AKTATTER: THE SHUTTLES POSTED THRU THE LOOP THUS FORMED AKTATTER: AND THE THE SLACK REMOVED AKTATTER: VOILA! AKTATTER: NO EXTRA THREAD AKTATTER: NO SPOT OF COLOR AKTATTER: ALL PICOT LEGS ARE DECENTLY COVERED WITH CAPS AKTATTER: PLEASE NOTE THE HISTORICAL INFO ABOUT THE NAME popawho: Do you prefer the down join? AKTATTER: DOWN JOIN Jtvandersl: so do you always use the down join? or mostly use it? AKTATTER: IF I WANT THE ALL RIGHT SIDE UP LOOK AKTATTER: LIKE FOR GOOD STUFF BRIDAL BABY STUFF TATTING FOR EXHIBITS TattingBina: I do now because it looks better with directional tatting AKTATTER: USE DOWN JOIN AKTATTER: IF CRAFT TATTING IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY BUT IT ALWAYS ENHANCES THE LOOK AKTATTER: IT BECOMES SO MUCHA HABIT AFTER WHILE TOO AKTATTER: QUESTIONS SO FAR??? MousemicW: no AfganMaker: no wonk24: no.. sounds good G Jtvandersl: thanks MRust79224: no jeanies202: Would you teach it to beginners? TattingBina: yes AKTATTER: RIGHT FROM THE START craftyshuttle: None from me. TarStt: When you're teaching someone else to tat, which join is the best to show? AKTATTER: IF YOU DON'TTELL THEMTHE OLD WAY AKTATTER: IT WILL NEVER BE A PROBLEM FOR THEM TattingBina: I teach both and let them decide which the prefer AKTATTER: IT IS JUST WE OLD TIMERS HAD TO RELEARN THE JOIN wonk24: well good night all! Thanks G for another good class! AKTATTER: NIGHT TONYA TattingBina: thanks for coming Tanya:) AKTATTER: OK THE NEXT JOIN ONT HE LIST craftyshuttle: It would seem awkward at first. OnlineHost: wonk24 has left the room. popawho: either join will work? correct? LoopyLacer: G, Nina's on AIM, right? IAMMandoLynn: thanks! AKTATTER: IS THE SHUTTLE JOIN' LoopyLacer: she's still having trouble. AKTATTER: RIGHT NLIBIN LoopyLacer: I'm on AOL, so I don't know how to help her. someone in AIM want to try, please? TattingBina: I cant invite her I will get bumped again LoopyLacer: I've been trying, but no luck. cfgtat: I tried inviting her. GAYL 101: I have aim too, who are you trying to invite? Clunymimi: Georgia, may I make a small correction to the text about the down join? It's Marie Rice, not Mary :-) I missed that earlier. LoopyLacer: she gets the invites, but nothing happens. craftyshuttle: Yes, popawho LoopyLacer: nlibin is her AIM name. Qltnut: i don't have the link set up for aim so can't help with it LoopyLacer: thanx, Gayl LoopyLacer: aol://2719:10-4-Myrtle2004 craftyshuttle: There seems to be some trouble with aol and some of us. OnlineHost: nlibin has left the room. Qltnut: ok opening aim to try GAYL 101: how do I invite her? LoopyLacer: thanx, qltnut AKTATTER: must be volcanic ash from Mt. St Helens messing up the cyberspace TattingBina: click on Chat Options and then invite and then put in her screen name gayl TarStt: Nina has to have the person inviting her on her buddy list first . TarStt: Then it might work better for her. OnlineHost: popawho has left the room. LoopyLacer: that's right, blame nature. lol OnlineHost: nlibin has left the room. craftyshuttle: right !!! AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/joins.html AKTATTER: nina nina don't got!! OnlineHost: nlibin has entered the room. AKTATTER: click seat belt for nina nlibin: hi, everyone AKTATTER: welcome back nina cfgtat: I've got a roll of duct tape for her! PAntecki: hi TarStt: hi nina AKTATTER: we have just discussed the traditional up join LoopyLacer: everyone near MSH okay? Haven't heard any news lately, but haven't been watching -- been watcing Dodgers kick the Giants' out of the playoffs. LoopyLacer: WB, Nina!!! nlibin: sorry for being late and unable to enter quietly AKTATTER: the down join and now we are off to study the shuttle/lock join AKTATTER: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2/joins.html LoopyLacer: tie her down with a double strand of cordonnet! lol AKTATTER: lol LoopyLacer: caps, AK nlibin: Thanks, G. have got the class info this morning AKTATTER: the SHUTTLE LOCK JOIN IS ONE I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER LEARNING TattingBina: weclome Nina OnlineHost: Qltnut has left the room. OnlineHost: Qltnut has entered the room. AKTATTER: I JUST CAN'T REMEMER WHERE I LEARNED IT LoopyLacer: it does all become second nature, doesn't it, G? AKTATTER: BUT I NEVER REALY UNDERSTOOD ITS IMPORTANCE nlibin: yes, it comes itself somehow AKTATTER: UNTIL I WAS DEMO=ING AT THE FUR RENDEZ-VOUS IN ALASKA AKTATTER: A WELL KNOWN PIONEER, NORMA, GERTSON, TATTER FOR MANY DECADES Qltnut: ok I have to get into that room first on aim so someone please invite me back OnlineHost: Qltnut has left the room. nlibin: you cannot do without a lock join LoopyLacer: wait, qltnut -- she's here! AKTATTER: SHE WAS WATCHING ME OnlineHost: GAYL 101 has left the room. OnlineHost: GAYL 101 has left the room. AKTATTER: AND I FELT SELF-CONCIOUS AKTATTER: THOUGHT I WAS DOING SOMETHING WRONG AKTATTER: SUDDDENLY SHE LEANS OVER TO ME AKTATTER: AND SAYS AKTATTER: CAN YOU FIGURE THIS OUT OnlineHost: Qltnut has entered the room. AKTATTER: I CAN'T SEEM TO BEND MY HANDS OR THE WORK TO MAKE THIS JOIN AKTATTER: SHE WAS WORKING A ROUND DOILY AKTATTER: WITH RINGS FACING OUTWARD AKTATTER: AND THE CHAIN WAS SUPPOSED TO JOIN TO THE PREVIOUS ROW OnlineHost: craftyshuttle has left the room. AKTATTER: NATURALLY THE POSTION OF EVERYTHING WAS WRONG Qltnut: did nina get in? AKTATTER: I SHOWED HER THE SHUTTLE JOIN TattingBina: yes Anne AKTATTER: AND NORMA WAS AMAZED Qltnut: k AKTATTER: THAT MANY YEARS AND SHE HAD NEVER FIGURED THAT OUT AKTATTER: WHATA HAPPY TATTER SHE WAS AKTATTER: SO WHAT WAS NORMA'S PROBLEM?? OnlineHost: GAYL 101 has entered the room. AKTATTER: MOST TIMES WE JOIN ABOVE THE LINE OF PROGRESSION AKTATTER: TATTING USUALLY GOES FROM LEFT TO RIGHT AKTATTER: SO THAT BECOMES THE LINE OF PROGRESSION nlibin: my question is: AKTATTER: RINGS ARE USUALLY ABOVE THE LINE nlibin: how do we call it? AKTATTER: AND THE CHAINS FACING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ARE BELOW AKTATTER: THAT LINE OF PROGRESSION nlibin: a shuttle join or a lock join AKTATTER: THE LOCK JOIN WOULD BE SIMPLER MousemicW: - AKTATTER: BUT I NEARLY ALWAYS SAY SHUTTLE/LOCK JOIN nlibin: agreed!!! LoopyLacer: but it's not always a "lock" join. AKTATTER: ALL JOINS ARE MADE WITH A SHUTTLE SO IT REALLYISN'T RIGHT AKTATTER: TO JUST SASY SHUTTLE JOI N IS IT?? LoopyLacer: if it's used for the second half or a SR TattingBina: lock join or shuttle lock join is what I use as it indicates locking the core thread AKTATTER: THAT'S TRUE LILY AND THAT SITUATION IS ONE THAT WE WILL STUDY INA FUTURE LESSON nlibin: yes, bina, you are right AKTATTER: JOINING UP AND TO THE LEFT IS NO PORBLEM AKTATTER: JOINING DOWN AND TO THE LEFT IS NO PROBLEM nlibin: but isn't shuttle/lock join too long a tem? OnlineHost: Qltnut has left the room. AKTATTER: BUTTOJOIN BELOW THE LINE OF PORGRESSION AKTATTER: THAT MEANS THE SHUTTLE/LOCK JOIN AKTATTER: IT COULD WELL BE SHORTENED NINA TattingBina: i dont believe so not for a newbie who is still learning what shuttle does what Nina AKTATTER: CORE LOCK JOIN?? AKTATTER: IT IS INDEED HIGHLY DESCRIPTIVE OF THE SITUATION AKTATTER: AND THE SHUTTLE LOCK JOIN AKTATTER: IS NOT REALLY VERY PRETTY LoopyLacer: not imho, nina, because we all know that it indicates locking that same thread to the picot, by passing its own shuttle through its loop. hope that makes sense. AKTATTER: LOOK AT THE CHAIN WORK INTHE HEART PICLLOW EDGING nlibin: lock join seems logical because it actually locks the core thread AKTATTER: IT MIGHT AS WELL BE TIED LIKE A SHOWLACE LoopyLacer: but it's not always the core thread that makes it. AKTATTER: THAT SCAN ALSO POINTS OUT APITFALL AKTATTER: LEFT AND RIGHT HANDED TATTERS AKTATTER: OFTENWORK A SLANT INTO THEIR WORK AKTATTER: WHEN USING THE SHUTTLE.LOCK JOIN OnlineHost: Qltnut has entered the room. nlibin: yes, i agree nlibin: does it leave us we shuttle lock or core lock? AKTATTER: SO WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON PULLING THE SHUTTLE OR CORE THREAD AKTATTER: UP AT A 90 DEGREE ANGLE TOTHE WORK TattingBina: well when you look at ball and shuttle work it is the shuttle thread that is locked AKTATTER: AND USING THIS LOCK JOIN IS HARD TO UNDO TattingBina: working with two shuttles you could apply it to either shuttle OnlineHost: cfgtat has left the room. AKTATTER: SO BE SURE TO CHECK THE CORRECTNESS OF THE WORK BEFORE LOCKING THE JOIN IN PLACE AKTATTER: NOW THERE ARE METHODS OF MAKING THIS LOCK JOIN LOOK AKTATTER: LESS LIKEA JOIN IAMMandoLynn: How does one avoid making a slant in the work? TarStt: Ok I have a silly question. Are there more than one way to do a shuttle lock join? AKTATTER: AND MORE LIKE JUST ANOTHER DS IN THE WORK AKTATTER: AND THAT IS A SUBJECT FOR NEXT WEEK TattingBina: LOL get a porcupine quill G makes it really easy to pick a SLJ out AKTATTER: iamm PULL THE SHUTTLE STRAIGHT UP 90 DEGREE ANGLE AKTATTER: LOL RETRO TATTING IS BAD FOR YOUR THREAD TattingBina: Yes it depends on what side you want the stitch cap on AKTATTER: OK MORE QUESTIONS??? AfganMaker: no IAMMandoLynn: yes-this looks like an up join to me GAYL 101: how many more different joins are there? AKTATTER: THESE ARE BUT THE THREE MOST BASIC JOINS TattingBina: A shuttle lock join also enhances a defined dip in the chain AKTATTER: ON OUR LIST SO FAR WE HAVE 16 JOINS TattingBina: because it interupts the core GAYL 101: wow LoopyLacer: the boys just found ANOTHER black widow. had to go squirt it. eeeew! Qltnut: wow AKTATTER: YUCK AfganMaker: kill it dead TarStt: no AJtat: On down join, do you count join as first DS? AKTATTER: GEE, LILY IS IT REALY NICE TO KILL THE SYMBOL OF LACEMAKERS EVERYWHERE?? Qltnut: i didn't realize that and bet i don't have info on all of them! AKTATTER: LOL GAYL 101: <--afraid of spidars AKTATTER: JOIN IS ONLY A SPACE AKTATTER: SOME TATERS LIKE TO DO THE HS AFTER IT AKTATTER: I DO ONLY A FULL DS AfganMaker: only good spider is a dead spider AJtat: So you would pick up with first DS AKTATTER: THAT DS WHICH MAKES THE PICOT TattingBina: Ummm G that would not be the case with a tied DS or the LHPJ AKTATTER: IS THE FIRST DS OF THE NEXT SET OF DS TattingBina: the join is counted in the stitch count nlibin: me too, the complete ds after join LoopyLacer: we have an infestation in our garage, too. AKTATTER: DEAD SPIDER TECHNIQUE ID USED IN SPLIT RING TATTING BTW LoopyLacer: putting off bombs tomorrow while the boys are in school. MRust79224: getting confused--do I count the join as a stitch or not?? AKTATTER: WELL THAT IS GOOD THAT THOSE TWO JOINS ARE ON OUR LIST TO STUDY SO WE CAN LEARN THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE TOO AKTATTER: FOR BASIC TATTING AKTATTER: THE JOIN IS A SPACE AfganMaker: got to go ladies, have a great evening. Good class G TattingBina: nite Cher thanks for coming GAYL 101: bye LoopyLacer: ROFL -- leave it to AK to get us back on topic! Dead spider hold -- I'll never make an SR again without giggling about this discussion. hehe AfganMaker: DH needs the phone AKTATTER: THIS OTHER SITUATIONS ARE FOR MORE ADVNACED JOINING OnlineHost: AfganMaker has left the room. nlibin: yes, the join IS a space AKTATTER: LOL I LIKE THE DEAD SPIDER THING IT IS BETTER THAT THAN DEATH GRIP NEEDED FOR CLUNY LoopyLacer: true AKTATTER: OK mrUST? nlibin: we do make a complete ds after a picot, don't we? MRust79224: yes thanks AKTATTER: OK LAST CALL FOR QUESTIONS FOR TONIGHT?? TarStt: no questions here. Qltnut: where do we find the log? AKTATTER: IT WILL BE POSTED IN A FEW MINUTES Qltnut: where? AKTATTER: IT IS A LINK RIGHT ON THE CLASS 2004 LESSON INDEX PAGE AKTATTER: IT FOLLOWS THE LESSON LINK Qltnut: ok AKTATTER: THANK YOU AL LFOR STOPPING BY TONIGHT AKTATTER: THIS WAS GREAT FUN GAYL 101: thank you AKTATTER: PLEASE SEND ANY SUGGESTIONS OR HOMEWORK IN nlibin: thanks, Georgia, and everyone AJtat: Thanks for help with the basics. AKTATTER: GLAD YOU MADE IT NINA TarStt: Thanks G. Great class. MRust79224: thanks!!!! really enjoyed it!!! IAMMandoLynn: Thanks AKTATTER: PATTIE HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE VISIT nlibin: see you tomorrow and will try to be on time MousemicW: ty ak see you romarrow night OnlineHost: TarStt has left the room. AKTATTER: AJ GOOD TO SEE YOU ByHisWord2: bye ty PAntecki: Thank you for the wonderful lesson Georgia OnlineHost: ByHisWord2 has left the room. Qltnut: thanks for a great class LoopyLacer: g'nite all. gotta go, too. making invitations for ds's bday AJtat: And you too. AKTATTER: THIS LESSON REPEATS SAME TIME MONDAY NIGHT IN THE INTERNATIONAL ROOM MRust79224: bye all--have to take the dog out LoopyLacer: 80 of 'em! ugh! OnlineHost: MousemicW has left the room. AKTATTER: THANKS ALL GOOD NIGHT AND HAPPY TATTING jeanies202: Thanks.